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I took out the reason for deletion of the images since I don't think it's all that clear (see here, but note that we can't use our own deletion discussions as a reliable source -- as far as I know -- someone please let me know if there's a precedent). The whole section really needs more third-party coverage; it's hard to write articles about things that happened on Wikipedia itself without having that. I commented in more detail on my user talk page in response to the article creator's question. Antandrus (talk) 23:19, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
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A section was blanked by an IP and unsourced content was removed. I'm parking the diff here in case it is useful. [1] -- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello all, I am attempting an NPOV revision of this entry on my sandbox here: User:Theredproject/sandbox. Horvitz is a notable artist. I think that part of the problem is that he makes some of his work on or about Wikipedia, which has brought out the deletionists. Also, he has a large fanbase, and it seems like some of them have missed the forest, but wrote about few trees. Going to cut some of those trees back, and plant some seedlings. Please hit me up here, or on my talk page if you are interested in jumping in to the revision. -- Theredproject ( talk) 17:26, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello, my name is Joe, and I'm an intern and have helped David Horvitz on many of his Wikipedia based projects. His newest endeavor is to attempt to delete his own Wikipedia page.
I want to be able to help him and accomplish that. I'm new to the whol Wiki editing/deleting and I've accidentally thought deleting the content would bring on a deletion, but it brought on moderators claiming me as an abuser and vandal, which is incorrect.
I want to be able delete the page properly and it's public knowledge that the artist wants this to happen, if you can help me with this and provide me the information to do so according to Wikipedia's rules and regulations, I'd greatly appreciate it.
I've attached a link from ArtInfo that mentions this project of his to delete his own Wikipedia page. Any help would be great! [2] |timestamp = 20130913141016
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Notwithstanding the prior "I want my page deleted" request, after reviewing the references, I can only find a single reliable secondary source (LA Times article). Are there more?-- Nowa ( talk) 23:11, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I've put in an undeletion request for File:26_pelican.jpg originally posted by David Horvitz on Wikimedia Commons. The entry is here The image has become notable per Artist Conquers Wikipedia, One Image at a Time and it would contribute to this article. The image was put in the public domain per the original upload by David Horvitz. Interested users are invited to comment on the undeletion request-- Nowa ( talk) 20:55, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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Horvitz was born in 1972 not 1981:
http://www.kunsthalcharlottenborg.dk/exhibition/view/104?lang=eng 86.42.251.189 ( talk) 14:00, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
A conversation regarding this person is underway at: User_talk:Binksternet#Backside_of_Beachgoer_.E2.80.93_a_strange_little_wiki_tale
IMHO Horvitz is Wikipedia:Gaming the system via sockpuppets and disruptive behavior. a (2nd nomination) on the AfD to remove this page altogether might be in order. This "accomplishment" that crafted his notoriety was via his Wikipedia:Gaming the system and maintaining this page could persuade others to follow the same path of manipulation with the objective of creating self-serving notoriety. talk→ WPPilot 14:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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There are a number of images that are representative of Horovitz's work, but they've all been banned from commons. See this discussion related to Mood Disorder Any suggestions on how to get a representative image in this article? It seems silly to have an encyclopedia article about an artist and not show any of his/her work.-- Nowa ( talk) 11:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I have recommended we include the name of David Horvitz's spouse in the article. Here is the proposed edit. I believe this edit is consistent with WP:BLPNAME. Rather than get in an edit war with other users, however, I would like to leave it to the rest of the community to reach consensus.-- Nowa ( talk) 12:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I have recommended that we include the following image as a notable example of the subject's work. Other editors have objected. I leave it up to the community to reach consensus on whether or not to include it.-- Nowa ( talk) 21:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC) 300px|left|thumb|Example of a Horvitz Wikipedia photograph showing "...the juxtaposition of subject matter (e.g., a monument, historical site, or otherwise) and Horvitz’s own body (often only partially visible)." Image is notable per David Horvitz:Room 129, Fillip Journal, 2 June 2011
I'm being tag-teamed by a pair of meatpuppets who continue to place a "BLPSOURCES" tag on this article. This is a stub of an article that discusses only the most basic information about this man, and yet it has 12 sources. I realize neither of them can be bothered to actually improve the article, but they will need to point out exactly which sentence(s) still need a reference. Otherwise, the tag will be removed again, as it will be proven pointless. Joefromrandb ( talk) 05:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Let's stop the accusations and get back to discussion content. Generally the article is well sourced. If there are concerns about specific sentences I think the reader and WP project would be better served by 'citation needed' tags instead of a BLP-sources banner. This would also ID, for editors who want to improve the article, the precise sentences that need verification and citations. Could we change to that format, please?-- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Blogs in reputable publications can be considered reliable sources. Likewise primary sources are also acceptable depending on the context and predominance of their use. If you have an issue on a specific source then it also can be given an inline tag such as 'better source' or 'primary source-inline' etc. Alternately you could research a new source or start a start at thread here on the talk page to gain consensus to remove the source and the text. There are many options besides tagging the top of the article.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 17:51, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Whether to keep the "ref-improve" tag might be a secondary issue. Is this person notable under WP:BASIC ("A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.") or WP:ARTIST? -- Edcolins ( talk) 08:51, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Ryulong, re your edit summary here, it is clear that, during the Afd, at least five of us thought that he was notable:
Later, in 2014, The Huffington Post explicitly stated that he is renowned "for his work in the virtual sphere." I am removing the tag for now. -- Edcolins ( talk) 13:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I need a second on this.-- Nowa ( talk) 18:51, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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User:Malerooster has asked for a reference to support the sentence “His work also includes "A Wikipedia Reader", a mind map of artists' browsing of Wikipedia.” I have been able to find the following 5. I tried dropping the Fillip and Rhizome references in, but User:TheRedPenOfDoom and User:Ryulong feel that they are not RS due to self publication. Are any of these suitable? If not, then I am happy with deleting the reference to Wikipedia Reader.-- Nowa ( talk) 23:25, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Per WP:BLPNAME the names of children and spouses are only discussed in an article if they are necessary for a complete understanding of the subject. There is no reason to think that applies in this case. Further, if the only source for a detail is a dubious, the detail is unimportant and should not be in the article. Johnuniq ( talk) 22:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
David Horvitz seems to be User:Specialtoyoutoyou, who uploaded a single picture of himself to Commons from where User:Idontknowtheworldtoday added it to the mood disorder article.
