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Should the following deleted information from a now-missing article entirtles "The Dell Hymes Model of Speaking" be included in this article. I think it should.
I have removed the reference to Noam Chomsky in the "Significance of Work" section (that is, removed the clause " . . . which puts him very much at odds with the linguistic theories of Noam Chomsky.") It is mildly stylistically awkward, since it suggests Hymes himself is at odds with a theory. It probably should read the Hymes' theory is at odds with Chomsky's theory. More importantly, it is not correct. One of the most recent publications in which this is addressed is a 2005 article (Fitch et al. 2005. The evolution of the language faculty: Clarifications and implications. Cognition (97), pp. 179-210). The authors (of which Chomsky is one) point out that they are specifically interested in forming theories about one part of the biological make-up of humans, called "faculty of language narrow" in the article. At most this is a theory about a subset set of the concerns of Dell Hymes, and as such is not at odds with his theories about language. Fitch et al. explicitly note that there are many more topics that fall under the study of language in general, and that their hypothesis about FLN is not in conflict with broader theories of communication of language use. pete212 21:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I refer to footnote 4 of the article: What the hell is a sleeping language? I've been a linguist for decades and have never heard the term. I get a sense, being familiar with the tongue in questions, that's what meant is moribund or something of the sort, but I must know if the contributor in question specifically meant sleeping or, like too many others working on linguistics articles, just pulled something out of their ass when they did not know the proper terminology. Dr. C.S. Lewis-Barrie, Ph.D. ( talk) 22:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
These are not references, they are footnotes with unreferenced material. I think 1 can be resolved with http://jasonbairdjackson.com/2009/11/16/dell-hymes-passing/. Can anyone find a real reference for 5? -- 69.56.106.238 ( talk) 11:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Since Hymes wrote a number of things in 1974, it is not clear which of those references is meant by Hymes (1974). The usual notation would be to have Hymes (1974a), Hymes (1974b) in the bibliography and refer to the appropriate one whenever suitable. ( 143.205.51.91 ( talk) 11:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC))
He apparently has/had a daughter who is a mental-health pateints' advocate" http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/she-fought-for-patients-rights-then-she-was-put-in-a-hospital-against-her-will/2015/01/31/c306f01c-a1b0-11e4-903f-9f2faf7cd9fe_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1 211.225.33.104 ( talk) 12:20, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
There's a statement in the lead paragraph that Hymes was accused of sexual harassment later in his career, but there's no mention of it in the article. I think a section should be added at the end of the article providing more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karen McNeil ( talk • contribs) 13:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
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Should the following deleted information from a now-missing article entirtles "The Dell Hymes Model of Speaking" be included in this article. I think it should.
I have removed the reference to Noam Chomsky in the "Significance of Work" section (that is, removed the clause " . . . which puts him very much at odds with the linguistic theories of Noam Chomsky.") It is mildly stylistically awkward, since it suggests Hymes himself is at odds with a theory. It probably should read the Hymes' theory is at odds with Chomsky's theory. More importantly, it is not correct. One of the most recent publications in which this is addressed is a 2005 article (Fitch et al. 2005. The evolution of the language faculty: Clarifications and implications. Cognition (97), pp. 179-210). The authors (of which Chomsky is one) point out that they are specifically interested in forming theories about one part of the biological make-up of humans, called "faculty of language narrow" in the article. At most this is a theory about a subset set of the concerns of Dell Hymes, and as such is not at odds with his theories about language. Fitch et al. explicitly note that there are many more topics that fall under the study of language in general, and that their hypothesis about FLN is not in conflict with broader theories of communication of language use. pete212 21:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I refer to footnote 4 of the article: What the hell is a sleeping language? I've been a linguist for decades and have never heard the term. I get a sense, being familiar with the tongue in questions, that's what meant is moribund or something of the sort, but I must know if the contributor in question specifically meant sleeping or, like too many others working on linguistics articles, just pulled something out of their ass when they did not know the proper terminology. Dr. C.S. Lewis-Barrie, Ph.D. ( talk) 22:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
These are not references, they are footnotes with unreferenced material. I think 1 can be resolved with http://jasonbairdjackson.com/2009/11/16/dell-hymes-passing/. Can anyone find a real reference for 5? -- 69.56.106.238 ( talk) 11:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Since Hymes wrote a number of things in 1974, it is not clear which of those references is meant by Hymes (1974). The usual notation would be to have Hymes (1974a), Hymes (1974b) in the bibliography and refer to the appropriate one whenever suitable. ( 143.205.51.91 ( talk) 11:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC))
He apparently has/had a daughter who is a mental-health pateints' advocate" http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/she-fought-for-patients-rights-then-she-was-put-in-a-hospital-against-her-will/2015/01/31/c306f01c-a1b0-11e4-903f-9f2faf7cd9fe_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1 211.225.33.104 ( talk) 12:20, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
There's a statement in the lead paragraph that Hymes was accused of sexual harassment later in his career, but there's no mention of it in the article. I think a section should be added at the end of the article providing more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karen McNeil ( talk • contribs) 13:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC)