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"Eurostat revealed that the budgetary statistics on the basis of which Greece joined the eurozone had been under-reported by the conniving wops.[23]" Excuse me? I highly doubt that the Eurostat report used such a racial slur as "wop". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.103.70.41 ( talk) 08:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
hv jhmb v bg.j 'Bout a month ago, the article contained the figures for military spending. where did those figures go?
Project2501a 14:37, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I believe that the vast majority of Greek electricity generation is from lignite, not hydro as reported in the statistics. Also, wind energy amounts to a few hundred megawatts and probably deserves a mention independently.
" In Greece today the mainer source for electricity generation is the lignite, representing roughly 59% of total production. The fuel oil that is used mainly in units of not connected system (islands) represent roughly 14%, the natural gas roughly 13%, the big hydroelectric roughly 6%. The production from RSE oscillates in roughly 2,5% and this is included the wind power plants, the micrometers hydroelectric work, the biomass and photovoltaic systems."
from http://www.argotrade.com/wind/
I read in a 1984 World Book that 25% of villagers did not have power, do they all have it now?
The CIA Factbook has more recent figures (many from 2004) than this article.
Q1 2011 growth is -5,5% not +0,8% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.103.152.68 ( talk) 16:56, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
However there are two challenges for policymakers: a)to avoid an economic slump after the enthusiasm of the Games has gone and the EU farm subsidies get cut in 2006 and b) to proceed with stuctural economic reforms, especially in the areas of social insurance, welfare, and the labour market which will encourage further investments, lower the country's high unemployment and promote growth and economic stability. The first step was taken on the 30th June 2005 with substantial reforms of the insurance system for bank employees against fierce opposition from the unions and the main opposition partyPASOK with laws liberalising working hours in retail trade and employment and providing for public/private financing initiatives of public works and services to follow over the summer.
aint this just the neoliberal view / proposed solution?
there is no such thing as "neoliberal" its a mere attempt to accuse ND for beeing right-wing while in fact there is little connection between their policies and what constitutes "right-wing" economic policies world wide. By international standarts Even ND economic policies(the ones folowed today) are considered "socialist".
79.129.169.49 (
talk) 23:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
According to EU12 ratings, IIRC after italy or portugal, greece follows with less women working compared to men in EU12. This is a main characteristic of economy growth and it is especially mentioned in EU advisory papers for countries. It's true that strong and very high growing economies like Sweden's show an equal share or even more women working than men. I strongly believe all this should analysed somehow in such articles.
I repeat: this article doesn't mention anything about the HUGE financial problems of which Greece is suffering. The financial is the most permanent and prevailing problem the average Greek citizen is concerned about, Greece has the 3rd worst economy of the EU, goods' prices are augmenting about once per month, about half of the news is about the difficulty of the middleman to overcome his financial obligations, him having 2 jobs at once to live his family, finance it's the factor about which the Greeks are most pessimistic about and the TV commercials are mostly for bank loans. The only thing one gathers from this article is 'Greece is advancing and all goes well'. Pictureuploader 13:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
you watch too much tv or havent been anywhere else lately... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.149.199 ( talk) 00:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the guy above. (someone who actually lives abroad) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.130.239.173 ( talk) 01:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
When I was living in the U.S. I kept hearing about "economic problems", "poverty" and "people suffering" in that country (the U.S. !). It is natural that people who have not been in truly poor countries have no idea of the relative meaning of those terms. Many people in Asia and Africa almost feel offended by Westerners talking about "poverty" with such strong terms. Economy and development of nations is a very complex matter and, certainly, our source of knowledge should not only be TV shows. Skartsis ( talk) 14:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
This piece is heavily biassed towards a socialist/communist point of view of a free market economy (and any corporate activity) being the cause of all problems when in fact Greece's problems are caused by far too rigid government control in combination with massive government corruption and overspending.
Why is this so high? The revised GDP has not been verified by the EU as of yet, it is highly unlikely that it will. This is misleading. Greece has a long way of being on par with Spain's economy. I can't why somebody has the motivation to give a false image of reality in this manner. The real figure of Greece is nothing to be ashamed of! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.126.193.38 ( talk) 06:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
It is high, because Greece's economy is strong with high rates of development. The per capita income is on par with that of Spain's and far above Portugal for instance. The IMF places it around $27,300 for 2007 while other respected organizations as the Economist place it even higher. Needless to say that the Eurostat has already approved the data since the last GDP per capita that published is around 22,000 Euros aprox the figure of the IMF. So that is the real figure and of course Greece is not ashamed of it! 62.1.24.239 21:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
There has been a lot of talk about Greek numbers. Eurostat approved only a partial revision of Greek GDP in Oct 2007, while other organizations "accepted" a higher revision (this could change, based on the final Eurostat data published recently). There has been historically a big problem with proper evaluation of Greece's black economy, but one thing we should all try to do, is to avoid "empirical" assessments of economic performance. Skartsis 16:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I am Greek, and I tried to put the correct value for GDP per capita in and it keeps getting changed to a ridiculously high and unrealistic value. There is no way these values are correct. According to article right now (Nov. 5, 2007), Greece has a higher GDP per capita than Germany. Are you kidding me? Come on people, let's correct this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.59.23 ( talk) 23:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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I changed it to : "Greeks are the second most working people between OECD countries" since the Forbes survey is between OECD countries not "the world" as previously mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basiljabber ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Recent economic history
The per capita income (purchasing power terms) of Greece was 65% that of France in 1850, 56% in 1890, 62% in 1938 [2] [3], 75% in 1980 and 90% in 2007 [4]. Mistaken according to IMF [1] it was 84.79% in 1980 73.72% in 1990 71.66% in 2000 and finally 86.98% in 2007 IMF doesnt keep data before 1980.
In 1981, protective barriers were removed when Greece joined the European Community on January 1, 1981 and cohesion funds contributed considerably to the country's fast economic development in the 1980s. By 1989 Greece belonged to a group of 23 "advanced economies".
Again according to the IMF
[2] i dont believe 0.7% average growth counts as "fast economic development in the '80's"
By 1989 Greece belonged to a group of 23 "advanced economies".
IMF
[3]1980 25th richest per capita 1990 30th richest per capita. Close to 23
but not quite.
One of the successes of recent Greek economic policy has been the reduction of inflation rates. For more than 20 years, inflation hovered in the double digits, it reached 23% in late 1990. But a combination of fiscal consolidation, wage restraint, and strong drachma policies resulted in lowered inflation. Inflation fell to 2.0% by mid-1999
IMF data again [4] inflation rates surpassed 20% in 1980,1981,1982,1986,1990 while inflation for late '90s was less than 5% in average. I also think Greek economic policies influence is exagerated but if someone can source that Im ok with that.
Cost of living
I already edited the "second most working people in the world" since the Forbes article clearly stated otherwise.
Household debt The explosion of borrowing and lending was that they emerged after the banking deregulation and the falling interest rates caused Greece to have among the highest lending growth rates in the EU.
This is misleading since Ive only found sources about beeing the fifth out of EU15 which is somewhat average and not worth mentioning.
Indicative of the 'trend' of over-loaning in recent years is the fact that the ratio exceeded deposits for lending in the first half of the 100 units, suggesting that the allocations are now more than deposits.