At WikiProject Medicine I said that this was a useful image and that Wikipedia could use more bland stock photography for medicine.
I know Wikipedia's WP:OUTING policy. I feel like I am compliant with it when I reveal this person's identity because this is part of an art project. David Horvitz is promoting Wikipedia's use of this image for an art project. The article says that he took the photo and had it placed into Wikipedia. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Nowa There are two unrelated issues here.
Point 2 should be discussed in the Wikipedia article where the picture might be used, but point 1 would preclude point 2. If the person's art should not be used at all, then discussing whether it would improve any given Wikipedia article is out of order.
I think it is fair to discuss whether this person's article can be used in Wikipedia here, because this talk page is the place for discussing how the subject of the article should be presented on Wikipedia.
Right now I am not sure what to think. This is being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Wikipedia_to_promote_stock_health_photography in the context of the extent to which these sorts of ambiguous illustrations should be used at all in Wikipedia. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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I wonder if a photo of his published work 'Mood Disorder' could be added to Commons. It is claimed "© 2023 David Horvitz" but it seems to consist of Danish Wikipedia text and a photo that I gather was uploaded by him to Commons. Error ( talk) 01:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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I took out the reason for deletion of the images since I don't think it's all that clear (see here, but note that we can't use our own deletion discussions as a reliable source -- as far as I know -- someone please let me know if there's a precedent). The whole section really needs more third-party coverage; it's hard to write articles about things that happened on Wikipedia itself without having that. I commented in more detail on my user talk page in response to the article creator's question. Antandrus (talk) 23:19, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
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A section was blanked by an IP and unsourced content was removed. I'm parking the diff here in case it is useful. [1] -- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello all, I am attempting an NPOV revision of this entry on my sandbox here: User:Theredproject/sandbox. Horvitz is a notable artist. I think that part of the problem is that he makes some of his work on or about Wikipedia, which has brought out the deletionists. Also, he has a large fanbase, and it seems like some of them have missed the forest, but wrote about few trees. Going to cut some of those trees back, and plant some seedlings. Please hit me up here, or on my talk page if you are interested in jumping in to the revision. -- Theredproject ( talk) 17:26, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello, my name is Joe, and I'm an intern and have helped David Horvitz on many of his Wikipedia based projects. His newest endeavor is to attempt to delete his own Wikipedia page.
I want to be able to help him and accomplish that. I'm new to the whol Wiki editing/deleting and I've accidentally thought deleting the content would bring on a deletion, but it brought on moderators claiming me as an abuser and vandal, which is incorrect.
I want to be able delete the page properly and it's public knowledge that the artist wants this to happen, if you can help me with this and provide me the information to do so according to Wikipedia's rules and regulations, I'd greatly appreciate it.
