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Since the Presidential term begins on time. Atchison could never have been President. Not having taken the oath did not disqualify Taylor from becoming President on time. It just prevented him from entering upon the execution of that office. Not even Obama took the oath on time. He took it about fifteen minutes after becoming President. Gerard von Hebel ( talk) 09:34, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Hmmmm. Fifteen minutes elapsed after noon, before Obama (and Biden) took the required oath -- which was incorrectly administered; then, the oath had to be re-administered the next day, because Roberts had screwed up the wording of the oath on 1/20. Assuming Joe Biden's oath was correctly administered, he might have a better claim than Atchison's to being "President for a Day" (until the "redo" on 1/21). Otherwise (if Biden's oath was somehow invalid), Nancy Pelosi (who had been re-elected as Speaker when the House convened, earlier in January) was in a situation similar to Atchison's. Of course, I think none of this is sufficiently "notable" for encyclopedia coverage, but it's fun to contemplate. ;^>
The bottom line in all this is that a Presidential term (with the exception of George Washington's delayed start) always begins at 12 noon, regardless of whether the oath is taken immediately, but the powers of the President cannot legally be exercised until the (correct) oath is taken. Since a re-elected President has already taken the oath, the powers begin (i.e. continue) immediately at noon, and the second inaugural oath is unnecessary. Tripodics ( talk) 18:56, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
AN IP editor cleaned up most of the original research problems with this article in March. There was only one paragraph left that was still OR, and I've removed it, along with the OR tag that was on the article.
Please let's not re-introduce it. Any commentary on the validity or lack thereof of the claim that Atchison was "President for One Day" should be accompanied by a cite to the published statement from which the commentary is drawn. I note that nearly all of the discussion in the topics "Line of Presidential Succession", "The Presidential term begins on time" an "Acting President" are OR and WP:SYNTH. TJRC ( talk) 20:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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"On six occasions, a president took the oath of office one or (in Tyler's case) two days after the beginning of his term of office, either because the demise of the presidency was due to the death of the incumbent or because of religious scruples about swearing an oath on Sunday. These occasions are: Monroe 1821 (upon reelection), Tyler 1841, Taylor 1849, Fillmore 1850, Arthur 1881, Coolidge 1923. Although the oath is necessary for a president to "enter on the execution of the office," the presidential term itself begins on time. On several occasions the new president took the oath of office in public the day after the beginning of the term but, in view of the concerns voiced about earlier Sunday deferrals, had taken the oath in private (Hayes 1877 actually one day early). The beginnings of the terms are listed here, not the oath-taking dates. It may be noted in this context that there is no substance to the legend that David Rice Atchison was president 4-5 Mar 1849. (If not being sworn in as president is held against Zachary Taylor's being president already from noon on 4 Mar 1849, it cannot be argued that another person, however qualified otherwise, could have been acting president without being sworn in in that capacity.)" Gerard von Hebel ( talk) 01:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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Since the Presidential term begins on time. Atchison could never have been President. Not having taken the oath did not disqualify Taylor from becoming President on time. It just prevented him from entering upon the execution of that office. Not even Obama took the oath on time. He took it about fifteen minutes after becoming President. Gerard von Hebel ( talk) 09:34, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Hmmmm. Fifteen minutes elapsed after noon, before Obama (and Biden) took the required oath -- which was incorrectly administered; then, the oath had to be re-administered the next day, because Roberts had screwed up the wording of the oath on 1/20. Assuming Joe Biden's oath was correctly administered, he might have a better claim than Atchison's to being "President for a Day" (until the "redo" on 1/21). Otherwise (if Biden's oath was somehow invalid), Nancy Pelosi (who had been re-elected as Speaker when the House convened, earlier in January) was in a situation similar to Atchison's. Of course, I think none of this is sufficiently "notable" for encyclopedia coverage, but it's fun to contemplate. ;^>
The bottom line in all this is that a Presidential term (with the exception of George Washington's delayed start) always begins at 12 noon, regardless of whether the oath is taken immediately, but the powers of the President cannot legally be exercised until the (correct) oath is taken. Since a re-elected President has already taken the oath, the powers begin (i.e. continue) immediately at noon, and the second inaugural oath is unnecessary. Tripodics ( talk) 18:56, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
AN IP editor cleaned up most of the original research problems with this article in March. There was only one paragraph left that was still OR, and I've removed it, along with the OR tag that was on the article.
Please let's not re-introduce it. Any commentary on the validity or lack thereof of the claim that Atchison was "President for One Day" should be accompanied by a cite to the published statement from which the commentary is drawn. I note that nearly all of the discussion in the topics "Line of Presidential Succession", "The Presidential term begins on time" an "Acting President" are OR and WP:SYNTH. TJRC ( talk) 20:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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"On six occasions, a president took the oath of office one or (in Tyler's case) two days after the beginning of his term of office, either because the demise of the presidency was due to the death of the incumbent or because of religious scruples about swearing an oath on Sunday. These occasions are: Monroe 1821 (upon reelection), Tyler 1841, Taylor 1849, Fillmore 1850, Arthur 1881, Coolidge 1923. Although the oath is necessary for a president to "enter on the execution of the office," the presidential term itself begins on time. On several occasions the new president took the oath of office in public the day after the beginning of the term but, in view of the concerns voiced about earlier Sunday deferrals, had taken the oath in private (Hayes 1877 actually one day early). The beginnings of the terms are listed here, not the oath-taking dates. It may be noted in this context that there is no substance to the legend that David Rice Atchison was president 4-5 Mar 1849. (If not being sworn in as president is held against Zachary Taylor's being president already from noon on 4 Mar 1849, it cannot be argued that another person, however qualified otherwise, could have been acting president without being sworn in in that capacity.)" Gerard von Hebel ( talk) 01:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)