the movies section seems uncessary as it provides no other information but just a list of titles. and these titles lead no where as there are no articles for them. It is MUCH better to include a section on INFORMATION about the Dominican Film industry, dictating recent progress in box office success of Dominican movies, as well as how the Dominican Republic is often used as a set location for Hollywood big production films, due to cheaper costs such as: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-04-05-diesel-dominican_x.htm
much Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl was also filmed Samana, DR : http://www.thomson.co.uk/editorial/features/filming-locations-iii.html
The pre-Revolutionary scenes of The Godfather: Part 2 were also filmed in the Dominican Republic: http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/g/godfather2.html
this would provide a MUCH more interesting section. Adreamtonight 09:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I've moved more of the old discussions that weren't seeing any debate to the archive, because this page was getting honking huge.-- Rosicrucian 16:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I thinuse of a difference in the power grid.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.187.181.174 ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC).
Um....they are 200 Circuits presently in the Republic which do not suffer from power outages!!..This is because the majority of residents of this circuits pay electricity in a good time. Those that do not pay electricity(30% of the nation) suffer of Great Power Outages. By the way, not all business get better electric services!! The Electrical companies(EDES=EDESUR-EDENORTE) of the country are helping to fix the electric problems of the country by making new plans to help the communities! 69.119.127.181 21:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Your numbers are clearly not accurate. You are trying to tell me that only 30% of the country does not pay for electricity? That is not correct. Of all of the Dominicans that I have met (hundreds), only 2 or 3 told me that they pay for electricity. The rest laughed at me when I asked them. "Que? pero NADIE paga la luz! Por que pagaria la luz si nunca hay?? Y e' facil!" I don't know about your 200 circuits number, but even if that's accurate, that's still a very small number. There's a different circuit for every few blocks. 76.8.217.50
Where I'm from in DR you got pay light if you don't you get a fine. Don't compare "Los Barrios" as Dominican Republic whole. And it a fact that there neighborhood that get light 24/7; those that sign contract saying that they pay there bills on time. Where I'm from you always had to pay, cause not a "barrio". AvFnx 04:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Look....Recently their was a law established(I dont know it's name yet and i dont have the sources clearly but i will get them soon) that said that Stealing Electricity is against the Law. Now presently the Country holds 200 Circuits(In DR, a Circuit is a whole wide neighborhood because is not like the United States{the U.S.A has smaller scaled circuits})...200 circuits is not alot But that number has grown alot. Before their was not a single circuit in DR that received 24 hour electrical Service and that means that the service has progressed. A lot of people in the "Poor" Outer areas of Towns and cities do not pay electricity and in the whole nation theirs around 30% of households that do not pay electricity yet but the number has gone doww. In Small towns that percentage is much higher but in Santiago and Santo Domingo almost everyone pays the Electricity now. Arroyo Hondo(Districto Nacional), Jarabacoa(2/3), Hato Mayor, El Seibo, La Trinitaria(Santiago), and other towns get a full service of Electricity. And By the way I am sorry to tell you, 76.8.217.50, that i think you have met the poor dominicans from the Barrios because my whole family that Lives In D.N(Santo Domingo) is forced to Pay Electricity 69.119.127.181 19:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but my experience just tells me that you are incorrect. I spent over a year in Santo Domingo in three different places - Herrera, Cristo Rey and Los Alcarrizos. Each of those three places has no more than 5% of people paying for electricity, and it's in those types of places where the population density is highest. I'm sure that places like Mirador or Villa Mella have more people paying for electricity, but barely anyone lives there, and not even Mirador (Samy Sosa has a house there, so that should tell you about the wealth of that place) has electricity 24/7. Yes, the place where most of the ambassadors live doesn't have light 24/7.-- 76.8.217.50 16:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
This section of the article really is pretty deceiving. I lived around the central-southwest portion of the country for a couple of years and I never had constant electricity. In fact, unless it was a holiday, I don't think I ever had electricity for an entire 24 hours! Granted, I never lived in the rich areas of the country (though I did live in a couple barrios in Santo Domingo like Bayona and near Los Ríos and Los Jardines), but then again, the rich don't really account for a very large percentage of the population. To represent figures that are true to only a portion of the population doesn't really seem to be very fair in an article about a whole country. And in fact, I never met anyone who was optimistic that the situation was going to improve in the near future, which is what the article currently leads the reader to imply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.99.208 ( talk) 05:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The electricity issue in this country is highly political and figures get twisted around a lot by the authorities. Unless you provide figures from a non governmental source showing 200 circuits that do not get blackouts and that only 30% of the country does not pay their electric bill then I'm gonna flat out disbelieve you. Mind you, I'm from La Romana and have been living in the D.N. since 2001. The sector where I live is supposedly blackout-free yet there are STILL blackouts every now and then. I'll grant you that in my sector their occurance and duration is far less than in other parts (like La Romana, which gets bombarded daily with 6-8 hour blackouts across the WHOLE town), but there are supposed to be NO blackouts in my area.
Then again, maybe we should check what dictionary the politicians are using for "blackout"?
And I, being a dominican, perceive next to no effort on behalf of authorities to correct this issue. It's simple: users need to PAY so that the service become sustainable. If the government starts cutting off electricity to homes where people don't pay (via its two state owned distribution companies) then it WILL become a major political issue for them. The middle classes, high classes and the government (via taxpayers of course) cannot continue to subsidize the cost of consumption of these free loaders because it is frankly abusive (people who don't pay for their electric bill are 10000x more likely to not conserve power, etc) and puts a [huge] strain on government finances.
Also, I remember an article long ago that stated that about 60% of people who lived in sectors where the electricity is subsidized - to the point where they have to pay like what? 100 pesos? - still don't pay their bill!!!!!!
Llorllale 22:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be a problem at this point.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2927670 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7871 http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2929220 I think it should be used or noted on the page. Any opinions? 199.219.144.52 17:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
What the hell does Steroids has to be in the Dominican Republic article?!!!go put it in some other page!!!do You see steroids being mentioned in the United States Article, where atlethes use it the most? I simply think there's no need for putting that! EdwinCasadoBaez 17:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Article says "SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- fuck you, who threw a no-hitter as a rookie with the St. Louis Cardinals in 1999, was one of two Dominican athletes removed from the Pan American Games on Saturday after they tested positive for banned substances. Jimenez, who had 41 saves for the Colorado Rockies in 2002, last pitched in the majors for the Cleveland Indians in 2004. He finished his career with 110 saves. Jimenez, who tested positive for anabolic steroids, turned 34 on Saturday. Boxer Rafael Fernandez Sosa were also banned by the Dominican Republic Olympic committee. Sosa had elevated levels of testosterone to epitestosterone in samples taken before the country's athletes traveled to Rio de Janeiro to compete in the games starting next week. "The athletes displayed an adverse result in the examinations that we made previous to the Pan American Games, [and for that reason] they are not eligible to attend," the Dominican Republic Olympic committee said a statement. " This is about Dominican athletes in Republica Dominicana 66.108.180.176 04:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree that steroid use should not be mentioned in this article, as it is a problem with all of major league baseball. There is not any reason to single out Dominicans. ( Jollyjeeves 05:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC))
This is like a solo shout out to dominicans i dont see that in the US article portal EdwinCasadoBaez 03:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I think someone should add the Caste System that was in place in the Dominican Republic under Spanish rule.
Slight problem in that there is no native american's in the dominican republic. only the illusion of indians. they were exterminated since early 1500's by the spaniards. that is a documented fact. 66.108.180.176 19:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes that system was used...but slightly....not to the same extent as to in South America due to the fact that the Natives in the Island of Hispaniola were not even civilized like the Mayas, or Incas!!!so i don't think inclusion for this info should be done!!!but if ya think it stills fits in the article...you could always include it! EdwinCasadoBaez 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
That is racist! Just because the Arawak didn't have pyramids does not make them uncivilized! Did the chinese pyramids? Did the Germans? Please watch what you say. Reading again; include it in the article with the notation that Arawak's became extinct. 66.108.180.176 04:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh...no i didnt mean it as racist!!what i mean, in DR the Casta System was not used a lot because tainos died in the beginning of Spanish encounter with them.. So the system was not as largely used in DR as in the Central American Civilization or anywhere else of spanish rule...Sorry if i did some racist writing.. EdwinCasadoBaez 22:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The native Tainos did not all die right away! The Casta system was in use for a long time (Gracias, album "Indios de Quisqueya"!). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.235.39.100 ( talk) 23:59:23, August 18, 2007 (UTC)
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (CNN) -- The Dominican Republic is a tourist paradise, and a drug runner's haven. More than 800 miles of stunning turquoise coastline used for snorkeling -- and smuggling. What's smuggled mostly is cocaine from South America, bound for the United States. And in recent years, it's been pouring in. The Dominican Republic's rocky coastline makes it difficult for anti-drug units to operate. [1 of 3 "The problem in the last two years is the amount of narcotics arriving in this country by air has increased exponentially," said Peter A. Reilly, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's supervisor in the Dominican Republic.] Officials say the number of flights carrying drugs onto Hispaniola, the island shared by both the Dominican Republic and Haiti, has gone up roughly four-fold in just four years and that about 10 percent of U.S.-bound cocaine is now shipped through Hispaniola. [1] 66.108.180.176 19:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
What you forget to mention is the Dominican government efforts to combat drug trafficking. Another point is that there should be a separate tourism section in the article. ( Jollyjeeves 05:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC))
I think the Crime section should be removed because it's negative for the image of DR. The Puerto Rico article doesn't have a crime section so why should this one have one? It's not fair! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward77x ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Crimes, for attention of tourists planning trip to DR:
Me and my husband were in DR recently, by departure on 04th October07 from Puerto Plata while routine security control at the airport to my highest surprice I was stolen money from my purse! At the begunning of security check all looked normal: this officer(who finally robbed me!) was checking my handbag by putting out some small items: sunglsses, book, handy, cosmetic bag etc and always asking me to do someting: either to turn on the handy or to open box with glasses etc -he was keepeing me all the time busy, at last I realized that he is keeping his hands too long in my bag(I am travelling by plane twice a month so I know how long the routine check takes!), when I received this bag back the purse which was inside was opened, I looked inside and it seemed to me all is O.K. (I still saw a note of 50USD I had there), but later, in the gate I realized that100EUR note that was stored in the side pocket of this purse was missing! It was too late to go back and to try to look for this officer, I am writting it to warn all tourist: please watch out, a fact that somebody wears an unform and represents certain authority does not mean in this country too much!
How come I do not see any small section in the article talking about the different languages in the Dominican Republic? Angel,Isaac 04:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean local dialects? Or actual languages such as Spanish and Samana English? Omar 20:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
What?! What other languages are you talking about? Spanish is the one and only official language, there is simply no other widely spoken tongue to be of any type of significance. Although if rampant Haitian illegal immigration doesn't abate we might have to consider Creole at some point.
Samaná and San Pedro are known for their local English but A) The generation (from the smaller Antilles) that brought it as their first language has mostly died and B) The nature of that English is not distinctive from a grammatical point of view to qualify as a dialect. It is mostly distinctive in local color and flavor, not in structure. Philosopher2king 00:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Moved more inactive discussion from June to the talk archives.-- Rosicrucian Talk 16:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6228731/
I disagree with the inclusion of baseball being the most popular sport in the DR, and then going on to say "as it is in cuba and the US." Baseball is not the most popular sport in the US currently (Football is), and there is no need to include the quoted sentence.
I disagreed with a few things stated in the music section. 1. Elvis Crespo is noone to be considered anything in merengue. In dominican republic, he is no one just another person who got some success and then fell off. & then especially to link him with the movement of merengue into the US. Now that's outrages. This artist made one cd the was good, the 2nd was ok, and the 3rd blew. All three cd's have similar musical arragement. He's the puerto rican version of Jon Secada. I bet they're hagging out right now wondering why there career went down the drain....
2. Yes bachata has grown out to reach other countries other than dominican. But to credit the growth, sorry but i dont think so.
I feel that if you going to talk about the music of one's country. Stick to the founders and the one's whole truly push the music to where it's at today. Please removed all this garbage and replace it with what is displaced in the linked for Dominican Music. Sorry but Elvis is a small dust compare to everyone else in the industry. Malafe82 06:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=24079 64.131.205.111 18:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
How do I tag an image that it is something that I took? UnclePaco 01:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
if you go to spanish instead of inglesh and you type republica dominicana thats dominican republic in english you find great pictures of D.R. can somone please incorparate these pics i dont know how lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 13:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
300px|right|thumb|Parque Colón
300px|right|thumb|Parque Colón
400px|left|thumb|Sector de piantini
can someone clean the part of the u.s treaty of control please —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I probably don't need to state this, obviously Santo Domingo was not the first capital city in the Americas, e.g. Teotihuacan, Tenochtitlan, Cuzco, Chan Chan etc. However it was the first capital city of a European colony within the Americas. Therefore the language "first colonial capital" is more accurate regarding Santo Domingo's historical status. WaynaQhapaq 23:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD —Preceding
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It was the First European Permanent Settlement in the Americas EdwinCasadoBaez 14:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/dominican%20republic/dominicancreoles.htm
149.68.105.27 13:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.libertadlatina.org/Car_Haiti_Aids_Stalks_Children_04-08-2004.htm
149.68.105.27 14:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
One was the DR parade in ny to show the large amount of DR's outside of DR.
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Dr. José Francisco Peña Gómez a strong Dominican leader! UnclePaco 04:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
If You read over the Demographics section you would notice that it is the longest Section in this whole article. Half of the Dominican Republic Article focuses in problems with Haiti or interaction with Haiti. I Dont Think the Spaniard( Spain) article focuses in portugal or France or neither does the United States article focus so much in it Neighbor Problems with Mexico or others. We Should try adding more infon less based in Race, color, or what ever else that has to be with discrimination. This article simply talks about Dominican Relations with other country instead of Focusing in the Long History Of the Dominican Republic, Juand Bosch, Juaquin Balaguer, Politics, Sports Like Baseball with a Larger Section including the Caribbean Professional Baseball Series and things like Cuisine which can be expanded EdwinCasadoBaez 14:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
In the Demographics section, people should make note that the 73% mixed race population can be either biracial or triracial. Not exclusively triracial like some have put forth to be. The mixed race section of the population can be white and Taino Indian alone, but not black. Others can be white and black, but not Taino. —Preceding
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Politics section should be changed to a more standard name, Government. There we can explain the Dominican Government and politics at the same time EdwinCasadoBaez 22:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Just make two sections. They are different enough. UnclePaco 01:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
i moved some pictures and i added some tell me if you dont like it —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Jehovah's Witness are not Protestants.
This article states adventist and JW as the largest protestants in the DR. That is wrong. There are far more Pentecostals and Baptist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.101.146 ( talk) 23:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
http://dr1.com/articles/chinese.shtml . Should be included in the article. YoSoyGuapo 21:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
We don't have much information on the DR page about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Dominican_Republic UnclePaco 22:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
A steroids portion in the sports section for Dominican Republic is very necessary. It is a huge issue in the Dominican Republic from one of it's favorite past times. I'm going to have this section placed in. I have included quite a few articles to suppor this. Some based in the United States while others are Dominican websites.
