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In "Vaswani, J.P. (2017), Dasavatara [1], Jaico Publishing House, ISBN 9789386867186()" Book there is clear mention of Vishnu-buddha avatar i.e he is son of Anjana, and born in Kikata( Gaya), while Gautama Buddha is son of Mayadevi, indicates Gautam Buddha is not avatar of Vishnu Ritij Paudel ( talk) 8:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Of course Puranic Buddha is mythological. I agree with you. And Gotama Buddha is an actual historical figure. That still does not justify why Gotama Buddha is included as an avatar of Vishnu in this article. Even your own sources(cannot stress that enough) implies that the Buddha they are mentioning about is not same Buddha who founded Buddhism. Your source does not even mention the founder of Buddhism by his first name, 'Gotama', and your source all states that the Puranic version of Buddha has a different mother named Anjana ! The historical founder of Buddhism, Gotama Buddha was given birth to by a woman named 'Mayadevi' . Your own link, mentions that Puranic Buddha is born in Gaya(Bodh Gaya). The historical Buddha, Gotama Buddha was born in Lumbini ! The link that you have provided does not mention anything about a 'Gotama Buddha' who was born in 'Lumbini' to a mother named 'Mayadevi;. That is, the link that you have given does not mention the historical founder of Buddhism, Gotama Buddha. All the more reason to correct the misleading article. And why are you mentioning the failed Aryan invasion theory ?
Perhaps this article which is joint agreement between Hindu and Buddhist leaders will clear up everything: https://circumsolatious.blogspot.com/2010/07/joint-declaration-buddha-is-not-9th.html I implore you to please go through this article. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 08:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
user:Joshua Jonathan Still up to your old tricks, I see. First, you know full well primary sources are acceptable on wikipedia (see /info/en/?search=Primary_source#Strengths_and_weaknesses for a clear statement supporting this fact). Second, we also both know that if user:Bodhiupasaka were to provide a secondary source, you would just dismiss it anyway by making something up such as it being "too old" or whatever (just like you did on the Rig Veda talk page). Third, since you so blatantly want to own this article (against WP policy, not that anyone will do anything about it), could you at least show some basic competency and fix all your errors (which I told you about after you reverted my edit, see above)? Carlduff ( talk) 18:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
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@ Gotitbro: regarding this revert, which removed
and some Hindus argue that there were two Buddhas, a Puranic Buddha mentioned in Bhagavata Purana 1.3.24 [note 1] who was the incarnation of Vishnu, and the historical Buddha, who according to them was not an incarnation of Vishna.
what makes you think that this is an WP:POVPUSH? Although it's a minority view, for some it is important, and it is a gesture of compromise to include it in this way. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Wasn't sure what sub-section to add this is, so decided to start a new one where secondary reliable sources can be added and discussed. Hera are a couple to start:
Feel free to add more sources on the subject, below. Abecedare ( talk) 08:18, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
What's with the third paragraph in this page? It has no citations and is a dubious claim. Please look into it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.58.96.189 ( talk) 11:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The Dashavatars does not include the founder of Buddhism(Gotama Buddha). It instead includes Sugata Buddha or just Lord Buddha who is a completely different person, being born in a different place(Gaya) as opposed to Kapilavastu and also having a different mother(Anjana) as opposed to Mayadevi. This Puranic Buddha is said to have been born into a family of Brahmins as opposed to the Shakyans that Buddhism's founder, Gotama Buddha was born into.
Unfortunately the Wiki Article, especially in the avatar's description section wrongly states the founder of Buddhism , Gotama Buddha to be one of the Dashavatars. Hoping someone would correct this inaccuracy.
Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 07:39, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
The description says that the ninth avatar is Krishna, but in the image, it is written as Buddha.
Anish Viswa 08:21, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
It is Parashurama, Sreerama, Balarama, Sree Buddha, Kalki as pe the image. Krishna is not there as per image. Artist may be considering Krishna = Vishnu.
Anish Viswa 10:37, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
To solve this confusion among versions of Dashavatara, images of the three major versions followed by sects are added.
Vithoba and Jagannath are considered Krishna by sects outside Warkaris.
Vithobhas wife Rukhmai is Rukmini wife of Krishna and Jagannaths companions are Balabhadra (Balram) and Subhadra, Krishna's siblings.
Omitting versions will lead to generalisation.
The earliest available image is the ivory version in Delhi
2001:4490:48F:C275:0:0:0:1 (
talk) 13:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Please be specific, and mention the version-name ("Balarama-Krishna," etc.). Obviously, the age of the pictures/statues is not a relevant criterium; the fact that Krishna-Buddha is called the most used list is more relevant. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Undue weight can be given in several ways, including but not limited to [...] prominence of placement
This is a children's book published in the 80's as per this book the avatars ( Dashavatar) of Vishnu are
1. Matsya
2. Kurma
3. Mohini
4. Varaha
5. Narasimha
6. Vamana
7. Parashurama
8. Rama
9. Krishna
10. Kalki
I have come across different variations like for example taking out Mohini and adding Balarama or Buddha to fill the space.
As per my understanding Balarama is avatar of Anant Nag and Buddha although mentioned in texts is not specified as an avatar of Vishnu whereas Mohini is specified as Vishnu's avatar.
