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How should polling on the Canadian monarchy and royal family be presented? 05:22, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I did not remove 13 years worth of polling data; as I explained in my edit summary, I removed (a ridiculous and still growing amount) of editors' interpretations of polls or, worse, interpretations of media interpretations of polls (which could not even consider the actual questions asked). I, in fact, kept all the actual polls and added two more, linking to them without commentary, thus eliminating the risk of accidental or deliberate bias in the article. I believe the polls section should thus be for general commentary (properly sourced, of course) on polls and their results. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 22:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Why not just have an introductory paragraph at the beginning of the polls section, and a table with all of the poll results. To go on the table, there would have to be a reference to the actual poll itself, and not a media website. The table could simply be divided as "support" and "does not support". I think it would be prudent to break it down into support/don't support the British monarchy and the Canadian monarchy in two different columns, as that is the main issue in polling questions highlighted within the article (and this bias is thoroughly footnoted within the article). In this way we portray the facts using the polls themselves reducing the chance for bias within a clearly emotion-inducing article, and we break down the facts into a clear and readily digestible format (a goal of an encyclopedia). trackratte ( talk) 02:16, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
A bit less of a confrontational attitude would bode well here, as well as talking more about the content and less about the editors. Anyway, it appears to me that the main objections stated here to the poll data that were removed are a) a number of links are dead, b) they are linking to sources interpreting polls rather than the polls themselves and c) copyright violation. Regarding a) being available online is not a requirement for sources (as stated on WP:RS), although it indicates a need for repairing (and if the source is completely gone, may justify removal). Regarding b) secondary sources interpretating poll data are usually considered reliable, assuming that the sources in question are considered reliable. Regarding c) poll numbers alone are not copyrightable, although poll questions can be, judging by what I can find online. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 08:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
A NPOV approach, would be to show no poll numbers. AFAIK, Canada hasn't scheduled a referendum on abolishing the monarchy & establishing a republic. Until such a referendum is scheduled, I see no point in showing polls numbers of any kind. GoodDay ( talk) 13:02, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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At present the article shows a photo of John Manley, who is probably here as a representative anti-monarchist. There is nothing about John Manley in the text of the article, to explain why a picture is included. Searching for his name in other articles, I found this mention in Republicanism in Canada: ..on Victoria Day 2001, Manley said on CBC Radio that he believed that hereditary succession was outdated, and that the country's head of state should be elected. [1] I suggest that a mention of Manley's views should be added to the present article, using this as a reference. EdJohnston ( talk) 01:47, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
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I'd argue with Finch's theory. The lack of engagement, interest, awareness of the Canadian monarchy, is that institution's strength & not its potential downfall. Not to mention the high bar the Supreme Court has put in place, to abolish the monarchy. Now, if only we had some sources, to counter Finch's theory. GoodDay ( talk) 15:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
This section is based on wp:synth. None of the sources talk about referring to the monarchy as 'British' relative to the debate sounding it. I don't understand why this important or anything other than irrelevant minutia— blindlynx 22:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
The majority of the 'the debate' section of this article is a collection of random quotes and newspaper articles as direct evidence from claims. There precious little in terms of actual reliable sources— blindlynx 23:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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How should polling on the Canadian monarchy and royal family be presented? 05:22, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I did not remove 13 years worth of polling data; as I explained in my edit summary, I removed (a ridiculous and still growing amount) of editors' interpretations of polls or, worse, interpretations of media interpretations of polls (which could not even consider the actual questions asked). I, in fact, kept all the actual polls and added two more, linking to them without commentary, thus eliminating the risk of accidental or deliberate bias in the article. I believe the polls section should thus be for general commentary (properly sourced, of course) on polls and their results. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 22:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Why not just have an introductory paragraph at the beginning of the polls section, and a table with all of the poll results. To go on the table, there would have to be a reference to the actual poll itself, and not a media website. The table could simply be divided as "support" and "does not support". I think it would be prudent to break it down into support/don't support the British monarchy and the Canadian monarchy in two different columns, as that is the main issue in polling questions highlighted within the article (and this bias is thoroughly footnoted within the article). In this way we portray the facts using the polls themselves reducing the chance for bias within a clearly emotion-inducing article, and we break down the facts into a clear and readily digestible format (a goal of an encyclopedia). trackratte ( talk) 02:16, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
A bit less of a confrontational attitude would bode well here, as well as talking more about the content and less about the editors. Anyway, it appears to me that the main objections stated here to the poll data that were removed are a) a number of links are dead, b) they are linking to sources interpreting polls rather than the polls themselves and c) copyright violation. Regarding a) being available online is not a requirement for sources (as stated on WP:RS), although it indicates a need for repairing (and if the source is completely gone, may justify removal). Regarding b) secondary sources interpretating poll data are usually considered reliable, assuming that the sources in question are considered reliable. Regarding c) poll numbers alone are not copyrightable, although poll questions can be, judging by what I can find online. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 08:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
A NPOV approach, would be to show no poll numbers. AFAIK, Canada hasn't scheduled a referendum on abolishing the monarchy & establishing a republic. Until such a referendum is scheduled, I see no point in showing polls numbers of any kind. GoodDay ( talk) 13:02, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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I'd argue with Finch's theory. The lack of engagement, interest, awareness of the Canadian monarchy, is that institution's strength & not its potential downfall. Not to mention the high bar the Supreme Court has put in place, to abolish the monarchy. Now, if only we had some sources, to counter Finch's theory. GoodDay ( talk) 15:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
This section is based on wp:synth. None of the sources talk about referring to the monarchy as 'British' relative to the debate sounding it. I don't understand why this important or anything other than irrelevant minutia— blindlynx 22:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
The majority of the 'the debate' section of this article is a collection of random quotes and newspaper articles as direct evidence from claims. There precious little in terms of actual reliable sources— blindlynx 23:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)