Why is it that more than half of the players test positive for steroids in Major League baseball are dominican? [4] [5]
This is a huge percentage when you consider According to statistics compiled by the commissioner's office, 23.5 percent of the 829 major league players on opening-day rosters and disabled lists were born in Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Mexico or Venezuela. [6] It is also quoted that over 80% of young dominican baseball players use steroids. [7]
In the dominican republic it is illegal to fire someone for testing positive for drugs. [8] "Myra Sung, a spokeswoman for Hispanics Across America, said it believed the percentage would soar if baseball tested for diamino, a supplement given to horses and cows but used by teenagers because it is cheaper than steroids and more easily obtained in the Dominican Republic." [9] [10]
149.68.98.175 16:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok here is an article It can be built from here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_Usage_Amongst_Domincan_Athletes CubanoDios 16:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
It funny how people try say Dominican baseball player are the ones that use the most Steroids but the article came out and only two were name, and Tejada is allege, is he/she says thing right now. Yes there will be lot Dominican, but yet again there lot Dominican in baseball, after California (look at each state as country), most players comes Dominican Republic. AvFnx ( talk) 01:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
can someone add an education part in the dominican republic the page needs it —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
done
UnclePaco 02:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
President Leonel Fernandez signed law 389-07 on 11/21/2007 ( Spanish link and English link) changing the name of the Salcedo Province to 'Hermanas Mirabal'. Should we leave the name untranslated or should we call it 'Mirabal sisters'?-- Bequw ( talk) 19:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Ultimately should be down with Immigration which also discusses the issue in detail. Suspect there's a fair amount of redundancy between the two sections, so I moved Haitian Stateless down below Immigration so they can be compared and reconciled.-- Rosicrucian Talk 22:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
merge, make haitian stateless a subsection, that's fine. UnclePaco ( talk) 06:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Some dictator trying to remove quotes on the pretext of 'improper formatting'
--endangered sentence start-- So it's really a matter of Haitians actively refusing their own legal nationality ( Jus sanguinis) in order to obtain a better living Dominican citizenship. --sentence end--
threat quoted (anonymous, obviously): <!--isn't this OR? I think it should be rephrased, at least, or else removed-->
my reply: "or else removed"? who are you? Dirty Harry??? there aren't two statements, so demanding to add a logical conjunction operator (AND, OR, IF, THEN, ELSE...) is jeeve-talking pretext just to remove this properly-formated last sentence. Reformat it yourself, and don't you dare to remove it. You don't have irrefutable proof that this last sentence is a misquote (lie). Also, in order for you to perform your medieval inquisition, you are first required to debunk every previous external quote on this paragraph (which you can't, since luckily Wikipedia is based on external quotes, not your personal passion or hypothesis).
NOTE: Also I agree that the above mentioned original merger was just an inexcusable pretext to dilute the sub-article, to strip away any traces of external quotes. Then, in short time, it will also 'legally' exclude everything, since Wikimedia rules require that the articles be substantiated with external quotes, which, I agree, are more than plenty. -- Flurry ( talk) 14:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This part should either be moved to the Haiti wiki page or trimmed to encyclopedic value to article. It extends too much into Haitian issues regarding the status of that country and obligues too much into a pane based on the POV of contributors. Trimming must be done so that the related data can become of encyclopedic value to article sooner rather than later... Reynaldopichardo ( talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reynaldopichardo ( talk • contribs) 13:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Please make sure to accurately describe what you are doing when you make that significant a revision. You did not "move section over" so much as revert ten revisions to continue your edit war with Avfnx. As a result, you managed to remove a number of accurate good-faith edits that had improved the article. I do not think your latest edit served the article very well, and though you have accused others of working without consensus, your edits have been rather disruptive and without consensus themselves.-- Rosicrucian Talk 01:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dominican_Republic/RacialSelfIdentification_debate UnclePaco ( talk) 03:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Rather than deal with the big mess that is that conglomerate debate, here are the points I would like to make.
I think that until these three things are addressed, the article doesn't hang together nearly as well.-- Rosicrucian Talk 04:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Im adding the castesystm back on the article, it was a big part of latin america and yes DR did have the same caste system and the ral fact is that the Tainos didnt become extinct until the late-mid 1800s so dont be supriesed if some are still alive! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs)
http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata55.htm UnclePaco 20:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Taino's died out in hispanola. [ [11]] They existed in PR! UnclePaco 20:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that this section should be completely eliminated of this article; if you want, you could make another article dealing with this subject. The classification shown is racist and old, even is not included in the only reference of the section. And that reference is from a comercial website and very old, in Internet terms, and uploaded by Roland Soong (who is he?). Many terms are unknown in the DR and that system was not used in Haiti, for example, part of the Hispaniola and Latin America (yes, Haiti is part of Latin America).
If anybody want to write something about the "caste system" in the Dominican Republic, then use Dominican sources, and not Mexican or South American. And better, use the information of Population Genetics and not racist and obsolete terms.
I am sorry that I do not modify (or eliminate) that section but I prefer to work in the Spanish Wikipedia, where I am the user Jmarcano. Will somebody dare to eliminate, to modify this section or create a new article that could be used in all Latin American with updated information? -- 66.98.78.51 ( talk) 22:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
In the History section, there are too many informations that are not completely true, and even false. I have seen that, for a blocked article, some people keep writing and nobody is correcting. I do not want to become a user, for now; I am already a user (Jmarcano) in the Spanish Wikipedia.
I am going to mention some points:
The first paragraph of the section says: "of which Haiti occupies the western third". Why not transfer that sentence to the Haiti article? In the Dominican Republic article, it should say: "of which the Dominican Republic occupies the eastern two thirds". In the same paragraph, it says "founding the settlement of La Navidad". Why settlement? It was only a small fortress (most likely a house) for those men that could not return to Spain because there was not room for them on the 2 remaining ships. A fortres (or a house) has never been a settlement. By the way, the La Navidad article has a lot of hearsay and misinformations, too.
Second paragraph: why Queen Anacaona? Why queen? She became a "cacique" after the death of her husband, Cacique Anacaona; queen (or king) was not an Arawak concept. I have hear that now in Voudou they say Queen Anacaona but I am not completely sure. And, as far as I know, se did not fight agains the Spaniards; it was the excuse of Nicolás de Ovando. If we say that she fought against the Spaniardas, then we are saying that Ovando, as conqueror, had reasons to hang her.
In the same second paragraph, why Cacique "Henry"? Why not his name "Enriquillo", or his Taino name, Guarocuya? It is very confusing to say Henry. And is completely false that the town associated with the fight of Enriquillo is Anse a Pitres, a small town that I love and where I have many friends. In any case, put the reference. Oviedo wrote about the "Sierra de Pedernales" but that mountain range is called now "Sierra Martin Garcia", between the Barahona and Azua provinces, too far away from the modern city of Pedernales, across the border from Anse a Pitres.
The word "zambo" appears in this paragraph (see above for muy comments on this racist classification); in the Dominican Republic, zambo meas "with curved legs (knock-kneed)". An about 17% of the genes in the general Dominican population (I don't know in Haiti) comes from the Taino (Alvarez Perello, Jose. La mezcla de razas en Santo Domingo y los factores sanguineos. Eme-Eme, vol II, No. 8, Sept.-Oct. 1973. UCMM. Santiago).
The next paragraph, "For much of the twentieth century..." is in a wrong place. -- 66.98.79.207 ( talk) 21:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The first (and new) paragraph of the subsection "Creation of the Republic" seems to be part of the history of Haiti and not of the Dominican Republic. Even so, it is full of errors. It was not Toussaint Louverture who gave the name of Haiti; it was Dessalines. It is true that Louverture took Santo Domingo but it was on the name of France; when the Haitians tried to keep the eastern part, the French had to fight. Santo Domingo reverted to Spanish rule in 1809, when the French left the island. I have not checked the Enciclopedia Britannica but if it says in 1810, it is wrong, and there are too many documents and books to testify that it was in 1809.
Then comes the subsection Caste System. I do not see any valid reason to have it here; I have checked all other Latin American countries and there is not anything like this. And it is racist system developed by the conquerors in South America and not in the Hispaniola. Regarding Marabou, it is word completely unknown in the Dominican Republic; and worst, it says that about half of the populatin in modern day Dominican Republic is marabou! Is it a fact or a dream? So we are marabou without knowing what is that! Please use a non-racist, modern, system to classify popuplations and develop a new article that could be used for all countries.
The first paragraph of the next subsection says that the War of Restoration was led by generals: Ulises Heureaux and Gregorio Luperón. It was written by somebody that does not anything of Dominican history. Luperón was very young when the war began and distinguished himself just at the end of that war, in the east front. Heureaux was completely unknown at that time, he was too young. But students of elementary schools know that the leaders of the war were Santiago Rodríguez, Benito Monción, Pepillo Salcedo, José Cabrera, Pimentel and others. We even have a province named after Santiago Rodríguez.
And it says "The Restoration was proclaimed on August 16, 1865". That is completely wrong. The initial "cry" for the Restorarion was in August 16, but in the year 1863!
About Heureaux, it only says that he "was of Haitian origin"; it says nothing about his methods and his governments. He was a dictator who killed many people. Later, in the subsection 1930 to 1980, it says that Trujillo "was himself a quarter Haitian". I do not see why to put those phrases in this article; they would be ok in their biographies, not here. But it is very dangerous because we might think: Heureaux and Trujillo were criminal dictators, both were of Haitian origin, then people with Haitian ancestors are...
Well, I do not want to extend more these observations but, in my opinion, if things like the mentioned above are not corrected and if more people without knowledge of Dominican history are left to write in this article (a blocked article!), then it will be a useless article, and harmful even for Wikipedia in general. And, please, when you unblock the article so a person could write, check if there are the needed references. -- 66.98.78.83 ( talk) 23:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I updated the population and the population density. The DR now has more than 9.7 million people and 201 people per sq km.
After further research I have also updated the GDP PPP. It is now US$100.6 billion and US$10,300 per capita.
Can someone add more to the Dominican Military and Population it needs more information on those topics so can someone please do that thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
please can someone fix the caste system theres many things wrong with it —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
you'll be ABLE TO FIND more information about hispanola the island than dominican republic concerning the caste system but i did add some references. UnclePaco ( talk) 17:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
i am in the process of making this more unique to DR thanks (Edit Summary by UnclePaco)
here is another article .
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3821/is_200404/ai_n9399394
UnclePaco (
talk) 01:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
more... http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/domrep/domrep0402-02.htm http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:UWzF4Xj3dLAJ:www.afrigeneas.com/forum-world/index.cgi%3Fnoframes%3Bread%3D95+dominican+republic+color+caste&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
UnclePaco ( talk) 01:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed a huge amount of edit warring and use of personal attacks on this particular article. I'd like to create a listing of those blocked as a result of edit warring and use of sockpuppets and meatpuppets. [ [13]] I think this will be important in future cases due to the large amounts of vandalism on this article. UnclePaco ( talk) 08:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Luciano555
[14] sockpuppet blocked due
[15] to personal attacks on myself.
UnclePaco (
talk) 08:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
BigGabriel555
[16] Edit Warring.
UnclePaco (
talk) 08:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Questionable EdwinCasadoBaez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/EdwinCasadoBaez UnclePaco ( talk) 05:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Now that you like point out some many people I block by mistake, even the one that block me admit it...basically I got set up some how...Doesn't anyone find it weird, that anyone with a Neutral or even Pro-Dominican ideas get checks left and right, while those with there Pro-Haiti agenda keep making this article more about Haiti everyday. AvFnx ( talk) 01:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason this section was removed? There was no edit summary to explain why, and no discussion on removing it.-- Rosicrucian Talk 02:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
This article is too long and still it is incomplete. Many informations have to be eliminated because they are wrong or they could be better in another article. And who is BigGrabriel555? He is making difficult to edit the page because he keep adding more wrong information; when I go to his User page, nothing! But in his (or her) Talk page you could see that he has been blocked many times; but still he can edit (in a blocked article). Why? -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 00:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide5.htm THE ABORIGINES OF THE ANCIENT ISLAND OF HISPANIOLA http://forests.org/archive/general/columbus.htm http://pine3.info/Barbecue%20Heritage.htm http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/amholocaust-5.html UnclePaco ( talk) 07:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Very disputed information but there but information about it can be found in quite a few sources. It could go into a disputed section of history. saw a few of these discussed earlier
in english
UnclePaco ( talk) 07:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This again, no there no place for this...it been talk about already, no one see the point of this...so if i write a book the world is flat, then i should be given it all section huh!
AvFnx (
talk) 02:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
here is another article which shows a similiar point of view.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3821/is_200404/ai_n9399394
UnclePaco (
talk) 01:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
That got nothing do w/ one other, the first saying we inspire the KKK, the other saying we don't call ourself mulatto...by the way i do. It seem people then to talk w/ out knowing my country history and culture. AvFnx ( talk) 03:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please add that there are jamaicans in DR there are 29,000 Jamaicans in the Dominican Republic acordding to this site http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php (To see the data go to were it says "View:select data prespective" then go to where it says people by country, when you get there go to Dominican Republic on where it says country and then go to the peoples that you want see it will tell you how many of those people are living in DR), the same site say there are 1,200 British, 87,000 Spaniards and 800 Germens and MUCH MORE info about peoples In Dominican Republic that SHOULD be ADDED! also can you not write "some" taino blood in dominican republic and haiti because on wikepedias article of "Indians" they show a factual graph by the world factbook that shows that in DR between 40-61% of the population have Native American(Taino) blood and 1% is full Native American as well it says that between 20-35% of Haitians have Native American(Taino) blood. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE FIX THIS!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs)
Hold On...It doesnt matter wether DR would want to include transit wokers this is a fact and should be added this is an article that has to include what oes on in the nation and the people that are in it, which includes Jamaicans! also if you think that it would be as high as 26% which is a bit too high is you ask me then it shoulb stated that even though the percentage of blacks in DR is 11% there are higher numbers of both legal and ilegal imigrants and workers in DR ( Jamaicans & Haitians )...Also again the Taino part HAS to be fixed they survived and so did their desendents look at this article http://www.kacike.org/GuitarEnglish.html again I ask can someone please add these facts: Arab/lebanese: 3,100 American: 73,000 (this likely includes dominicans born in the US) British: 1,100 French: 1,800 German: 700 Chinese (two groups-Mandarine & Cantonese): 11,400 Jamaicans: 27,000 German Jew: 100 Korean: 400 Haitian: 366,000 ( May mean just legal Haitians ) Spaniard: 81,000 (this looks like it includes all other hispanic non-dominicans; if you see the site, you'll see what I mean) South Koreans: 500 Japanese: 1,800 The info again is on this site: http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php
This point only says that there are a lot of websites with useless information, without any confirmation. It is a surprised to see Jamaicans in the Dominican Republic; that is not correct. They were persons that came at the end of 19th century and during the first decades of the 20th century from the British West Indies (from the Leeward Islands); they are called cocolos. In Puerto Plata and other northern cities, they came from the Turks and Caicos Islands and they were called turkimanes. Very few came from Jamaica; they prefered to go to Cuba. Sammy Sosa and many others would be surprised to learn that they are "Jamaicans", according to that site! And I don't know where they got those figures; certainly, not from official sources.
