Elmer Gedeon has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
The 'Harry O'Neill' link goes not to the MLB player, but to a 'One Life To Live' character page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.52.141 ( talk) 16:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
This article says that Elmer's uncle Joe was implicated in the Black Sox scandel. The Joe Gedeon article doesn't say anything about playing for the White Sox, reads that Elmer was his son, and reads that Elmer was one of four Major League Baseball players killed in combat. This article says two were killed in combat. Clearly these inaccuracies need to be worked out. -- Daysleeper47 17:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
{{persondata|PLEASE SEE [[WP:PDATA]]!}}
along with the required parameters to the article - see
Wikipedia:Persondata for more information.
[?]You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 15:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, nice article, not bad at all but needs a little bit of work before it is ready.
This article should probably have been nominated for the sports section, as that is what he is notable for, and I am not sure if this article satisfys the sports bio requirements. I will have to reassess it once the above information is dealt with and will then let you know the final desicion. For now the article is on hold.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 04:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Great, the article is much easier on the eye. I will now conduct a second review, note any further changes needed and extend the hold period another seven days. Apologies for this two-stage review but I was a little unfamiliar with the sporting format and wanted to the see the article more cohesive before giving it a more thorough GA review.
Elmer John Gedeon (April 15, 1917 - April 20, 1944) is best remembered as one of only two Major League Baseball players killed in action during World War II. He was a professional baseball player who had been a multisport star in college at the University of Michigan. He had also flown several missions in the European Theater of Operations as an officer of the United States Army Air Force before his final, fatal mission.
Thats it. A very nice and solid article and these fixes are minor and shouldn't take long. I will be happy to pass this for GA when they are addressed. Well done to all concerned. When it is passed, what do the contributors think about placement - military or sports?-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 02:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
In life he is notable as a baseball player. I.E., he would be eligible for a WP article as a former professional baseball player. The page would withstand any WP:AFD challenge. His military service during his life would not. In death, he is notable as a military officer who died as a former major league baseball player. I think if I were to look at a priority scale for which I have added tags and say which should have the highest priority rating it would be MILHIST. He is an important footnote for each of the projects, but he is most important for his contribution to military history. Thus, I think he should be included in the military section.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 22:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Fine, the jersey thing makes more sense now you've explained it. I'll also go with your opinion on military history as the place for this to go (and I was never worried about Afd, this is clearly notable). The article is vastly improved since my first review and is now a very fine GA (I made a slight edit to the lead). Well done to all involved.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 00:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I am just doing some minor copy edit. I hope folks don't mind. Nice work so far! Cheers, -- Tom 17:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Elmer Gedeon. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 11:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Elmer Gedeon. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 17:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
As asked, I am explaining the reason behind my content removal from the section titles "Growing up in Cleveland."
I removed the last few sentences, which read "Gedeon's surname was common in Cleveland, because many people from Sudetenland, where it was common, settled in Cleveland.[6] The phonebook listed numerous Gedeons for biographical research. One finding was that Gedeon's widow, who was named Laura, later moved to Florida.[6] Another was that his third cousin Charlotte Gedeon said Elmer carried her grandmother's casket during a funeral.[6]" My reason for removing this was that I felt this info was at best tangentially related to Elmer Gedeon's life and career. A baseball fan researching Gedeon cares little about the commonality of his last name, or about his third cousin. Were these sentences better weaved in to the rest of the section, I may have felt differently, but the content was also poorly written and seemed to stick out like a sore thumb against the rest of the article. The sentence "The phonebook listed numerous Gedeons for biographical research" is very vague. It seems almost like a meta-commentary on the research used to compile this article, which I feel is not appropriate for such a page. I see little use for having these findings about Gedeons in Cleveland on Elmer Gedeon's Wikipedia page, and I would be interested to hear someone's counter argument for undoing my content removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5krunguy ( talk • contribs) 16:36, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Elmer Gedeon has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
The 'Harry O'Neill' link goes not to the MLB player, but to a 'One Life To Live' character page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.52.141 ( talk) 16:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
This article says that Elmer's uncle Joe was implicated in the Black Sox scandel. The Joe Gedeon article doesn't say anything about playing for the White Sox, reads that Elmer was his son, and reads that Elmer was one of four Major League Baseball players killed in combat. This article says two were killed in combat. Clearly these inaccuracies need to be worked out. -- Daysleeper47 17:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
{{persondata|PLEASE SEE [[WP:PDATA]]!}}
along with the required parameters to the article - see
Wikipedia:Persondata for more information.
