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Please take the discussion here rather than continuing the revert war. Qqqqqq ( talk) 16:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Creation of Controversies Section Needed for more objective treatment of controversial statements/issues? I see that the homosexuality stuff keeps getting put back up along with the firefighter issues. PLEASE stop putting these things under the same headings as issues. Issues headings I believe are more meant to be about his official positions on things. A quote on AIDS from 1994 is not some official position on gays/gay rights/homosexuality etc. If this must be put in, it would be better housed under some section pertaining to "Controversies" or the like. A section in the page like this would be a much better catch-all than the subjective editing and biased inclusion of things that don't belong under policy positions or objective treatment of issues Tadamsmt ( talk) 10:13, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Objectivity of some sources I've noticed, especially in sourcing the boating accident that many of the primary news articles are not objective in that they are just reporters quoting his political opponents. Although the Billings Gazette or Missoulian would be reputable sources, when they just publish quotes and press releases from political opponents, a better, more objective source should be used. If one cannot be found, I don't believe it passes muster of objectivity enough to include in article Tadamsmt ( talk) 10:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and engage an administrator here, because you seem intent on attacking me personally. I'm disappointed that we've been unable to come to a better agreement on how best to include the facts while meeting WikiPolicy. Kozitt ( talk) 14:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I had properly sourced material for facts such as Rehberg's release of his BAC as .05, which is legally sober at the time it was taken, but indicates that he must have been drunk at the time of the eminently predictable accident. I included links to calculators, and went through the trouble of looking up his weight, which is a factor in how many drinks it would have taken to get to the level he was finally measured at, and how long it would have taken to get back down to .05.
Rehberg has had a prior history of alcohol-associated difficulties that are relevant to the issue.
Kozitt removed those edits or moved them to another's page.
There is no question that an employer has a responsibility for the safety of his or her employees. Rehberg did not meet that test. Kozitt's edits have tried to bury that core aspect of the boat crash. I hesitate to call it an "accident" as it was almost inevitable given Barkus' state and behavior.
My assumption that Kozitt was a relative, friend, paid employee of Rehberg or was someone else with a vested interest in submurging his responsibility in the crash, such as a lobbyist from special interest whose agenda Rehberg supports, has not been dispelled by her reverts on other pages or her explanations. For instance, she reverted posted material about Land O' Lakes, not because it wasn't true, but because she disputed the source. Similarly, she covered "The Devil Wore Prada," whose main character has been the subject of a negative campaign the same source as had originated the deleted Land O' Lakes material.
Kozitt seems to feel that a NPOV is a standard that others must meet, while exempting herself from such strictures.
Activist ( talk) 17:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm creating a section here so that we can properly discuss this issue. First, please note that it is customary to sign posts to the talk page using 4 ~ I assume I'm speaking to User:Activist, as we've been going back and forth on this issue quite a bit.
You're incorrect about my background. Take a look at my user page and contribution history--I'm just a gal who likes for things to be properly cited. That said, your contribution history reveals someone with a distinct point of view who is a motivated editor. I can respect that--having your type, your type on the other side and my type around are how Wikipedia works, but you'll want to back off of having a problem with me personally.
As for the edits, clearly I have no problem with the facts of the events as supported by independent sources, but you cannot continue to include information that is not supported by independent, third-party sources based on the obviously strong feelings that you have. The information included in the article must be verifiable (see WP:VERIFY) and it must come from a neutral point of view (see WP:NPOV). Once your edits meet those standards, we'll have no problem. Until such time, I'll continue to clean them up. Thanks! Kozitt ( talk) 18:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Kozitt appears determined to keep any and all vaguely negative material off Rehberg's page.
An apparently intoxicated Rehberg got on a boat and two of his salaried staffers joined him on it. It was piloted by his extremely intoxicated friend who has a DUI arrest history and Rehberg never intervened as the boat careened out-of-control around the lake.
Rehberg's poor judgment, nearly cost one staffer, Dustin Frost, his life. Frost will have permanent brain damage as a result of the crash. Rehberg was responsible for his young employees who were on the job and he failed them in neglecting to exercise that responsibility. The Congressman was clearly complicit in their injuries.
Wikipedia is not a service and site that exists for self-promotion of politicians, but Kozitt seems determined that it so function.
