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Given the tendency of conspiracy theorists and over-enthusiastic amateur political analysts to resort to less than academic methods, shouldn't this article be at least a little protected from anonymous editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.215.92 ( talk) 02:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Most of the locations listed as candidate Echelon stations are picked at random from the nearest conspiracy theory site, and they've almost all been unsourced for 9 months or so. Plenty of time for some evidence to gestate. Several of the sites listed were Iron Horse sites, which wasn't even intercept, but direction finding, and some were old WWII Y-sites. There are very few ground stations which can be reliably attributed to either Bamford or Campbell, probably the only credible sources.
With that in mind I'm going to trim it down to the first section only, most of the third section only contain hangers for the black helicopters anyway. Even the first section is OTT as a couple of the sites listed certainly aren't related, but that's not verifiable.
ALR 14:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I really don't think it is a good idea to be discussion potential/possible ECHELON locations on here at all. (Yes, I know the above comment is from 2007 -- I still don't think it's a good idea to have this info here.) WarFighter ( talk) 17:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Probably not but that would be editor ALR's problem. And it's not exactly like Wikipedia is written in secret code. Most likely the NSA and ECHELON can deal with anything put in its article. -- Wlmg ( talk) 18:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Regards to NSA (and ATT) this is a very long and very interesting article. It explains locations and operating details. The information may not fit anywhere (I don't know, it is above my pay grade) but it is awesomely interesting to read. Good thing that we are the good guys. We have awesome technology. Read this and report back on what you think:
Not sure why there is an NSA infobox in place for an international programme. Having a box for a single nation is monumentally misleading here. - SchroCat ( talk) 21:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Seriously, no mention of this? 14.202.186.241 ( talk) 01:00, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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La pagina andrebbe rivista: alcune fonti non sono oggettive, altre contraddicono l'esistenza stessa del programma negli anni 70 82.132.225.110 ( talk) 06:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, wanted to post in the Italian page. Please close 82.132.225.110 ( talk) 06:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
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Given the tendency of conspiracy theorists and over-enthusiastic amateur political analysts to resort to less than academic methods, shouldn't this article be at least a little protected from anonymous editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.215.92 ( talk) 02:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Most of the locations listed as candidate Echelon stations are picked at random from the nearest conspiracy theory site, and they've almost all been unsourced for 9 months or so. Plenty of time for some evidence to gestate. Several of the sites listed were Iron Horse sites, which wasn't even intercept, but direction finding, and some were old WWII Y-sites. There are very few ground stations which can be reliably attributed to either Bamford or Campbell, probably the only credible sources.
With that in mind I'm going to trim it down to the first section only, most of the third section only contain hangers for the black helicopters anyway. Even the first section is OTT as a couple of the sites listed certainly aren't related, but that's not verifiable.
ALR 14:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I really don't think it is a good idea to be discussion potential/possible ECHELON locations on here at all. (Yes, I know the above comment is from 2007 -- I still don't think it's a good idea to have this info here.) WarFighter ( talk) 17:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Probably not but that would be editor ALR's problem. And it's not exactly like Wikipedia is written in secret code. Most likely the NSA and ECHELON can deal with anything put in its article. -- Wlmg ( talk) 18:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Regards to NSA (and ATT) this is a very long and very interesting article. It explains locations and operating details. The information may not fit anywhere (I don't know, it is above my pay grade) but it is awesomely interesting to read. Good thing that we are the good guys. We have awesome technology. Read this and report back on what you think:
Not sure why there is an NSA infobox in place for an international programme. Having a box for a single nation is monumentally misleading here. - SchroCat ( talk) 21:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Seriously, no mention of this? 14.202.186.241 ( talk) 01:00, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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La pagina andrebbe rivista: alcune fonti non sono oggettive, altre contraddicono l'esistenza stessa del programma negli anni 70 82.132.225.110 ( talk) 06:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, wanted to post in the Italian page. Please close 82.132.225.110 ( talk) 06:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)