Electronica is a non-existant genre invented by mainstream US media to describe what the world had already been calling 'dance music'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.224.10 ( talk) 22:32, 6 August 2008
THIS USER IS CORRECT, IT IS NOT A REAL GENRE. STOP BEING IDIOTS AND GET A LIFE.
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Could also just call it Electronic. The A mad discredits it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.220.65 ( talk) 10:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Why not redirect this to Electronic_Music since this is what most people are thinking of anyway? Move this existing content into a subsection of Electronic_Music dedicated to the debate over the differences between the two. Zerod000 02:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Electronica is all types of Electronic music that are not Electronic dance music.
I agree with the above statement. We need to acknowledge that "electronica" is a commonly used term, even though it is a marketed buzz word. For this reason its needs to have its own page so people who are not informed about the topic can learn about and what it refers to. I believe edits should be made to the page to reduce the amount of confusion associated with the it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N765 ( talk • contribs) 23:13, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
The articles should not be merged!Electronic music is, by its purest definition, music which relies solely upon electronic sound sources to produce music - this is why it should not be merged with electronica, as a large proportion of music which is classified as "electronica" does not comply with this definition. By all means have a link that says "see also: electronica" but it should not be included in the same article. A.F. London.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendant72 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 18 May 2007
I would vote Electronic Music merge with Electronica. I have always thought of Electronica as the overarching genre the holds all Electronic Music and sub-genres (Ambient, House, IDM...) as Rock might be the "over genre" thats hold everthing from Elvis Presley ( Rock and roll) to Through the Eyes of the Dead ( Deathcore). SelfStudyBuddy 05:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
NO CHANCE, ELETRONICA IS AN INDEPENDENT GENRE. YOU DONT GET ROCK, PUNK, EMO, HEAVY METAL ETC ETC ALL MERGED SO NO! THEY ARE ALL INDEPENDENT GENRE'S, ASWELL AS ELECTRONICA!!!
| TK | 88.109.117.135 20:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I vote strongly for a merge. Alexnye 07:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Electronica is not a genre; it is a misnomer. The term appears to have arisen in the nineties as a means of calling something techno without using the word techno, likely in an attempt to distance the newer electronic music from the geekier and more obscure techno scene. I believe that Ishkur put it best when he described the "genre":
Electronica does not exist. Not as a genre or a description. It was coined by the North American music press to refer to the second wave of electronic music's explosion in the late 90s, and exists purely as a marketing buzzword, not any actual quantifiable branch of music (the first wave of electronic music, incidentally, they called 'techno', and, having driven the word into the ground beyond all sense of meaning, they couldn't keep using it if they wished to re-market the music). Daft Punk, Fatboy Slim, Prodigy's 'Fat of the Land', Chemical Brothers and other big-time stars of that period were all called "electronica" at one point or another, but the person who really popularized it in the public consciousness was Madonna and her shallow, William Orbit-produced piss-poor attempt at appropriating trance music as something she invented (Ray of Light). She used that word all the damn time in interviews. God I hate her. So yeah: There is no such thing as electronica. I want each and every one of you to stop calling it that, because it makes you sound like a god damn retard. If you want to talk about the music as a whole, simply call it what it is: "electronic music" (or EDM--Electronic Dance Music--for the club/rave stuff). This is a PSA from the Official Electronic Music Genre Standards and Classifications Consortium. [1]
In summation, electronica is not a genre and wikipedia shouldn't be helping to perpetuate the misconception that it is. -- gwax UN ( say hi) 17:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. Honestly, Ishkur is among the few "reliable" sources on electronic music I've run into online, and he's pretty strongly opinionated of electronica being an invention of the media (esp. the rock music media to describe electronic music). I'm pretty surprised that this page has lasted this long. Although some music stores and such have a "electronica" section, I don't think I've ever seen both a "Electronic music" section and an "Electronica" music side-by-side. So sure, people may use the term electronica, but when they do, they are using it almost without synonymously with electronic music. I think a good example of the rock media doing this would be Pitchfork making statements like: "gabber is typically acclaimed as the 'metal' of electronica". Possible inaccuracies of the statement aside, he's clearly using electronica to describe electronic music from an observer's perspective. My 2c. michaelb Talk to this user 15:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
To be frank Electronica and Electronic dance music are pretty much teh exact same thing. The confusion is because different journalists and groups have taken different meanings for them both. Pretty much EDM article and electronica need a lot of work, they should be merged to one article. The main point is Electronica and EDM refer to the same artists and if people actually bothered to work on these articles then they would look pretty much like competing versions of the same thing. That's why they should definitely be one article together.