49.207.5.35 ( talk) 13:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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In "Vaswani, J.P. (2017), Dasavatara [1], Jaico Publishing House, ISBN 9789386867186()" Book there is clear mention of Vishnu-buddha avatar i.e he is son of Anjana, and born in Kikata( Gaya), while Gautama Buddha is son of Mayadevi, indicates Gautam Buddha is not avatar of Vishnu Ritij Paudel ( talk) 8:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Of course Puranic Buddha is mythological. I agree with you. And Gotama Buddha is an actual historical figure. That still does not justify why Gotama Buddha is included as an avatar of Vishnu in this article. Even your own sources(cannot stress that enough) implies that the Buddha they are mentioning about is not same Buddha who founded Buddhism. Your source does not even mention the founder of Buddhism by his first name, 'Gotama', and your source all states that the Puranic version of Buddha has a different mother named Anjana ! The historical founder of Buddhism, Gotama Buddha was given birth to by a woman named 'Mayadevi' . Your own link, mentions that Puranic Buddha is born in Gaya(Bodh Gaya). The historical Buddha, Gotama Buddha was born in Lumbini ! The link that you have provided does not mention anything about a 'Gotama Buddha' who was born in 'Lumbini' to a mother named 'Mayadevi;. That is, the link that you have given does not mention the historical founder of Buddhism, Gotama Buddha. All the more reason to correct the misleading article. And why are you mentioning the failed Aryan invasion theory ?
Perhaps this article which is joint agreement between Hindu and Buddhist leaders will clear up everything: https://circumsolatious.blogspot.com/2010/07/joint-declaration-buddha-is-not-9th.html I implore you to please go through this article. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 08:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
user:Joshua Jonathan Still up to your old tricks, I see. First, you know full well primary sources are acceptable on wikipedia (see /info/en/?search=Primary_source#Strengths_and_weaknesses for a clear statement supporting this fact). Second, we also both know that if user:Bodhiupasaka were to provide a secondary source, you would just dismiss it anyway by making something up such as it being "too old" or whatever (just like you did on the Rig Veda talk page). Third, since you so blatantly want to own this article (against WP policy, not that anyone will do anything about it), could you at least show some basic competency and fix all your errors (which I told you about after you reverted my edit, see above)? Carlduff ( talk) 18:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
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@ Gotitbro: regarding this revert, which removed
and some Hindus argue that there were two Buddhas, a Puranic Buddha mentioned in Bhagavata Purana 1.3.24 [note 1] who was the incarnation of Vishnu, and the historical Buddha, who according to them was not an incarnation of Vishna.
what makes you think that this is an WP:POVPUSH? Although it's a minority view, for some it is important, and it is a gesture of compromise to include it in this way. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Wasn't sure what sub-section to add this is, so decided to start a new one where secondary reliable sources can be added and discussed. Hera are a couple to start:
Feel free to add more sources on the subject, below. Abecedare ( talk) 08:18, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
What's with the third paragraph in this page? It has no citations and is a dubious claim. Please look into it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.58.96.189 ( talk) 11:32, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The Dashavatars does not include the founder of Buddhism(Gotama Buddha). It instead includes Sugata Buddha or just Lord Buddha who is a completely different person, being born in a different place(Gaya) as opposed to Kapilavastu and also having a different mother(Anjana) as opposed to Mayadevi. This Puranic Buddha is said to have been born into a family of Brahmins as opposed to the Shakyans that Buddhism's founder, Gotama Buddha was born into.
Unfortunately the Wiki Article, especially in the avatar's description section wrongly states the founder of Buddhism , Gotama Buddha to be one of the Dashavatars. Hoping someone would correct this inaccuracy.
Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 07:39, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
The description says that the ninth avatar is Krishna, but in the image, it is written as Buddha.
Anish Viswa 08:21, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
It is Parashurama, Sreerama, Balarama, Sree Buddha, Kalki as pe the image. Krishna is not there as per image. Artist may be considering Krishna = Vishnu.
Anish Viswa 10:37, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
To solve this confusion among versions of Dashavatara, images of the three major versions followed by sects are added.
Vithoba and Jagannath are considered Krishna by sects outside Warkaris.
Vithobhas wife Rukhmai is Rukmini wife of Krishna and Jagannaths companions are Balabhadra (Balram) and Subhadra, Krishna's siblings.
Omitting versions will lead to generalisation.
The earliest available image is the ivory version in Delhi
2001:4490:48F:C275:0:0:0:1 (
talk) 13:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Please be specific, and mention the version-name ("Balarama-Krishna," etc.). Obviously, the age of the pictures/statues is not a relevant criterium; the fact that Krishna-Buddha is called the most used list is more relevant. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 05:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Undue weight can be given in several ways, including but not limited to [...] prominence of placement
This is a children's book published in the 80's as per this book the avatars ( Dashavatar) of Vishnu are
1. Matsya
2. Kurma
3. Mohini
4. Varaha
5. Narasimha
6. Vamana
7. Parashurama
8. Rama
9. Krishna
10. Kalki
I have come across different variations like for example taking out Mohini and adding Balarama or Buddha to fill the space.
As per my understanding Balarama is avatar of Anant Nag and Buddha although mentioned in texts is not specified as an avatar of Vishnu whereas Mohini is specified as Vishnu's avatar.
49.207.5.35 ( talk) 13:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref group=note>
tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=note}}
template (see the
help page).