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How about changing "The Queen novels were the epitome of the classic "fair play" mystery" to "The Queen novels were the epitome of the classic whodunnit mystery"?
This article is in both
Category:Fictional writers and
Category:Pseudonyms, I feel this is misleading and redundant. Even if the pseudonym has a fictional backstory, it should be more than sufficient to put them in
Category:Pseudonyms, unless the name is also used for a character that acualy appear in a work of fiction and is also a writer, in wich case the double categorisation would be apropriate. Please post any comments to
Category talk:Fictional writers so we don't have to repeat ourselves over multiple article's talk pages (I will post this wherever I find such double categorised articles). --
Sherool 30 June 2005 14:18 (UTC)
His most famous works not listed. -- 60.48.39.254 11:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I've got the ball rolling with a couple of their works, plus some writing about them in the opening paragraph. They did dozens of anthologies – how about someone putting them in? I myself only have a couple of them at home... Hayford Peirce 01:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm holding a copy of Queen's Full right this second. Its earliest copyright is 1954. Where somebody came up with 1966 is beyond me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.129.10 ( talk) 00:56, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
The bibliography section has missed: http://www.goodreads.com/series/54741-ellery-queen-jr-mystery-stories ( Mark32 2000 ( talk) 15:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC))
"The fictional detective Ellery Queen is the author of the books in which he appears (The Finishing Stroke, 1958) and the editor of the magazine that bears his name (The Player On The Other Side, 1963)." Are you *sure* about this? That's not the way I remember it although my memory could, of course, be wrong. Where, for instance, in each of the books you cite, are there references to what you are asserting? Hayford Peirce 01:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
This is also where the fact that Ellery was married with a child was mentioned (as referenced in the article), which also suggested that the adventures were set in some time past when the books came out, prior to meeting and marrying his wife. I also think that this time disparity was part of the logic that Julian Symons used in arguing for two “Ellery Queens” as older and younger brother - the older having told his tales to the initials man, and the younger writing up his own cases, with himself as a character in them. 86.147.80.209 ( talk) 11:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Can someone offer a citation for the assertion that Ellery Queen's name was originally Bone? I've never heard of this. Also, I'm wondering why the piece of information is where it is in the article; it might more logically fit elsewhere. If the cite can be verified, I'll take this further. Accounting4Taste 00:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm new here, and if I've done this incorrectly, I apologize. My authority for the facts presented is that I actually have copies of these films, although I lazily verified the information using IMDB rather than calling up and freezing the appropriate screenshot. I'm going to provide further references for paperback novelizations of a few of the films as soon as I get my copy of Hubin back so that I can have an accurate bibliographic citation; they were not apparently written by the cousins. The Chabrol film is a fairly accurate adaptation of the novel, Ten Days' Wonder (starring Orson Welles and Tony Perkins), lacking only the Ellery Queen character; there is a paperback tie-in edition with photographs, so the link is assured. I'm not sure how much more information would be appropriate to add. I can certainly provide a list of the episodes of the Jim Hutton TV show. If a more experienced contributor feels I've gone too far already, a word to the wise will be sufficient. Accounting4Taste 01:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Although I actually tend to agree with the opinion presented about the clumsy and pretentious nature of the religious symbolism, it's both unreferenced and NPOV, as I understand it. I tried to find a citation in a number of reference sources but could not, and hope the person who wrote this will oblige. There are a number of NPOV problems -- for instance, calling the early books "mere" puzzles, unreferenced assertion about certain books being "classics", etc., and I would like to know which commentator's opinions these are, if they're not original research. Please note that I do not disagree with the bibliographic attributions for the ghosted books, and I'll be confirming them with a citation from Hubin shortly (when I dig out my copy from the basement). Accounting4Taste 03:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added the bibliographic material about the ghosted books with information from Hubin (Crime Fiction, 1749-1980: A Comprehensive Bibliography), which truly deserves the word "comprehensive" in its title. I've removed one attribution which is not supported by Hubin, but if a citation can be provided, I'd be delighted to restore it, since I think information like this is of interest to collectors. Accounting4Taste 00:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Also removed links for particular books which led nowhere... there seemed to be no rhyme or reason as to why particular books were selected, and nothing had been written about any of them. If someone wants to create pages and restore the links, perhaps something could be written about the books during that process. I'll try to do some of the more significant novels when I get time... Accounting4Taste 01:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The main article is getting overly long and something must be split out of it to its own page. I'm hereby asking for suggestions as to what that might be. I offer for consideration the idea of creating an article called something like Ellery Queen in other media and moving the material for television, radio and movies there (and also adding material about comics, which is missing). There's also the possibility of Ellery Queen books by other authors being a new page. Suggestions and comments are welcome. Accounting4Taste 19:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I left this comment on your user page, but it appears to have been an unintentional casualty of the activity there. [1] I assume this page is on your watchlist and since we're talking about the article may as well continue the conversation here. My remark on Levin:
My schedule has cleared up a bit, so – hoping that I don't step on the esteemed toes of Mr. JayHenry and that your request is still pending – here are some thoughts on the article as it currently exists.
