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The contents of the Plurality (church governance) page were merged into Ecclesiastical polity on 11 January 2013. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
On 11 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Church polity. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This may get merged into Polity (religious), or vice versa. Mangoe 11:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This article on Ecclesiastical Polity is riddled with incorrect information and missing many other bits of information. For instance, the names of the current list is not correct. It is not correctly titled Episcopal policy, for which Episcopal polity are we talking about? There is Prelatic Episcopacy and more correctly titled Presbyterial Episcopacy. Congregationalism is not even correct defined and should not even be the title of a major polity. Independency would be the more correct title to the third polity. But there is a huge difference between Independent Congregationalism and Independent Eldership which are governed differently from each other. Independent Congregationalism is invested in the Congregation and remains Independent while Independent Eldership's government is invested in the eldership while the church remains Independent. Then you are completely missing another polity which is called Erastianism which is that church government is supremely invested in a civil monarch of a nation. So this article should be changed. Any discussion? Coramdeo30 ( talk) 17:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)Coramdeo30
I made one edit to this page referencing the Church of God in Christ and Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship (historically Pentecostal and African American church bodies)regarding what is commonly known about their hierarchical structure and a source was demanded where there were none for similar assertions regarding other traditions.
How about some consistency from the theologians and scholars of Christian history please. ( DJ Black Adam ( talk) 19:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC))
Many American churches, and some of the largest, are independent (thus neither episcopal nor presbyterian in their polity) and have final authority vested in the pastor rather than in the congregation or the elders (thus not congregational polity). One example that has made an attempt to formalize this as an ecclesiology (calling it the "Moses model") is Calvary Chapel. Is there any scholarship on this idea? Is there a good name for it? Does anyone know how common it is among independent churches? It could be called "entrepreneurial" in that the church lives or dies based on whether it is able to attract people who will follow the pastor's vision, but I have no WP:RS to support that usage. -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 15:41, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Plurality (church governance) has been a stub for some time now, and would fit well as a section of this page. To facilitate development of both pages, and provide context for the source page, I recommend a merge. Some discussion has already occurred on the source page's talk page. -- JFHutson ( talk) 14:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Could someone add information on Quaker church govt? -- 2.98.118.248 ( talk) 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
There are no sources for the majority of the article. Most are from Plurality (church governance) from several years ago. The rest are citations for irrelevant individuals facts. -- Zfish118 ( talk) 07:12, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me like all the Major denominations classified as either Presbyterian or Congregational are in fact still Episcopal in terms of the local Congregation. Independent Baptists are in fact very strong believers in treating the Local Pastor like a Spiritual King over his Congregations. Basically I'm saying this distinctions needs to be acknowledged more. There are some small niche Churches that avoid this, like many House Churches or some Charismatic congregations.-- JaredMithrandir ( talk) 15:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 16:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Ecclesiastical polity → Church polity – Concision and recognizability. "Church" and "ecclesiastical" are exactly equivalent, but "church" is a more common term to the average user. According to Ngram, the two phrases are now roughly as common as one another, though "ecclesiastical" is more historically prevalent. Dirkwillems ( talk) 00:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 ( talk) 23:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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The contents of the Plurality (church governance) page were merged into Ecclesiastical polity on 11 January 2013. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
On 11 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Church polity. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This may get merged into Polity (religious), or vice versa. Mangoe 11:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
This article on Ecclesiastical Polity is riddled with incorrect information and missing many other bits of information. For instance, the names of the current list is not correct. It is not correctly titled Episcopal policy, for which Episcopal polity are we talking about? There is Prelatic Episcopacy and more correctly titled Presbyterial Episcopacy. Congregationalism is not even correct defined and should not even be the title of a major polity. Independency would be the more correct title to the third polity. But there is a huge difference between Independent Congregationalism and Independent Eldership which are governed differently from each other. Independent Congregationalism is invested in the Congregation and remains Independent while Independent Eldership's government is invested in the eldership while the church remains Independent. Then you are completely missing another polity which is called Erastianism which is that church government is supremely invested in a civil monarch of a nation. So this article should be changed. Any discussion? Coramdeo30 ( talk) 17:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)Coramdeo30
I made one edit to this page referencing the Church of God in Christ and Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship (historically Pentecostal and African American church bodies)regarding what is commonly known about their hierarchical structure and a source was demanded where there were none for similar assertions regarding other traditions.
How about some consistency from the theologians and scholars of Christian history please. ( DJ Black Adam ( talk) 19:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC))
Many American churches, and some of the largest, are independent (thus neither episcopal nor presbyterian in their polity) and have final authority vested in the pastor rather than in the congregation or the elders (thus not congregational polity). One example that has made an attempt to formalize this as an ecclesiology (calling it the "Moses model") is Calvary Chapel. Is there any scholarship on this idea? Is there a good name for it? Does anyone know how common it is among independent churches? It could be called "entrepreneurial" in that the church lives or dies based on whether it is able to attract people who will follow the pastor's vision, but I have no WP:RS to support that usage. -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 15:41, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Plurality (church governance) has been a stub for some time now, and would fit well as a section of this page. To facilitate development of both pages, and provide context for the source page, I recommend a merge. Some discussion has already occurred on the source page's talk page. -- JFHutson ( talk) 14:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Could someone add information on Quaker church govt? -- 2.98.118.248 ( talk) 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
There are no sources for the majority of the article. Most are from Plurality (church governance) from several years ago. The rest are citations for irrelevant individuals facts. -- Zfish118 ( talk) 07:12, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me like all the Major denominations classified as either Presbyterian or Congregational are in fact still Episcopal in terms of the local Congregation. Independent Baptists are in fact very strong believers in treating the Local Pastor like a Spiritual King over his Congregations. Basically I'm saying this distinctions needs to be acknowledged more. There are some small niche Churches that avoid this, like many House Churches or some Charismatic congregations.-- JaredMithrandir ( talk) 15:35, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 ( talk) 16:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Ecclesiastical polity → Church polity – Concision and recognizability. "Church" and "ecclesiastical" are exactly equivalent, but "church" is a more common term to the average user. According to Ngram, the two phrases are now roughly as common as one another, though "ecclesiastical" is more historically prevalent. Dirkwillems ( talk) 00:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 ( talk) 23:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)