Electronic: Reference electrones energy and it use mod. Music and more... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.227.28.47 ( talk) 16:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
THEY SHOULDN'T ANYONE WITH THE LEAST BIT OF EDUCATION WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. go to www.beatport.com AND SEE SUBGENRES. you will find electronica. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
96.49.140.159 (
talk) 21:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Electronica had been developped with major songs, like "I Feel Love" by Donna Summer. I think some of these songs should be mentioned.
electronica vs. EDM is an ambiguous case, as has been mentioned earlier on the talk page. being an ambiguous topic, this means that the article on electronica will always have problems, but most importantly, merging this article will not remove these problems, and leaving it as is will also not. So the debate should not at all be centered around it's classification, and the "correct" definition of electronica, Instead, I beleive that the articles should not be merged, as it would create a large, cluttered article that still contains many errors, that will not be of relevance to wikipedians
Who added the links to their friends metalcore bands? Yes, "electronica" is influential...but these suburban bands are influences by crunk. Delete this crap for irrelevance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.52.45 ( talk) 02:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
A boisterous user with many sockpuppet accounts is adamant about getting rid of the Intelligent dance music (IDM) article and merging it into the electronica article, or just deleting it entirely because he doesn't like it (the genre name IDM). He has been banned from Wikipedia indefinitely for this and other disruptive edits. I'm sure it's OK to mention IDM and point to the main article from the electronica article, but there's zero consensus for merging or removing the IDM article itself. If he comes back and attempts to merge the articles again, please help out by immediately reverting the edit, and if it doesn't look like anyone noticed yet, use WP:AN/I to notify an administrator that he's back. Thanks. — mjb ( talk) 20:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
This entire article, (and many in the dance categories), is American-centric, and this needs to be said somewhere. InHaze ( talk) 09:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
From Ishkur's Guide
"Electronica does not exist. Not as a genre or a description. It was coined by the North American music press to refer to the second wave of electronic music's explosion in the late 90s, and exists purely as a marketing buzzword, not any actual quantifiable branch of music (the first wave of electronic music, incidentally, they called 'techno', and, having driven the word into the ground beyond all sense of meaning, they couldn't keep using it if they wished to re-market the music). Daft Punk, Fatboy Slim, Prodigy's 'Fat of the Land', Chemical Brothers and other big-time stars of that period were all called "electronica" at one point or another, but the person who really popularized it in the public consciousness was Madonna and her shallow, William Orbit-produced piss-poor attempt at appropriating trance music as something she invented (Ray of Light). She used that word all the damn time in interviews. God I hate her. So yeah: There is no such thing as electronica. I want each and every one of you to stop calling it that, because it makes you sound like a god damn retard. If you want to talk about the music as a whole, simply call it what it is: "electronic music" (or EDM--Electronic Dance Music--for the club/rave stuff). This is a PSA from the Official Electronic Music Genre Standards and Classifications Consortium."
-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.85.222 ( talk) 14:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
"Electronica is a music genre composed within a wide range of contemporary electronic music designed for a wide range of uses..."
a bit ambiguous? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.225.200.133 ( talk) 19:07, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Electronica is a non-existant genre invented by mainstream US media to describe what the world had already been calling 'dance music'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.224.10 ( talk) 22:32, 6 August 2008
THIS USER IS CORRECT, IT IS NOT A REAL GENRE. STOP BEING IDIOTS AND GET A LIFE.
'
Could also just call it Electronic. The A mad discredits it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.220.65 ( talk) 10:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Why not redirect this to Electronic_Music since this is what most people are thinking of anyway? Move this existing content into a subsection of Electronic_Music dedicated to the debate over the differences between the two. Zerod000 02:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Electronica is all types of Electronic music that are not Electronic dance music.
I agree with the above statement. We need to acknowledge that "electronica" is a commonly used term, even though it is a marketed buzz word. For this reason its needs to have its own page so people who are not informed about the topic can learn about and what it refers to. I believe edits should be made to the page to reduce the amount of confusion associated with the it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N765 ( talk • contribs) 23:13, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
The articles should not be merged!Electronic music is, by its purest definition, music which relies solely upon electronic sound sources to produce music - this is why it should not be merged with electronica, as a large proportion of music which is classified as "electronica" does not comply with this definition. By all means have a link that says "see also: electronica" but it should not be included in the same article. A.F. London.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendant72 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 18 May 2007
I would vote Electronic Music merge with Electronica. I have always thought of Electronica as the overarching genre the holds all Electronic Music and sub-genres (Ambient, House, IDM...) as Rock might be the "over genre" thats hold everthing from Elvis Presley ( Rock and roll) to Through the Eyes of the Dead ( Deathcore). SelfStudyBuddy 05:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
NO CHANCE, ELETRONICA IS AN INDEPENDENT GENRE. YOU DONT GET ROCK, PUNK, EMO, HEAVY METAL ETC ETC ALL MERGED SO NO! THEY ARE ALL INDEPENDENT GENRE'S, ASWELL AS ELECTRONICA!!!