This is also misleading since thats how its supposed to work not a solely "greek" phenomenon
for more information check Federal Reserve System. Basiljabber ( talk) 22:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
It should be interesting to study this 3 groups, how they live and got their money, what are their daily troubles, etc. Yug (talk) 18:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
The way this article begins, I feel like I live in a different country. Is is over-optimistic regarding the quality of life, as in the recent years there are 20% Greeks who live a luxurious and good life, 20% struggling to get by and the rest completely forgotten in their misery. There may have been development and well-being during the last decades, but most of the wealth has been distributed to the 20% of the population and the rest try to racket their way to it. And regarding the official statistics the government publishes are overoptimistic, as in a recent euro-poll only 10% of the Greeks are optimistic about the economy (those who earn money in Greece and spend most of their time in Switzerland). -- Dimorsitanos ( talk) 02:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Only one who has lived on Greece can understand this weird self-pity, self-rejection syndrom that we learn starting from school! Read any Greek newspaper or hear the news on TV and then you are ready to commit suicide; to be pessimistic and talk about "catastrophe approaching" is one of the favorite local sports, and I remember hearing the same stuff as long as I live (such arguments ae used to exhibit the ... ingenuity and mind superiority of those who criticize the rest). And then the same people (reporters) go on making polls that "reveal" that Greeks are pessimistic. It would be worth saving and publishing a ...collection of garbage [usually involving economics] published in Greek media! Skartsis ( talk) 12:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
High standards of living? Are you sure? ( 195.87.42.210 ( talk) 14:43, 24 March 2016 (UTC))
I just wrote a ten page article about the development of greek economy for school. Now I can say that many of the facts in this wikipedia article, and especially many of the numbers are definitley wrong. (-> OECD, World Factbook) The article is not very good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.124.242.42 ( talk) 19:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
One error that has been left uncorrected for several months is the statement about "high economic growth in the 1980s". In reality the 1980s was pretty much a decade of miserable economic performance, often called "the lost decade", clearly connected with socialist experiments (including nationalization of major companies) - to include all arguments, though, I should mention that "unofficial" or "black" economy grew faster. Ironically, it is the same political party that is credited with a reversal of economic performance and high growth after 1994. I have reworded the sentence about the 1980s, hoping that it more accurately reflects the situation. Skartsis ( talk) 06:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
To the editor(s) doing [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12], you need to have a real discussion here beyond "it is far too poor." There is no way I am going to accept that it's better to have a version where the top image is a deleted comment over a real image. That's a starting point. If this continues, I will semi-protect the page so we can move on. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 05:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles about such general-interest subjects like this, are written and progressively enriched/perfected through cooperation of many contributors. All of a sudden I see that most of the article has been erased, including a lot of detailed data about the recent/current situation. Normally there should be a discussion about possible improvements, not such an "attack". As if this were not enough, somebody added the "written like an advertisement" label (as most of the material about the recent evolutions had been removed). I think such articles deserve better protection - if anything, massive deletions like the recent one should be undone, and a responsible editor should propose a revised version. Skartsis ( talk) 14:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The article does not include at all anything about Greece's huge financial problems, economic instability and etc. All other Economy articles, such as Economy of Italy say about their country's problems, but Greece doesn't. And let's face it, I know a lot about country's economies and Greece has a lot of corruption, low economic freedom, a recent poor economic performance and it is going through one of its worst recessions. Now, I'm not saying to erase the article and re-write it totally with a negative POV, however, some facts need to be added and there is nothing one can prove against it. This is fact, not opinion, and there are a lot of sources to prove this.-- Theologiae ( talk) 14:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The problem with some articles about economic history is that they either reflect very recent conditions (experienced at the time somebody wrote the article) or do not put things in the right context - typical of garbage written in newspaper or heard in TV shows. For example writing about "huge economic problems and corruption" in Italy and Bangladesh are both technically accurate, but, especially in an encyclopedic article, one should put the information about the country in the right context. Before the "Economy of Greece" article was "attacked" it had somewhat of a balance, as in the last paragraphs it analyzed recent negative evolutions. I would suggest that a couple of paragraphs were added at the end, that reflect the negative factors (low competitiveness, corruption etc) and the negative current situation, but it should not fall in the usual traps mentioned above. Skartsis ( talk) 15:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Where is the encyclopedic information on the recent (current) economic crises in Greece? The failure of an article on the economy of Greece to have a decent summary of the current fiscal crises of the Greek government, issues with public sector jobs, protests, is remarkable. And it is not up to the ordinary standards of Wikipedia to avoid POV. Has there been some kind of political consensus among a few editors to avoid bad news in this article? Or what? N2e ( talk) 11:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Reuters article on the meeting: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2515219020100226
BusinessWeek article on the DoJustice investigation: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-03/u-s-said-to-tell-hedge-funds-to-save-euro-records-update2-.html
Bloomberg article on the investigation: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGwpiEXSgoxs&pos=3
Wall Street Journal article on the Hedge Funds' "ganging" of euro. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB40001424052748703795004575087741848074392.html
-- AaThinker ( talk) 06:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
"The Greek economy is a developed economy with the public sector accounting for about 40% of GDP. The service sector contributes 75.7% of the total GDP, industry 20.6% and agriculture 3.7%. "
I might be reading this incorectly but isn't 40+75+20+3 = 148% ? 82.21.25.153 ( talk) 17:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
for a country that it helped create a military Dictatorship in the 60s admittedly by Bill Clinton. This is insulting. -- Leladax ( talk) 23:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
No mention is made of the affect of the Construction industry in period 1995 to 2007 and Asset prices (perhaps a bubble). Somebody should add something in this direction and the effect on GDP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.151.108 ( talk) 12:48, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I also believe that mention needs to be made of the economy between 1950 and 1965, between 1965 and 75 and between 1975 and 90. Also need to discuss war and pre-war economy at least to 1900 with a paragraph for the period 1821 to 1900. Note that the greek nation has been bankrupt a number of times in its history. Focus on national debt is essential in this topic.
See also https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gr.html The Economy Overview "Greece is a major beneficiary of EU aid, equal to about 3.3% of annual GDP. The Greek economy grew by nearly 4.0% per year between 2003 and 2007, due partly to infrastructural spending related to the 2004 Athens Olympic Games, and in part to an increased availability of credit, which has sustained record levels of consumer spending. But growth dropped to 2% in 2008. The economy went into recession in 2009 and contracted by 2%, as a result of the world financial crisis, tightening credit conditions, and Athens' failure to address a growing budget deficit, which was triggered by falling state revenues, and increased government expenditures." and other details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.151.108 ( talk) 12:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Greece's Gross Domestic Product - GDP US$ 305.005 billion (2010 estimate) GDP (Purchasing Power Parity)- 322.555 billion US$ (2010 estimate ) [13]
http://nowandfutures.com/d2/Top50_CDS_Gross_notional20081031.htm
Turkey holds most of the CDS assets in the world. Do the math. -- Athinker ( talk) 13:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
If the budget deficit is listed as -$34.5 billion, doesn't that mean they have a budget surplus of +$34.5 billion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.215.193 ( talk) 23:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I've just uploaded this chart that I've just created.GDP and Debt timeseries start at 1970;Deficit at 2000. Should I add it in somewhere (in example after the "History of government debt and deficit (1999-present" table) or are there any objections?? Thanatos| talk 00:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The reliability of this article is questioned because some references are not reliable (for example are from sites and newspapers) and also some data are not updated, for example the deficit today is - 6.9 and not - 9.5 that the article predicts for 2011--- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 688dim ( talk • contribs) 23:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I believe the people working on the article are doing a generally acceptable job, but I don't like the excessive use of skai.gr as a source. This website, and the newspaper Kathimerini (both controlled by the Alafouzos family of shipowners) may be serious-looking, but they can't be considered objective, as they support an extreme and fundamentalist Thatcherist-Reaganite-neoliberal agenda, and their articles are full of bias towards everything having to do with government and civil servants; basically, if something is state-owned, it's horribly inefficient, they say. So, I recommend stopping the use of this website as a source, or trying to counter-balance it by providing more diversified sources, sympathetic to more progresive/socialist positions, in order for the reader to hear the other side of the story. Also, the claims made by Jason Manolopoulos can't be taken as a gospel. I am particularly disappointed with the section based on Manolopoulos' book, full of gems like "the reality of economics" or "dynastic dysfunctional politics", and it should be removed Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης ( talk) 16:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone be able to extend or increase the x axis of this graph so the years can be seen more clearly? [14]. At the current state, it is a bit hard to look at analytically (especially the eurozone period) due to there being over 50 years. In comparison, this graph looks a lot clearer since it goes over only 11 years: [15]. Kind regards. Calaka ( talk) 05:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
The double standard is obvious. When one of the "superior" countries has a problem, it's the "bankers". When a south european country has it, it's the "lazy pigs". That's some nazi shit right there. -- 195.74.250.209 ( talk) 01:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, when a country like the United States, Britain, Australia, Japan, or Germany has a problem, it probably most likely "IS" the bankers and the regulations they are allowed to have and follow. When a country like Greece has a problem, well.., their banks never ranked high in the world so it probably is the workers or the citizens of that country. That's not Nazism, or hatred toward Greece, it may just be a fact, that's all. -And on another subject, Greece's current economy is in shambles but this article, entitled "Economy of Greece", doesn't seem to touch on that as much as I would have expected it to. That section on its current economy was no longer than the other sections. And the section about "Maritime Industry" doesn't belong here. That belongs under the article of Greece itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 ( talk) 20:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
It seems to me that the content on this page regarding Greece's 2010-2011 debt crisis is very extensive, and deserves its own article. I think it creates the wrong impression of Greece's economy, as it dominates the page. I have tried to introduce a number of new sections to the article (agriculture, telecommunications, shipping, tourism etc) and plan to add more (banking, construction industry, mining, and others), but I think that the debt section is far too long. Would anyone else agree that we should split it into its own article? -- Philly boy92 ( talk) 12:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Half of it has been wrote off, in part of it. -- 194.219.30.55 ( talk) 22:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
This edit "This led to claims that italy had not actually met all five accession criteria"(emphasis mine) by 98.142.192.4 was of course not appropriate when taken as is. So it had been reverted to this "This led to claims that Greece had not actually met all five accession criteria" by Tgeairn as being factually erroneous. Well,I've made a "synthesis" of edits, having added references.Now it reads "This led to claims that Greece (as well as claims about other European countries like Italy[47]) had not actually met all five accession criteria".Btw it has already been mentioned elsewere in the article(2010–2011 debt crisis section).So it's anything but wrong and also I don't think it's wrong covering it more and providing more references... P.S.Country M=Italy,at least that's what's most people say... ;-) Thanatos| talk 09:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Burgas–Alexandroupoli pipeline, which will transport oil from Russia to Bulgaria, Greece and then Europe and North America,[103] is an €800 million investment of which 23.5% comes from Greek companies[103] and another 1% by the Greek state.
