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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet ( talk · contribs) 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
My main query here is context. The article states that Aiza is a member of the peasant movement, who joined peasant unions, etc -- which is surprising to read if you associate the term with the medieval era! Peasant movement at no point mentions Bolivia, though poking around related articles ( United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Peasants) makes it somewhat clearer that this is a concept in Bolivian politics. We don't seem to have any articles on the use of the term in Bolivia/why a local term(?) is translated that way in English. It seems worthwhile to give some context about the movement that defined Aiza's political career.
- The association of "peasant" with the medieval period is a largely first world notion; many less developed nations retained large peasantries into the late 20th century. The more direct term in Spanish here is "campesino", which – roughly translated – correlates most closely with the term "peasant". I've found that English Wikipedia tends to pipe towards " tenant farmer", which I find is a less ideal comparison. In newer articles, when using the term "peasant", I've begun piping towards the section in the article that actually explains the term. I've done that here, also.
Additional notes:
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MOS:NUMERAL on
orphaned at the age of 8
- The relevant section under MOS:NUMERAL ( MOS:FIGURE) tells me that spelled or numerated is acceptable so long as its consistent. Following most style guidelines, I prefer to use numerals for ages, dates and times, and currency sums. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Is there more detail about what her parents died of and when (I'm assuming they didn't both die when she was eight?)
- The cited source doesn't give much; translated:
I remember that I was 8 years old the moment my mom and dad died. The two of them left us almost at the same time, when we were little.
As it does say almost, I went ahead and switched out "at" for "by", making "by the age of 8". Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- The cited source doesn't give much; translated:
- Just to clarify, it's primary school/equivalent that she dropped out of?
- Unspecified. Source just states:
She was orphaned at a young age and dropped out of "school".
- Unspecified. Source just states:
In 2009, Aiza was nominated for reelection as a full member of the Chamber of Deputies, a selection almost unheard of within the MAS, which had opted to near-entirely renew its parliamentary lists that cycle
is a confusing sentence.- Agreed. Revised into two sentences. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
comments she made regarding potential increases in the price of gas
-- positive, negative, speculative?- Changed to "announcement", which the source backs. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
In addition to public service, Aiza's decade-long political career provided opportunities for her to complete the education she was forced to abandon in her youth
-- is there detail on how she went about doing that? (It's interesting that someone whose educational opportunities were so limited ascended to those positions in the first place, and if there's more detail on this that would be worthwhile too.)- I may not understand he question. The rest of the paragraph goes into the courses and training she attended. I've clarified that she received a baccalaureate degree from secondary-equivalent school in 2013. In general, her ascendance to high positions despite comparatively low educational attainment is not entirely unique: the MAS's practice of allowing labor unions to select candidates means that organization seniority is generally prioritized over academic background. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Vaticidal prophet 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the edits -- the article is looking pretty good. With regards to the "peasant" piped link, it may still be worth adding some of the context in that link to the article proper, as relatively few readers follow links according to WMF data. It also might be worth adding said context that it's common for people with little scholarly background to ascend to higher political positions in the party, but this is more borderline. Also, while I understand sources may be limited here, is there any context on her personal life post-childhood or on what she's done since leaving politics?
Vaticidal
prophet 03:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Speaking of personal life and post-parliamentary activities, I'm afraid there's just not much out there. Bolivian parliamentarians don't generally retain a high profile after leaving office and even their deaths often go unreported. In terms of more context on the peasant framing: could you elaborate a bit more on what you're looking to have included?
Krisgabwoosh (
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- Sorry for the late reply -- I was looking through the sources that the article uses (and checking just in case there weren't any else), while working on the drive. I was trying to see if there was a good way to elaborate on the implications of 'peasant' in Bolivia to an Anglophone audience, but I get that might be difficult, so I'm willing to pass the article here. Vaticidal prophet 11:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Speaking of personal life and post-parliamentary activities, I'm afraid there's just not much out there. Bolivian parliamentarians don't generally retain a high profile after leaving office and even their deaths often go unreported. In terms of more context on the peasant framing: could you elaborate a bit more on what you're looking to have included?
