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Hello all- There is disagreement between two editors, one an anonymous IP editor, the other CityOfSilver, regarding whether the word "gossip" should be wikilinked to the Gossip column article. I'm creating this section so they can discuss the issue if they like.
My 2¢: Despite my tendency to de-link common terms (see WP:OVERLINK), I think there may be a good argument for linking this term in this article, as I would guess that the term is much less familiar to readers today, especially younger readers, than it was in Kilgallen's time. That said, in my quick glance at the gossip column article, I found it sorely wanting of at least some copyediting. Eric talk 12:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Kilgallen's columns featured mostly show-business news and gossip, but also ventured into other topics, such as politics and organized crime.
However, it's difficult to find any reliable source about Kilgallen that doesn't describe her as a "gossip columnist", so it's baffling to me that the phrase doesn't appear in the article [edited to add:] with a wikilink to Gossip columnist. Schazjmd (talk) 13:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Although Kilgallen later became a gossip columnist and TV personality on the quiz show What's My Line, she had first gained acclaim as an investigative crime reporter and took up the mantle again in the wake of the Kennedy assassination. [1]
Pending any consensus on how to incorporate it into the article body, I've added Gossip columnist to See also. Schazjmd (talk) 23:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Today's additions of two Wikimedia Commons files give Dorothy Kilgallen a voice. Here is what she said reacting to the guilty verdict for Dr Sam Sheppard. These are her own words. She is well-known as a wordsmith. Editors here have dismissed one particular Kilgallen biographer as a conspiracy theorist and his books as fringe sources. They are right. Can Dorothy the wordsmith play a part in her own article? Other Wikipedia articles have digital scans from very old newspapers. The New York Journal-American article is one of them. Dorothy wrote for that newspaper. It's time for her article to include her own words. Waring Waning ( talk) 17:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Is a book a fringe source if it is published by PageTurner Books International? Here is how this publisher’s website describes the company.
Here is the Google Books page for the Dorothy Kilgallen book issued by PageTurner Books International. Brent Brant ( talk) 03:44, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be much on her personal life. It appears that the Mark Shaw book "The Reporter who knew too much" may cover this if somebody has access. For example the Johnnie Ray article includes:
According to lawyer and researcher Mark Shaw, Ray's relationship with Dorothy Kilgallen produced her youngest child Kerry Kollmar, whom her husband Richard Kollmar disowned after Kilgallen's death in 1965. In two books that Shaw has authored, he claims that Kilgallen remained faithful to her husband for 13 years, ignoring rumors of his extramarital affairs because she did not witness evidence of any of them during that time frame. After years of infidelity, Kollmar became careless, to the extent that in 1953 he brought a male lover into the third-floor master bedroom of his and Dorothy's new home, a five-story townhouse on Manhattan's East 68th Street. After Kilgallen caught the two men in a compromising position, she and Kollmar decided to stay married strictly for business. Their business included a talk radio show they broadcast from home every day that brought them large salaries and that promoted Broadway shows produced by Kollmar. "Dorothy and Dick", as their radio listeners knew them, discussed Ray's singing style on their program, according to a profile of Ray in the Saturday Evening Post edition dated July 26, 1952.
In 1954, Kilgallen gave birth to a baby boy who was photographed for magazines and newspapers with her holding him, never with a father. Decades later, Ray often mentioned Kilgallen to his manager Alan Eichler and remained devastated by her unexpected death in 1965. According to Eichler, Ray never spoke about or acknowledged the rumors that he fathered Kilgallen's third child. Throughout the 1980s when Eichler managed Ray, historians of popular music did not consider Ray important enough to research his private life, so Eichler was not familiar with the eyewitness accounts that Mark Shaw discovered years later, and Eichler did not ask Ray about possible fatherhood.
Some of this should probably be included here.
- SimonLyall ( talk) 22:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hello all- There is disagreement between two editors, one an anonymous IP editor, the other CityOfSilver, regarding whether the word "gossip" should be wikilinked to the Gossip column article. I'm creating this section so they can discuss the issue if they like.
My 2¢: Despite my tendency to de-link common terms (see WP:OVERLINK), I think there may be a good argument for linking this term in this article, as I would guess that the term is much less familiar to readers today, especially younger readers, than it was in Kilgallen's time. That said, in my quick glance at the gossip column article, I found it sorely wanting of at least some copyediting. Eric talk 12:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Kilgallen's columns featured mostly show-business news and gossip, but also ventured into other topics, such as politics and organized crime.
However, it's difficult to find any reliable source about Kilgallen that doesn't describe her as a "gossip columnist", so it's baffling to me that the phrase doesn't appear in the article [edited to add:] with a wikilink to Gossip columnist. Schazjmd (talk) 13:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Although Kilgallen later became a gossip columnist and TV personality on the quiz show What's My Line, she had first gained acclaim as an investigative crime reporter and took up the mantle again in the wake of the Kennedy assassination. [1]
Pending any consensus on how to incorporate it into the article body, I've added Gossip columnist to See also. Schazjmd (talk) 23:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Today's additions of two Wikimedia Commons files give Dorothy Kilgallen a voice. Here is what she said reacting to the guilty verdict for Dr Sam Sheppard. These are her own words. She is well-known as a wordsmith. Editors here have dismissed one particular Kilgallen biographer as a conspiracy theorist and his books as fringe sources. They are right. Can Dorothy the wordsmith play a part in her own article? Other Wikipedia articles have digital scans from very old newspapers. The New York Journal-American article is one of them. Dorothy wrote for that newspaper. It's time for her article to include her own words. Waring Waning ( talk) 17:13, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Is a book a fringe source if it is published by PageTurner Books International? Here is how this publisher’s website describes the company.
Here is the Google Books page for the Dorothy Kilgallen book issued by PageTurner Books International. Brent Brant ( talk) 03:44, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be much on her personal life. It appears that the Mark Shaw book "The Reporter who knew too much" may cover this if somebody has access. For example the Johnnie Ray article includes:
According to lawyer and researcher Mark Shaw, Ray's relationship with Dorothy Kilgallen produced her youngest child Kerry Kollmar, whom her husband Richard Kollmar disowned after Kilgallen's death in 1965. In two books that Shaw has authored, he claims that Kilgallen remained faithful to her husband for 13 years, ignoring rumors of his extramarital affairs because she did not witness evidence of any of them during that time frame. After years of infidelity, Kollmar became careless, to the extent that in 1953 he brought a male lover into the third-floor master bedroom of his and Dorothy's new home, a five-story townhouse on Manhattan's East 68th Street. After Kilgallen caught the two men in a compromising position, she and Kollmar decided to stay married strictly for business. Their business included a talk radio show they broadcast from home every day that brought them large salaries and that promoted Broadway shows produced by Kollmar. "Dorothy and Dick", as their radio listeners knew them, discussed Ray's singing style on their program, according to a profile of Ray in the Saturday Evening Post edition dated July 26, 1952.
In 1954, Kilgallen gave birth to a baby boy who was photographed for magazines and newspapers with her holding him, never with a father. Decades later, Ray often mentioned Kilgallen to his manager Alan Eichler and remained devastated by her unexpected death in 1965. According to Eichler, Ray never spoke about or acknowledged the rumors that he fathered Kilgallen's third child. Throughout the 1980s when Eichler managed Ray, historians of popular music did not consider Ray important enough to research his private life, so Eichler was not familiar with the eyewitness accounts that Mark Shaw discovered years later, and Eichler did not ask Ray about possible fatherhood.
Some of this should probably be included here.
- SimonLyall ( talk) 22:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)