The Burgas–Alexandroupoli pipeline On 7 December 2011, Bulgarian government officially decided to terminate its participation in the project and proposed to the tripartite inter-governmental agreement to be terminated at mutual consent http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134623
Remove that project is dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.253.247.219 ( talk) 19:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed that for over a month now the article's rating has received 1 box for each of the categories, i.e. rating it as extremely POV and untrustworthy. I hardly think that the article in its present form deserves such a low rating, especially since it presents a much more spherical view of the Greek economy than it did a year ago. Is there any way we can see if there is any vandalism going on? If its not vandalism, would those people care to point out what is wrong in the article so it can be fixed? -- Philly boy92 ( talk) 15:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The page's rating at the bottom of the page is 5 stars across all five categories, should we nominate the page as a "good article"? It's come a long way since last year, and I believe it portrays a holistic view of the Greek economy; something that most economy pages don't do. It certainly does not deserve either a "start" or "c class" rating in my opinion. Thoughts? -- Philly boy92 ( talk) 23:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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The following is my issues with the article. I have quoted portions of the article and I recommend using ctrl + 4 to search for these quotations in the article:
I don't understand the table in the section "Trade and investment". The caption says, imports and exports in 2008 are compared to 2011. Yet the table only seems to show 2011 figures. Also the numbers aren't consistent with the info box at the top right of the whole article. The box states, Greece's main export partners are "Germany 11.11%, Italy 11.05%, Cyprus 7.28%, Bulgaria 6.74%, US 4.95%, UK 4.4%, Turkey 4.23%". The table otoh says, main export partner is Denmark with a value that's about 9% of the total. 77.186.72.148 ( talk) 19:48, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
If you Heptor (or anyone else) want to delete the aforementioned sentence please, kindly explain to us to why it's irrelevant and content-free;with references please.
Greece has severe endemic-local economic problems but this doesn't mean that these problems are totally irrelevant to or isolated from the world outside Her.
As an example of the global crisis hitting Greece hard, see drastic decline of exports of goods (www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/exports) or tourism revenues-receipts (www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/international-tourism-receipts-us-dollar-wb-data.html) during the discussed period.
P.S.I have just discovered that for
some strange and unknown reason, tradingeconomics.com is in wikipedia's blacklist-spamlist, therefore I had to delete the http part and so on not being able to create (real external) links;that's why the internet addresses are in the above form.
Thanatos|
talk 16:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Source: http://www.presidency.gr/wp-content/uploads/SuskepshPolitikwnArxhgwn15.5.12.pdf (Prime Minister of Greece at the time of the PSI) -- 193.92.225.229 ( talk) 00:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Fitch Ratings-London-17 May 2012: Fitch Ratings has downgraded Greece's Long-term foreign and local currency Issuer Default Ratings (IDRs) to 'CCC' from 'B-'. The Short-term foreign currency IDR has also been downgraded to 'C' from 'B'.
http://www.fitchratings.com/creditdesk/press_releases/detail.cfm?pr_id=750064&cm_sp=homepage-_-FeaturedContentLink-_-Learn%20More — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.253.33.182 ( talk) 00:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm surprised Greece still has a notable economy. I thought it was going to leave the euro or something? 192.12.88.41 ( talk) 07:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
a.I've deleted the older pre PSI data from the Infobox;they are imo no more relevant,they have no place being inside the infobox.Outside the infobox and inside the article of course no argue that they are very significant.
b.I've also updated to latest debt data,id est of June 2012 (referenced using official Hellenic Republic's Public Debt Bulletin) but I've left the older %GDP estimates unchanged since there is no relevant reference-estimate based on the former that I know of.This creates a minor problem regarding references format; I've seperated them and placed them inside parantheses and small tag so that it's clear that they differ,that they refer to different numbers.
Does anyone object to the former (deletion of pre PSI data inside infobox) or the latter(format of references,id est being small,inside parentheses and in different places for Public Debt(absolute) and Public Debt(%GDP))?
P.S. On the latter I propose leaving , for the sake of clarity, the format as it is now until we have a newer more relevant %GDP estimate&reference but I wouldn't seriously object to changing back to normal format (normal size,outside parantheses,packed together) for the sake of homogeneity of appearance if other editors don't like my change.
P.P.S. I also propose updating the Public Debt Bulletin latest reference I've now created, every time a new one gets published (about every three months).
P.P.P.S. I've also now changed the average gross and net salaries inside the infobox.Their references now point to "serious" sources(OECD and Eurostat) but no longer to pdfs;instead they link to dynamic tables that have to be set manually in order to show the data on Greece and relevant variables.Note also that 1.elsewhere on OECD I've read that the 2011 data on Greece are to be revised,so the gross number may have perhaps to be considered as provisional and 2. as they are from different sources and about different years etc (OECD and Eurostat(from EU-SILC), 2011 and 2010 respectively) there might be a significant gap between the two cited values greater(I think) than the "real" social contributions etc.
Thanatos|
talk 14:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted edits by an unresponsive single-purpose account (SPA) due to the massive changes in economic data and the removal of reliable sources and their replacement with unadjusted estimates from primary sources. The currency has also changed from euro to dollars. I find these changes unacceptable. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 19:12, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Regarding this edit summary, I fail to see the parallel. User:Αισχυλος was clearly a Turkish sockpuppet with a bone to pick, probably motivated by my edits over at Economy of Turkey. The reason I prefer the US dollar figures is because they are used across all such articles, with the notable exception of this one. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 15:06, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Mainly to user Farolif (but also to Aischylos (CIA Factbook specific)):
You know that the CIA Factbook isn't equivalent to reality, right? Both in what in includes and in what it doesn't.
It's not, you know,
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or
Encyclopaedia Galactica.
Not mentioning shipping in an article about the Greek economy because the CIA Factbook for some reason doesn't mention it (generally or in its latest version), is hardly rational.I'd dare say that including shipping in this case is a priori tested, verified and not falsified... ;-)
Perhaps you should read something like
this???
To all:
O tempora, o mores! CIA and Fact(s) (-book) in the same sentence, the CIA as the ultimate harbinger of truth and facts!! The End is really nigh! :D
Thanatos|
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"Finally, the most important Greek industry, shipping, is making huge gains establishing its prowess in the global market, being the biggest in the world, makes Greece a real global player. Shipping, which contributed by 4,5% to the country's ..."
"The Greek shipping industry, one of the largest in the world, accounts for more than 30 percent of the income derived from services. It is exempt from government control, unlike other"
"Greek shipping and List of ports in Greece The shipping industry is a key element of Greek economic activity dating back to ancient times. Today, shipping is one of the country's most important industries. It accounts for 4.5% of ..."
"Greek ships make up 70 percent of the European Union's total merchant fleet. Greece also has a large shipbuilding and ship refitting industry. Its six shipyards near Piraeus are among the biggest in Europe.
