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I've put the images that were deleted back in; what was wrong with them?
And for a Spanish hero, why is a statue in California better than the one in Burgos?
Swanny18 (
talk) 12:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The three images that were on this page up until May were deleted without explanation. The eclipse picture is impressive, but, as said above, I don't see that a statue of a Spanish hero in America should take precedence over one in Spain, so I've put it back. However the San Francisco picture is better than the San Diego one, so I've swapped them. And the line drawing has some provenance, so I've replaced that as well. Swanny18 ( talk) 22:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
So, please, stop being silly about this. If you keep insisting on pushing that picture back to the top, it's just going to end up being deleted from the page altogether. This is an damned encyclopedia article, not a weblog. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 06:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
The current lead illustration seems fine to me. The previous one, the silhouette against the solar corona, is very artistically effective but of less use as a part of an encyclopedia article. Let us leave things as they now are. Incidentally, facing in or out is of no consequence whatsoever. -- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 12:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I’ve put the original lead picture back in; if we are going to have an edit scuffle on the subject, we should start with the status quo, shouldn’t we?
So we seem to have 3 candidates now for the lead picture:
And we all seem to like something different.
So can we come to some agreement on this, or failing that ask for a neutral opinion? Swanny18 ( talk) 13:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
So, do we vote here?
This really is a matter of subjective judgement, is it not, and I should apologise for putting my oar in twice. But I really do think that picture number one, above, particularly in its cropped form (below), conveys a dynamic impression of The Cid which is in keeping with the tone of the article. The corona picture, while ideal for winning photo competitions, does not convey the essence of the person within the article. But this is only my opinion. -- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 20:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
4 5 Added 09.09, 18 June 2009 by Ed Fitzgerald : Labelled by Swanny18 ( talk) 03:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
See John Calvin ( talk) and Joseph Priestley ( talk). It proves I'm not the only one who understand how images should be used. Srnec ( talk) 00:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Does this article really need to have two pictures of the statue in Burgos? Ekwos ( talk) 22:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Editors srnec and ekwos both wish to have the lead image changed, as they dislike the current image. As the discussion has been smouldering on for about 2 months now, (See here here, here, here and here) and neither have made a concrete proposal, preferring bold edits, I am posting their offerings to date and inviting comment. Does the lead image need changing? And if so, to what? Swanny18 ( talk) 21:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The current one is just ghastly. Anything would be an improvement over that. I personally have no preference as to whether artists interpretations or historic artifacts would be better placed in the lead in this case, but at least a better photo! The current one doesn't even well illustrate the statue as it's so dark, and the statue itself has been half cropped out (the pedestal is certainly part of the work) and takes up such a small section compared to the sky. -- Falcorian (talk) 23:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, given the agreement about the current picture, I went ahead and repeated the same minimal change (to the better Burgos picture with the pedestal included) that I had done before. We can go ahead and discuss what we think is an even better solution.
If people like statues the close up of the Balboa one is better because it focusses on the man more. Otherwise I like either of the two texts (which are actually artifacts as most of what we know about the man come from them). Ekwos ( talk) 23:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
This is the subject of a 2 month dispute, which is no nearer a conclusion.
Does the lead image of this article need changing, and if so, to what?
Swanny18 (
talk) 20:17, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I find the current lead image [uncropped Burgos' statue] good enough, at least compared to the other alternatives previously mentioned. This doesn't mean I rule out the possibility that someone else could come up with a better one though. In any case, the corona one has no pedagogical value whatsoever; the mentioned criteria for its support are irrelevant for a biographical article on a lead figure in the medieval history of Spain; being a relevant figure in Spain's history adds support to the thesis that the Burgos one be preferred. The current lead picture could, however, be supported by any of the proposed close-up pictures; and the Balboa one might also have a place in the article: it isn't obvious that such a statue may be found outside Spain.