And the site says "Hispanics", not Spaniards. It is a extremely strange term in the Dominican Republic. Does it mean Spanish people or descendants from Spanish people? Because most Dominicans descend in a way or another from Spanish. Does it mean that they came from other Spanish-speaking countries?. I do not see any use of the informations on that website, at least regarding the Dominican Republic, because of the errors and the lack of sources. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 17:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I have serious doubts that the numbers were official as well. Cocolos are a derogatory word similiar to nigger in english. Sammy Sosa, Tito Ortiz are obviously blacks and most likely of Haitian origin. Most Spaniards did not go to the new world. A lot did but not over 50% of the spanaird population. So how would you account for the population of Latin America being over 2-3x that of Spain? The population was imported. Most Dominican's are not descended from Spain..they are descended from Africa. Even if people claim that it is 11% black it is most likely 84% since 73% claim they are mulatto (black/white mix). How is it that if you go to Haiti, Jamaica, Barbados, Bahamas, Bermuda, St Vincent, etc everyone looks black but if you go to DR everyone looks black but claims they are white or mulatto or even Indio!? People are no different than African American's in terms of their looks and are mixed due to slavery (which is what happened in America). UnclePaco ( talk) 20:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok first of all "Spaniards" it is refering to desendents of spaniards that only mixed with other spaniards and are still livingin DR over the centuries and at the same time also refering to imigrants from spain. It also reffers to any spanish desendent that only has spaniard annsestory from any latin american country that live in DR...Second when they say black on thcenus they mean pure black not black as in black with some white or black with some "indio" its just pure black...as it says in the article 90% of Dominicas have african ansestry thats why in the cenus it says mixed(white/black or white/black/indian). The Taino's anscestors still live on it is a fact that indian women got pregnant by european men in DR and Haiti and to be rightfull to the other wikipedia article about Indians you should add that they show a factual graph by the world factbook that shows that in DR between 40-61% of the population have Native American(Taino) blood and 1% is full Native American as well it says that between 20-35% of Haitians have Native American(Taino) blood. So i go back to my original plea, please add the Taino info aswell as:This site is an OFFICIAL and I repeat for those who cant read an OFFICIAL sourse!!! this info is vital to both Imigration, history, culture and future of DR PLEASE ADD THIS INFO!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs)
Someone needs to give you a history lesson and a bit of manners as I can see your trying to be rude...Taino, sorry Arawak people as you prefer survived in both DR and puerto rico...Its a fact plus people of africa and european ancestry look nothing like most Dominicans better yet people that are west african and west european look nothing like most dominicans. About the one drop rule? ok? so then who are the ones actually saying that they are black on the cenus? also how is it that DR is over twice the size of puerto Rico yet "no Taino survived" it sounds almost rediculous. unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 17 December 2007
Use the four tilde's to sign what you are saying. Taino is a language, Arawak are the people.
[25] So you aren't aware of history. Taino/Arawak continued to live in Puerto Rico not in the Dominican Republic or Hispanola. They still exist in Puerto Rico
[26]. People of Africa look nothing like Dominican's? hmm.. so Tito Ortiz doesn't look African? Most Dominican's don't look African American? So Halle Berry doesn't look Dominican? Does Will Smith? They are both black! DR always compares itself to Puerto Rico but never to Cuba? why is that? The Taino's didn't survive in Hispanola because they were killed off in the island. Point blank. In Puerto Rico it was a more controlled colony so they survived easier. You spelled ridiculous wrong as well.
UnclePaco (
talk) 22:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I said people that are half white and african dont look like MOST dominicanans are you able to read? Dominicans do look African i didnt say they didnt...The spanish colonist didnt exterminate all the Tainos they didnt get to the high mountin ranges especially in San Fransico de Macoris where the spanish colonists couldnt reach as they werent used to climbing them like the Tainos can have you gave it a thought that they have formed communities up there?...also you cant deny that Dominicans do have Arawak blood.By the way this I didnt come here to learn English so dont correct me as long as I got my point across we are all good as I can tell your reading skills go beyond horibble and looks like you have NEVER been to DR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs) 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Why don't you scroll up and read what you wrote of " people of africa and european ancestry look nothing like most Dominicans" then talk! UnclePaco ( talk) 23:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
EXACTLY...Like I said...are you even Dominican? you really need to go get educated the Dominican Republic o at least step foot in DR!
I'm not European but I know European history and culture. You made an ignorant statement. Yes I have been to Dominican Republic. So again you don't know what you're talking about you apparently can barely read or understand what you wrote UnclePaco ( talk) 23:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I stil cant beleive that you've been to DR as you are obviously not Dominican...I also know European history! and your the one who cant read which I can tell as you havent read enough info about the DR...Come on lets be mature here...I cant beleive you dont agree with any info that I have to offer to the article. Souljanyn3 ( talk) 23:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs)
I am going to finish this exchange of ideas with: 1) Taino is a culture and the people associated with that culture (including the language, part of the culture). Arawak is a linguistic family. But it is right to use the term Taino for both the language and the people. It is similar to Spanish (or Español, if you want): it is the language and the people living in Spain. 2) Cocolo is a sub-culture in the Dominican Republic, just like Cibaeño or Samanés. The word was initially used for Haitians in the South but now it is not as derogatory as Nigger in USA. You could say Cocolo cooking, for example, but there is not a Nigger cooking. I have been studying that sub-culture for years and it would be a shame that it dissappears. But what I wanted to say that it is not right to use Jamaicans because you think that Cocolo is a "bad" word. And it is right, David Ortiz has Haitian ancestors; I am not so sure about Sammy Sosa; I should have used other examples: George Bell, Alfredo Griffith, or the poets Norberto James and Mateo Morrison. 3) As a geneticists, I am not interested in classifying people by their skin colors (or what they believe what they are); I prefer to talk in terms of population genetics and I can assure you that in this country there are not pure Tainos but their genes are present. In the study of Alvarez Perello that I mentioned above (in Caste System), he found that the Dominican population has, on average, the following percentages of "genes": 43% African, 40% European, 17% Indian. From there, you could make all the combinations that you want. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 00:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
http://www.paho.org/english/sha/prfldor.htm UnclePaco ( talk) 22:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
In the Haitian article Dominican is use less then 20 times...in the Dominican article Haiti is use over 50 times...I haven't found one country article that talk more about it neighbor then it self other then Dominican article. I really think we should change it name to Dominican/Haiti or Hispaniola. I feel that title will be more better then the one we have now. AvFnx ( talk) 01:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
That would be rediculous. They are individual and seperate countries. Apparantly, this article has been heavily modefied by people who are un-neutral in their views towards these issues. Kcuello ( talk) 19:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Alright, since you're reverting without discussion again, can you explain to me why we need two sections discussing the exact same thing? Can you explain to me why we need a whole section reprinting nearly all of Casta, when the new combined section was working on discussing that? Can you explain why you keep reverting the progress we make and referring us to the talkpage, when you're making edits without consensus yourself?-- Rosicrucian Talk 06:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I can simply reinsert all of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dominican_Republic/RacialSelfIdentification_debate and that will make this discussion go on for a while. how about dispute resolution since we are simply not agreeing? also placing in non neutral point of view edits about Ulysis Herriaux is vandalism and so are personal attacks. UnclePaco ( talk) 05:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I realize that debate and editing have gotten heated, but you folks need to be more careful. There have been several occasions today when in a rush to add new material, existing cites were broken causing the reference list to start spewing code all over the page. We don't need that.-- Rosicrucian Talk 06:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
sounds good
UnclePaco (
talk)36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
General Dominican History
http://www.hispaniola.com/dominican_republic/info/history.php
I am having difficulty understanding as to why the name of Spanish Haiti keeps getting reverted to Empereridial (spelling). The initial nation of the former colony of Santo Domingo was in fact Spanish Haiti. [33] [34] [35] [36]. I am wondering if someone could at least give me a basic understanding as to why it shouldn't be included in the article. UnclePaco ( talk) 12:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
The section Symbolism have a lot of errors and informations out of place. About the flag, it is better to include that information (that I do not think is important) in the Flag article. The information about the Lighthouse is completely wrong, and it is not a symbol. The Columbus Lighthouse was approved on December 22, 1936 in Buenos Aires by a Panamerican Conference. The first stone was put on place on March 1, 1944 by the Vice-president of the Panamerican Union. On February 7, 1948, the French architect Gleave delivered the final sketch of the monument and on April 7 of that same year started the building of the monument. Balaguer is the last link of that chain. The only thing that would remain is about the national tree and the national bird and that could be written somewhere else and eliminate this section. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 00:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why to eliminate all my changes when I have explained above the reasons for them. I eliminated some external links because they are commercial websites or they don't mean anything to the article. I have several websites and I have not put them here (and I could because it seems that nobody checks).
The section Symbolism is completely wrong. The only laws are on the national flower (Mahogany - Swietenia mahagoni, not any mahogany) and the national bird, and I kept those. There is not law declaring merengue as the national dance; the same for baseball. The Columbus Lighthouse is not a national symbol and the history is completely false (read previous discussion). And in the contents Climate and Environment problems are subsections of Symbolism!
Sánchez was not a Mestizo, he was a Mulatto and is incorrect to cite Moya Pons with a false information.
But I see that I will not be able to make changes to improve this article (a extremely long and misleading article with a lot of false information as I have said before) so I quit. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 15:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Why does this photo keep getting placed in the "Population" section, rather than in the "Sports" section?-- Rosicrucian Talk 20:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Paco, do you have a source for "U.S.-Dominican Convention for Assistance in Governing"? (or "U.S.-Dominican Treaty for Assistance in Governing") SamEV ( talk) 21:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The souce is the first one. It is an NPOV name.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/dominican-republic-1916.htm is good also.
UnclePaco (
talk) 23:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
No you won't find the name, but who is to say that we should copy a name from another website. You will find the treaty and the title and is a summary of what it was about. There may be whole dominican history books devoted to it, but different nations have different perspectives on what happened. Ask Turkey about the armenian genocide and they'll tell one story, if you ask armenia you'll be told another story. We are aiming for a neutral point of view, and US occupation isn't a neutral point of view, assistance in governing is. I can find a ton of sources that say that DR couldn't effectively govern but that would be a pro US POV. If you see extensive copy and pasting then either do some serious editing or remove it. UnclePaco ( talk) 17:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Would Intervention be better? http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-217437/Dominican-Republic ? UnclePaco ( talk) 01:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I simply can't agree. The second section could be US assistance in maintaining Dominican Political Stability might be better and neutral as well .
UnclePaco (
talk) 17:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I have presented sources that state US INTERVENTION. I'm maintaining npov so lets simply keep it there. There is a lot that I had placed in before that was properly sourced and was removed by you. Like here [37] If you choose to go ahead with your edit there is going to be an edit war. So don't make aggressive actions and lets make a consensus. UnclePaco ( talk) 04:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
i've presented sources. US INTERVENTION is fair for a second section. US Occupation isn't NPOV at all! Point blank. If you like we can simply go for dispute resolution and that'll solve the problem. Simply because you aren't satisfied with a source doesnt' make it non worthwhile.
secondly on the second version the lives of the Arawak Indians and Caribs during the Spanish Colonial period is extremely important and was sourced. All you simply did was change a ton of things and included those. YOU are teh one who stated taht you'll make aggressive actions and stated you'll ignore consensus here. [38] UnclePaco ( talk) 17:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Che was about the truth and being fair. Thus my rationale for the npov. I am perfectly fine with it staying the way it is, i made a compromise for the split of the section to be called US intervention. So if you want to separate and call the first us assistance and the other us intervention then go for it.
Secondly it wasn't the spaniards who were genocidal manaics it was some of the conquistodors. Much of it was not from forums. Most of them were articles. They were not extermist sources, simply historical sources and accounts. It's like grouping all Germans with Nazi's. The Arawaks were killed at a much higher percentage than the jews were in Europe but for some reason you don't deem it necessary to the article. Can you explain why? Did I not have enough sources? UnclePaco ( talk) 11:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Can Someone please add a Foreign Relations section please i seen it in the other Countries in Latin America so i think the Dominican Republic needs one thank you to who ever does it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gman555 ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
So for all of those people who think that Dominicans are decendents of indians; and that indians weren't killed off. How similiar do they look? http://thorup.com/cuna.html UnclePaco ( talk) 17:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ET1qY8Tch_kJ:www.umich.edu/~ac213/student_projects/lm/history.html+dominican+day+parade+violence&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=19&gl=us UnclePaco ( talk) 11:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
can someone please add a tourism section because allot of Latin American countries have a Tourism section so i think we need one please and thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I have redone the Geography section trying to eliminate duplicate informations and the subtitles (they are not needed). If more information is needed, it could be added in the article Geography of the Dominican Republic. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 01:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the area of the country, in this article the figure is 48,921 and it says that its rank is 130 but when you go to the page List of countries and outlying territories by total area the area is 48,671. I have never seen the figure 48,921 and that is why I am asking for a cite. It seems that it something of BigGabriel555 because it has appeared (and considered as vandalism not by me) in other articles. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 01:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Let's see if we can agree on something. BigGrabriel555 has put a cite to support his figure; it is a commercial website. Could it be more accurate than the CIA - World Factsheet, the Dominican Statistics Office, and other organizations with a different figure? If you accept that the figure given en www.hispaniola.net is the correct one, then I will acept that and Wikipedia will be giving a false information. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 22:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I am going to give some reported figures to see if we can reach a consensus:
-- Pepemar2 ( talk) 00:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I have checked many Wikipedias and most of them states that the area is 48,730 which is normal because they are using the World Factbook data. So I think that we could use that value, too. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 02:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you just take your time reading it? SamEV ( talk) 22:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
acording to wikipedia they are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas and not only in Dominican Republic but in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti and Jamaica...If true than it should be added to the article as well as some info from this site: http://www.kacike.org/GuitarEnglish.html & this discussion should be taken in thought/note: http://www.dr1.com/forums/archive/t-25211.html -- Soulja nyn3 ( talk) 03:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
No, tainos are not alive on neither of those caribbean islands, as a matter of fact I think they're extinct. - Comment added by an anonymous dominican resident, who happens to be an historian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.88.37.91 ( talk) 06:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
It is impossible to edit this article because BigGabriel555 thinks that it belongs to him; there is not way of talking with him or to reach a consensus. He has been asked to answer some accusations in a RfC and he does not answer. I know that he doesn't read the discussions but, just in case, answer the RfC before keeping working in this page. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 18:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
i dont think it belongs to me but its better to leave the geography like that because it goes into more detail —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ([[User talkuraguay people are fat |talk]] • contribs) 21:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I want to explain why I have deleted what was recently written on national symbols because it is the second time that I do so. A national symbol is something that has been proclaimed by a law or decree to represent the country (the Constitution does that for the flag and coat of arms). In the Dominican Republic, the national flower (mahogany) was proclaimed by the Decree 2944 of August 21, 1957, and the national bird (palm chat) was proclaimed by the Decree 31 of January 14, 1987. There is nothing in relation to a national dance (and it would be very strange to have a national dance) and there is not a national stone. The amber is fossilized resin, not a stone, so it cannot be the national stone (national gem?). I erase also the part on Larimar because it repeated what was written in its own article ( Larimar), including the same errors. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 01:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
What details are missing? Work with us here, Gabriel. You've already been reported for violating the 3RR yesterday, and you're still reverting. Why?-- Rosicrucian Talk 02:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
BigGabriel555, I too ask you to please (pretty please), tell us what on earth it is you want in that section. But we need to know more than what you've said so far. What are those details? SamEV ( talk) 18:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
B, I completely oppose your decision. There's no need to be Solomonic here, as there's a clear right and wrong. Please take a look at BigGabriel555's talkpage. It's riddled with warnings of all species. He's promised humbly to mend his ways, recognizing, in one of his messages after a block, that he's not the only editor and should talk and compromise. Only he gets right back at it, as if nothing had happened. He's probably beyond salvage. SamEV ( talk) 18:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} who ever reads this message can you please undo the edit of SamEV to the geography of the Dominican Republic because the older edit goes into more detail about the geography than SamEV's edit so please if you can can you undo please and thank you from BigGabriel555
BigGabriel555- The reason the Geography section doesn't have to go into exhaustive detail is because the Geography of the Dominican Republic article was split off. Thus, the section in the country article is an overview, and the "Main Article" link at the top of it is for people who want more detail. This helps keep the Dominican Republic article a manageable size and improves readability.-- Rosicrucian Talk 16:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
i want to apologize for every thing i have done i thought i was helping the page but i was actually hurting it from now own i want cooperate with all the people of wikipedia i am sorry lets make this page great
from BigGabriel555 —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
BigGabriel555 (
talk •
contribs) 16:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
yes thats what i am saying we shouldn't be fighting we all just want make this page great so im sorry BigGabriel555 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
BigGabriel555 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
There's a section of it marked for you to post your version of events.-- Rosicrucian Talk 02:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
What Rosicrucian said. SamEV ( talk) 02:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
alright i did it i hope we can make this page great BigGabriel555 ( talk) 21:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a very big issue with the below sentence under the cusine section:
" Breakfast usually consists of eggs and mangú (a boiled cassava or some other root vegetable). "
Mangu is in escence boiled plantains that are smashed into a consistency identical to mashed potatoes. Cassava (called Yuca or Yuca Root) is one of the main breakfast items, however it has nothing to do with mangu. Please edit accordingly since the page is locked for edits Kcuello ( talk) 19:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
i have bin trying to find a good site about tourism in the D.R. but i coudn't can someone help find a site so we can fill the tourism section of the D.R. BigGabriel555 ( talk) 22:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Should we keep the info on the museums? I only added that in order to balance the paragraph about the Lighthouse. SamEV ( talk) 22:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
All right. I said the article size should be reduced. So why did I add more content? There's a method to the madness. I think it helps to have all the key information in the article before taking out the scalpel. That way we'll have a better idea of where and what to cut. SamEV ( talk) 22:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
The article says DR is a lower-middle income country, but according to the IMF it's really an upper middle income country.