First off, kudos on your obvious hard work – this is clearly an important topic, and the article is generally well-written. Now to specifics.
More to come! – Scartol • Tok 18:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
More to come! – Scartol • Tok 16:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's it. When you get the book(s) JH recommended, I expect many parts of this article can be expanded – I'd suggest more info about why the cousins stopped writing under the EQ name, and more info on their later lives (but see above for my question about the appropriateness of biographical info in this article).
Thanks for bringing me on and good luck with the FA process! – Scartol • Tok 18:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I seem to recall seeing or hearing or reading where Dannay & Lee actually wrote "The Roman Hat Mystery" for a writing compition. They won the compition but never got paid for some reason or another and ended up publishing it and creating a legend. Can anyone confirm or deny? This seems important enough to be included in the article. Hx823 ( talk) 22:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
competition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.116.213 ( talk) 00:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
This article includes far too many subjective statements. Even if subjective statements are cited, they must not be confused with objective fact, and deserve a place in the article only if they are noted as subjective opinions, and put into a broader context. Minaker ( talk) 01:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
If I'm right, 2 stories were adapted into the 1975 Tv series, not only the pilot. can someone confirm or deny me? B3430715 ( talk) 20:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Someone created a page for Kill as Directed and added that novel to the list of Ellery Queen novels. While it was one of many novels published under the name Ellery Queen, it does not seem to be any different from the others, does not seem to feature Ellery or his father, and I cannot find any source suggesting that it was really written by Dannay and Lee. My inclination is to remove it from the list of authentic Queen novels, but I would like to hear from anyone who has definitive information about this book. Rick Norwood ( talk) 23:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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How about changing "The Queen novels were the epitome of the classic "fair play" mystery" to "The Queen novels were the epitome of the classic whodunnit mystery"?
This article is in both
Category:Fictional writers and
Category:Pseudonyms, I feel this is misleading and redundant. Even if the pseudonym has a fictional backstory, it should be more than sufficient to put them in
Category:Pseudonyms, unless the name is also used for a character that acualy appear in a work of fiction and is also a writer, in wich case the double categorisation would be apropriate. Please post any comments to
Category talk:Fictional writers so we don't have to repeat ourselves over multiple article's talk pages (I will post this wherever I find such double categorised articles). --
Sherool 30 June 2005 14:18 (UTC)
His most famous works not listed. -- 60.48.39.254 11:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I've got the ball rolling with a couple of their works, plus some writing about them in the opening paragraph. They did dozens of anthologies – how about someone putting them in? I myself only have a couple of them at home... Hayford Peirce 01:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm holding a copy of Queen's Full right this second. Its earliest copyright is 1954. Where somebody came up with 1966 is beyond me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.129.10 ( talk) 00:56, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
The bibliography section has missed: http://www.goodreads.com/series/54741-ellery-queen-jr-mystery-stories ( Mark32 2000 ( talk) 15:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC))
"The fictional detective Ellery Queen is the author of the books in which he appears (The Finishing Stroke, 1958) and the editor of the magazine that bears his name (The Player On The Other Side, 1963)." Are you *sure* about this? That's not the way I remember it although my memory could, of course, be wrong. Where, for instance, in each of the books you cite, are there references to what you are asserting? Hayford Peirce 01:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
This is also where the fact that Ellery was married with a child was mentioned (as referenced in the article), which also suggested that the adventures were set in some time past when the books came out, prior to meeting and marrying his wife. I also think that this time disparity was part of the logic that Julian Symons used in arguing for two “Ellery Queens” as older and younger brother - the older having told his tales to the initials man, and the younger writing up his own cases, with himself as a character in them. 86.147.80.209 ( talk) 11:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Can someone offer a citation for the assertion that Ellery Queen's name was originally Bone? I've never heard of this. Also, I'm wondering why the piece of information is where it is in the article; it might more logically fit elsewhere. If the cite can be verified, I'll take this further. Accounting4Taste 00:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm new here, and if I've done this incorrectly, I apologize. My authority for the facts presented is that I actually have copies of these films, although I lazily verified the information using IMDB rather than calling up and freezing the appropriate screenshot. I'm going to provide further references for paperback novelizations of a few of the films as soon as I get my copy of Hubin