Since Greek shipping ranks on top of world shipping business in terms of tonnage and volume, it is of interest to have a closer look at Greek shipping finance."
<ref name="Pallis2007">{{cite book|author=Athanasios A. Pallis|title=Maritime Transport: The Greek Paradigm|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=hwklKYRn2rcC&pg=PA175|accessdate=14 April 2013|year=2007|publisher=Elsevier|isbn=978-0-7623-1449-2|page=175|quote=Since Greek shipping ranks on top of world shipping business in terms of tonnage and volume, it is of interest to have a closer look at Greek shipping finance.}}</ref>
Finally, the context of the conversation in this thread is the removal of the Greek shipping industry from the industries of Greece in the CIA factbook. So when you claim that I said that the World Factbook does not consider "shipping" to be an industry you did not understand the context of my statement. I have said repeatedly that the CIA factbook does not include the shipping industry of Greece as one of the Greek industries. There was no reason for me to claim anything more global and you should look at the context of the conversation which is the Greek shipping industry not the one of the Maldives or of Sri-Lanka.
Since my attempts to explain my recent edits in their corresponding summaries have fallen on deaf ears, I shall try bringing the subject up here. The number of citations for the inclusion of "shipping" as a "main industry" for Greece constitues citation overkill, and the subsequent attempt by Thanatos666 to merge the seven different citations into a single reference point does not seem to meet the requirement for a "good reason to keep multiple citations" as prescribed in WP:Citemerge. As it is, due to the persistent reversions by Thanatos666 & Dr.K., the reference list is too cluttered at the listing for "shipping". Farolif ( talk) 00:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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Why can't you find more recent references to support your own initial assertion? Or maybe the Greek shipping industry is, in fact, no longer the major player that it used to be, and you and many others are in critical denial about it?
Year | 2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 |
%GDP | 6.05 | 5.81 | 5.13 | 5.23 | 6.74 | 6.71 | 12.60 | 7.05 | 14.98 | 5.30 | 6.29 |
phrase from the bottom of the infobox, replacing it instead with in situ references.The way to do this is by removing this code
from the infobox. I wish we could also remove this text|cianame = gr
from inside the infobox, i.e. remove the whole bottom box, but as I understand it, it is unfortunately encoded in such a way at the template page itself that it cannot be removed; i.e. for it to be removed the template coding per se must be changed(I may try to have this changed if possible; I may have a talk in due time with people at the template's talk page;but this seems to probably be proven very hard to do, as this template is being used at many wiki-articles, so a coding change would need a lot of subsequent page-edits).All values, unless otherwise stated, are in US dollars
Thanatos|
talk 02:43, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
ADDENDUM: Both changes are
now possible as far as infobox-coding is concerned. In fact I've already done one of them: I've removed from the bottom of the infobox the statement that the US$ is the stated-presented currency (unless otherwise explicitly stated).It's up to us or you now, to make the second change possible, if that is aggreeable, desirable to you, that is... ;-)
Thanatos|
talk 08:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Can an article and link to the Without intermediaries movement be made ? See also
According to Tomáš Sedláček, Greece is recovering from the economic crisis and is introducing this new way of commerce into the economy. In addition, they also seem to embrace barter networks like TEM (currency), .... KVDP ( talk) 13:33, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Much of this article is based on data that goes back as far as 2008\9 or even before. In a few weeks time, some sections of this article will be based on 10 year-old data (2004 derived). This article is therefore no longer current and its heading needs to change to reflect that it is a reflection on historical economic circumstances, not current ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.162.85 ( talk) 05:08, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link ( http://www.macmap.org/QuickSearch/FindTariff/FindTariff.aspx?subsite=open_access&country=SCC300%7cGreece&source=1%7CITC) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by Greece. Visitors can easily look up market access information for Greece by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good 2) No registration is required to access this information 3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated
Thank you, Divoc ( talk) 15:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Should link this page to Greek Tragedy ... or perhaps Greek comedy ? ;-) 66.155.23.67 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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The following under the Tax Avoidance section has no supporting references and therefore is an opinion only. References should be added or the text removed. "Actually the above mentioned study is the only of its kind. Greek businessmen doubt the myth of extra widespread tax evasion in Greece as it is known that all Greek business activity is heavily taxed with the excuse of tax evasion.Actually tax evaders in Greece are only parasitic occupations." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.142.212 ( talk) 17:48, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
A mid-2017 report indicated Greeks have been "taxed to the hilt" and many believed that the risk of penalties for tax evasion were less serious than the risk of bankruptcy. One method of evasion is the so-called black market, grey economy or shadow economy: work is done for cash payment which is not declared as income; as well, VAT is not collected and remitted.[197] A January 2017 report[198] by the DiaNEOsis think-tank indicated that unpaid taxes in Greece at the time totaled approximately 95 billion euros, up from 76 billion euros in 2015, much of it was expected to be uncollectable. Another early 2017 study estimated that the loss to the government as a result of tax evasion was between 6% and 9% of the country's GDP, or roughly between 11 billion and 16 billion euros per annum.[199]
The shortfall in the collection of VAT (sales tax) is also significant. In 2014, the government collected 28% less than was owed to it, about double the average for the EU; the amount of the shortfall that year was about 4.9 billion euros.[200] The DiaNEOsis study completed estimated that 3.5% of GDP is lost due to VAT fraud, while losses due to smuggling of alcohol, tobacco and petrol amounted to approximately another 0.5% of the country's GDP.[201] Peter K Burian ( talk) 17:54, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
See the article Tax evasion and corruption in Greece, which provides citations to numerous sources. Peter K Burian ( talk) 02:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
From that article: Tax evasion and corruption is a problem in Greece (guardian.co.uk Inman, Phillip (9 September 2012) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/09/greece-tax-evasion-professional-classes?CMP=twt_gu)
Primary Greek tax evaders are the professional classes (The Guardian. name="Ethnos Forodiafygi") (url= http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=22770&subid=2&pubid=29345 |script-title=el:Πτώση της φοροδιαφυγής στο 41,6% από 49% το τελευταίο εξάμηνο |year=2006 |publisher=Ethnos |accessdate=12 October 2011)
Tax evasion has been described by Greek politicians as "a national sport"—with up to €30 billion per year going uncollected. ( url= http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21565657-greek-tax-dodgers-are-being-outed-national-sport-no-more |work=The Economist |title=A national sport no more |date=3 November 2012) Peter K Burian ( talk) 02:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
•Revenue lost due to personal income tax evasion ranges from 1.9% to 4.7% of annual GDP. •An additional 3.5% of GDP is estimated to be lost due to Value-Added Tax (VAT) fraud. •Losses from alcohol, tobacco and fuel smuggling amount to about 0.5% of GDP. •For legal entities, revenue lost from tax evasion and tax avoidance is estimated at around 0.15% of GDP.
I updated the article with recent information from reliable sources such as Bloomberg and the New York Times:
A mid-2017 report indicated Greeks have been "taxed to the hilt" and many believed that the risk of penalties for tax evasion were less serious than the risk of bankruptcy. One method of evasion is the so-called black market, grey economy or shadow economy: work is done for cash payment which is not declared as income; as well, VAT is not collected and remitted. A January 2017 report[197] by the DiaNEOsis think-tank indicated that unpaid taxes in Greece at the time totaled approximately 95 billion euros, up from 76 billion euros in 2015, much of it was expected to be uncollectable. Another early 2017 study estimated that the loss to the government as a result of tax evasion was between 6% and 9% of the country's GDP, or roughly between 11 billion and 16 billion euros per annum.[198]
The shortfall in the collection of VAT (sales tax) is also significant. In 2014, the government collected 28% less than was owed to it, about double the average for the EU; the amount of the shortfall that year was about 4.9 billion euros.[199] The DiaNEOsis study completed estimated that 3.5% of GDP is lost due to VAT fraud, while losses due to smuggling of alcohol, tobacco and petrol amounted to approximately another 0.5% of the country's GDP.[200] Peter K Burian ( talk) 17:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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"Eurostat revealed that the budgetary statistics on the basis of which Greece joined the eurozone had been under-reported by the conniving wops.[23]" Excuse me? I highly doubt that the Eurostat report used such a racial slur as "wop". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.103.70.41 ( talk) 08:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
hv jhmb v bg.j 'Bout a month ago, the article contained the figures for military spending. where did those figures go?