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The section titled US Intervention does not segue into the Trujillo Era section. There is a huge disconnect between the end of the former and the beginning of the latter; no explanation is given of how Trujillo came to power or through which means. ***philosopher2king 4/13/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosopher2king ( talk • contribs) 22:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I didn't want to flag this article but the Balaguer section needed to be a bit more balanced. I don't think there is a Dominican alive without strong political sympathies, and Balaguer leaves no one apathetic. However, he did more than just "cut back on civil liberties and grow a disparity between rich and poor"; he built an incredible infrastructure and provided relatively sound social services. I edited for balance. philosopher2king 4/13/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosopher2king ( talk • contribs) 23:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Editors are sometimes picking out numbers from articles whose conclusions argue otherwise. I deleted one number (and cite) that was covered by the review in the following article from Archaeology, in which the author gave an overview of research through the years, but also the reasons for why people had come to a consensus on lower numbers.-- Parkwells ( talk) 11:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Could i have a list of people that may be interested on joining the Dominican Republic Wikiproject, Everybody is welcomed, please join! EdwinCasadoBaez ( talk) 08:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that the History section is to fragmented into sub-sections. Looking at other articles like for example United States, Puerto Rico, Mexico and others have a more generalized history section. I think that we should make a more detailed separate article about the history of the Dominican Republic but make a shorter one here because having so many sub-sections could become even confusing, besides, Sections like the Tainos, and French Rule are bearly a paragraph long while others like U.S intervention are to long for the article.
Can we reach concensus on what should be done here? EdwinCasadoBaez ( talk) 19:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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Can we request a split of the Sport Section? I may add some content, not just about baseball, but other sport we practice here in the Dominican Republic. My request is creation of Sport in the Dominican Republic and expand the content.Oscar987 04:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Osplace ( talk • contribs)
The province Matias Ramon Mella do NOT exist. Even with congressional aproval, the president returned the project. And Please, a blog is NOT a source. All maps and geography linked to this "New" Province have to be fixed. I will deleted the section, please help to improve the quality of the information given here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Osplace ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I eliminated the provincial flags in the list of provinces because they take a lot of time to load. And I have serious doubts on being the true flags; all of them have been created by the same user mainly for the articles on Miss Universe. But that same user created an article on the "Old Province of Colón", something completely absurd, and says that there are more of 10,000 people living in Catalina Island and the same in Beata Island (and the population is divided in Urban and Rural!).-- Pepemar2 ( talk) 21:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Hopefully, the problem will be fixed by the time anyone reads this. Someone has randomly typed the words "Retard" and "Retarded" throughout the article. Just do ctrl+F. Also, the prankster typed the name "Micheal Jackson[sic]" in an area that was talking about 19th century history! Wikipedia is an excellent website and I was flabbergasted to see this! How do I report this? Is this all I need to do? NateMcGreg ( talk) 21:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)NateMcGreg
I restored the numbered map because the labelled one added two hours ago ( Template:Dominican_Republic_Labelled_Map) has too many unnecessarily shortened names. For example: "San José de Ocoa" is composed of short words. There's no need to abbreviate to "SJO". Again, "Monseñor" (Nouel) will also fit within the province's borders. Etc. A slightly different problem is the positioning. The name of Independencia province will fit inside the borders if it is merely moved further down from its currrent position on the labelled map. SamEV ( talk) 04:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I still do not see any reason to change the map in this article; it takes a long time to upload if your cache is clean. Maybe in another article. I will not do anything about it; I am tired. -- Jmarcano ( talk) 21:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The map using the globe is not a good idea in my opinion. The Dominican Republic takes up only a portion of an island, and this map is zoomed out so much that you cannot really see this. It looks as if the entire island is the country. Debollweevil ( talk) 07:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dominican_Republic contains a section about D R Economy; and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Dominican_Republic is devoted only to the the description of the Dominican economy. Both pages are subject to improvement. Shouldn’t they be merged first? Jabato60 ( talk) 02:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
It is proposed that the newly created article US attempted Annexation of the Dominican Republic be merged into the History section of the present page. Please discuss below this line. -- Zlerman ( talk) 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
The sentence " Tainos called out for American G.I. Joes occupying that region or specifically siempre atoll during this time lapse." appears to have been added on 14:17, 25 September 2009 [ [41]]. Can anyone decipher the intended meaning? If not, it should be struck out. Wakablogger2 ( talk) 22:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
The Constitution states that the lower ribbon in the coat of arms has its tips upward. The coat in the article is from the 60's Constitution. Please correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.80.241.98 ( talk) 18:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
This is very very bad! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.156.143.16 ( talk) 16:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
No credible source says that the Dominican Republic is 70.1% Black, 28.6% Mulatto, 1.3% White, they all say that the country is 73% mixed race, 16% white and 11% black. Can someone change that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.237.250.114 ( talk) 22:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Dominican Republic has more than 11% black people someone should change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.72.160 ( talk) 16:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
"The country suffers from marked income inequality" - I cannot find that in the reference, please give a page number. Also saying it "gives a Gini index as 49.9, which is high" does not justify the use of the word "maldistribution". From the Wikipedia article Gini index: "As a mathematical measure of inequality, the Gini coefficient does not necessarily entail any value judgement, i.e. the "rightness" or "wrongness" of a particular level of equality". In other words, the distribution might be fair but unequal. Nor does it justify the word "high". From the same Wikipedia article: "The Gini index for the entire world has been estimated by various parties to be between 56 and 66". For reference purposes, the Gini index of the US is 46.6 as of 2008. PAR ( talk) 20:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Someone should do an article of Afro dominicans, since they'v already done an article of Afro Cubans —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.72.160 ( talk) 22:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Why you want to add Afro? I mean when these people got their independence they called their country Dominican Republic. OK! —Preceding
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The Dominican Republic ethnic group make up is wrong. I think this is incorrect, 73% mixed, 16% white, and 11% black. When it comes to Dominican Republic everybody knows that the Dominican Republic has alot more than 11% black, someone should change that, because the majority of Dominicans in Dominican Republic is black or predominatly black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.72.160 ( talk) 21:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah i agree with that, Dominican Republic has alot more black people than 11% for crist sake the cia world factbook is not telling the truth, anyone in the world knows that the majority of dominicans are black, who in their right mind would put 73% mixed 16% white 11% black, if you ask me i think its more like this 70% black 20% mixed and 10% white and other, you guys are ganna have to look for a site with a much more realistic ethnic make up for dominican republic OK !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.167.140.89 ( talk) 02:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree, but why can´t you guys aleast put 84% black and multiracial, 16% white. I mean is it really that hard you just add 11% black and 73% multiracial together, i mean practically everybody knows that would be better and would make sense definatley, and also everybody knows that the 73% is just blacks basically but with very little white in them, im dominican myself, and realized that we´er all basically blacks and mulattoes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.128.44 ( talk) 14:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
that is really a matter of opinion. when you look at the dominican republic you'll see that the one drop rule works in reverse.
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Showing two images of Trujillo seems excessive. Which one should we keep? SamEV ( talk) 17:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement over whether this article would be better with a paragraph about sex tourism. Rather than edit-war, I'll simply ask: Do we agree that this information is important to an understanding of this subject, or no? - FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 23:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
alright, if you look at the nation of lesotho, you will see that it has an extremely high HIV rate. somewhere around 50%. is it damaging to a nations image yes, but is it true? yes it is. it is even highlighted on the page [44]. There are a number of nations where sex tourism is major as can be seen in various wiki articles including [ [45]]. To me i don't differentiate between underage, such as statistics between people of 6 to 11 and 12 to 16. They are still underage and it is illegal according to DR laws. I don't see how anyone at the age of 12 can consent to have sex with a 40 year old or even a 20 year old. The age of consent in DR is 18 [46]. So when people are having sex with underage children, and even in a wiki article sex tourism DR is listed, why wouldn't we have a section of it in the DR article? The websites were US governmental websites, which isn't slanted. The CIA is a governmental website and it is used for the population statistics of black, white and mixed race as seen above. If you go to the Thailand article sex tourism is mentioned. There is even a whole article of Prostitution in Thailand. I'm not saying that DR should have a whole article, but if it exists and is a significant industry in DR we should mention it. CashRules ( talk) 03:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes it is a significant industry in DR. How can you say it's not? It is a significant industry in Thailand, Brazil, and Dominican Republic. Other nations articles contain whole sections on it, even whole articles. do you think a whole article is better? the google test shows it is significant [47]. If you think the US government is unreliable why is it used as a major reliable source for other things in the article which other places my dispute. Even Elockid [48] is fine with the use of US government webiste. Even you in the past were ok with the US of the CIA as a source when someone changed statistics! [49] CashRules ( talk) 04:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
what is this good guys? bad guys pov that you present SamEV? As I said before, I've been blocked Zero Times for edit wars, while you've been blocked twice. So you might not be the good guy that you present yourself to be! Back to BilCat, I don't see anywhere it says that the CIA gets its statistics from other nations. I'd rather at this point have a small section that talks about it. If it grows even larger a separate article might be worthwhile. There are a number of strong articles, including [51], [52], and [53] . so has any consensus been reached? you say you're ok with a separate article, but what of an inclusion in this article? CashRules ( talk) 06:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Both of you seem to piggyback on each others replies. are you two the same person or close friends by any chance? you ask how big of a problem is it? if you look at the portion you deleted, [55] the harvard article mentions DR as a problem area for child prostitution [56], the Organization of American States has in it's countries report listed Dominican Republic as an area of Child prostitution [57]. In addition you can see that "UNICEF notes that a total of 25,455 minors are employed as prostitutes, and that of that total, 14,508 (57%) practice prostitution in the areas in which they had gone to school." In a population of 9 million, 25,000 is a lot. it is .2% of the population as a whole. If that were the United States it would be 600,000 child prostitutes! The United States has a risk of .1% of children being child prostitutes [58], so DR is double that! Now can you see why it is a problem? CashRules ( talk) 07:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
How is what I said a personal attack? I asked a simple question and asked if you knew each other. Both you and BilCat have never assumed good faith when it comes to me. He has apologized you haven't. You can undo the edit, but it was also suggested by Elockid that it be included in the article. So what is your disagreement? CashRules ( talk) 03:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Sam, you already have reverted CR's edits on several occasions, well past 3RR if I recall correctly, but you've not stated you wouldn't do that again until he is blocked. What am I supposed to think you'll do the next time CR edits?? Hence the firmer warning. Before making my previous set of comments, I did read your report, except for the diffs, as I didn't have the time to spend on that. I intended to do that later.
As to CR's and other editors blowing the issues out of proportion, I asked as many questions as I could think of to clarify the issue. However, the prostitution article answered the ones CR didn't (which I did notice, btw!) I tried to be as neutral as I could in writing the part I added to this article, but without direct evidence that some disagree with the assertions being made here, and why, that's all I could do. - BilCat ( talk) 20:43, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I edited the "Ethnicity" sub-section to incorporate sourced material about the presence of native Taínos genes in the Dominican population. Dr. Juan Carlos Martínez Cruzado, head of the Biology Department at UPR Mayagüez published the results of his research on this matter yesterday. The study is entitled "Orígenes continentales de las primeras poblaciones de las islas del Caribe y los movimientos migratorios que los formaron. ADNmt en República Dominicana" ("Continental origins of the first populations of the Caribbean islands and the migratory movements which formed them. DNA in Dominican Republic").
The online edition of Dominican Newspaper has a more detailed account here in Spanish. According to Listin's report, a previous study carried out in 1948 by Dominican Researcher José de Jesús Alvarez Perelló found that at least 17% of Dominicans carries indigenous genes.
I'll try to see if I can get a link to Dr. Martínez Cruzado report. Should make an interesting read. Ulises ( talk) 00:02, 18 June 2010 (UTC)ujorge
The reason I removed a portion of the baseball in the article was because there is more to DR than just baseball. The whole sports scene previously was essentially baseball and a few sentences on other sports. Japan itself has a stronger baseball league, but does not put its sporting emphasis on baseball. One of the statements isn't NPOV. I also believe that professional wrestling should be included in the article since it is (1) of historic value and (2) to some considered to be a sport. At the very least it should be sports-entertainment. Arcadio Brito and Rafael Sanchez. CashRules ( talk) 20:26, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Since I was reverted by use SamEv, I am not going to get into a revert war. [60] The fact remains though that Gabriel Mercedes is a silver medalist in Tae Kwon Do, and not Judo. Will someone please look at this. If I revert SamEV he will most likely start an edit war and warn me like has previously happened. CashRules ( talk) 20:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
The ethnicity of the Dominican Republic is 73% multiracial, 16% white, and 11% black am i correct, anyways i noticed that this is from the CIA World FactBook, but why is it that in this website [61] it says that 80% of Dominicans are black and that 20% are white or of mixed-race(multiracial) and there's another website that says the same thing (80%) black and (20%) white/mixed but i can't find the website i saw it the other day but anyways, that's my question? 190.80.225.146 ( talk) 08:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
the movies section seems uncessary as it provides no other information but just a list of titles. and these titles lead no where as there are no articles for them. It is MUCH better to include a section on INFORMATION about the Dominican Film industry, dictating recent progress in box office success of Dominican movies, as well as how the Dominican Republic is often used as a set location for Hollywood big production films, due to cheaper costs such as: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-04-05-diesel-dominican_x.htm
much Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl was also filmed Samana, DR : http://www.thomson.co.uk/editorial/features/filming-locations-iii.html
The pre-Revolutionary scenes of The Godfather: Part 2 were also filmed in the Dominican Republic: http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/g/godfather2.html
this would provide a MUCH more interesting section. Adreamtonight 09:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I've moved more of the old discussions that weren't seeing any debate to the archive, because this page was getting honking huge.-- Rosicrucian 16:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I thinuse of a difference in the power grid.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.187.181.174 ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC).