After being part of this article for over a decade, this amply-supported section that had been read by thousands of Wikipedia readers, was removed. All employers have a fundamental obligation to preserve the safety of their workers. Activist ( talk) 03:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Mining Companies Back Friend’s Bid for Senate by ERIC LIPTON Published: December 23, 2011 99.190.86.5 ( talk) 05:58, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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Please take the discussion here rather than continuing the revert war. Qqqqqq ( talk) 16:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Creation of Controversies Section Needed for more objective treatment of controversial statements/issues? I see that the homosexuality stuff keeps getting put back up along with the firefighter issues. PLEASE stop putting these things under the same headings as issues. Issues headings I believe are more meant to be about his official positions on things. A quote on AIDS from 1994 is not some official position on gays/gay rights/homosexuality etc. If this must be put in, it would be better housed under some section pertaining to "Controversies" or the like. A section in the page like this would be a much better catch-all than the subjective editing and biased inclusion of things that don't belong under policy positions or objective treatment of issues Tadamsmt ( talk) 10:13, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Objectivity of some sources I've noticed, especially in sourcing the boating accident that many of the primary news articles are not objective in that they are just reporters quoting his political opponents. Although the Billings Gazette or Missoulian would be reputable sources, when they just publish quotes and press releases from political opponents, a better, more objective source should be used. If one cannot be found, I don't believe it passes muster of objectivity enough to include in article Tadamsmt ( talk) 10:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and engage an administrator here, because you seem intent on attacking me personally. I'm disappointed that we've been unable to come to a better agreement on how best to include the facts while meeting WikiPolicy. Kozitt ( talk) 14:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I had properly sourced material for facts such as Rehberg's release of his BAC as .05, which is legally sober at the time it was taken, but indicates that he must have been drunk at the time of the eminently predictable accident. I included links to calculators, and went through the trouble of looking up his weight, which is a factor in how many drinks it would have taken to get to the level he was finally measured at, and how long it would have taken to get back down to .05.
Rehberg has had a prior history of alcohol-associated difficulties that are relevant to the issue.
Kozitt removed those edits or moved them to another's page.
There is no question that an employer has a responsibility for the safety of his or her employees. Rehberg did not meet that test. Kozitt's edits have tried to bury that core aspect of the boat crash. I hesitate to call it an "accident" as it was almost inevitable given Barkus' state and behavior.
My assumption that Kozitt was a relative, friend, paid employee of Rehberg or was someone else with a vested interest in submurging his responsibility in the crash, such as a lobbyist from special interest whose agenda Rehberg supports, has not been dispelled by her reverts on other pages or her explanations. For instance, she reverted posted material about Land O' Lakes, not because it wasn't true, but because she disputed the source. Similarly, she covered "The Devil Wore Prada," whose main character has been the subject of a negative campaign the same source as had originated the deleted Land O' Lakes material.
Kozitt seems to feel that a NPOV is a standard that others must meet, while exempting herself from such strictures.
Activist ( talk) 17:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm creating a section here so that we can properly discuss this issue. First, please note that it is customary to sign posts to the talk page using 4 ~ I assume I'm speaking to User:Activist, as we've been going back and forth on this issue quite a bit.
You're incorrect about my background. Take a look at my user page and contribution history--I'm just a gal who likes for things to be properly cited. That said, your contribution history reveals someone with a distinct point of view who is a motivated editor. I can respect that--having your type, your type on the other side and my type around are how Wikipedia works, but you'll want to back off of having a problem with me personally.
As for the edits, clearly I have no problem with the facts of the events as supported by independent sources, but you cannot continue to include information that is not supported by independent, third-party sources based on the obviously strong feelings that you have. The information included in the article must be verifiable (see WP:VERIFY) and it must come from a neutral point of view (see WP:NPOV). Once your edits meet those standards, we'll have no problem. Until such time, I'll continue to clean them up. Thanks! Kozitt ( talk) 18:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Kozitt appears determined to keep any and all vaguely negative material off Rehberg's page.
An apparently intoxicated Rehberg got on a boat and two of his salaried staffers joined him on it. It was piloted by his extremely intoxicated friend who has a DUI arrest history and Rehberg never intervened as the boat careened out-of-control around the lake.
Rehberg's poor judgment, nearly cost one staffer, Dustin Frost, his life. Frost will have permanent brain damage as a result of the crash. Rehberg was responsible for his young employees who were on the job and he failed them in neglecting to exercise that responsibility. The Congressman was clearly complicit in their injuries.
Wikipedia is not a service and site that exists for self-promotion of politicians, but Kozitt seems determined that it so function.
After being part of this article for over a decade, this amply-supported section that had been read by thousands of Wikipedia readers, was removed. All employers have a fundamental obligation to preserve the safety of their workers. Activist ( talk) 03:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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