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You can't be a political candidate for office who has made a career out of defending outright homophobia and transphobia and not have your work for an anti-gay hate group discussed in the lede of your Wikipedia biography. It may be inconvenient for Wardlow, but he made that choice. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 16:15, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
SPLC characterization of Wardlow does indeed belong in an encyclopedic article, however, their further analysis should not extend out of an opinion piece, otherwise every written article would be worthy of Wikipedia entry. SPLC analysis does not belong in the summary section of any wikipedia page, it belongs in the ===views=== section to maintain neutrality of the article.
Koncurrentkat ( talk) 17:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Koncurrentkat ( talk) 18:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
It is becoming more clear this article will need a NPOV tag. You must keep to wiki policies on neutrality?
Depending heavily on a single source which also happens to be a self-published website by a group of civil rights attorneys may not be a reliable source for this purpose. It is actually a primary source. The sources that are needed here should be history books or newspapers.
The point is Yes one opinion of Wardlow is he is member of an ant-gay hate group, but the article keeps stressing this in an attempt to portray THIS is over again, and THIS is why the article does not abide by wiki NPOV policy. The article is supposed to be kept neutral for such an encyclopedia source as Wikipedia. Mention sure, even hi-light what the SPLC has stated, but not make it the repetitive theme of the entire article, when many Americans (let alone readers) simply do not agree with that SPLC's point of view. This is not a propaganda piece, its an encyclopedic article.
Koncurrentkat ( talk) 17:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Like Koncurrentkat said, SPLC's view of ADF certainly reflects the view of many Americans, but not all. See
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fake-news-from-the-splc-1507847385,
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/28/morris-dees-splc-trump-southern-poverty-law-center-215312, and
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/maajid-nawaz-splc-anti-muslim-extremist/505685/.
63.241.40.127 (
talk) 16:48, 23 October 2018 (UTC)63.241.40.127, 23 October 2018.
The article probably gives undue weight to his social conservatism, at the expense of everything else. The content on his social conservatism in the article is decent; the problem is little else is being covered. This is a very active politician, so we need to get this right. — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 00:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
"He undoubtedly cited discredited researchers, as discussed in the cited reliable sources. Mainstream medicine is unanimous in declaring transgender people to be a normal, healthy variation of human sexuality and diversity. Claims to the contrary are fringe theories which have been widely rejected by reliable medical sources. One may certainly be opposed to transgender people on religious grounds, but attempting to claim medical or scientific backing for those claims is entering a different realm, and that realm has been effectively discredited. Wardlow chose to enter the realm of science by citing junk science, and he cannot escape the consequences." NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 04:37, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Does the ADF section meet Wikipedia's standards for (1) factual accuracy and (2) neutrality?
63.241.40.127 ( talk) 13:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Should the article cover accusations [1] that Wardlow bullied others for being gay? Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:04, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
I disagree with the WP:BOLD changes made here, particularly the weakening and watering-down of the well-sourced material related to Wardlow's fringe beliefs about transgender people. I have reverted to a prior stable version and per WP:BRD, I request that they not be reinstated until consensus is reached. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 23:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
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You can't be a political candidate for office who has made a career out of defending outright homophobia and transphobia and not have your work for an anti-gay hate group discussed in the lede of your Wikipedia biography. It may be inconvenient for Wardlow, but he made that choice. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 16:15, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
SPLC characterization of Wardlow does indeed belong in an encyclopedic article, however, their further analysis should not extend out of an opinion piece, otherwise every written article would be worthy of Wikipedia entry. SPLC analysis does not belong in the summary section of any wikipedia page, it belongs in the ===views=== section to maintain neutrality of the article.
Koncurrentkat ( talk) 17:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Koncurrentkat ( talk) 18:09, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
It is becoming more clear this article will need a NPOV tag. You must keep to wiki policies on neutrality?
Depending heavily on a single source which also happens to be a self-published website by a group of civil rights attorneys may not be a reliable source for this purpose. It is actually a primary source. The sources that are needed here should be history books or newspapers.
The point is Yes one opinion of Wardlow is he is member of an ant-gay hate group, but the article keeps stressing this in an attempt to portray THIS is over again, and THIS is why the article does not abide by wiki NPOV policy. The article is supposed to be kept neutral for such an encyclopedia source as Wikipedia. Mention sure, even hi-light what the SPLC has stated, but not make it the repetitive theme of the entire article, when many Americans (let alone readers) simply do not agree with that SPLC's point of view. This is not a propaganda piece, its an encyclopedic article.
Koncurrentkat ( talk) 17:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Like Koncurrentkat said, SPLC's view of ADF certainly reflects the view of many Americans, but not all. See
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fake-news-from-the-splc-1507847385,
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/28/morris-dees-splc-trump-southern-poverty-law-center-215312, and
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/maajid-nawaz-splc-anti-muslim-extremist/505685/.
63.241.40.127 (
talk) 16:48, 23 October 2018 (UTC)63.241.40.127, 23 October 2018.
The article probably gives undue weight to his social conservatism, at the expense of everything else. The content on his social conservatism in the article is decent; the problem is little else is being covered. This is a very active politician, so we need to get this right. — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 00:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
"He undoubtedly cited discredited researchers, as discussed in the cited reliable sources. Mainstream medicine is unanimous in declaring transgender people to be a normal, healthy variation of human sexuality and diversity. Claims to the contrary are fringe theories which have been widely rejected by reliable medical sources. One may certainly be opposed to transgender people on religious grounds, but attempting to claim medical or scientific backing for those claims is entering a different realm, and that realm has been effectively discredited. Wardlow chose to enter the realm of science by citing junk science, and he cannot escape the consequences." NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 04:37, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Does the ADF section meet Wikipedia's standards for (1) factual accuracy and (2) neutrality?
63.241.40.127 ( talk) 13:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Should the article cover accusations [1] that Wardlow bullied others for being gay? Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:04, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
I disagree with the WP:BOLD changes made here, particularly the weakening and watering-down of the well-sourced material related to Wardlow's fringe beliefs about transgender people. I have reverted to a prior stable version and per WP:BRD, I request that they not be reinstated until consensus is reached. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 23:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)