Polnasam (
talk) 23:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I think I have made my position clear above. I don't mind the statue, but the former lead ( File:Spain Burgos statue the Cid.jpg) is not a great image, and further doesn't even well illustrate the statue. -- Falcorian (talk) 20:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The current photo looks decent enough. I am sure it is possible to do better, but I did not like any of the other suggestions better than the current lead. and BTW I agree with Falcorian that the former lead is a poor image that fails to really focus on the statue. Richard ( talk) 04:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
why is the pic on the right? the infobox on the left is terrible placement, too. of all the pics on the talk page i think the closeup of the statue's face is best for the lead. this photo is nice, and should be in the article, but for people we normally have an iconic painting or statue with facial features in view in the lead. (see
Jesus or
Nero)
untwirl(
talk) 16:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
The previous inconsistency has been fixed. Actual text: A weapon traditionally identified as El Cid's sword, Tizona, used to be displayed in the Army Museum (Museo del Ejército) in Toledo[...] In 2007 the Autonomous Community of Castile and León bought the sword for 1.6 million Euros, and it is currently on display at the Museum of Burgos. So, I'll proceed to edit the to-be-done list to reflect this.-- Infinauta ( talk) 16:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that El Cid died from an arrow in the heart. I've never read that anywhere but in the article. As far as I know he died of natural causes. Is this folk history/the movie creeping in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablo668 ( talk • contribs) 05:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I think the style of the wikipedia is name the articles with the name of the person (Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar) and redirect the nickname (El Cid). I.e. the spanish wikipedia http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_D%C3%ADaz_de_Vivar I propose a change in the name of the article to Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar, and a later redirect from El Cid to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseja2010 ( talk • contribs) 23:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
In Don Quixote El Cid is mentioned as "Ruy Diaz". Is this notable enough for a redirect page? 78.86.61.94 ( talk) 05:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, there's a statue of El Cid outside the Legion of Honor in San Francisco that has his birth date as 1040, contradicting the article's assertion of 1043. Wandering the net, there are birth years ranging from 1040 to 1045[ 1 2 3], as well as a few articles[ 4] that claim the birth date is disputed but somewhere in that range. To avert poor souls like myself from the urge to "correct" the article when confronted by something as authoritative as a statue outside a museum, would it be reasonable to put some indication of the range in the heading of the article? I imagine either adding a question mark (1043?) or a range (1040-1044) and a single sentence indicating the confusion would do it for me. Thoughts? (This was brought up in the archived talk page as well but never resolved.) Maplebed ( talk) 22:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
This article could do with a section on references to El Cid in European literature. -- Martin Wyatt ( talk) 18:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
··· Vanischenu 「m/ Talk」 10:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC), slightly modified on 21:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
According to this El País article (in Spanish), the statue on the top of this WP article (wich is not the original) has several copies. Depending on sources, the original was the one in Sevilla (according to El País and this source) or the one of the Hispanic Society in New York (according to this), with the others (San Francisco, San Diego and Buenos Aires) being copies made by Huntington. Also, Spanish sculptor Juan de Avalos made another copy for Valencia.
Regards, -- HCPUNXKID ( talk) 16:44, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Why was he a Spanish hero if he fought for the muslims at one point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.167.234 ( talk) 18:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I admire your erudition, Menah! I didn't know that, and it makes sense. But let me submit to you, that above all, there is the great poem that some fine artist composed, a la Homer, from the vigorous ballads he heard in the streets. Imagine King Henry V without Shakespeare's play about him. Can't be done. It's really a literary character, El Cid, who became Spain's national hero. Wouldn't you agree? In the poem, he is not only the perfect warrior, he is the perfect husband, perfect father, perfect lord, who showers his legal fifth of all booty on all who fight for him, down to the lowest, and at least once, onto previously conquered Moors. He tricks Jewish bankers into loaning him seed money for his first battle in exile-- and at the end of the poem, paramount leader after the King, he repays even them. (Now there's a first for the Middle Ages.) And he's even an ardent monarchist, though his loyalty to the greedy Alfonso is subtly used to make Alfonso look even smaller. The poem is meritocracy for a warrior society. The two villains, the Infantes, are aristocrats who despise the Cid's origins in the minor nobility, and prate endlessly about their birth, though they actually soil their pants when the Cid's pet lion gets out of his cage. They flee any Moor who charges at them and revenge themselves not on a man, but on his wife and daughters, shamefully. It's just good poetry, too, much of it. Read the poem in Old Spanish to hear the many fine sections which have the surging quality of The Charge of the Light Brigade. In short, with such a poem behind him, the historical Cid was elevated to national hero. "Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of mankind." Profhum ( talk) 18:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
According to Age of Empires 2 The Conquerors expansion he died of an arrow shot while mounting a counter attack against the Moors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.7.76 ( talk) 18:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
After being exiled El Cid entered the service of the Moorish, Taifa of Zaragoza this part of history should not be erased along with the fact that he was a leader of a multicultural army under the Moors. 182.182.106.117 ( talk) 16:04, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
There are a lot of theses debating the true meaning of "Campeador" as it appears to be a word created to describe him. This discussion can be found in this other wikipedia article https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campeador_(lexicograf%C3%ADa). Champion in spanish would be "Campeón", its close, but apparently there has not been found any direct meaning or true origin to this word.
