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Americo-centric

The article as it stands deals mainly with ethnic diasporas in the United States, and the quoted theory is visibly derived from US case studies. The 'homeland' cases are those which are important for US foreign policy, again reflecting a bias in US diaspora studies. In addition, the article takes terms such as diaspora and homeland at face value, whne in fact they are politically disputed enities. A comparison with the Vertriebene would illustrate how little fact there is in such terminology, and how much politics. Paul111 19:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC) reply

A solution may be to rename this article "Diaspora politics in the United States" and then start another article on the more general case.

Seems a reasonable option. Paul111 11:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Biased

The article is written from the POV of just one scholar, Yossi Shain. There are other problems with it, though. For example, the section on conflicting loyalties focuses entirely on the Jewish community, as if for other diasporas, this is not an issue. Furthermore, the widely discredited paper by Mearsheimer and Watt is presented uncontested, even though this pseudoscholarship has no place on Wikipedia outside the article about itself. Beit Or 07:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

I am going to replace the "POV" tag with a "more sources" as that better captures your complaint. -- 70.48.69.25 16:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Tone is un-encyclopedic at times

Folks, the tone of this article seems to me to be one more suited for a textbook or magazine article:

"To understand a diaspora's politics, one must first understand its historical context and attachments: "
"Diasporas are thus understood as transnational political entities"
"Thus, from the perspective of the diaspora, the homeland's "political and territorial fate has profound implications."
"it is assumed that a state, in order to act coherently in the international system, must . . ."

Also, as noted above, this article seems to be primarily a regurgitation of the work of Yossi Shain and does not present a comprehensive viewpoint. Madman 16:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply


I don't know how to add more sources, but this seems important: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/22/weekinreview/22luo.graphic.ready.html



How about we transplant this whole article into Yossi Shain's? This misrepresents Diaspora studies by framing it through one thinker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.90.130 ( talk) 16:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC) reply

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Americo-centric

The article as it stands deals mainly with ethnic diasporas in the United States, and the quoted theory is visibly derived from US case studies. The 'homeland' cases are those which are important for US foreign policy, again reflecting a bias in US diaspora studies. In addition, the article takes terms such as diaspora and homeland at face value, whne in fact they are politically disputed enities. A comparison with the Vertriebene would illustrate how little fact there is in such terminology, and how much politics. Paul111 19:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC) reply

A solution may be to rename this article "Diaspora politics in the United States" and then start another article on the more general case.

Seems a reasonable option. Paul111 11:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Biased

The article is written from the POV of just one scholar, Yossi Shain. There are other problems with it, though. For example, the section on conflicting loyalties focuses entirely on the Jewish community, as if for other diasporas, this is not an issue. Furthermore, the widely discredited paper by Mearsheimer and Watt is presented uncontested, even though this pseudoscholarship has no place on Wikipedia outside the article about itself. Beit Or 07:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

I am going to replace the "POV" tag with a "more sources" as that better captures your complaint. -- 70.48.69.25 16:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Tone is un-encyclopedic at times

Folks, the tone of this article seems to me to be one more suited for a textbook or magazine article:

"To understand a diaspora's politics, one must first understand its historical context and attachments: "
"Diasporas are thus understood as transnational political entities"
"Thus, from the perspective of the diaspora, the homeland's "political and territorial fate has profound implications."
"it is assumed that a state, in order to act coherently in the international system, must . . ."

Also, as noted above, this article seems to be primarily a regurgitation of the work of Yossi Shain and does not present a comprehensive viewpoint. Madman 16:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply


I don't know how to add more sources, but this seems important: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/22/weekinreview/22luo.graphic.ready.html



How about we transplant this whole article into Yossi Shain's? This misrepresents Diaspora studies by framing it through one thinker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.90.130 ( talk) 16:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC) reply


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