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Upon reading it a few times, it appears to me that the section is too wordy for the articles sake. I count at least 5 Janet Jackson mentions that are scattered thru the section (and not "compiled" in at least one concise area), a couple of the references are just added in for the sake of "verifying" the article, and I can see two things that might be fancruft. I think it would benefit the article if this section was cleaned up severely and throughly. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 02:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Seeing that nobody wishes to at least argue the point; I felt I had no choice but to savagely tag the article with numerous violation tags. The issues culled from elsewhere (AfD and DYK):
I can't think of anymore. Please debate or just be bold and edit the article to at least fix some of the mess. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 09:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Moved the more "controversial" sections here for further disecting.
'"Dammit, Janet" is often applied by commentators to invoke its lighthearted rebuke. For example, in response to singer Janet Jackson sexually whispering, Are you still up? in her 1993 album janet., one commentator responds, "Damn it, Janet, you wear us out." [1] In response to the 1994 film Sirens, movie critic Jay Boyar writes, "And, yes, those models (and, I guess, that hunk) are lovely to look at, which does help a little. But dammit, Janet, there's a limit to how far this sort of thing will carry a movie." [2] When singer Janet Jackson released a $100 million asking price in 1995 for a new album deal, Rock critic Jim Farber responded with a New York Daily News article entitled, "Dammit, Janet, They Love You." [3]
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In response to British actress Janet McTeer's success at the Sundance Film Festival for her portrayal of Mary Jo Walker in the 1999 film Tumbleweeds, writer Rod Dreher dedicated a January 1999 New York Post column to her entitled Dammit, Janet! Fest loves you. [4] The Sunday Times followed this up a year later with a February 2000 article about Janet McTeer entitled, "Dammit , Janet , they love you." [5]
The year 1999 had additional references to the Dammit, Janet. The September 1999 caption for the color illustration of U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno in Time Magazine reads, "DAMMIT, JANET'S MAD. Attorney General Janet Reno sends U.S. Marshals into FBI headquarters to grab material as her feud with Director Louis Freeh heats up over the tardy appearance of evidence in the Branch Davidian-raid controversy." [6] In October 1999, the Daily Mirror referred to award-winning British journalist, Janet Street-Porter as "Dammit Janet." [7] The nickname stuck and by 2003, she became known as Dammit Janet. [8] [9]
The phrase remains popular in the 2000s. In response to Janet Jackson's 2001 album All for You selling 605,000 units and noting the such record sales almost triple the amount 1997's The Velvet Rope moved its first week of release, Entertainment Weekly exclaimed, "Dammit, Janet, they love you!" [10] In his December 2003 effort to recall Arizona governor Janet Napolitano, the State Party Chair for the Southern/Confederate party Charles Goodson promoted the slogan,"Dammit, Janet - get lost!" [11]
Janet Jackson's February 2004 performance with Justin Timberlake at the Super Bowl halftime show generated several news outlet responses of Dammit, Janet. Two days after the February 1, 2004 event, The New Zealand Herald featured the headline "Dammit Janet , it's a bit dodgy." [12] Two months after the event, the Globe and Mail featured the headline, "Damn it , Janet ! Stop exposing the U.S. cleavage." [13] In April, 2004, the Herald Sun featured the headline,"dammit , janet." [14] and mX featured the headline "Dammit Janet as rapper voices concern" in October 2004. [15]
Other Janet's did not escape the Dammit Janet phrase. For example the October 2004 launch of the lingerie line Naughty Janet by English lingerie designer Janet Reger prompted the Evening Standard to comment on the line in an article entitled, "Dammit Janet: The launch of Naughty Janet." [16]
-- 293.xx.xxx.xx 23:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed the Articleissues since AfD consensus did not support such claims. I restored removal of text since referenced material needs consensus before removal. -- Jreferee t/ c 15:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Dispute exists as to whether the sources used in this article pass the requirement laid down in WP:N that they contain a "direct and detailed" examination of the topic. This extends to excised references on the talk page. A related question is whether the use of the references is valid, or whether there is original research and synthesis, particularly in reference to the excised section located on the talk page. Kww 17:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I see nothing objectionable about the sources cited. The charge of original research with regard to the title of the song being used as a light-hearted rebuke is groundless. Such usage is self-evident in the sources cited for that section, which ought to be restored. Nick Graves 03:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Generally speaking the use of Newspaper articles as references is acceptable for subjects where coverage can only be found in News. Subjects such as this one require a higher standard than the weekend section review. Articles that make the best references are those that go in depth and at length along with sourcing there material as well. Small articles that are found in the entertainment section are not proper citations for Wiki.
Also most of the refernces on this article are not properly formated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.180.178 ( talk) 12:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I re-rated this article. While many may feel the subject is limited, in all honesty any subject can be referenced given enough time as long as it is a legitimate subject. So, while I strongly urge everyone to keep to the subject alone and not to expand on cruft of any sort, at this time this size alone seems to small to label B class. Also the subject has directions it could go but haven't yet and this may just be a matter of comparing this article against similar, more fully developed articles.-- 69.62.180.178 ( talk) 03:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Article seems to meet C class at the very least now that it's been copy edited and solid references added. Could still be expanded all the wy to GA. Also the other material needs referncing.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 07:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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Upon reading it a few times, it appears to me that the section is too wordy for the articles sake. I count at least 5 Janet Jackson mentions that are scattered thru the section (and not "compiled" in at least one concise area), a couple of the references are just added in for the sake of "verifying" the article, and I can see two things that might be fancruft. I think it would benefit the article if this section was cleaned up severely and throughly. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 02:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Seeing that nobody wishes to at least argue the point; I felt I had no choice but to savagely tag the article with numerous violation tags. The issues culled from elsewhere (AfD and DYK):
I can't think of anymore. Please debate or just be bold and edit the article to at least fix some of the mess. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 09:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Moved the more "controversial" sections here for further disecting.