How come there is not a word here about Pierre Corneille's play Le Cid, which is one of the most famous French classical plays?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Cid_%28Corneille%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.44.138.194 ( talk) 07:07, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Dude. Tryna work out if this article match Age of Empires 2. Nobody got time track down every little thing about the man. Profhum ( talk) 17:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Now it is expanded upon later in the article but in the beginning his translated title is capitalized. Including the word "lord" The capitalization of this word is confusing due to it referring to God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.22.132.74 ( talk) 19:46, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I have added a short section on the literary and musical works that have been inspired on the life of El Cid, since it seemed absurd that the article referenced some Video Games, but not important works of art such as El Cantar de Mio Cid or Corneille´s Le Cid. 19:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.0.53.142 ( talk)
In Spanish the term used is "destierro," which I've frequently seen more translated as banishment. In fact, with U.S. states, where banishment is still a possible penalty, this penalty is called banishment. Banishment is also the penalty used on Romeo in Romeo and Juliet; so, I wonder if we should opt for banishment in place of exile. Just some thoughts. Does anyone have similar examples for exile? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrancoMacV ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
It seems that there is no continuity in the use of Rodrigo or El Cid in the lead section. It seems clumsy? -- Kevin Murray ( talk) 20:51, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
"The terms for the return to the Christian service must have been attractive enough since Rodrigo soon found himself fighting for his former Lord." This sounds funny and doesn't elaborate with any facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC51:2B60:B952:8460:7878:9BDB ( talk) 20:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
The article neglects to mention El Cid being German. Should be important. 79.106.209.159 ( talk) 10:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
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I found numerous mentions of the phrase "confirmed a document" or variations thereof in connection to activity in the royal Court in front of a king or queen. However, this seems a "lost in translation" issue, as this phrase doesn't particularly mean anything in English. Is this about giving testimony, or the simple fact of having an audience with the sovereign? If so, this phrase should be rewritten and replaced throughout the article. Deliusfan ( talk) 22:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Article seems unfinished. Battles of Cuarte and Bairen (some of his most significant and magnificent victories) we’re not included 2601:80:4601:8A70:609D:C74:9FE9:2479 ( talk) 05:04, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Why does this article have a summary section? This isn't part of the standard format for biographical articles. ____318____ 21:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've put the images that were deleted back in; what was wrong with them?
And for a Spanish hero, why is a statue in California better than the one in Burgos?
Swanny18 (
talk) 12:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The three images that were on this page up until May were deleted without explanation. The eclipse picture is impressive, but, as said above, I don't see that a statue of a Spanish hero in America should take precedence over one in Spain, so I've put it back. However the San Francisco picture is better than the San Diego one, so I've swapped them. And the line drawing has some provenance, so I've replaced that as well. Swanny18 ( talk) 22:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
So, please, stop being silly about this. If you keep insisting on pushing that picture back to the top, it's just going to end up being deleted from the page altogether. This is an damned encyclopedia article, not a weblog. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 06:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
The current lead illustration seems fine to me. The previous one, the silhouette against the solar corona, is very artistically effective but of less use as a part of an encyclopedia article. Let us leave things as they now are. Incidentally, facing in or out is of no consequence whatsoever. -- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 12:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I’ve put the original lead picture back in; if we are going to have an edit scuffle on the subject, we should start with the status quo, shouldn’t we?
So we seem to have 3 candidates now for the lead picture:
And we all seem to like something different.
So can we come to some agreement on this, or failing that ask for a neutral opinion? Swanny18 ( talk) 13:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
So, do we vote here?
This really is a matter of subjective judgement, is it not, and I should apologise for putting my oar in twice. But I really do think that picture number one, above, particularly in its cropped form (below), conveys a dynamic impression of The Cid which is in keeping with the tone of the article. The corona picture, while ideal for winning photo competitions, does not convey the essence of the person within the article. But this is only my opinion. -- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 20:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
4 5 Added 09.09, 18 June 2009 by Ed Fitzgerald : Labelled by Swanny18 ( talk) 03:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
See John Calvin ( talk) and Joseph Priestley ( talk). It proves I'm not the only one who understand how images should be used. Srnec ( talk) 00:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Does this article really need to have two pictures of the statue in Burgos? Ekwos ( talk) 22:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Editors srnec and ekwos both wish to have the lead image changed, as they dislike the current image. As the discussion has been smouldering on for about 2 months now, (See here here, here, here and here) and neither have made a concrete proposal, preferring bold edits, I am posting their offerings to date and inviting comment. Does the lead image need changing? And if so, to what? Swanny18 ( talk) 21:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The current one is just ghastly. Anything would be an improvement over that. I personally have no preference as to whether artists interpretations or historic artifacts would be better placed in the lead in this case, but at least a better photo! The current one doesn't even well illustrate the statue as it's so dark, and the statue itself has been half cropped out (the pedestal is certainly part of the work) and takes up such a small section compared to the sky. -- Falcorian (talk) 23:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, given the agreement about the current picture, I went ahead and repeated the same minimal change (to the better Burgos picture with the pedestal included) that I had done before. We can go ahead and discuss what we think is an even better solution.