Um....they are 200 Circuits presently in the Republic which do not suffer from power outages!!..This is because the majority of residents of this circuits pay electricity in a good time. Those that do not pay electricity(30% of the nation) suffer of Great Power Outages. By the way, not all business get better electric services!! The Electrical companies(EDES=EDESUR-EDENORTE) of the country are helping to fix the electric problems of the country by making new plans to help the communities! 69.119.127.181 21:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Your numbers are clearly not accurate. You are trying to tell me that only 30% of the country does not pay for electricity? That is not correct. Of all of the Dominicans that I have met (hundreds), only 2 or 3 told me that they pay for electricity. The rest laughed at me when I asked them. "Que? pero NADIE paga la luz! Por que pagaria la luz si nunca hay?? Y e' facil!" I don't know about your 200 circuits number, but even if that's accurate, that's still a very small number. There's a different circuit for every few blocks. 76.8.217.50
Where I'm from in DR you got pay light if you don't you get a fine. Don't compare "Los Barrios" as Dominican Republic whole. And it a fact that there neighborhood that get light 24/7; those that sign contract saying that they pay there bills on time. Where I'm from you always had to pay, cause not a "barrio". AvFnx 04:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Look....Recently their was a law established(I dont know it's name yet and i dont have the sources clearly but i will get them soon) that said that Stealing Electricity is against the Law. Now presently the Country holds 200 Circuits(In DR, a Circuit is a whole wide neighborhood because is not like the United States{the U.S.A has smaller scaled circuits})...200 circuits is not alot But that number has grown alot. Before their was not a single circuit in DR that received 24 hour electrical Service and that means that the service has progressed. A lot of people in the "Poor" Outer areas of Towns and cities do not pay electricity and in the whole nation theirs around 30% of households that do not pay electricity yet but the number has gone doww. In Small towns that percentage is much higher but in Santiago and Santo Domingo almost everyone pays the Electricity now. Arroyo Hondo(Districto Nacional), Jarabacoa(2/3), Hato Mayor, El Seibo, La Trinitaria(Santiago), and other towns get a full service of Electricity. And By the way I am sorry to tell you, 76.8.217.50, that i think you have met the poor dominicans from the Barrios because my whole family that Lives In D.N(Santo Domingo) is forced to Pay Electricity 69.119.127.181 19:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but my experience just tells me that you are incorrect. I spent over a year in Santo Domingo in three different places - Herrera, Cristo Rey and Los Alcarrizos. Each of those three places has no more than 5% of people paying for electricity, and it's in those types of places where the population density is highest. I'm sure that places like Mirador or Villa Mella have more people paying for electricity, but barely anyone lives there, and not even Mirador (Samy Sosa has a house there, so that should tell you about the wealth of that place) has electricity 24/7. Yes, the place where most of the ambassadors live doesn't have light 24/7.-- 76.8.217.50 16:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
This section of the article really is pretty deceiving. I lived around the central-southwest portion of the country for a couple of years and I never had constant electricity. In fact, unless it was a holiday, I don't think I ever had electricity for an entire 24 hours! Granted, I never lived in the rich areas of the country (though I did live in a couple barrios in Santo Domingo like Bayona and near Los Ríos and Los Jardines), but then again, the rich don't really account for a very large percentage of the population. To represent figures that are true to only a portion of the population doesn't really seem to be very fair in an article about a whole country. And in fact, I never met anyone who was optimistic that the situation was going to improve in the near future, which is what the article currently leads the reader to imply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.99.208 ( talk) 05:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The electricity issue in this country is highly political and figures get twisted around a lot by the authorities. Unless you provide figures from a non governmental source showing 200 circuits that do not get blackouts and that only 30% of the country does not pay their electric bill then I'm gonna flat out disbelieve you. Mind you, I'm from La Romana and have been living in the D.N. since 2001. The sector where I live is supposedly blackout-free yet there are STILL blackouts every now and then. I'll grant you that in my sector their occurance and duration is far less than in other parts (like La Romana, which gets bombarded daily with 6-8 hour blackouts across the WHOLE town), but there are supposed to be NO blackouts in my area.
Then again, maybe we should check what dictionary the politicians are using for "blackout"?
And I, being a dominican, perceive next to no effort on behalf of authorities to correct this issue. It's simple: users need to PAY so that the service become sustainable. If the government starts cutting off electricity to homes where people don't pay (via its two state owned distribution companies) then it WILL become a major political issue for them. The middle classes, high classes and the government (via taxpayers of course) cannot continue to subsidize the cost of consumption of these free loaders because it is frankly abusive (people who don't pay for their electric bill are 10000x more likely to not conserve power, etc) and puts a [huge] strain on government finances.
Also, I remember an article long ago that stated that about 60% of people who lived in sectors where the electricity is subsidized - to the point where they have to pay like what? 100 pesos? - still don't pay their bill!!!!!!
Llorllale 22:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be a problem at this point.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2927670 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7871 http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2929220 I think it should be used or noted on the page. Any opinions? 199.219.144.52 17:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
What the hell does Steroids has to be in the Dominican Republic article?!!!go put it in some other page!!!do You see steroids being mentioned in the United States Article, where atlethes use it the most? I simply think there's no need for putting that! EdwinCasadoBaez 17:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Article says "SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- fuck you, who threw a no-hitter as a rookie with the St. Louis Cardinals in 1999, was one of two Dominican athletes removed from the Pan American Games on Saturday after they tested positive for banned substances. Jimenez, who had 41 saves for the Colorado Rockies in 2002, last pitched in the majors for the Cleveland Indians in 2004. He finished his career with 110 saves. Jimenez, who tested positive for anabolic steroids, turned 34 on Saturday. Boxer Rafael Fernandez Sosa were also banned by the Dominican Republic Olympic committee. Sosa had elevated levels of testosterone to epitestosterone in samples taken before the country's athletes traveled to Rio de Janeiro to compete in the games starting next week. "The athletes displayed an adverse result in the examinations that we made previous to the Pan American Games, [and for that reason] they are not eligible to attend," the Dominican Republic Olympic committee said a statement. " This is about Dominican athletes in Republica Dominicana 66.108.180.176 04:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree that steroid use should not be mentioned in this article, as it is a problem with all of major league baseball. There is not any reason to single out Dominicans. ( Jollyjeeves 05:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC))
This is like a solo shout out to dominicans i dont see that in the US article portal EdwinCasadoBaez 03:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I think someone should add the Caste System that was in place in the Dominican Republic under Spanish rule.
Slight problem in that there is no native american's in the dominican republic. only the illusion of indians. they were exterminated since early 1500's by the spaniards. that is a documented fact. 66.108.180.176 19:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes that system was used...but slightly....not to the same extent as to in South America due to the fact that the Natives in the Island of Hispaniola were not even civilized like the Mayas, or Incas!!!so i don't think inclusion for this info should be done!!!but if ya think it stills fits in the article...you could always include it! EdwinCasadoBaez 17:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
That is racist! Just because the Arawak didn't have pyramids does not make them uncivilized! Did the chinese pyramids? Did the Germans? Please watch what you say. Reading again; include it in the article with the notation that Arawak's became extinct. 66.108.180.176 04:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh...no i didnt mean it as racist!!what i mean, in DR the Casta System was not used a lot because tainos died in the beginning of Spanish encounter with them.. So the system was not as largely used in DR as in the Central American Civilization or anywhere else of spanish rule...Sorry if i did some racist writing.. EdwinCasadoBaez 22:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The native Tainos did not all die right away! The Casta system was in use for a long time (Gracias, album "Indios de Quisqueya"!). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.235.39.100 ( talk) 23:59:23, August 18, 2007 (UTC)
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (CNN) -- The Dominican Republic is a tourist paradise, and a drug runner's haven. More than 800 miles of stunning turquoise coastline used for snorkeling -- and smuggling. What's smuggled mostly is cocaine from South America, bound for the United States. And in recent years, it's been pouring in. The Dominican Republic's rocky coastline makes it difficult for anti-drug units to operate. [1 of 3 "The problem in the last two years is the amount of narcotics arriving in this country by air has increased exponentially," said Peter A. Reilly, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's supervisor in the Dominican Republic.] Officials say the number of flights carrying drugs onto Hispaniola, the island shared by both the Dominican Republic and Haiti, has gone up roughly four-fold in just four years and that about 10 percent of U.S.-bound cocaine is now shipped through Hispaniola. [1] 66.108.180.176 19:13, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
What you forget to mention is the Dominican government efforts to combat drug trafficking. Another point is that there should be a separate tourism section in the article. ( Jollyjeeves 05:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC))
I think the Crime section should be removed because it's negative for the image of DR. The Puerto Rico article doesn't have a crime section so why should this one have one? It's not fair! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward77x ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Crimes, for attention of tourists planning trip to DR:
Me and my husband were in DR recently, by departure on 04th October07 from Puerto Plata while routine security control at the airport to my highest surprice I was stolen money from my purse! At the begunning of security check all looked normal: this officer(who finally robbed me!) was checking my handbag by putting out some small items: sunglsses, book, handy, cosmetic bag etc and always asking me to do someting: either to turn on the handy or to open box with glasses etc -he was keepeing me all the time busy, at last I realized that he is keeping his hands too long in my bag(I am travelling by plane twice a month so I know how long the routine check takes!), when I received this bag back the purse which was inside was opened, I looked inside and it seemed to me all is O.K. (I still saw a note of 50USD I had there), but later, in the gate I realized that100EUR note that was stored in the side pocket of this purse was missing! It was too late to go back and to try to look for this officer, I am writting it to warn all tourist: please watch out, a fact that somebody wears an unform and represents certain authority does not mean in this country too much!
How come I do not see any small section in the article talking about the different languages in the Dominican Republic? Angel,Isaac 04:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean local dialects? Or actual languages such as Spanish and Samana English? Omar 20:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
What?! What other languages are you talking about? Spanish is the one and only official language, there is simply no other widely spoken tongue to be of any type of significance. Although if rampant Haitian illegal immigration doesn't abate we might have to consider Creole at some point.
Samaná and San Pedro are known for their local English but A) The generation (from the smaller Antilles) that brought it as their first language has mostly died and B) The nature of that English is not distinctive from a grammatical point of view to qualify as a dialect. It is mostly distinctive in local color and flavor, not in structure. Philosopher2king 00:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Moved more inactive discussion from June to the talk archives.-- Rosicrucian Talk 16:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6228731/
I disagree with the inclusion of baseball being the most popular sport in the DR, and then going on to say "as it is in cuba and the US." Baseball is not the most popular sport in the US currently (Football is), and there is no need to include the quoted sentence.
I disagreed with a few things stated in the music section. 1. Elvis Crespo is noone to be considered anything in merengue. In dominican republic, he is no one just another person who got some success and then fell off. & then especially to link him with the movement of merengue into the US. Now that's outrages. This artist made one cd the was good, the 2nd was ok, and the 3rd blew. All three cd's have similar musical arragement. He's the puerto rican version of Jon Secada. I bet they're hagging out right now wondering why there career went down the drain....
2. Yes bachata has grown out to reach other countries other than dominican. But to credit the growth, sorry but i dont think so.
I feel that if you going to talk about the music of one's country. Stick to the founders and the one's whole truly push the music to where it's at today. Please removed all this garbage and replace it with what is displaced in the linked for Dominican Music. Sorry but Elvis is a small dust compare to everyone else in the industry. Malafe82 06:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
http://www.dominicantoday.com/app/article.aspx?id=24079 64.131.205.111 18:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
How do I tag an image that it is something that I took? UnclePaco 01:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
if you go to spanish instead of inglesh and you type republica dominicana thats dominican republic in english you find great pictures of D.R. can somone please incorparate these pics i dont know how lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 13:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
300px|right|thumb|Parque Colón
300px|right|thumb|Parque Colón
400px|left|thumb|Sector de piantini
can someone clean the part of the u.s treaty of control please —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 14:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I probably don't need to state this, obviously Santo Domingo was not the first capital city in the Americas, e.g. Teotihuacan, Tenochtitlan, Cuzco, Chan Chan etc. However it was the first capital city of a European colony within the Americas. Therefore the language "first colonial capital" is more accurate regarding Santo Domingo's historical status. WaynaQhapaq 23:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD —Preceding
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67.87.218.101 (
talk) 00:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
It was the First European Permanent Settlement in the Americas EdwinCasadoBaez 14:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/dominican%20republic/dominicancreoles.htm
149.68.105.27 13:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.libertadlatina.org/Car_Haiti_Aids_Stalks_Children_04-08-2004.htm
149.68.105.27 14:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
One was the DR parade in ny to show the large amount of DR's outside of DR.
and
Dr. José Francisco Peña Gómez a strong Dominican leader! UnclePaco 04:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
If You read over the Demographics section you would notice that it is the longest Section in this whole article. Half of the Dominican Republic Article focuses in problems with Haiti or interaction with Haiti. I Dont Think the Spaniard( Spain) article focuses in portugal or France or neither does the United States article focus so much in it Neighbor Problems with Mexico or others. We Should try adding more infon less based in Race, color, or what ever else that has to be with discrimination. This article simply talks about Dominican Relations with other country instead of Focusing in the Long History Of the Dominican Republic, Juand Bosch, Juaquin Balaguer, Politics, Sports Like Baseball with a Larger Section including the Caribbean Professional Baseball Series and things like Cuisine which can be expanded EdwinCasadoBaez 14:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
In the Demographics section, people should make note that the 73% mixed race population can be either biracial or triracial. Not exclusively triracial like some have put forth to be. The mixed race section of the population can be white and Taino Indian alone, but not black. Others can be white and black, but not Taino. —Preceding
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Slayer08488 (
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contribs) 06:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Politics section should be changed to a more standard name, Government. There we can explain the Dominican Government and politics at the same time EdwinCasadoBaez 22:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Just make two sections. They are different enough. UnclePaco 01:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
i moved some pictures and i added some tell me if you dont like it —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Jehovah's Witness are not Protestants.
This article states adventist and JW as the largest protestants in the DR. That is wrong. There are far more Pentecostals and Baptist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.101.146 ( talk) 23:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
http://dr1.com/articles/chinese.shtml . Should be included in the article. YoSoyGuapo 21:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
We don't have much information on the DR page about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Dominican_Republic UnclePaco 22:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
A steroids portion in the sports section for Dominican Republic is very necessary. It is a huge issue in the Dominican Republic from one of it's favorite past times. I'm going to have this section placed in. I have included quite a few articles to suppor this. Some based in the United States while others are Dominican websites.