Project2501a 14:37, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I believe that the vast majority of Greek electricity generation is from lignite, not hydro as reported in the statistics. Also, wind energy amounts to a few hundred megawatts and probably deserves a mention independently.
" In Greece today the mainer source for electricity generation is the lignite, representing roughly 59% of total production. The fuel oil that is used mainly in units of not connected system (islands) represent roughly 14%, the natural gas roughly 13%, the big hydroelectric roughly 6%. The production from RSE oscillates in roughly 2,5% and this is included the wind power plants, the micrometers hydroelectric work, the biomass and photovoltaic systems."
from http://www.argotrade.com/wind/
I read in a 1984 World Book that 25% of villagers did not have power, do they all have it now?
The CIA Factbook has more recent figures (many from 2004) than this article.
Q1 2011 growth is -5,5% not +0,8% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.103.152.68 ( talk) 16:56, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
However there are two challenges for policymakers: a)to avoid an economic slump after the enthusiasm of the Games has gone and the EU farm subsidies get cut in 2006 and b) to proceed with stuctural economic reforms, especially in the areas of social insurance, welfare, and the labour market which will encourage further investments, lower the country's high unemployment and promote growth and economic stability. The first step was taken on the 30th June 2005 with substantial reforms of the insurance system for bank employees against fierce opposition from the unions and the main opposition partyPASOK with laws liberalising working hours in retail trade and employment and providing for public/private financing initiatives of public works and services to follow over the summer.
aint this just the neoliberal view / proposed solution?
there is no such thing as "neoliberal" its a mere attempt to accuse ND for beeing right-wing while in fact there is little connection between their policies and what constitutes "right-wing" economic policies world wide. By international standarts Even ND economic policies(the ones folowed today) are considered "socialist".
79.129.169.49 (
talk) 23:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
According to EU12 ratings, IIRC after italy or portugal, greece follows with less women working compared to men in EU12. This is a main characteristic of economy growth and it is especially mentioned in EU advisory papers for countries. It's true that strong and very high growing economies like Sweden's show an equal share or even more women working than men. I strongly believe all this should analysed somehow in such articles.
I repeat: this article doesn't mention anything about the HUGE financial problems of which Greece is suffering. The financial is the most permanent and prevailing problem the average Greek citizen is concerned about, Greece has the 3rd worst economy of the EU, goods' prices are augmenting about once per month, about half of the news is about the difficulty of the middleman to overcome his financial obligations, him having 2 jobs at once to live his family, finance it's the factor about which the Greeks are most pessimistic about and the TV commercials are mostly for bank loans. The only thing one gathers from this article is 'Greece is advancing and all goes well'. Pictureuploader 13:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
you watch too much tv or havent been anywhere else lately... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.149.199 ( talk) 00:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the guy above. (someone who actually lives abroad) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.130.239.173 ( talk) 01:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
When I was living in the U.S. I kept hearing about "economic problems", "poverty" and "people suffering" in that country (the U.S. !). It is natural that people who have not been in truly poor countries have no idea of the relative meaning of those terms. Many people in Asia and Africa almost feel offended by Westerners talking about "poverty" with such strong terms. Economy and development of nations is a very complex matter and, certainly, our source of knowledge should not only be TV shows. Skartsis ( talk) 14:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
This piece is heavily biassed towards a socialist/communist point of view of a free market economy (and any corporate activity) being the cause of all problems when in fact Greece's problems are caused by far too rigid government control in combination with massive government corruption and overspending.
Why is this so high? The revised GDP has not been verified by the EU as of yet, it is highly unlikely that it will. This is misleading. Greece has a long way of being on par with Spain's economy. I can't why somebody has the motivation to give a false image of reality in this manner. The real figure of Greece is nothing to be ashamed of! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.126.193.38 ( talk) 06:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
It is high, because Greece's economy is strong with high rates of development. The per capita income is on par with that of Spain's and far above Portugal for instance. The IMF places it around $27,300 for 2007 while other respected organizations as the Economist place it even higher. Needless to say that the Eurostat has already approved the data since the last GDP per capita that published is around 22,000 Euros aprox the figure of the IMF. So that is the real figure and of course Greece is not ashamed of it! 62.1.24.239 21:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
There has been a lot of talk about Greek numbers. Eurostat approved only a partial revision of Greek GDP in Oct 2007, while other organizations "accepted" a higher revision (this could change, based on the final Eurostat data published recently). There has been historically a big problem with proper evaluation of Greece's black economy, but one thing we should all try to do, is to avoid "empirical" assessments of economic performance. Skartsis 16:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I am Greek, and I tried to put the correct value for GDP per capita in and it keeps getting changed to a ridiculously high and unrealistic value. There is no way these values are correct. According to article right now (Nov. 5, 2007), Greece has a higher GDP per capita than Germany. Are you kidding me? Come on people, let's correct this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.59.23 ( talk) 23:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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I changed it to : "Greeks are the second most working people between OECD countries" since the Forbes survey is between OECD countries not "the world" as previously mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basiljabber ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Recent economic history
The per capita income (purchasing power terms) of Greece was 65% that of France in 1850, 56% in 1890, 62% in 1938 [2] [3], 75% in 1980 and 90% in 2007 [4]. Mistaken according to IMF [1] it was 84.79% in 1980 73.72% in 1990 71.66% in 2000 and finally 86.98% in 2007 IMF doesnt keep data before 1980.
In 1981, protective barriers were removed when Greece joined the European Community on January 1, 1981 and cohesion funds contributed considerably to the country's fast economic development in the 1980s. By 1989 Greece belonged to a group of 23 "advanced economies".
Again according to the IMF
[2] i dont believe 0.7% average growth counts as "fast economic development in the '80's"
By 1989 Greece belonged to a group of 23 "advanced economies".
IMF
[3]1980 25th richest per capita 1990 30th richest per capita. Close to 23
but not quite.
One of the successes of recent Greek economic policy has been the reduction of inflation rates. For more than 20 years, inflation hovered in the double digits, it reached 23% in late 1990. But a combination of fiscal consolidation, wage restraint, and strong drachma policies resulted in lowered inflation. Inflation fell to 2.0% by mid-1999
IMF data again [4] inflation rates surpassed 20% in 1980,1981,1982,1986,1990 while inflation for late '90s was less than 5% in average. I also think Greek economic policies influence is exagerated but if someone can source that Im ok with that.
Cost of living
I already edited the "second most working people in the world" since the Forbes article clearly stated otherwise.
Household debt The explosion of borrowing and lending was that they emerged after the banking deregulation and the falling interest rates caused Greece to have among the highest lending growth rates in the EU.
This is misleading since Ive only found sources about beeing the fifth out of EU15 which is somewhat average and not worth mentioning.
Indicative of the 'trend' of over-loaning in recent years is the fact that the ratio exceeded deposits for lending in the first half of the 100 units, suggesting that the allocations are now more than deposits.