If people like statues the close up of the Balboa one is better because it focusses on the man more. Otherwise I like either of the two texts (which are actually artifacts as most of what we know about the man come from them). Ekwos ( talk) 23:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
This is the subject of a 2 month dispute, which is no nearer a conclusion.
Does the lead image of this article need changing, and if so, to what?
Swanny18 (
talk) 20:17, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I find the current lead image [uncropped Burgos' statue] good enough, at least compared to the other alternatives previously mentioned. This doesn't mean I rule out the possibility that someone else could come up with a better one though. In any case, the corona one has no pedagogical value whatsoever; the mentioned criteria for its support are irrelevant for a biographical article on a lead figure in the medieval history of Spain; being a relevant figure in Spain's history adds support to the thesis that the Burgos one be preferred. The current lead picture could, however, be supported by any of the proposed close-up pictures; and the Balboa one might also have a place in the article: it isn't obvious that such a statue may be found outside Spain.
Polnasam (
talk) 23:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I think I have made my position clear above. I don't mind the statue, but the former lead ( File:Spain Burgos statue the Cid.jpg) is not a great image, and further doesn't even well illustrate the statue. -- Falcorian (talk) 20:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The current photo looks decent enough. I am sure it is possible to do better, but I did not like any of the other suggestions better than the current lead. and BTW I agree with Falcorian that the former lead is a poor image that fails to really focus on the statue. Richard ( talk) 04:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
why is the pic on the right? the infobox on the left is terrible placement, too. of all the pics on the talk page i think the closeup of the statue's face is best for the lead. this photo is nice, and should be in the article, but for people we normally have an iconic painting or statue with facial features in view in the lead. (see
Jesus or
Nero)
untwirl(
talk) 16:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
The previous inconsistency has been fixed. Actual text: A weapon traditionally identified as El Cid's sword, Tizona, used to be displayed in the Army Museum (Museo del Ejército) in Toledo[...] In 2007 the Autonomous Community of Castile and León bought the sword for 1.6 million Euros, and it is currently on display at the Museum of Burgos. So, I'll proceed to edit the to-be-done list to reflect this.-- Infinauta ( talk) 16:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that El Cid died from an arrow in the heart. I've never read that anywhere but in the article. As far as I know he died of natural causes. Is this folk history/the movie creeping in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pablo668 ( talk • contribs) 05:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
I think the style of the wikipedia is name the articles with the name of the person (Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar) and redirect the nickname (El Cid). I.e. the spanish wikipedia http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_D%C3%ADaz_de_Vivar I propose a change in the name of the article to Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar, and a later redirect from El Cid to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseja2010 ( talk • contribs) 23:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
In Don Quixote El Cid is mentioned as "Ruy Diaz". Is this notable enough for a redirect page? 78.86.61.94 ( talk) 05:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, there's a statue of El Cid outside the Legion of Honor in San Francisco that has his birth date as 1040, contradicting the article's assertion of 1043. Wandering the net, there are birth years ranging from 1040 to 1045[ 1 2 3], as well as a few articles[ 4] that claim the birth date is disputed but somewhere in that range. To avert poor souls like myself from the urge to "correct" the article when confronted by something as authoritative as a statue outside a museum, would it be reasonable to put some indication of the range in the heading of the article? I imagine either adding a question mark (1043?) or a range (1040-1044) and a single sentence indicating the confusion would do it for me. Thoughts? (This was brought up in the archived talk page as well but never resolved.) Maplebed ( talk) 22:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
This article could do with a section on references to El Cid in European literature. -- Martin Wyatt ( talk) 18:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
··· Vanischenu 「m/ Talk」 10:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC), slightly modified on 21:01, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
According to this El País article (in Spanish), the statue on the top of this WP article (wich is not the original) has several copies. Depending on sources, the original was the one in Sevilla (according to El País and this source) or the one of the Hispanic Society in New York (according to this), with the others (San Francisco, San Diego and Buenos Aires) being copies made by Huntington. Also, Spanish sculptor Juan de Avalos made another copy for Valencia.