| TK | 88.109.117.135 20:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I vote strongly for a merge. Alexnye 07:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Electronica is not a genre; it is a misnomer. The term appears to have arisen in the nineties as a means of calling something techno without using the word techno, likely in an attempt to distance the newer electronic music from the geekier and more obscure techno scene. I believe that Ishkur put it best when he described the "genre":
Electronica does not exist. Not as a genre or a description. It was coined by the North American music press to refer to the second wave of electronic music's explosion in the late 90s, and exists purely as a marketing buzzword, not any actual quantifiable branch of music (the first wave of electronic music, incidentally, they called 'techno', and, having driven the word into the ground beyond all sense of meaning, they couldn't keep using it if they wished to re-market the music). Daft Punk, Fatboy Slim, Prodigy's 'Fat of the Land', Chemical Brothers and other big-time stars of that period were all called "electronica" at one point or another, but the person who really popularized it in the public consciousness was Madonna and her shallow, William Orbit-produced piss-poor attempt at appropriating trance music as something she invented (Ray of Light). She used that word all the damn time in interviews. God I hate her. So yeah: There is no such thing as electronica. I want each and every one of you to stop calling it that, because it makes you sound like a god damn retard. If you want to talk about the music as a whole, simply call it what it is: "electronic music" (or EDM--Electronic Dance Music--for the club/rave stuff). This is a PSA from the Official Electronic Music Genre Standards and Classifications Consortium. [1]
In summation, electronica is not a genre and wikipedia shouldn't be helping to perpetuate the misconception that it is. -- gwax UN ( say hi) 17:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. Honestly, Ishkur is among the few "reliable" sources on electronic music I've run into online, and he's pretty strongly opinionated of electronica being an invention of the media (esp. the rock music media to describe electronic music). I'm pretty surprised that this page has lasted this long. Although some music stores and such have a "electronica" section, I don't think I've ever seen both a "Electronic music" section and an "Electronica" music side-by-side. So sure, people may use the term electronica, but when they do, they are using it almost without synonymously with electronic music. I think a good example of the rock media doing this would be Pitchfork making statements like: "gabber is typically acclaimed as the 'metal' of electronica". Possible inaccuracies of the statement aside, he's clearly using electronica to describe electronic music from an observer's perspective. My 2c. michaelb Talk to this user 15:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
To be frank Electronica and Electronic dance music are pretty much teh exact same thing. The confusion is because different journalists and groups have taken different meanings for them both. Pretty much EDM article and electronica need a lot of work, they should be merged to one article. The main point is Electronica and EDM refer to the same artists and if people actually bothered to work on these articles then they would look pretty much like competing versions of the same thing. That's why they should definitely be one article together.
Electronic: Reference electrones energy and it use mod. Music and more... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.227.28.47 ( talk) 16:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
THEY SHOULDN'T ANYONE WITH THE LEAST BIT OF EDUCATION WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. go to www.beatport.com AND SEE SUBGENRES. you will find electronica. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
96.49.140.159 (
talk) 21:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Electronica had been developped with major songs, like "I Feel Love" by Donna Summer. I think some of these songs should be mentioned.
electronica vs. EDM is an ambiguous case, as has been mentioned earlier on the talk page. being an ambiguous topic, this means that the article on electronica will always have problems, but most importantly, merging this article will not remove these problems, and leaving it as is will also not. So the debate should not at all be centered around it's classification, and the "correct" definition of electronica, Instead, I beleive that the articles should not be merged, as it would create a large, cluttered article that still contains many errors, that will not be of relevance to wikipedians
Who added the links to their friends metalcore bands? Yes, "electronica" is influential...but these suburban bands are influences by crunk. Delete this crap for irrelevance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.52.45 ( talk) 02:59, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
A boisterous user with many sockpuppet accounts is adamant about getting rid of the Intelligent dance music (IDM) article and merging it into the electronica article, or just deleting it entirely because he doesn't like it (the genre name IDM). He has been banned from Wikipedia indefinitely for this and other disruptive edits. I'm sure it's OK to mention IDM and point to the main article from the electronica article, but there's zero consensus for merging or removing the IDM article itself. If he comes back and attempts to merge the articles again, please help out by immediately reverting the edit, and if it doesn't look like anyone noticed yet, use WP:AN/I to notify an administrator that he's back. Thanks. — mjb ( talk) 20:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
This entire article, (and many in the dance categories), is American-centric, and this needs to be said somewhere. InHaze ( talk) 09:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
From Ishkur's Guide
"Electronica does not exist. Not as a genre or a description. It was coined by the North American music press to refer to the second wave of electronic music's explosion in the late 90s, and exists purely as a marketing buzzword, not any actual quantifiable branch of music (the first wave of electronic music, incidentally, they called 'techno', and, having driven the word into the ground beyond all sense of meaning, they couldn't keep using it if they wished to re-market the music). Daft Punk, Fatboy Slim, Prodigy's 'Fat of the Land', Chemical Brothers and other big-time stars of that period were all called "electronica" at one point or another, but the person who really popularized it in the public consciousness was Madonna and her shallow, William Orbit-produced piss-poor attempt at appropriating trance music as something she invented (Ray of Light). She used that word all the damn time in interviews. God I hate her. So yeah: There is no such thing as electronica. I want each and every one of you to stop calling it that, because it makes you sound like a god damn retard. If you want to talk about the music as a whole, simply call it what it is: "electronic music" (or EDM--Electronic Dance Music--for the club/rave stuff). This is a PSA from the Official Electronic Music Genre Standards and Classifications Consortium."
-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.85.222 ( talk) 14:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
"Electronica is a music genre composed within a wide range of contemporary electronic music designed for a wide range of uses..."
a bit ambiguous? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.225.200.133 ( talk) 19:07, 6 August 2013 (UTC)