This is also misleading since thats how its supposed to work not a solely "greek" phenomenon
for more information check Federal Reserve System. Basiljabber ( talk) 22:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
It should be interesting to study this 3 groups, how they live and got their money, what are their daily troubles, etc. Yug (talk) 18:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
The way this article begins, I feel like I live in a different country. Is is over-optimistic regarding the quality of life, as in the recent years there are 20% Greeks who live a luxurious and good life, 20% struggling to get by and the rest completely forgotten in their misery. There may have been development and well-being during the last decades, but most of the wealth has been distributed to the 20% of the population and the rest try to racket their way to it. And regarding the official statistics the government publishes are overoptimistic, as in a recent euro-poll only 10% of the Greeks are optimistic about the economy (those who earn money in Greece and spend most of their time in Switzerland). -- Dimorsitanos ( talk) 02:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Only one who has lived on Greece can understand this weird self-pity, self-rejection syndrom that we learn starting from school! Read any Greek newspaper or hear the news on TV and then you are ready to commit suicide; to be pessimistic and talk about "catastrophe approaching" is one of the favorite local sports, and I remember hearing the same stuff as long as I live (such arguments ae used to exhibit the ... ingenuity and mind superiority of those who criticize the rest). And then the same people (reporters) go on making polls that "reveal" that Greeks are pessimistic. It would be worth saving and publishing a ...collection of garbage [usually involving economics] published in Greek media! Skartsis ( talk) 12:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
High standards of living? Are you sure? ( 195.87.42.210 ( talk) 14:43, 24 March 2016 (UTC))
I just wrote a ten page article about the development of greek economy for school. Now I can say that many of the facts in this wikipedia article, and especially many of the numbers are definitley wrong. (-> OECD, World Factbook) The article is not very good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.124.242.42 ( talk) 19:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
One error that has been left uncorrected for several months is the statement about "high economic growth in the 1980s". In reality the 1980s was pretty much a decade of miserable economic performance, often called "the lost decade", clearly connected with socialist experiments (including nationalization of major companies) - to include all arguments, though, I should mention that "unofficial" or "black" economy grew faster. Ironically, it is the same political party that is credited with a reversal of economic performance and high growth after 1994. I have reworded the sentence about the 1980s, hoping that it more accurately reflects the situation. Skartsis ( talk) 06:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
To the editor(s) doing [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12], you need to have a real discussion here beyond "it is far too poor." There is no way I am going to accept that it's better to have a version where the top image is a deleted comment over a real image. That's a starting point. If this continues, I will semi-protect the page so we can move on. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 05:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Articles about such general-interest subjects like this, are written and progressively enriched/perfected through cooperation of many contributors. All of a sudden I see that most of the article has been erased, including a lot of detailed data about the recent/current situation. Normally there should be a discussion about possible improvements, not such an "attack". As if this were not enough, somebody added the "written like an advertisement" label (as most of the material about the recent evolutions had been removed). I think such articles deserve better protection - if anything, massive deletions like the recent one should be undone, and a responsible editor should propose a revised version. Skartsis ( talk) 14:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The article does not include at all anything about Greece's huge financial problems, economic instability and etc. All other Economy articles, such as Economy of Italy say about their country's problems, but Greece doesn't. And let's face it, I know a lot about country's economies and Greece has a lot of corruption, low economic freedom, a recent poor economic performance and it is going through one of its worst recessions. Now, I'm not saying to erase the article and re-write it totally with a negative POV, however, some facts need to be added and there is nothing one can prove against it. This is fact, not opinion, and there are a lot of sources to prove this.-- Theologiae ( talk) 14:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The problem with some articles about economic history is that they either reflect very recent conditions (experienced at the time somebody wrote the article) or do not put things in the right context - typical of garbage written in newspaper or heard in TV shows. For example writing about "huge economic problems and corruption" in Italy and Bangladesh are both technically accurate, but, especially in an encyclopedic article, one should put the information about the country in the right context. Before the "Economy of Greece" article was "attacked" it had somewhat of a balance, as in the last paragraphs it analyzed recent negative evolutions. I would suggest that a couple of paragraphs were added at the end, that reflect the negative factors (low competitiveness, corruption etc) and the negative current situation, but it should not fall in the usual traps mentioned above. Skartsis ( talk) 15:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Where is the encyclopedic information on the recent (current) economic crises in Greece? The failure of an article on the economy of Greece to have a decent summary of the current fiscal crises of the Greek government, issues with public sector jobs, protests, is remarkable. And it is not up to the ordinary standards of Wikipedia to avoid POV. Has there been some kind of political consensus among a few editors to avoid bad news in this article? Or what? N2e ( talk) 11:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Reuters article on the meeting: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2515219020100226
BusinessWeek article on the DoJustice investigation: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-03/u-s-said-to-tell-hedge-funds-to-save-euro-records-update2-.html
Bloomberg article on the investigation: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGwpiEXSgoxs&pos=3
Wall Street Journal article on the Hedge Funds' "ganging" of euro. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB40001424052748703795004575087741848074392.html
-- AaThinker ( talk) 06:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
"The Greek economy is a developed economy with the public sector accounting for about 40% of GDP. The service sector contributes 75.7% of the total GDP, industry 20.6% and agriculture 3.7%. "
I might be reading this incorectly but isn't 40+75+20+3 = 148% ? 82.21.25.153 ( talk) 17:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
for a country that it helped create a military Dictatorship in the 60s admittedly by Bill Clinton. This is insulting. -- Leladax ( talk) 23:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
No mention is made of the affect of the Construction industry in period 1995 to 2007 and Asset prices (perhaps a bubble). Somebody should add something in this direction and the effect on GDP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.151.108 ( talk) 12:48, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I also believe that mention needs to be made of the economy between 1950 and 1965, between 1965 and 75 and between 1975 and 90. Also need to discuss war and pre-war economy at least to 1900 with a paragraph for the period 1821 to 1900. Note that the greek nation has been bankrupt a number of times in its history. Focus on national debt is essential in this topic.
See also https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gr.html The Economy Overview "Greece is a major beneficiary of EU aid, equal to about 3.3% of annual GDP. The Greek economy grew by nearly 4.0% per year between 2003 and 2007, due partly to infrastructural spending related to the 2004 Athens Olympic Games, and in part to an increased availability of credit, which has sustained record levels of consumer spending. But growth dropped to 2% in 2008. The economy went into recession in 2009 and contracted by 2%, as a result of the world financial crisis, tightening credit conditions, and Athens' failure to address a growing budget deficit, which was triggered by falling state revenues, and increased government expenditures." and other details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.151.108 ( talk) 12:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Greece's Gross Domestic Product - GDP US$ 305.005 billion (2010 estimate) GDP (Purchasing Power Parity)- 322.555 billion US$ (2010 estimate ) [13]
http://nowandfutures.com/d2/Top50_CDS_Gross_notional20081031.htm
Turkey holds most of the CDS assets in the world. Do the math. -- Athinker ( talk) 13:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
If the budget deficit is listed as -$34.5 billion, doesn't that mean they have a budget surplus of +$34.5 billion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.215.193 ( talk) 23:21, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I've just uploaded this chart that I've just created.GDP and Debt timeseries start at 1970;Deficit at 2000. Should I add it in somewhere (in example after the "History of government debt and deficit (1999-present" table) or are there any objections?? Thanatos| talk 00:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The reliability of this article is questioned because some references are not reliable (for example are from sites and newspapers) and also some data are not updated, for example the deficit today is - 6.9 and not - 9.5 that the article predicts for 2011--- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 688dim ( talk • contribs) 23:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I believe the people working on the article are doing a generally acceptable job, but I don't like the excessive use of skai.gr as a source. This website, and the newspaper Kathimerini (both controlled by the Alafouzos family of shipowners) may be serious-looking, but they can't be considered objective, as they support an extreme and fundamentalist Thatcherist-Reaganite-neoliberal agenda, and their articles are full of bias towards everything having to do with government and civil servants; basically, if something is state-owned, it's horribly inefficient, they say. So, I recommend stopping the use of this website as a source, or trying to counter-balance it by providing more diversified sources, sympathetic to more progresive/socialist positions, in order for the reader to hear the other side of the story. Also, the claims made by Jason Manolopoulos can't be taken as a gospel. I am particularly disappointed with the section based on Manolopoulos' book, full of gems like "the reality of economics" or "dynastic dysfunctional politics", and it should be removed Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης ( talk) 16:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Would anyone be able to extend or increase the x axis of this graph so the years can be seen more clearly? [14]. At the current state, it is a bit hard to look at analytically (especially the eurozone period) due to there being over 50 years. In comparison, this graph looks a lot clearer since it goes over only 11 years: [15]. Kind regards. Calaka ( talk) 05:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
The double standard is obvious. When one of the "superior" countries has a problem, it's the "bankers". When a south european country has it, it's the "lazy pigs". That's some nazi shit right there. -- 195.74.250.209 ( talk) 01:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, when a country like the United States, Britain, Australia, Japan, or Germany has a problem, it probably most likely "IS" the bankers and the regulations they are allowed to have and follow. When a country like Greece has a problem, well.., their banks never ranked high in the world so it probably is the workers or the citizens of that country. That's not Nazism, or hatred toward Greece, it may just be a fact, that's all. -And on another subject, Greece's current economy is in shambles but this article, entitled "Economy of Greece", doesn't seem to touch on that as much as I would have expected it to. That section on its current economy was no longer than the other sections. And the section about "Maritime Industry" doesn't belong here. That belongs under the article of Greece itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 ( talk) 20:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
It seems to me that the content on this page regarding Greece's 2010-2011 debt crisis is very extensive, and deserves its own article. I think it creates the wrong impression of Greece's economy, as it dominates the page. I have tried to introduce a number of new sections to the article (agriculture, telecommunications, shipping, tourism etc) and plan to add more (banking, construction industry, mining, and others), but I think that the debt section is far too long. Would anyone else agree that we should split it into its own article? -- Philly boy92 ( talk) 12:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Half of it has been wrote off, in part of it. -- 194.219.30.55 ( talk) 22:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
This edit "This led to claims that italy had not actually met all five accession criteria"(emphasis mine) by 98.142.192.4 was of course not appropriate when taken as is. So it had been reverted to this "This led to claims that Greece had not actually met all five accession criteria" by Tgeairn as being factually erroneous. Well,I've made a "synthesis" of edits, having added references.Now it reads "This led to claims that Greece (as well as claims about other European countries like Italy[47]) had not actually met all five accession criteria".Btw it has already been mentioned elsewere in the article(2010–2011 debt crisis section).So it's anything but wrong and also I don't think it's wrong covering it more and providing more references... P.S.Country M=Italy,at least that's what's most people say... ;-) Thanatos| talk 09:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Burgas–Alexandroupoli pipeline, which will transport oil from Russia to Bulgaria, Greece and then Europe and North America,[103] is an €800 million investment of which 23.5% comes from Greek companies[103] and another 1% by the Greek state.