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 07:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet ( talk · contribs) 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
My main query here is context. The article states that Aiza is a member of the peasant movement, who joined peasant unions, etc -- which is surprising to read if you associate the term with the medieval era! Peasant movement at no point mentions Bolivia, though poking around related articles ( United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Peasants) makes it somewhat clearer that this is a concept in Bolivian politics. We don't seem to have any articles on the use of the term in Bolivia/why a local term(?) is translated that way in English. It seems worthwhile to give some context about the movement that defined Aiza's political career.
- The association of "peasant" with the medieval period is a largely first world notion; many less developed nations retained large peasantries into the late 20th century. The more direct term in Spanish here is "campesino", which – roughly translated – correlates most closely with the term "peasant". I've found that English Wikipedia tends to pipe towards " tenant farmer", which I find is a less ideal comparison. In newer articles, when using the term "peasant", I've begun piping towards the section in the article that actually explains the term. I've done that here, also.
Additional notes:
-
MOS:NUMERAL on
orphaned at the age of 8
- The relevant section under MOS:NUMERAL ( MOS:FIGURE) tells me that spelled or numerated is acceptable so long as its consistent. Following most style guidelines, I prefer to use numerals for ages, dates and times, and currency sums. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Is there more detail about what her parents died of and when (I'm assuming they didn't both die when she was eight?)
- The cited source doesn't give much; translated:
I remember that I was 8 years old the moment my mom and dad died. The two of them left us almost at the same time, when we were little.
As it does say almost, I went ahead and switched out "at" for "by", making "by the age of 8". Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- The cited source doesn't give much; translated:
- Just to clarify, it's primary school/equivalent that she dropped out of?
- Unspecified. Source just states:
She was orphaned at a young age and dropped out of "school".
- Unspecified. Source just states:
In 2009, Aiza was nominated for reelection as a full member of the Chamber of Deputies, a selection almost unheard of within the MAS, which had opted to near-entirely renew its parliamentary lists that cycle
is a confusing sentence.- Agreed. Revised into two sentences. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
comments she made regarding potential increases in the price of gas
-- positive, negative, speculative?- Changed to "announcement", which the source backs. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
In addition to public service, Aiza's decade-long political career provided opportunities for her to complete the education she was forced to abandon in her youth
-- is there detail on how she went about doing that? (It's interesting that someone whose educational opportunities were so limited ascended to those positions in the first place, and if there's more detail on this that would be worthwhile too.)- I may not understand he question. The rest of the paragraph goes into the courses and training she attended. I've clarified that she received a baccalaureate degree from secondary-equivalent school in 2013. In general, her ascendance to high positions despite comparatively low educational attainment is not entirely unique: the MAS's practice of allowing labor unions to select candidates means that organization seniority is generally prioritized over academic background. Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 06:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Vaticidal prophet 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the edits -- the article is looking pretty good. With regards to the "peasant" piped link, it may still be worth adding some of the context in that link to the article proper, as relatively few readers follow links according to WMF data. It also might be worth adding said context that it's common for people with little scholarly background to ascend to higher political positions in the party, but this is more borderline. Also, while I understand sources may be limited here, is there any context on her personal life post-childhood or on what she's done since leaving politics?
Vaticidal
prophet 03:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Speaking of personal life and post-parliamentary activities, I'm afraid there's just not much out there. Bolivian parliamentarians don't generally retain a high profile after leaving office and even their deaths often go unreported. In terms of more context on the peasant framing: could you elaborate a bit more on what you're looking to have included?
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 07:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late reply -- I was looking through the sources that the article uses (and checking just in case there weren't any else), while working on the drive. I was trying to see if there was a good way to elaborate on the implications of 'peasant' in Bolivia to an Anglophone audience, but I get that might be difficult, so I'm willing to pass the article here. Vaticidal prophet 11:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Speaking of personal life and post-parliamentary activities, I'm afraid there's just not much out there. Bolivian parliamentarians don't generally retain a high profile after leaving office and even their deaths often go unreported. In terms of more context on the peasant framing: could you elaborate a bit more on what you're looking to have included?
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 07:39, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.