Why is it that more than half of the players test positive for steroids in Major League baseball are dominican? [4] [5]
This is a huge percentage when you consider According to statistics compiled by the commissioner's office, 23.5 percent of the 829 major league players on opening-day rosters and disabled lists were born in Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Mexico or Venezuela. [6] It is also quoted that over 80% of young dominican baseball players use steroids. [7]
In the dominican republic it is illegal to fire someone for testing positive for drugs. [8] "Myra Sung, a spokeswoman for Hispanics Across America, said it believed the percentage would soar if baseball tested for diamino, a supplement given to horses and cows but used by teenagers because it is cheaper than steroids and more easily obtained in the Dominican Republic." [9] [10]
149.68.98.175 16:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok here is an article It can be built from here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_Usage_Amongst_Domincan_Athletes CubanoDios 16:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
It funny how people try say Dominican baseball player are the ones that use the most Steroids but the article came out and only two were name, and Tejada is allege, is he/she says thing right now. Yes there will be lot Dominican, but yet again there lot Dominican in baseball, after California (look at each state as country), most players comes Dominican Republic. AvFnx ( talk) 01:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
can someone add an education part in the dominican republic the page needs it —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
done
UnclePaco 02:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
President Leonel Fernandez signed law 389-07 on 11/21/2007 ( Spanish link and English link) changing the name of the Salcedo Province to 'Hermanas Mirabal'. Should we leave the name untranslated or should we call it 'Mirabal sisters'?-- Bequw ( talk) 19:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Ultimately should be down with Immigration which also discusses the issue in detail. Suspect there's a fair amount of redundancy between the two sections, so I moved Haitian Stateless down below Immigration so they can be compared and reconciled.-- Rosicrucian Talk 22:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
merge, make haitian stateless a subsection, that's fine. UnclePaco ( talk) 06:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Some dictator trying to remove quotes on the pretext of 'improper formatting'
--endangered sentence start-- So it's really a matter of Haitians actively refusing their own legal nationality ( Jus sanguinis) in order to obtain a better living Dominican citizenship. --sentence end--
threat quoted (anonymous, obviously): <!--isn't this OR? I think it should be rephrased, at least, or else removed-->
my reply: "or else removed"? who are you? Dirty Harry??? there aren't two statements, so demanding to add a logical conjunction operator (AND, OR, IF, THEN, ELSE...) is jeeve-talking pretext just to remove this properly-formated last sentence. Reformat it yourself, and don't you dare to remove it. You don't have irrefutable proof that this last sentence is a misquote (lie). Also, in order for you to perform your medieval inquisition, you are first required to debunk every previous external quote on this paragraph (which you can't, since luckily Wikipedia is based on external quotes, not your personal passion or hypothesis).
NOTE: Also I agree that the above mentioned original merger was just an inexcusable pretext to dilute the sub-article, to strip away any traces of external quotes. Then, in short time, it will also 'legally' exclude everything, since Wikimedia rules require that the articles be substantiated with external quotes, which, I agree, are more than plenty. -- Flurry ( talk) 14:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This part should either be moved to the Haiti wiki page or trimmed to encyclopedic value to article. It extends too much into Haitian issues regarding the status of that country and obligues too much into a pane based on the POV of contributors. Trimming must be done so that the related data can become of encyclopedic value to article sooner rather than later... Reynaldopichardo ( talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reynaldopichardo ( talk • contribs) 13:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Please make sure to accurately describe what you are doing when you make that significant a revision. You did not "move section over" so much as revert ten revisions to continue your edit war with Avfnx. As a result, you managed to remove a number of accurate good-faith edits that had improved the article. I do not think your latest edit served the article very well, and though you have accused others of working without consensus, your edits have been rather disruptive and without consensus themselves.-- Rosicrucian Talk 01:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dominican_Republic/RacialSelfIdentification_debate UnclePaco ( talk) 03:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Rather than deal with the big mess that is that conglomerate debate, here are the points I would like to make.
I think that until these three things are addressed, the article doesn't hang together nearly as well.-- Rosicrucian Talk 04:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Im adding the castesystm back on the article, it was a big part of latin america and yes DR did have the same caste system and the ral fact is that the Tainos didnt become extinct until the late-mid 1800s so dont be supriesed if some are still alive! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs)
http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata55.htm UnclePaco 20:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Taino's died out in hispanola. [ [11]] They existed in PR! UnclePaco 20:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that this section should be completely eliminated of this article; if you want, you could make another article dealing with this subject. The classification shown is racist and old, even is not included in the only reference of the section. And that reference is from a comercial website and very old, in Internet terms, and uploaded by Roland Soong (who is he?). Many terms are unknown in the DR and that system was not used in Haiti, for example, part of the Hispaniola and Latin America (yes, Haiti is part of Latin America).
If anybody want to write something about the "caste system" in the Dominican Republic, then use Dominican sources, and not Mexican or South American. And better, use the information of Population Genetics and not racist and obsolete terms.
I am sorry that I do not modify (or eliminate) that section but I prefer to work in the Spanish Wikipedia, where I am the user Jmarcano. Will somebody dare to eliminate, to modify this section or create a new article that could be used in all Latin American with updated information? -- 66.98.78.51 ( talk) 22:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
In the History section, there are too many informations that are not completely true, and even false. I have seen that, for a blocked article, some people keep writing and nobody is correcting. I do not want to become a user, for now; I am already a user (Jmarcano) in the Spanish Wikipedia.
I am going to mention some points:
The first paragraph of the section says: "of which Haiti occupies the western third". Why not transfer that sentence to the Haiti article? In the Dominican Republic article, it should say: "of which the Dominican Republic occupies the eastern two thirds". In the same paragraph, it says "founding the settlement of La Navidad". Why settlement? It was only a small fortress (most likely a house) for those men that could not return to Spain because there was not room for them on the 2 remaining ships. A fortres (or a house) has never been a settlement. By the way, the La Navidad article has a lot of hearsay and misinformations, too.
Second paragraph: why Queen Anacaona? Why queen? She became a "cacique" after the death of her husband, Cacique Anacaona; queen (or king) was not an Arawak concept. I have hear that now in Voudou they say Queen Anacaona but I am not completely sure. And, as far as I know, se did not fight agains the Spaniards; it was the excuse of Nicolás de Ovando. If we say that she fought against the Spaniardas, then we are saying that Ovando, as conqueror, had reasons to hang her.
In the same second paragraph, why Cacique "Henry"? Why not his name "Enriquillo", or his Taino name, Guarocuya? It is very confusing to say Henry. And is completely false that the town associated with the fight of Enriquillo is Anse a Pitres, a small town that I love and where I have many friends. In any case, put the reference. Oviedo wrote about the "Sierra de Pedernales" but that mountain range is called now "Sierra Martin Garcia", between the Barahona and Azua provinces, too far away from the modern city of Pedernales, across the border from Anse a Pitres.
The word "zambo" appears in this paragraph (see above for muy comments on this racist classification); in the Dominican Republic, zambo meas "with curved legs (knock-kneed)". An about 17% of the genes in the general Dominican population (I don't know in Haiti) comes from the Taino (Alvarez Perello, Jose. La mezcla de razas en Santo Domingo y los factores sanguineos. Eme-Eme, vol II, No. 8, Sept.-Oct. 1973. UCMM. Santiago).
The next paragraph, "For much of the twentieth century..." is in a wrong place. -- 66.98.79.207 ( talk) 21:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The first (and new) paragraph of the subsection "Creation of the Republic" seems to be part of the history of Haiti and not of the Dominican Republic. Even so, it is full of errors. It was not Toussaint Louverture who gave the name of Haiti; it was Dessalines. It is true that Louverture took Santo Domingo but it was on the name of France; when the Haitians tried to keep the eastern part, the French had to fight. Santo Domingo reverted to Spanish rule in 1809, when the French left the island. I have not checked the Enciclopedia Britannica but if it says in 1810, it is wrong, and there are too many documents and books to testify that it was in 1809.
Then comes the subsection Caste System. I do not see any valid reason to have it here; I have checked all other Latin American countries and there is not anything like this. And it is racist system developed by the conquerors in South America and not in the Hispaniola. Regarding Marabou, it is word completely unknown in the Dominican Republic; and worst, it says that about half of the populatin in modern day Dominican Republic is marabou! Is it a fact or a dream? So we are marabou without knowing what is that! Please use a non-racist, modern, system to classify popuplations and develop a new article that could be used for all countries.
The first paragraph of the next subsection says that the War of Restoration was led by generals: Ulises Heureaux and Gregorio Luperón. It was written by somebody that does not anything of Dominican history. Luperón was very young when the war began and distinguished himself just at the end of that war, in the east front. Heureaux was completely unknown at that time, he was too young. But students of elementary schools know that the leaders of the war were Santiago Rodríguez, Benito Monción, Pepillo Salcedo, José Cabrera, Pimentel and others. We even have a province named after Santiago Rodríguez.
And it says "The Restoration was proclaimed on August 16, 1865". That is completely wrong. The initial "cry" for the Restorarion was in August 16, but in the year 1863!
About Heureaux, it only says that he "was of Haitian origin"; it says nothing about his methods and his governments. He was a dictator who killed many people. Later, in the subsection 1930 to 1980, it says that Trujillo "was himself a quarter Haitian". I do not see why to put those phrases in this article; they would be ok in their biographies, not here. But it is very dangerous because we might think: Heureaux and Trujillo were criminal dictators, both were of Haitian origin, then people with Haitian ancestors are...
Well, I do not want to extend more these observations but, in my opinion, if things like the mentioned above are not corrected and if more people without knowledge of Dominican history are left to write in this article (a blocked article!), then it will be a useless article, and harmful even for Wikipedia in general. And, please, when you unblock the article so a person could write, check if there are the needed references. -- 66.98.78.83 ( talk) 23:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I updated the population and the population density. The DR now has more than 9.7 million people and 201 people per sq km.
After further research I have also updated the GDP PPP. It is now US$100.6 billion and US$10,300 per capita.
Can someone add more to the Dominican Military and Population it needs more information on those topics so can someone please do that thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
please can someone fix the caste system theres many things wrong with it —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
you'll be ABLE TO FIND more information about hispanola the island than dominican republic concerning the caste system but i did add some references. UnclePaco ( talk) 17:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
i am in the process of making this more unique to DR thanks (Edit Summary by UnclePaco)
here is another article .
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3821/is_200404/ai_n9399394
UnclePaco (
talk) 01:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
more... http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/domrep/domrep0402-02.htm http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:UWzF4Xj3dLAJ:www.afrigeneas.com/forum-world/index.cgi%3Fnoframes%3Bread%3D95+dominican+republic+color+caste&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
UnclePaco ( talk) 01:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed a huge amount of edit warring and use of personal attacks on this particular article. I'd like to create a listing of those blocked as a result of edit warring and use of sockpuppets and meatpuppets. [ [13]] I think this will be important in future cases due to the large amounts of vandalism on this article. UnclePaco ( talk) 08:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Luciano555
[14] sockpuppet blocked due
[15] to personal attacks on myself.
UnclePaco (
talk) 08:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
BigGabriel555
[16] Edit Warring.
UnclePaco (
talk) 08:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Questionable EdwinCasadoBaez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/EdwinCasadoBaez UnclePaco ( talk) 05:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Now that you like point out some many people I block by mistake, even the one that block me admit it...basically I got set up some how...Doesn't anyone find it weird, that anyone with a Neutral or even Pro-Dominican ideas get checks left and right, while those with there Pro-Haiti agenda keep making this article more about Haiti everyday. AvFnx ( talk) 01:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason this section was removed? There was no edit summary to explain why, and no discussion on removing it.-- Rosicrucian Talk 02:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
This article is too long and still it is incomplete. Many informations have to be eliminated because they are wrong or they could be better in another article. And who is BigGrabriel555? He is making difficult to edit the page because he keep adding more wrong information; when I go to his User page, nothing! But in his (or her) Talk page you could see that he has been blocked many times; but still he can edit (in a blocked article). Why? -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 00:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocide5.htm THE ABORIGINES OF THE ANCIENT ISLAND OF HISPANIOLA http://forests.org/archive/general/columbus.htm http://pine3.info/Barbecue%20Heritage.htm http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/amholocaust-5.html UnclePaco ( talk) 07:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Very disputed information but there but information about it can be found in quite a few sources. It could go into a disputed section of history. saw a few of these discussed earlier
in english
UnclePaco ( talk) 07:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This again, no there no place for this...it been talk about already, no one see the point of this...so if i write a book the world is flat, then i should be given it all section huh!
AvFnx (
talk) 02:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
here is another article which shows a similiar point of view.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3821/is_200404/ai_n9399394
UnclePaco (
talk) 01:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
That got nothing do w/ one other, the first saying we inspire the KKK, the other saying we don't call ourself mulatto...by the way i do. It seem people then to talk w/ out knowing my country history and culture. AvFnx ( talk) 03:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please add that there are jamaicans in DR there are 29,000 Jamaicans in the Dominican Republic acordding to this site http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php (To see the data go to were it says "View:select data prespective" then go to where it says people by country, when you get there go to Dominican Republic on where it says country and then go to the peoples that you want see it will tell you how many of those people are living in DR), the same site say there are 1,200 British, 87,000 Spaniards and 800 Germens and MUCH MORE info about peoples In Dominican Republic that SHOULD be ADDED! also can you not write "some" taino blood in dominican republic and haiti because on wikepedias article of "Indians" they show a factual graph by the world factbook that shows that in DR between 40-61% of the population have Native American(Taino) blood and 1% is full Native American as well it says that between 20-35% of Haitians have Native American(Taino) blood. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE FIX THIS!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs)
Hold On...It doesnt matter wether DR would want to include transit wokers this is a fact and should be added this is an article that has to include what oes on in the nation and the people that are in it, which includes Jamaicans! also if you think that it would be as high as 26% which is a bit too high is you ask me then it shoulb stated that even though the percentage of blacks in DR is 11% there are higher numbers of both legal and ilegal imigrants and workers in DR ( Jamaicans & Haitians )...Also again the Taino part HAS to be fixed they survived and so did their desendents look at this article http://www.kacike.org/GuitarEnglish.html again I ask can someone please add these facts: Arab/lebanese: 3,100 American: 73,000 (this likely includes dominicans born in the US) British: 1,100 French: 1,800 German: 700 Chinese (two groups-Mandarine & Cantonese): 11,400 Jamaicans: 27,000 German Jew: 100 Korean: 400 Haitian: 366,000 ( May mean just legal Haitians ) Spaniard: 81,000 (this looks like it includes all other hispanic non-dominicans; if you see the site, you'll see what I mean) South Koreans: 500 Japanese: 1,800 The info again is on this site: http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php
This point only says that there are a lot of websites with useless information, without any confirmation. It is a surprised to see Jamaicans in the Dominican Republic; that is not correct. They were persons that came at the end of 19th century and during the first decades of the 20th century from the British West Indies (from the Leeward Islands); they are called cocolos. In Puerto Plata and other northern cities, they came from the Turks and Caicos Islands and they were called turkimanes. Very few came from Jamaica; they prefered to go to Cuba. Sammy Sosa and many others would be surprised to learn that they are "Jamaicans", according to that site! And I don't know where they got those figures; certainly, not from official sources.