I've attached a link from ArtInfo that mentions this project of his to delete his own Wikipedia page. Any help would be great! [2] |timestamp = 20130913141016
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Notwithstanding the prior "I want my page deleted" request, after reviewing the references, I can only find a single reliable secondary source (LA Times article). Are there more?-- Nowa ( talk) 23:11, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I've put in an undeletion request for File:26_pelican.jpg originally posted by David Horvitz on Wikimedia Commons. The entry is here The image has become notable per Artist Conquers Wikipedia, One Image at a Time and it would contribute to this article. The image was put in the public domain per the original upload by David Horvitz. Interested users are invited to comment on the undeletion request-- Nowa ( talk) 20:55, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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Horvitz was born in 1972 not 1981:
http://www.kunsthalcharlottenborg.dk/exhibition/view/104?lang=eng 86.42.251.189 ( talk) 14:00, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
A conversation regarding this person is underway at: User_talk:Binksternet#Backside_of_Beachgoer_.E2.80.93_a_strange_little_wiki_tale
IMHO Horvitz is Wikipedia:Gaming the system via sockpuppets and disruptive behavior. a (2nd nomination) on the AfD to remove this page altogether might be in order. This "accomplishment" that crafted his notoriety was via his Wikipedia:Gaming the system and maintaining this page could persuade others to follow the same path of manipulation with the objective of creating self-serving notoriety. talk→ WPPilot 14:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
This notice should have been placed on the user's page not here
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There are a number of images that are representative of Horovitz's work, but they've all been banned from commons. See this discussion related to Mood Disorder Any suggestions on how to get a representative image in this article? It seems silly to have an encyclopedia article about an artist and not show any of his/her work.-- Nowa ( talk) 11:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I have recommended we include the name of David Horvitz's spouse in the article. Here is the proposed edit. I believe this edit is consistent with WP:BLPNAME. Rather than get in an edit war with other users, however, I would like to leave it to the rest of the community to reach consensus.-- Nowa ( talk) 12:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I have recommended that we include the following image as a notable example of the subject's work. Other editors have objected. I leave it up to the community to reach consensus on whether or not to include it.-- Nowa ( talk) 21:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC) 300px|left|thumb|Example of a Horvitz Wikipedia photograph showing "...the juxtaposition of subject matter (e.g., a monument, historical site, or otherwise) and Horvitz’s own body (often only partially visible)." Image is notable per David Horvitz:Room 129, Fillip Journal, 2 June 2011
I'm being tag-teamed by a pair of meatpuppets who continue to place a "BLPSOURCES" tag on this article. This is a stub of an article that discusses only the most basic information about this man, and yet it has 12 sources. I realize neither of them can be bothered to actually improve the article, but they will need to point out exactly which sentence(s) still need a reference. Otherwise, the tag will be removed again, as it will be proven pointless. Joefromrandb ( talk) 05:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Let's stop the accusations and get back to discussion content. Generally the article is well sourced. If there are concerns about specific sentences I think the reader and WP project would be better served by 'citation needed' tags instead of a BLP-sources banner. This would also ID, for editors who want to improve the article, the precise sentences that need verification and citations. Could we change to that format, please?-- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Blogs in reputable publications can be considered reliable sources. Likewise primary sources are also acceptable depending on the context and predominance of their use. If you have an issue on a specific source then it also can be given an inline tag such as 'better source' or 'primary source-inline' etc. Alternately you could research a new source or start a start at thread here on the talk page to gain consensus to remove the source and the text. There are many options besides tagging the top of the article.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 17:51, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Whether to keep the "ref-improve" tag might be a secondary issue. Is this person notable under WP:BASIC ("A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.") or WP:ARTIST? -- Edcolins ( talk) 08:51, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Ryulong, re your edit summary here, it is clear that, during the Afd, at least five of us thought that he was notable:
Later, in 2014, The Huffington Post explicitly stated that he is renowned "for his work in the virtual sphere." I am removing the tag for now. -- Edcolins ( talk) 13:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I need a second on this.-- Nowa ( talk) 18:51, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
References
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cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (
link)
User:Malerooster has asked for a reference to support the sentence “His work also includes "A Wikipedia Reader", a mind map of artists' browsing of Wikipedia.” I have been able to find the following 5. I tried dropping the Fillip and Rhizome references in, but User:TheRedPenOfDoom and User:Ryulong feel that they are not RS due to self publication. Are any of these suitable? If not, then I am happy with deleting the reference to Wikipedia Reader.-- Nowa ( talk) 23:25, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Per WP:BLPNAME the names of children and spouses are only discussed in an article if they are necessary for a complete understanding of the subject. There is no reason to think that applies in this case. Further, if the only source for a detail is a dubious, the detail is unimportant and should not be in the article. Johnuniq ( talk) 22:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
David Horvitz seems to be User:Specialtoyoutoyou, who uploaded a single picture of himself to Commons from where User:Idontknowtheworldtoday added it to the mood disorder article.
At WikiProject Medicine I said that this was a useful image and that Wikipedia could use more bland stock photography for medicine.
I know Wikipedia's WP:OUTING policy. I feel like I am compliant with it when I reveal this person's identity because this is part of an art project. David Horvitz is promoting Wikipedia's use of this image for an art project. The article says that he took the photo and had it placed into Wikipedia. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Nowa There are two unrelated issues here.
Point 2 should be discussed in the Wikipedia article where the picture might be used, but point 1 would preclude point 2. If the person's art should not be used at all, then discussing whether it would improve any given Wikipedia article is out of order.
I think it is fair to discuss whether this person's article can be used in Wikipedia here, because this talk page is the place for discussing how the subject of the article should be presented on Wikipedia.
Right now I am not sure what to think. This is being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Wikipedia_to_promote_stock_health_photography in the context of the extent to which these sorts of ambiguous illustrations should be used at all in Wikipedia. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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I wonder if a photo of his published work 'Mood Disorder' could be added to Commons. It is claimed "© 2023 David Horvitz" but it seems to consist of Danish Wikipedia text and a photo that I gather was uploaded by him to Commons. Error ( talk) 01:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)