[?]You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 15:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, nice article, not bad at all but needs a little bit of work before it is ready.
This article should probably have been nominated for the sports section, as that is what he is notable for, and I am not sure if this article satisfys the sports bio requirements. I will have to reassess it once the above information is dealt with and will then let you know the final desicion. For now the article is on hold.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 04:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Great, the article is much easier on the eye. I will now conduct a second review, note any further changes needed and extend the hold period another seven days. Apologies for this two-stage review but I was a little unfamiliar with the sporting format and wanted to the see the article more cohesive before giving it a more thorough GA review.
Elmer John Gedeon (April 15, 1917 - April 20, 1944) is best remembered as one of only two Major League Baseball players killed in action during World War II. He was a professional baseball player who had been a multisport star in college at the University of Michigan. He had also flown several missions in the European Theater of Operations as an officer of the United States Army Air Force before his final, fatal mission.
Thats it. A very nice and solid article and these fixes are minor and shouldn't take long. I will be happy to pass this for GA when they are addressed. Well done to all concerned. When it is passed, what do the contributors think about placement - military or sports?-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 02:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
In life he is notable as a baseball player. I.E., he would be eligible for a WP article as a former professional baseball player. The page would withstand any WP:AFD challenge. His military service during his life would not. In death, he is notable as a military officer who died as a former major league baseball player. I think if I were to look at a priority scale for which I have added tags and say which should have the highest priority rating it would be MILHIST. He is an important footnote for each of the projects, but he is most important for his contribution to military history. Thus, I think he should be included in the military section.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTD) 22:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Fine, the jersey thing makes more sense now you've explained it. I'll also go with your opinion on military history as the place for this to go (and I was never worried about Afd, this is clearly notable). The article is vastly improved since my first review and is now a very fine GA (I made a slight edit to the lead). Well done to all involved.-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 00:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I am just doing some minor copy edit. I hope folks don't mind. Nice work so far! Cheers, -- Tom 17:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Elmer Gedeon. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 11:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Elmer Gedeon. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 17:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
As asked, I am explaining the reason behind my content removal from the section titles "Growing up in Cleveland."
I removed the last few sentences, which read "Gedeon's surname was common in Cleveland, because many people from Sudetenland, where it was common, settled in Cleveland.[6] The phonebook listed numerous Gedeons for biographical research. One finding was that Gedeon's widow, who was named Laura, later moved to Florida.[6] Another was that his third cousin Charlotte Gedeon said Elmer carried her grandmother's casket during a funeral.[6]" My reason for removing this was that I felt this info was at best tangentially related to Elmer Gedeon's life and career. A baseball fan researching Gedeon cares little about the commonality of his last name, or about his third cousin. Were these sentences better weaved in to the rest of the section, I may have felt differently, but the content was also poorly written and seemed to stick out like a sore thumb against the rest of the article. The sentence "The phonebook listed numerous Gedeons for biographical research" is very vague. It seems almost like a meta-commentary on the research used to compile this article, which I feel is not appropriate for such a page. I see little use for having these findings about Gedeons in Cleveland on Elmer Gedeon's Wikipedia page, and I would be interested to hear someone's counter argument for undoing my content removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5krunguy ( talk • contribs) 16:36, 22 February 2017 (UTC)