And the site says "Hispanics", not Spaniards. It is a extremely strange term in the Dominican Republic. Does it mean Spanish people or descendants from Spanish people? Because most Dominicans descend in a way or another from Spanish. Does it mean that they came from other Spanish-speaking countries?. I do not see any use of the informations on that website, at least regarding the Dominican Republic, because of the errors and the lack of sources. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 17:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I have serious doubts that the numbers were official as well. Cocolos are a derogatory word similiar to nigger in english. Sammy Sosa, Tito Ortiz are obviously blacks and most likely of Haitian origin. Most Spaniards did not go to the new world. A lot did but not over 50% of the spanaird population. So how would you account for the population of Latin America being over 2-3x that of Spain? The population was imported. Most Dominican's are not descended from Spain..they are descended from Africa. Even if people claim that it is 11% black it is most likely 84% since 73% claim they are mulatto (black/white mix). How is it that if you go to Haiti, Jamaica, Barbados, Bahamas, Bermuda, St Vincent, etc everyone looks black but if you go to DR everyone looks black but claims they are white or mulatto or even Indio!? People are no different than African American's in terms of their looks and are mixed due to slavery (which is what happened in America). UnclePaco ( talk) 20:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok first of all "Spaniards" it is refering to desendents of spaniards that only mixed with other spaniards and are still livingin DR over the centuries and at the same time also refering to imigrants from spain. It also reffers to any spanish desendent that only has spaniard annsestory from any latin american country that live in DR...Second when they say black on thcenus they mean pure black not black as in black with some white or black with some "indio" its just pure black...as it says in the article 90% of Dominicas have african ansestry thats why in the cenus it says mixed(white/black or white/black/indian). The Taino's anscestors still live on it is a fact that indian women got pregnant by european men in DR and Haiti and to be rightfull to the other wikipedia article about Indians you should add that they show a factual graph by the world factbook that shows that in DR between 40-61% of the population have Native American(Taino) blood and 1% is full Native American as well it says that between 20-35% of Haitians have Native American(Taino) blood. So i go back to my original plea, please add the Taino info aswell as:This site is an OFFICIAL and I repeat for those who cant read an OFFICIAL sourse!!! this info is vital to both Imigration, history, culture and future of DR PLEASE ADD THIS INFO!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs)
Someone needs to give you a history lesson and a bit of manners as I can see your trying to be rude...Taino, sorry Arawak people as you prefer survived in both DR and puerto rico...Its a fact plus people of africa and european ancestry look nothing like most Dominicans better yet people that are west african and west european look nothing like most dominicans. About the one drop rule? ok? so then who are the ones actually saying that they are black on the cenus? also how is it that DR is over twice the size of puerto Rico yet "no Taino survived" it sounds almost rediculous. unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 17 December 2007
Use the four tilde's to sign what you are saying. Taino is a language, Arawak are the people.
[25] So you aren't aware of history. Taino/Arawak continued to live in Puerto Rico not in the Dominican Republic or Hispanola. They still exist in Puerto Rico
[26]. People of Africa look nothing like Dominican's? hmm.. so Tito Ortiz doesn't look African? Most Dominican's don't look African American? So Halle Berry doesn't look Dominican? Does Will Smith? They are both black! DR always compares itself to Puerto Rico but never to Cuba? why is that? The Taino's didn't survive in Hispanola because they were killed off in the island. Point blank. In Puerto Rico it was a more controlled colony so they survived easier. You spelled ridiculous wrong as well.
UnclePaco (
talk) 22:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I said people that are half white and african dont look like MOST dominicanans are you able to read? Dominicans do look African i didnt say they didnt...The spanish colonist didnt exterminate all the Tainos they didnt get to the high mountin ranges especially in San Fransico de Macoris where the spanish colonists couldnt reach as they werent used to climbing them like the Tainos can have you gave it a thought that they have formed communities up there?...also you cant deny that Dominicans do have Arawak blood.By the way this I didnt come here to learn English so dont correct me as long as I got my point across we are all good as I can tell your reading skills go beyond horibble and looks like you have NEVER been to DR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs) 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Why don't you scroll up and read what you wrote of " people of africa and european ancestry look nothing like most Dominicans" then talk! UnclePaco ( talk) 23:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
EXACTLY...Like I said...are you even Dominican? you really need to go get educated the Dominican Republic o at least step foot in DR!
I'm not European but I know European history and culture. You made an ignorant statement. Yes I have been to Dominican Republic. So again you don't know what you're talking about you apparently can barely read or understand what you wrote UnclePaco ( talk) 23:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I stil cant beleive that you've been to DR as you are obviously not Dominican...I also know European history! and your the one who cant read which I can tell as you havent read enough info about the DR...Come on lets be mature here...I cant beleive you dont agree with any info that I have to offer to the article. Souljanyn3 ( talk) 23:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulja nyn3 ( talk • contribs)
I am going to finish this exchange of ideas with: 1) Taino is a culture and the people associated with that culture (including the language, part of the culture). Arawak is a linguistic family. But it is right to use the term Taino for both the language and the people. It is similar to Spanish (or Español, if you want): it is the language and the people living in Spain. 2) Cocolo is a sub-culture in the Dominican Republic, just like Cibaeño or Samanés. The word was initially used for Haitians in the South but now it is not as derogatory as Nigger in USA. You could say Cocolo cooking, for example, but there is not a Nigger cooking. I have been studying that sub-culture for years and it would be a shame that it dissappears. But what I wanted to say that it is not right to use Jamaicans because you think that Cocolo is a "bad" word. And it is right, David Ortiz has Haitian ancestors; I am not so sure about Sammy Sosa; I should have used other examples: George Bell, Alfredo Griffith, or the poets Norberto James and Mateo Morrison. 3) As a geneticists, I am not interested in classifying people by their skin colors (or what they believe what they are); I prefer to talk in terms of population genetics and I can assure you that in this country there are not pure Tainos but their genes are present. In the study of Alvarez Perello that I mentioned above (in Caste System), he found that the Dominican population has, on average, the following percentages of "genes": 43% African, 40% European, 17% Indian. From there, you could make all the combinations that you want. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 00:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
http://www.paho.org/english/sha/prfldor.htm UnclePaco ( talk) 22:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
In the Haitian article Dominican is use less then 20 times...in the Dominican article Haiti is use over 50 times...I haven't found one country article that talk more about it neighbor then it self other then Dominican article. I really think we should change it name to Dominican/Haiti or Hispaniola. I feel that title will be more better then the one we have now. AvFnx ( talk) 01:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
That would be rediculous. They are individual and seperate countries. Apparantly, this article has been heavily modefied by people who are un-neutral in their views towards these issues. Kcuello ( talk) 19:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Alright, since you're reverting without discussion again, can you explain to me why we need two sections discussing the exact same thing? Can you explain to me why we need a whole section reprinting nearly all of Casta, when the new combined section was working on discussing that? Can you explain why you keep reverting the progress we make and referring us to the talkpage, when you're making edits without consensus yourself?-- Rosicrucian Talk 06:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I can simply reinsert all of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dominican_Republic/RacialSelfIdentification_debate and that will make this discussion go on for a while. how about dispute resolution since we are simply not agreeing? also placing in non neutral point of view edits about Ulysis Herriaux is vandalism and so are personal attacks. UnclePaco ( talk) 05:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I realize that debate and editing have gotten heated, but you folks need to be more careful. There have been several occasions today when in a rush to add new material, existing cites were broken causing the reference list to start spewing code all over the page. We don't need that.-- Rosicrucian Talk 06:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
sounds good
UnclePaco (
talk)36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
General Dominican History
http://www.hispaniola.com/dominican_republic/info/history.php
I am having difficulty understanding as to why the name of Spanish Haiti keeps getting reverted to Empereridial (spelling). The initial nation of the former colony of Santo Domingo was in fact Spanish Haiti. [33] [34] [35] [36]. I am wondering if someone could at least give me a basic understanding as to why it shouldn't be included in the article. UnclePaco ( talk) 12:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
The section Symbolism have a lot of errors and informations out of place. About the flag, it is better to include that information (that I do not think is important) in the Flag article. The information about the Lighthouse is completely wrong, and it is not a symbol. The Columbus Lighthouse was approved on December 22, 1936 in Buenos Aires by a Panamerican Conference. The first stone was put on place on March 1, 1944 by the Vice-president of the Panamerican Union. On February 7, 1948, the French architect Gleave delivered the final sketch of the monument and on April 7 of that same year started the building of the monument. Balaguer is the last link of that chain. The only thing that would remain is about the national tree and the national bird and that could be written somewhere else and eliminate this section. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 00:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why to eliminate all my changes when I have explained above the reasons for them. I eliminated some external links because they are commercial websites or they don't mean anything to the article. I have several websites and I have not put them here (and I could because it seems that nobody checks).
The section Symbolism is completely wrong. The only laws are on the national flower (Mahogany - Swietenia mahagoni, not any mahogany) and the national bird, and I kept those. There is not law declaring merengue as the national dance; the same for baseball. The Columbus Lighthouse is not a national symbol and the history is completely false (read previous discussion). And in the contents Climate and Environment problems are subsections of Symbolism!
Sánchez was not a Mestizo, he was a Mulatto and is incorrect to cite Moya Pons with a false information.
But I see that I will not be able to make changes to improve this article (a extremely long and misleading article with a lot of false information as I have said before) so I quit. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 15:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Why does this photo keep getting placed in the "Population" section, rather than in the "Sports" section?-- Rosicrucian Talk 20:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Paco, do you have a source for "U.S.-Dominican Convention for Assistance in Governing"? (or "U.S.-Dominican Treaty for Assistance in Governing") SamEV ( talk) 21:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The souce is the first one. It is an NPOV name.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/dominican-republic-1916.htm is good also.
UnclePaco (
talk) 23:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
No you won't find the name, but who is to say that we should copy a name from another website. You will find the treaty and the title and is a summary of what it was about. There may be whole dominican history books devoted to it, but different nations have different perspectives on what happened. Ask Turkey about the armenian genocide and they'll tell one story, if you ask armenia you'll be told another story. We are aiming for a neutral point of view, and US occupation isn't a neutral point of view, assistance in governing is. I can find a ton of sources that say that DR couldn't effectively govern but that would be a pro US POV. If you see extensive copy and pasting then either do some serious editing or remove it. UnclePaco ( talk) 17:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Would Intervention be better? http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-217437/Dominican-Republic ? UnclePaco ( talk) 01:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I simply can't agree. The second section could be US assistance in maintaining Dominican Political Stability might be better and neutral as well .
UnclePaco (
talk) 17:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I have presented sources that state US INTERVENTION. I'm maintaining npov so lets simply keep it there. There is a lot that I had placed in before that was properly sourced and was removed by you. Like here [37] If you choose to go ahead with your edit there is going to be an edit war. So don't make aggressive actions and lets make a consensus. UnclePaco ( talk) 04:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
i've presented sources. US INTERVENTION is fair for a second section. US Occupation isn't NPOV at all! Point blank. If you like we can simply go for dispute resolution and that'll solve the problem. Simply because you aren't satisfied with a source doesnt' make it non worthwhile.
secondly on the second version the lives of the Arawak Indians and Caribs during the Spanish Colonial period is extremely important and was sourced. All you simply did was change a ton of things and included those. YOU are teh one who stated taht you'll make aggressive actions and stated you'll ignore consensus here. [38] UnclePaco ( talk) 17:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Che was about the truth and being fair. Thus my rationale for the npov. I am perfectly fine with it staying the way it is, i made a compromise for the split of the section to be called US intervention. So if you want to separate and call the first us assistance and the other us intervention then go for it.
Secondly it wasn't the spaniards who were genocidal manaics it was some of the conquistodors. Much of it was not from forums. Most of them were articles. They were not extermist sources, simply historical sources and accounts. It's like grouping all Germans with Nazi's. The Arawaks were killed at a much higher percentage than the jews were in Europe but for some reason you don't deem it necessary to the article. Can you explain why? Did I not have enough sources? UnclePaco ( talk) 11:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Can Someone please add a Foreign Relations section please i seen it in the other Countries in Latin America so i think the Dominican Republic needs one thank you to who ever does it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gman555 ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
So for all of those people who think that Dominicans are decendents of indians; and that indians weren't killed off. How similiar do they look? http://thorup.com/cuna.html UnclePaco ( talk) 17:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ET1qY8Tch_kJ:www.umich.edu/~ac213/student_projects/lm/history.html+dominican+day+parade+violence&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=19&gl=us UnclePaco ( talk) 11:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
can someone please add a tourism section because allot of Latin American countries have a Tourism section so i think we need one please and thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I have redone the Geography section trying to eliminate duplicate informations and the subtitles (they are not needed). If more information is needed, it could be added in the article Geography of the Dominican Republic. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 01:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the area of the country, in this article the figure is 48,921 and it says that its rank is 130 but when you go to the page List of countries and outlying territories by total area the area is 48,671. I have never seen the figure 48,921 and that is why I am asking for a cite. It seems that it something of BigGabriel555 because it has appeared (and considered as vandalism not by me) in other articles. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 01:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Let's see if we can agree on something. BigGrabriel555 has put a cite to support his figure; it is a commercial website. Could it be more accurate than the CIA - World Factsheet, the Dominican Statistics Office, and other organizations with a different figure? If you accept that the figure given en www.hispaniola.net is the correct one, then I will acept that and Wikipedia will be giving a false information. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 22:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I am going to give some reported figures to see if we can reach a consensus:
-- Pepemar2 ( talk) 00:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I have checked many Wikipedias and most of them states that the area is 48,730 which is normal because they are using the World Factbook data. So I think that we could use that value, too. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 02:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you just take your time reading it? SamEV ( talk) 22:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
acording to wikipedia they are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas and not only in Dominican Republic but in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti and Jamaica...If true than it should be added to the article as well as some info from this site: http://www.kacike.org/GuitarEnglish.html & this discussion should be taken in thought/note: http://www.dr1.com/forums/archive/t-25211.html -- Soulja nyn3 ( talk) 03:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
No, tainos are not alive on neither of those caribbean islands, as a matter of fact I think they're extinct. - Comment added by an anonymous dominican resident, who happens to be an historian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.88.37.91 ( talk) 06:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
It is impossible to edit this article because BigGabriel555 thinks that it belongs to him; there is not way of talking with him or to reach a consensus. He has been asked to answer some accusations in a RfC and he does not answer. I know that he doesn't read the discussions but, just in case, answer the RfC before keeping working in this page. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 18:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
i dont think it belongs to me but its better to leave the geography like that because it goes into more detail —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGabriel555 ([[User talkuraguay people are fat |talk]] • contribs) 21:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I want to explain why I have deleted what was recently written on national symbols because it is the second time that I do so. A national symbol is something that has been proclaimed by a law or decree to represent the country (the Constitution does that for the flag and coat of arms). In the Dominican Republic, the national flower (mahogany) was proclaimed by the Decree 2944 of August 21, 1957, and the national bird (palm chat) was proclaimed by the Decree 31 of January 14, 1987. There is nothing in relation to a national dance (and it would be very strange to have a national dance) and there is not a national stone. The amber is fossilized resin, not a stone, so it cannot be the national stone (national gem?). I erase also the part on Larimar because it repeated what was written in its own article ( Larimar), including the same errors. -- Pepemar2 ( talk) 01:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
What details are missing? Work with us here, Gabriel. You've already been reported for violating the 3RR yesterday, and you're still reverting. Why?-- Rosicrucian Talk 02:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
BigGabriel555, I too ask you to please (pretty please), tell us what on earth it is you want in that section. But we need to know more than what you've said so far. What are those details? SamEV ( talk) 18:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
B, I completely oppose your decision. There's no need to be Solomonic here, as there's a clear right and wrong. Please take a look at BigGabriel555's talkpage. It's riddled with warnings of all species. He's promised humbly to mend his ways, recognizing, in one of his messages after a block, that he's not the only editor and should talk and compromise. Only he gets right back at it, as if nothing had happened. He's probably beyond salvage. SamEV ( talk) 18:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} who ever reads this message can you please undo the edit of SamEV to the geography of the Dominican Republic because the older edit goes into more detail about the geography than SamEV's edit so please if you can can you undo please and thank you from BigGabriel555
BigGabriel555- The reason the Geography section doesn't have to go into exhaustive detail is because the Geography of the Dominican Republic article was split off. Thus, the section in the country article is an overview, and the "Main Article" link at the top of it is for people who want more detail. This helps keep the Dominican Republic article a manageable size and improves readability.-- Rosicrucian Talk 16:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
i want to apologize for every thing i have done i thought i was helping the page but i was actually hurting it from now own i want cooperate with all the people of wikipedia i am sorry lets make this page great
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yes thats what i am saying we shouldn't be fighting we all just want make this page great so im sorry BigGabriel555 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
BigGabriel555 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
There's a section of it marked for you to post your version of events.-- Rosicrucian Talk 02:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
What Rosicrucian said. SamEV ( talk) 02:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
alright i did it i hope we can make this page great BigGabriel555 ( talk) 21:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a very big issue with the below sentence under the cusine section:
" Breakfast usually consists of eggs and mangú (a boiled cassava or some other root vegetable). "
Mangu is in escence boiled plantains that are smashed into a consistency identical to mashed potatoes. Cassava (called Yuca or Yuca Root) is one of the main breakfast items, however it has nothing to do with mangu. Please edit accordingly since the page is locked for edits Kcuello ( talk) 19:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
i have bin trying to find a good site about tourism in the D.R. but i coudn't can someone help find a site so we can fill the tourism section of the D.R. BigGabriel555 ( talk) 22:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Should we keep the info on the museums? I only added that in order to balance the paragraph about the Lighthouse. SamEV ( talk) 22:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
All right. I said the article size should be reduced. So why did I add more content? There's a method to the madness. I think it helps to have all the key information in the article before taking out the scalpel. That way we'll have a better idea of where and what to cut. SamEV ( talk) 22:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
The article says DR is a lower-middle income country, but according to the IMF it's really an upper middle income country.