back so that I can have an accurate bibliographic citation; they were not apparently written by the cousins. The Chabrol film is a fairly accurate adaptation of the novel, Ten Days' Wonder (starring Orson Welles and Tony Perkins), lacking only the Ellery Queen character; there is a paperback tie-in edition with photographs, so the link is assured. I'm not sure how much more information would be appropriate to add. I can certainly provide a list of the episodes of the Jim Hutton TV show. If a more experienced contributor feels I've gone too far already, a word to the wise will be sufficient. Accounting4Taste 01:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Although I actually tend to agree with the opinion presented about the clumsy and pretentious nature of the religious symbolism, it's both unreferenced and NPOV, as I understand it. I tried to find a citation in a number of reference sources but could not, and hope the person who wrote this will oblige. There are a number of NPOV problems -- for instance, calling the early books "mere" puzzles, unreferenced assertion about certain books being "classics", etc., and I would like to know which commentator's opinions these are, if they're not original research. Please note that I do not disagree with the bibliographic attributions for the ghosted books, and I'll be confirming them with a citation from Hubin shortly (when I dig out my copy from the basement). Accounting4Taste 03:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added the bibliographic material about the ghosted books with information from Hubin (Crime Fiction, 1749-1980: A Comprehensive Bibliography), which truly deserves the word "comprehensive" in its title. I've removed one attribution which is not supported by Hubin, but if a citation can be provided, I'd be delighted to restore it, since I think information like this is of interest to collectors. Accounting4Taste 00:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Also removed links for particular books which led nowhere... there seemed to be no rhyme or reason as to why particular books were selected, and nothing had been written about any of them. If someone wants to create pages and restore the links, perhaps something could be written about the books during that process. I'll try to do some of the more significant novels when I get time... Accounting4Taste 01:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
The main article is getting overly long and something must be split out of it to its own page. I'm hereby asking for suggestions as to what that might be. I offer for consideration the idea of creating an article called something like Ellery Queen in other media and moving the material for television, radio and movies there (and also adding material about comics, which is missing). There's also the possibility of Ellery Queen books by other authors being a new page. Suggestions and comments are welcome. Accounting4Taste 19:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I left this comment on your user page, but it appears to have been an unintentional casualty of the activity there. [1] I assume this page is on your watchlist and since we're talking about the article may as well continue the conversation here. My remark on Levin:
My schedule has cleared up a bit, so – hoping that I don't step on the esteemed toes of Mr. JayHenry and that your request is still pending – here are some thoughts on the article as it currently exists.
First off, kudos on your obvious hard work – this is clearly an important topic, and the article is generally well-written. Now to specifics.
More to come! – Scartol • Tok 18:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
More to come! – Scartol • Tok 16:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's it. When you get the book(s) JH recommended, I expect many parts of this article can be expanded – I'd suggest more info about why the cousins stopped writing under the EQ name, and more info on their later lives (but see above for my question about the appropriateness of biographical info in this article).
Thanks for bringing me on and good luck with the FA process! – Scartol • Tok 18:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I seem to recall seeing or hearing or reading where Dannay & Lee actually wrote "The Roman Hat Mystery" for a writing compition. They won the compition but never got paid for some reason or another and ended up publishing it and creating a legend. Can anyone confirm or deny? This seems important enough to be included in the article. Hx823 ( talk) 22:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
competition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.116.213 ( talk) 00:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
This article includes far too many subjective statements. Even if subjective statements are cited, they must not be confused with objective fact, and deserve a place in the article only if they are noted as subjective opinions, and put into a broader context. Minaker ( talk) 01:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
If I'm right, 2 stories were adapted into the 1975 Tv series, not only the pilot. can someone confirm or deny me? B3430715 ( talk) 20:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Someone created a page for Kill as Directed and added that novel to the list of Ellery Queen novels. While it was one of many novels published under the name Ellery Queen, it does not seem to be any different from the others, does not seem to feature Ellery or his father, and I cannot find any source suggesting that it was really written by Dannay and Lee. My inclination is to remove it from the list of authentic Queen novels, but I would like to hear from anyone who has definitive information about this book. Rick Norwood ( talk) 23:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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