Regards, -- HCPUNXKID ( talk) 16:44, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Why was he a Spanish hero if he fought for the muslims at one point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.167.234 ( talk) 18:12, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I admire your erudition, Menah! I didn't know that, and it makes sense. But let me submit to you, that above all, there is the great poem that some fine artist composed, a la Homer, from the vigorous ballads he heard in the streets. Imagine King Henry V without Shakespeare's play about him. Can't be done. It's really a literary character, El Cid, who became Spain's national hero. Wouldn't you agree? In the poem, he is not only the perfect warrior, he is the perfect husband, perfect father, perfect lord, who showers his legal fifth of all booty on all who fight for him, down to the lowest, and at least once, onto previously conquered Moors. He tricks Jewish bankers into loaning him seed money for his first battle in exile-- and at the end of the poem, paramount leader after the King, he repays even them. (Now there's a first for the Middle Ages.) And he's even an ardent monarchist, though his loyalty to the greedy Alfonso is subtly used to make Alfonso look even smaller. The poem is meritocracy for a warrior society. The two villains, the Infantes, are aristocrats who despise the Cid's origins in the minor nobility, and prate endlessly about their birth, though they actually soil their pants when the Cid's pet lion gets out of his cage. They flee any Moor who charges at them and revenge themselves not on a man, but on his wife and daughters, shamefully. It's just good poetry, too, much of it. Read the poem in Old Spanish to hear the many fine sections which have the surging quality of The Charge of the Light Brigade. In short, with such a poem behind him, the historical Cid was elevated to national hero. "Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of mankind." Profhum ( talk) 18:09, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
According to Age of Empires 2 The Conquerors expansion he died of an arrow shot while mounting a counter attack against the Moors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.135.7.76 ( talk) 18:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
After being exiled El Cid entered the service of the Moorish, Taifa of Zaragoza this part of history should not be erased along with the fact that he was a leader of a multicultural army under the Moors. 182.182.106.117 ( talk) 16:04, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
There are a lot of theses debating the true meaning of "Campeador" as it appears to be a word created to describe him. This discussion can be found in this other wikipedia article https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campeador_(lexicograf%C3%ADa). Champion in spanish would be "Campeón", its close, but apparently there has not been found any direct meaning or true origin to this word.
How come there is not a word here about Pierre Corneille's play Le Cid, which is one of the most famous French classical plays?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Cid_%28Corneille%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.44.138.194 ( talk) 07:07, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Dude. Tryna work out if this article match Age of Empires 2. Nobody got time track down every little thing about the man. Profhum ( talk) 17:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Now it is expanded upon later in the article but in the beginning his translated title is capitalized. Including the word "lord" The capitalization of this word is confusing due to it referring to God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.22.132.74 ( talk) 19:46, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I have added a short section on the literary and musical works that have been inspired on the life of El Cid, since it seemed absurd that the article referenced some Video Games, but not important works of art such as El Cantar de Mio Cid or Corneille´s Le Cid. 19:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.0.53.142 ( talk)
In Spanish the term used is "destierro," which I've frequently seen more translated as banishment. In fact, with U.S. states, where banishment is still a possible penalty, this penalty is called banishment. Banishment is also the penalty used on Romeo in Romeo and Juliet; so, I wonder if we should opt for banishment in place of exile. Just some thoughts. Does anyone have similar examples for exile? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrancoMacV ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
It seems that there is no continuity in the use of Rodrigo or El Cid in the lead section. It seems clumsy? -- Kevin Murray ( talk) 20:51, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
"The terms for the return to the Christian service must have been attractive enough since Rodrigo soon found himself fighting for his former Lord." This sounds funny and doesn't elaborate with any facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC51:2B60:B952:8460:7878:9BDB ( talk) 20:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
The article neglects to mention El Cid being German. Should be important. 79.106.209.159 ( talk) 10:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
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I found numerous mentions of the phrase "confirmed a document" or variations thereof in connection to activity in the royal Court in front of a king or queen. However, this seems a "lost in translation" issue, as this phrase doesn't particularly mean anything in English. Is this about giving testimony, or the simple fact of having an audience with the sovereign? If so, this phrase should be rewritten and replaced throughout the article. Deliusfan ( talk) 22:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Article seems unfinished. Battles of Cuarte and Bairen (some of his most significant and magnificent victories) we’re not included 2601:80:4601:8A70:609D:C74:9FE9:2479 ( talk) 05:04, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Why does this article have a summary section? This isn't part of the standard format for biographical articles. ____318____ 21:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)