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The section titled US Intervention does not segue into the Trujillo Era section. There is a huge disconnect between the end of the former and the beginning of the latter; no explanation is given of how Trujillo came to power or through which means. ***philosopher2king 4/13/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosopher2king ( talk • contribs) 22:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I didn't want to flag this article but the Balaguer section needed to be a bit more balanced. I don't think there is a Dominican alive without strong political sympathies, and Balaguer leaves no one apathetic. However, he did more than just "cut back on civil liberties and grow a disparity between rich and poor"; he built an incredible infrastructure and provided relatively sound social services. I edited for balance. philosopher2king 4/13/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosopher2king ( talk • contribs) 23:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Editors are sometimes picking out numbers from articles whose conclusions argue otherwise. I deleted one number (and cite) that was covered by the review in the following article from Archaeology, in which the author gave an overview of research through the years, but also the reasons for why people had come to a consensus on lower numbers.-- Parkwells ( talk) 11:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Could i have a list of people that may be interested on joining the Dominican Republic Wikiproject, Everybody is welcomed, please join! EdwinCasadoBaez ( talk) 08:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that the History section is to fragmented into sub-sections. Looking at other articles like for example United States, Puerto Rico, Mexico and others have a more generalized history section. I think that we should make a more detailed separate article about the history of the Dominican Republic but make a shorter one here because having so many sub-sections could become even confusing, besides, Sections like the Tainos, and French Rule are bearly a paragraph long while others like U.S intervention are to long for the article.
Can we reach concensus on what should be done here? EdwinCasadoBaez ( talk) 19:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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Can we request a split of the Sport Section? I may add some content, not just about baseball, but other sport we practice here in the Dominican Republic. My request is creation of Sport in the Dominican Republic and expand the content.Oscar987 04:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Osplace ( talk • contribs)
The province Matias Ramon Mella do NOT exist. Even with congressional aproval, the president returned the project. And Please, a blog is NOT a source. All maps and geography linked to this "New" Province have to be fixed. I will deleted the section, please help to improve the quality of the information given here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Osplace ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I eliminated the provincial flags in the list of provinces because they take a lot of time to load. And I have serious doubts on being the true flags; all of them have been created by the same user mainly for the articles on Miss Universe. But that same user created an article on the "Old Province of Colón", something completely absurd, and says that there are more of 10,000 people living in Catalina Island and the same in Beata Island (and the population is divided in Urban and Rural!).-- Pepemar2 ( talk) 21:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Hopefully, the problem will be fixed by the time anyone reads this. Someone has randomly typed the words "Retard" and "Retarded" throughout the article. Just do ctrl+F. Also, the prankster typed the name "Micheal Jackson[sic]" in an area that was talking about 19th century history! Wikipedia is an excellent website and I was flabbergasted to see this! How do I report this? Is this all I need to do? NateMcGreg ( talk) 21:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)NateMcGreg
I restored the numbered map because the labelled one added two hours ago ( Template:Dominican_Republic_Labelled_Map) has too many unnecessarily shortened names. For example: "San José de Ocoa" is composed of short words. There's no need to abbreviate to "SJO". Again, "Monseñor" (Nouel) will also fit within the province's borders. Etc. A slightly different problem is the positioning. The name of Independencia province will fit inside the borders if it is merely moved further down from its currrent position on the labelled map. SamEV ( talk) 04:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I still do not see any reason to change the map in this article; it takes a long time to upload if your cache is clean. Maybe in another article. I will not do anything about it; I am tired. -- Jmarcano ( talk) 21:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The map using the globe is not a good idea in my opinion. The Dominican Republic takes up only a portion of an island, and this map is zoomed out so much that you cannot really see this. It looks as if the entire island is the country. Debollweevil ( talk) 07:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dominican_Republic contains a section about D R Economy; and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Dominican_Republic is devoted only to the the description of the Dominican economy. Both pages are subject to improvement. Shouldn’t they be merged first? Jabato60 ( talk) 02:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
It is proposed that the newly created article US attempted Annexation of the Dominican Republic be merged into the History section of the present page. Please discuss below this line. -- Zlerman ( talk) 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
The sentence " Tainos called out for American G.I. Joes occupying that region or specifically siempre atoll during this time lapse." appears to have been added on 14:17, 25 September 2009 [ [41]]. Can anyone decipher the intended meaning? If not, it should be struck out. Wakablogger2 ( talk) 22:18, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
The Constitution states that the lower ribbon in the coat of arms has its tips upward. The coat in the article is from the 60's Constitution. Please correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.80.241.98 ( talk) 18:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
This is very very bad! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.156.143.16 ( talk) 16:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
No credible source says that the Dominican Republic is 70.1% Black, 28.6% Mulatto, 1.3% White, they all say that the country is 73% mixed race, 16% white and 11% black. Can someone change that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.237.250.114 ( talk) 22:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Dominican Republic has more than 11% black people someone should change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.72.160 ( talk) 16:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
"The country suffers from marked income inequality" - I cannot find that in the reference, please give a page number. Also saying it "gives a Gini index as 49.9, which is high" does not justify the use of the word "maldistribution". From the Wikipedia article Gini index: "As a mathematical measure of inequality, the Gini coefficient does not necessarily entail any value judgement, i.e. the "rightness" or "wrongness" of a particular level of equality". In other words, the distribution might be fair but unequal. Nor does it justify the word "high". From the same Wikipedia article: "The Gini index for the entire world has been estimated by various parties to be between 56 and 66". For reference purposes, the Gini index of the US is 46.6 as of 2008. PAR ( talk) 20:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Someone should do an article of Afro dominicans, since they'v already done an article of Afro Cubans —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.72.160 ( talk) 22:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Why you want to add Afro? I mean when these people got their independence they called their country Dominican Republic. OK! —Preceding
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The Dominican Republic ethnic group make up is wrong. I think this is incorrect, 73% mixed, 16% white, and 11% black. When it comes to Dominican Republic everybody knows that the Dominican Republic has alot more than 11% black, someone should change that, because the majority of Dominicans in Dominican Republic is black or predominatly black. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.72.160 ( talk) 21:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah i agree with that, Dominican Republic has alot more black people than 11% for crist sake the cia world factbook is not telling the truth, anyone in the world knows that the majority of dominicans are black, who in their right mind would put 73% mixed 16% white 11% black, if you ask me i think its more like this 70% black 20% mixed and 10% white and other, you guys are ganna have to look for a site with a much more realistic ethnic make up for dominican republic OK !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.167.140.89 ( talk) 02:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree, but why can´t you guys aleast put 84% black and multiracial, 16% white. I mean is it really that hard you just add 11% black and 73% multiracial together, i mean practically everybody knows that would be better and would make sense definatley, and also everybody knows that the 73% is just blacks basically but with very little white in them, im dominican myself, and realized that we´er all basically blacks and mulattoes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.166.128.44 ( talk) 14:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
that is really a matter of opinion. when you look at the dominican republic you'll see that the one drop rule works in reverse.
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Showing two images of Trujillo seems excessive. Which one should we keep? SamEV ( talk) 17:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement over whether this article would be better with a paragraph about sex tourism. Rather than edit-war, I'll simply ask: Do we agree that this information is important to an understanding of this subject, or no? - FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 23:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
alright, if you look at the nation of lesotho, you will see that it has an extremely high HIV rate. somewhere around 50%. is it damaging to a nations image yes, but is it true? yes it is. it is even highlighted on the page [44]. There are a number of nations where sex tourism is major as can be seen in various wiki articles including [ [45]]. To me i don't differentiate between underage, such as statistics between people of 6 to 11 and 12 to 16. They are still underage and it is illegal according to DR laws. I don't see how anyone at the age of 12 can consent to have sex with a 40 year old or even a 20 year old. The age of consent in DR is 18 [46]. So when people are having sex with underage children, and even in a wiki article sex tourism DR is listed, why wouldn't we have a section of it in the DR article? The websites were US governmental websites, which isn't slanted. The CIA is a governmental website and it is used for the population statistics of black, white and mixed race as seen above. If you go to the Thailand article sex tourism is mentioned. There is even a whole article of Prostitution in Thailand. I'm not saying that DR should have a whole article, but if it exists and is a significant industry in DR we should mention it. CashRules ( talk) 03:40, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes it is a significant industry in DR. How can you say it's not? It is a significant industry in Thailand, Brazil, and Dominican Republic. Other nations articles contain whole sections on it, even whole articles. do you think a whole article is better? the google test shows it is significant [47]. If you think the US government is unreliable why is it used as a major reliable source for other things in the article which other places my dispute. Even Elockid [48] is fine with the use of US government webiste. Even you in the past were ok with the US of the CIA as a source when someone changed statistics! [49] CashRules ( talk) 04:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
what is this good guys? bad guys pov that you present SamEV? As I said before, I've been blocked Zero Times for edit wars, while you've been blocked twice. So you might not be the good guy that you present yourself to be! Back to BilCat, I don't see anywhere it says that the CIA gets its statistics from other nations. I'd rather at this point have a small section that talks about it. If it grows even larger a separate article might be worthwhile. There are a number of strong articles, including [51], [52], and [53] . so has any consensus been reached? you say you're ok with a separate article, but what of an inclusion in this article? CashRules ( talk) 06:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Both of you seem to piggyback on each others replies. are you two the same person or close friends by any chance? you ask how big of a problem is it? if you look at the portion you deleted, [55] the harvard article mentions DR as a problem area for child prostitution [56], the Organization of American States has in it's countries report listed Dominican Republic as an area of Child prostitution [57]. In addition you can see that "UNICEF notes that a total of 25,455 minors are employed as prostitutes, and that of that total, 14,508 (57%) practice prostitution in the areas in which they had gone to school." In a population of 9 million, 25,000 is a lot. it is .2% of the population as a whole. If that were the United States it would be 600,000 child prostitutes! The United States has a risk of .1% of children being child prostitutes [58], so DR is double that! Now can you see why it is a problem? CashRules ( talk) 07:27, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
How is what I said a personal attack? I asked a simple question and asked if you knew each other. Both you and BilCat have never assumed good faith when it comes to me. He has apologized you haven't. You can undo the edit, but it was also suggested by Elockid that it be included in the article. So what is your disagreement? CashRules ( talk) 03:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Sam, you already have reverted CR's edits on several occasions, well past 3RR if I recall correctly, but you've not stated you wouldn't do that again until he is blocked. What am I supposed to think you'll do the next time CR edits?? Hence the firmer warning. Before making my previous set of comments, I did read your report, except for the diffs, as I didn't have the time to spend on that. I intended to do that later.
As to CR's and other editors blowing the issues out of proportion, I asked as many questions as I could think of to clarify the issue. However, the prostitution article answered the ones CR didn't (which I did notice, btw!) I tried to be as neutral as I could in writing the part I added to this article, but without direct evidence that some disagree with the assertions being made here, and why, that's all I could do. - BilCat ( talk) 20:43, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I edited the "Ethnicity" sub-section to incorporate sourced material about the presence of native Taínos genes in the Dominican population. Dr. Juan Carlos Martínez Cruzado, head of the Biology Department at UPR Mayagüez published the results of his research on this matter yesterday. The study is entitled "Orígenes continentales de las primeras poblaciones de las islas del Caribe y los movimientos migratorios que los formaron. ADNmt en República Dominicana" ("Continental origins of the first populations of the Caribbean islands and the migratory movements which formed them. DNA in Dominican Republic").
The online edition of Dominican Newspaper has a more detailed account here in Spanish. According to Listin's report, a previous study carried out in 1948 by Dominican Researcher José de Jesús Alvarez Perelló found that at least 17% of Dominicans carries indigenous genes.
I'll try to see if I can get a link to Dr. Martínez Cruzado report. Should make an interesting read. Ulises ( talk) 00:02, 18 June 2010 (UTC)ujorge
The reason I removed a portion of the baseball in the article was because there is more to DR than just baseball. The whole sports scene previously was essentially baseball and a few sentences on other sports. Japan itself has a stronger baseball league, but does not put its sporting emphasis on baseball. One of the statements isn't NPOV. I also believe that professional wrestling should be included in the article since it is (1) of historic value and (2) to some considered to be a sport. At the very least it should be sports-entertainment. Arcadio Brito and Rafael Sanchez. CashRules ( talk) 20:26, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Since I was reverted by use SamEv, I am not going to get into a revert war. [60] The fact remains though that Gabriel Mercedes is a silver medalist in Tae Kwon Do, and not Judo. Will someone please look at this. If I revert SamEV he will most likely start an edit war and warn me like has previously happened. CashRules ( talk) 20:37, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
The ethnicity of the Dominican Republic is 73% multiracial, 16% white, and 11% black am i correct, anyways i noticed that this is from the CIA World FactBook, but why is it that in this website [61] it says that 80% of Dominicans are black and that 20% are white or of mixed-race(multiracial) and there's another website that says the same thing (80%) black and (20%) white/mixed but i can't find the website i saw it the other day but anyways, that's my question? 190.80.225.146 ( talk) 08:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)