'"Dammit, Janet" is often applied by commentators to invoke its lighthearted rebuke. For example, in response to singer Janet Jackson sexually whispering, Are you still up? in her 1993 album janet., one commentator responds, "Damn it, Janet, you wear us out." [1] In response to the 1994 film Sirens, movie critic Jay Boyar writes, "And, yes, those models (and, I guess, that hunk) are lovely to look at, which does help a little. But dammit, Janet, there's a limit to how far this sort of thing will carry a movie." [2] When singer Janet Jackson released a $100 million asking price in 1995 for a new album deal, Rock critic Jim Farber responded with a New York Daily News article entitled, "Dammit, Janet, They Love You." [3]
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In response to British actress Janet McTeer's success at the Sundance Film Festival for her portrayal of Mary Jo Walker in the 1999 film Tumbleweeds, writer Rod Dreher dedicated a January 1999 New York Post column to her entitled Dammit, Janet! Fest loves you. [4] The Sunday Times followed this up a year later with a February 2000 article about Janet McTeer entitled, "Dammit , Janet , they love you." [5]
The year 1999 had additional references to the Dammit, Janet. The September 1999 caption for the color illustration of U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno in Time Magazine reads, "DAMMIT, JANET'S MAD. Attorney General Janet Reno sends U.S. Marshals into FBI headquarters to grab material as her feud with Director Louis Freeh heats up over the tardy appearance of evidence in the Branch Davidian-raid controversy." [6] In October 1999, the Daily Mirror referred to award-winning British journalist, Janet Street-Porter as "Dammit Janet." [7] The nickname stuck and by 2003, she became known as Dammit Janet. [8] [9]
The phrase remains popular in the 2000s. In response to Janet Jackson's 2001 album All for You selling 605,000 units and noting the such record sales almost triple the amount 1997's The Velvet Rope moved its first week of release, Entertainment Weekly exclaimed, "Dammit, Janet, they love you!" [10] In his December 2003 effort to recall Arizona governor Janet Napolitano, the State Party Chair for the Southern/Confederate party Charles Goodson promoted the slogan,"Dammit, Janet - get lost!" [11]
Janet Jackson's February 2004 performance with Justin Timberlake at the Super Bowl halftime show generated several news outlet responses of Dammit, Janet. Two days after the February 1, 2004 event, The New Zealand Herald featured the headline "Dammit Janet , it's a bit dodgy." [12] Two months after the event, the Globe and Mail featured the headline, "Damn it , Janet ! Stop exposing the U.S. cleavage." [13] In April, 2004, the Herald Sun featured the headline,"dammit , janet." [14] and mX featured the headline "Dammit Janet as rapper voices concern" in October 2004. [15]
Other Janet's did not escape the Dammit Janet phrase. For example the October 2004 launch of the lingerie line Naughty Janet by English lingerie designer Janet Reger prompted the Evening Standard to comment on the line in an article entitled, "Dammit Janet: The launch of Naughty Janet." [16]
-- 293.xx.xxx.xx 23:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed the Articleissues since AfD consensus did not support such claims. I restored removal of text since referenced material needs consensus before removal. -- Jreferee t/ c 15:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Dispute exists as to whether the sources used in this article pass the requirement laid down in WP:N that they contain a "direct and detailed" examination of the topic. This extends to excised references on the talk page. A related question is whether the use of the references is valid, or whether there is original research and synthesis, particularly in reference to the excised section located on the talk page. Kww 17:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I see nothing objectionable about the sources cited. The charge of original research with regard to the title of the song being used as a light-hearted rebuke is groundless. Such usage is self-evident in the sources cited for that section, which ought to be restored. Nick Graves 03:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Generally speaking the use of Newspaper articles as references is acceptable for subjects where coverage can only be found in News. Subjects such as this one require a higher standard than the weekend section review. Articles that make the best references are those that go in depth and at length along with sourcing there material as well. Small articles that are found in the entertainment section are not proper citations for Wiki.
Also most of the refernces on this article are not properly formated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.180.178 ( talk) 12:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I re-rated this article. While many may feel the subject is limited, in all honesty any subject can be referenced given enough time as long as it is a legitimate subject. So, while I strongly urge everyone to keep to the subject alone and not to expand on cruft of any sort, at this time this size alone seems to small to label B class. Also the subject has directions it could go but haven't yet and this may just be a matter of comparing this article against similar, more fully developed articles.-- 69.62.180.178 ( talk) 03:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Article seems to meet C class at the very least now that it's been copy edited and solid references added. Could still be expanded all the wy to GA. Also the other material needs referncing.-- Amadscientist ( talk) 07:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)