The Burgas–Alexandroupoli pipeline On 7 December 2011, Bulgarian government officially decided to terminate its participation in the project and proposed to the tripartite inter-governmental agreement to be terminated at mutual consent http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=134623
Remove that project is dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.253.247.219 ( talk) 19:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I have noticed that for over a month now the article's rating has received 1 box for each of the categories, i.e. rating it as extremely POV and untrustworthy. I hardly think that the article in its present form deserves such a low rating, especially since it presents a much more spherical view of the Greek economy than it did a year ago. Is there any way we can see if there is any vandalism going on? If its not vandalism, would those people care to point out what is wrong in the article so it can be fixed? -- Philly boy92 ( talk) 15:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The page's rating at the bottom of the page is 5 stars across all five categories, should we nominate the page as a "good article"? It's come a long way since last year, and I believe it portrays a holistic view of the Greek economy; something that most economy pages don't do. It certainly does not deserve either a "start" or "c class" rating in my opinion. Thoughts? -- Philly boy92 ( talk) 23:42, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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The following is my issues with the article. I have quoted portions of the article and I recommend using ctrl + 4 to search for these quotations in the article:
I don't understand the table in the section "Trade and investment". The caption says, imports and exports in 2008 are compared to 2011. Yet the table only seems to show 2011 figures. Also the numbers aren't consistent with the info box at the top right of the whole article. The box states, Greece's main export partners are "Germany 11.11%, Italy 11.05%, Cyprus 7.28%, Bulgaria 6.74%, US 4.95%, UK 4.4%, Turkey 4.23%". The table otoh says, main export partner is Denmark with a value that's about 9% of the total. 77.186.72.148 ( talk) 19:48, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
If you Heptor (or anyone else) want to delete the aforementioned sentence please, kindly explain to us to why it's irrelevant and content-free;with references please.
Greece has severe endemic-local economic problems but this doesn't mean that these problems are totally irrelevant to or isolated from the world outside Her.
As an example of the global crisis hitting Greece hard, see drastic decline of exports of goods (www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/exports) or tourism revenues-receipts (www.tradingeconomics.com/greece/international-tourism-receipts-us-dollar-wb-data.html) during the discussed period.
P.S.I have just discovered that for
some strange and unknown reason, tradingeconomics.com is in wikipedia's blacklist-spamlist, therefore I had to delete the http part and so on not being able to create (real external) links;that's why the internet addresses are in the above form.
Thanatos|
talk 16:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Source: http://www.presidency.gr/wp-content/uploads/SuskepshPolitikwnArxhgwn15.5.12.pdf (Prime Minister of Greece at the time of the PSI) -- 193.92.225.229 ( talk) 00:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Fitch Ratings-London-17 May 2012: Fitch Ratings has downgraded Greece's Long-term foreign and local currency Issuer Default Ratings (IDRs) to 'CCC' from 'B-'. The Short-term foreign currency IDR has also been downgraded to 'C' from 'B'.
http://www.fitchratings.com/creditdesk/press_releases/detail.cfm?pr_id=750064&cm_sp=homepage-_-FeaturedContentLink-_-Learn%20More — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.253.33.182 ( talk) 00:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm surprised Greece still has a notable economy. I thought it was going to leave the euro or something? 192.12.88.41 ( talk) 07:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
a.I've deleted the older pre PSI data from the Infobox;they are imo no more relevant,they have no place being inside the infobox.Outside the infobox and inside the article of course no argue that they are very significant.
b.I've also updated to latest debt data,id est of June 2012 (referenced using official Hellenic Republic's Public Debt Bulletin) but I've left the older %GDP estimates unchanged since there is no relevant reference-estimate based on the former that I know of.This creates a minor problem regarding references format; I've seperated them and placed them inside parantheses and small tag so that it's clear that they differ,that they refer to different numbers.
Does anyone object to the former (deletion of pre PSI data inside infobox) or the latter(format of references,id est being small,inside parentheses and in different places for Public Debt(absolute) and Public Debt(%GDP))?
P.S. On the latter I propose leaving , for the sake of clarity, the format as it is now until we have a newer more relevant %GDP estimate&reference but I wouldn't seriously object to changing back to normal format (normal size,outside parantheses,packed together) for the sake of homogeneity of appearance if other editors don't like my change.
P.P.S. I also propose updating the Public Debt Bulletin latest reference I've now created, every time a new one gets published (about every three months).
P.P.P.S. I've also now changed the average gross and net salaries inside the infobox.Their references now point to "serious" sources(OECD and Eurostat) but no longer to pdfs;instead they link to dynamic tables that have to be set manually in order to show the data on Greece and relevant variables.Note also that 1.elsewhere on OECD I've read that the 2011 data on Greece are to be revised,so the gross number may have perhaps to be considered as provisional and 2. as they are from different sources and about different years etc (OECD and Eurostat(from EU-SILC), 2011 and 2010 respectively) there might be a significant gap between the two cited values greater(I think) than the "real" social contributions etc.
Thanatos|
talk 14:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted edits by an unresponsive single-purpose account (SPA) due to the massive changes in economic data and the removal of reliable sources and their replacement with unadjusted estimates from primary sources. The currency has also changed from euro to dollars. I find these changes unacceptable. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 19:12, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Regarding this edit summary, I fail to see the parallel. User:Αισχυλος was clearly a Turkish sockpuppet with a bone to pick, probably motivated by my edits over at Economy of Turkey. The reason I prefer the US dollar figures is because they are used across all such articles, with the notable exception of this one. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 15:06, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Mainly to user Farolif (but also to Aischylos (CIA Factbook specific)):
You know that the CIA Factbook isn't equivalent to reality, right? Both in what in includes and in what it doesn't.
It's not, you know,
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or
Encyclopaedia Galactica.
Not mentioning shipping in an article about the Greek economy because the CIA Factbook for some reason doesn't mention it (generally or in its latest version), is hardly rational.I'd dare say that including shipping in this case is a priori tested, verified and not falsified... ;-)
Perhaps you should read something like
this???
To all:
O tempora, o mores! CIA and Fact(s) (-book) in the same sentence, the CIA as the ultimate harbinger of truth and facts!! The End is really nigh! :D
Thanatos|
talk 07:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
"Finally, the most important Greek industry, shipping, is making huge gains establishing its prowess in the global market, being the biggest in the world, makes Greece a real global player. Shipping, which contributed by 4,5% to the country's ..."
"The Greek shipping industry, one of the largest in the world, accounts for more than 30 percent of the income derived from services. It is exempt from government control, unlike other"
"Greek shipping and List of ports in Greece The shipping industry is a key element of Greek economic activity dating back to ancient times. Today, shipping is one of the country's most important industries. It accounts for 4.5% of ..."
"Greek ships make up 70 percent of the European Union's total merchant fleet. Greece also has a large shipbuilding and ship refitting industry. Its six shipyards near Piraeus are among the biggest in Europe.
Since Greek shipping ranks on top of world shipping business in terms of tonnage and volume, it is of interest to have a closer look at Greek shipping finance."
<ref name="Pallis2007">{{cite book|author=Athanasios A. Pallis|title=Maritime Transport: The Greek Paradigm|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=hwklKYRn2rcC&pg=PA175|accessdate=14 April 2013|year=2007|publisher=Elsevier|isbn=978-0-7623-1449-2|page=175|quote=Since Greek shipping ranks on top of world shipping business in terms of tonnage and volume, it is of interest to have a closer look at Greek shipping finance.}}</ref>
Finally, the context of the conversation in this thread is the removal of the Greek shipping industry from the industries of Greece in the CIA factbook. So when you claim that I said that the World Factbook does not consider "shipping" to be an industry you did not understand the context of my statement. I have said repeatedly that the CIA factbook does not include the shipping industry of Greece as one of the Greek industries. There was no reason for me to claim anything more global and you should look at the context of the conversation which is the Greek shipping industry not the one of the Maldives or of Sri-Lanka.
Since my attempts to explain my recent edits in their corresponding summaries have fallen on deaf ears, I shall try bringing the subject up here. The number of citations for the inclusion of "shipping" as a "main industry" for Greece constitues citation overkill, and the subsequent attempt by Thanatos666 to merge the seven different citations into a single reference point does not seem to meet the requirement for a "good reason to keep multiple citations" as prescribed in WP:Citemerge. As it is, due to the persistent reversions by Thanatos666 & Dr.K., the reference list is too cluttered at the listing for "shipping". Farolif ( talk) 00:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Essays may represent widespread norms or minority viewpoints. Consider these views with discretion.
Why can't you find more recent references to support your own initial assertion? Or maybe the Greek shipping industry is, in fact, no longer the major player that it used to be, and you and many others are in critical denial about it?
Year | 2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 |
%GDP | 6.05 | 5.81 | 5.13 | 5.23 | 6.74 | 6.71 | 12.60 | 7.05 | 14.98 | 5.30 | 6.29 |
phrase from the bottom of the infobox, replacing it instead with in situ references.The way to do this is by removing this code
from the infobox. I wish we could also remove this text|cianame = gr
from inside the infobox, i.e. remove the whole bottom box, but as I understand it, it is unfortunately encoded in such a way at the template page itself that it cannot be removed; i.e. for it to be removed the template coding per se must be changed(I may try to have this changed if possible; I may have a talk in due time with people at the template's talk page;but this seems to probably be proven very hard to do, as this template is being used at many wiki-articles, so a coding change would need a lot of subsequent page-edits).All values, unless otherwise stated, are in US dollars
Thanatos|
talk 02:43, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
ADDENDUM: Both changes are
now possible as far as infobox-coding is concerned. In fact I've already done one of them: I've removed from the bottom of the infobox the statement that the US$ is the stated-presented currency (unless otherwise explicitly stated).It's up to us or you now, to make the second change possible, if that is aggreeable, desirable to you, that is... ;-)
Thanatos|
talk 08:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Can an article and link to the Without intermediaries movement be made ? See also
According to Tomáš Sedláček, Greece is recovering from the economic crisis and is introducing this new way of commerce into the economy. In addition, they also seem to embrace barter networks like TEM (currency), .... KVDP ( talk) 13:33, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Much of this article is based on data that goes back as far as 2008\9 or even before. In a few weeks time, some sections of this article will be based on 10 year-old data (2004 derived). This article is therefore no longer current and its heading needs to change to reflect that it is a reflection on historical economic circumstances, not current ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.162.85 ( talk) 05:08, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link ( http://www.macmap.org/QuickSearch/FindTariff/FindTariff.aspx?subsite=open_access&country=SCC300%7cGreece&source=1%7CITC) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by Greece. Visitors can easily look up market access information for Greece by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good 2) No registration is required to access this information 3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated
Thank you, Divoc ( talk) 15:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Should link this page to Greek Tragedy ... or perhaps Greek comedy ? ;-) 66.155.23.67 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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Infomato ( talk) 17:52, 26 August 2017 (UTC)== Tax Avoidance - Unattributed claim ==
The following under the Tax Avoidance section has no supporting references and therefore is an opinion only. References should be added or the text removed. "Actually the above mentioned study is the only of its kind. Greek businessmen doubt the myth of extra widespread tax evasion in Greece as it is known that all Greek business activity is heavily taxed with the excuse of tax evasion.Actually tax evaders in Greece are only parasitic occupations." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.142.212 ( talk) 17:48, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
A mid-2017 report indicated Greeks have been "taxed to the hilt" and many believed that the risk of penalties for tax evasion were less serious than the risk of bankruptcy. One method of evasion is the so-called black market, grey economy or shadow economy: work is done for cash payment which is not declared as income; as well, VAT is not collected and remitted.[197] A January 2017 report[198] by the DiaNEOsis think-tank indicated that unpaid taxes in Greece at the time totaled approximately 95 billion euros, up from 76 billion euros in 2015, much of it was expected to be uncollectable. Another early 2017 study estimated that the loss to the government as a result of tax evasion was between 6% and 9% of the country's GDP, or roughly between 11 billion and 16 billion euros per annum.[199]
The shortfall in the collection of VAT (sales tax) is also significant. In 2014, the government collected 28% less than was owed to it, about double the average for the EU; the amount of the shortfall that year was about 4.9 billion euros.[200] The DiaNEOsis study completed estimated that 3.5% of GDP is lost due to VAT fraud, while losses due to smuggling of alcohol, tobacco and petrol amounted to approximately another 0.5% of the country's GDP.[201] Peter K Burian ( talk) 17:54, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
See the article Tax evasion and corruption in Greece, which provides citations to numerous sources. Peter K Burian ( talk) 02:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
From that article: Tax evasion and corruption is a problem in Greece (guardian.co.uk Inman, Phillip (9 September 2012) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/09/greece-tax-evasion-professional-classes?CMP=twt_gu)
Primary Greek tax evaders are the professional classes (The Guardian. name="Ethnos Forodiafygi") (url= http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=22770&subid=2&pubid=29345 |script-title=el:Πτώση της φοροδιαφυγής στο 41,6% από 49% το τελευταίο εξάμηνο |year=2006 |publisher=Ethnos |accessdate=12 October 2011)
Tax evasion has been described by Greek politicians as "a national sport"—with up to €30 billion per year going uncollected. ( url= http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21565657-greek-tax-dodgers-are-being-outed-national-sport-no-more |work=The Economist |title=A national sport no more |date=3 November 2012) Peter K Burian ( talk) 02:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
•Revenue lost due to personal income tax evasion ranges from 1.9% to 4.7% of annual GDP. •An additional 3.5% of GDP is estimated to be lost due to Value-Added Tax (VAT) fraud. •Losses from alcohol, tobacco and fuel smuggling amount to about 0.5% of GDP. •For legal entities, revenue lost from tax evasion and tax avoidance is estimated at around 0.15% of GDP.
I updated the article with recent information from reliable sources such as Bloomberg and the New York Times:
A mid-2017 report indicated Greeks have been "taxed to the hilt" and many believed that the risk of penalties for tax evasion were less serious than the risk of bankruptcy. One method of evasion is the so-called black market, grey economy or shadow economy: work is done for cash payment which is not declared as income; as well, VAT is not collected and remitted. A January 2017 report[197] by the DiaNEOsis think-tank indicated that unpaid taxes in Greece at the time totaled approximately 95 billion euros, up from 76 billion euros in 2015, much of it was expected to be uncollectable. Another early 2017 study estimated that the loss to the government as a result of tax evasion was between 6% and 9% of the country's GDP, or roughly between 11 billion and 16 billion euros per annum.[198]
The shortfall in the collection of VAT (sales tax) is also significant. In 2014, the government collected 28% less than was owed to it, about double the average for the EU; the amount of the shortfall that year was about 4.9 billion euros.[199] The DiaNEOsis study completed estimated that 3.5% of GDP is lost due to VAT fraud, while losses due to smuggling of alcohol, tobacco and petrol amounted to approximately another 0.5% of the country's GDP.[200] Peter K Burian ( talk) 17:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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The section Trade mentions Denmark as number 1 Export destination in 2008. It must be Germany.-- Bornsommer ( talk) 18:48, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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Yesterday it was announced that the recession this year was at 8.2%, instead of 10-11%. It should be updated Gr19 ( talk) 13:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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