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Aiken likely did oppose recently freed slaves from voting, though it had nothing to do with race. Most freed slaves were uneducated. Uneducated voters were feared because it was thought they could be easily swayed by crooked, ambitious politicians. This fear lead to more fear, which lead to irrationality, which lead to stupidity, which lead to a very shameful period in SC history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.19.3.218 ( talk) 02:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Any information on D Wight Aikens involvement in Red Shirt Activities is contested, and does not belong on wikipedia. While the KKK may have used the Grange as a cover for their activities, there were actually black Granges contemporary with the American reconstruction. The Grange is not, nor has it ever been a white supremacist organization. Many members were in the Grange from all walks of life. D. Wight Aiken could have just as likely been set up, so who knows. There is no factual evidence. Every source (or sources of the sources) notes this is hearsay. Check them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMfor2001 ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
The following statement is being removed for the following reasons
(1) The source does not seem to cite where it got the information. This source also seems biased.
(2) The red shirt terrorist is a modern group. If true, this statement needs a better source and rewording.
.. During Reconstruction he participated in Red Shirt terrorist activities against Republicans and publicly (and successfully) called for the murder of a newly elected black Republican state senator.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMfor2001 ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for my delay in replying, I've only just noticed your revert of some of my edits. I've created a new section since it may take some discussion to reach consensus on how best to present the material about Aiken and his involvement in white supremacist activities. I've numbered items for convenience, so that any response can either be inline or refer to the numbered list.
I would suggest comments on the suitability of each source followed by a new section providing sources with alternate perspective, perhaps exonerating Aiken or supporting the claim that he was set up.
From there, we can work together on language that captures the controversy in a suitable fashion.
Here are the sources I have found with respect to Aiken and his involvement in assassination, Red Shirt, and KKK activities.
Kantrowitz, Stephen (2000). "Chapter 3: One Man's Mob is another Man's Militia: Violence, Manhood, and Authority in Reconstruction South Carolina". Jumpin' Jim Crow: Southern Politics from the Civil War to Civil Rights. Princeton University Press. p. 84, footnote 16.
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help) In this section of the report, Tolbert testifies to the efforts to suppress the black vote in South Carolina and his involvement in the assassination of Randolph.Dictioneer ( talk) 01:33, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
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Aiken likely did oppose recently freed slaves from voting, though it had nothing to do with race. Most freed slaves were uneducated. Uneducated voters were feared because it was thought they could be easily swayed by crooked, ambitious politicians. This fear lead to more fear, which lead to irrationality, which lead to stupidity, which lead to a very shameful period in SC history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.19.3.218 ( talk) 02:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Any information on D Wight Aikens involvement in Red Shirt Activities is contested, and does not belong on wikipedia. While the KKK may have used the Grange as a cover for their activities, there were actually black Granges contemporary with the American reconstruction. The Grange is not, nor has it ever been a white supremacist organization. Many members were in the Grange from all walks of life. D. Wight Aiken could have just as likely been set up, so who knows. There is no factual evidence. Every source (or sources of the sources) notes this is hearsay. Check them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMfor2001 ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
The following statement is being removed for the following reasons
(1) The source does not seem to cite where it got the information. This source also seems biased.
(2) The red shirt terrorist is a modern group. If true, this statement needs a better source and rewording.
.. During Reconstruction he participated in Red Shirt terrorist activities against Republicans and publicly (and successfully) called for the murder of a newly elected black Republican state senator.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMfor2001 ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for my delay in replying, I've only just noticed your revert of some of my edits. I've created a new section since it may take some discussion to reach consensus on how best to present the material about Aiken and his involvement in white supremacist activities. I've numbered items for convenience, so that any response can either be inline or refer to the numbered list.
I would suggest comments on the suitability of each source followed by a new section providing sources with alternate perspective, perhaps exonerating Aiken or supporting the claim that he was set up.
From there, we can work together on language that captures the controversy in a suitable fashion.
Here are the sources I have found with respect to Aiken and his involvement in assassination, Red Shirt, and KKK activities.
Kantrowitz, Stephen (2000). "Chapter 3: One Man's Mob is another Man's Militia: Violence, Manhood, and Authority in Reconstruction South Carolina". Jumpin' Jim Crow: Southern Politics from the Civil War to Civil Rights. Princeton University Press. p. 84, footnote 16.
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help)
Here are some additional resources which may be of use in this discussion, but which I don’t see as tied to specific claims about Aiken’s involvement.
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: |pages=
has extra text (
help) In this section of the report, Tolbert testifies to the efforts to suppress the black vote in South Carolina and his involvement in the assassination of Randolph.Dictioneer ( talk) 01:33, 17 May 2014 (UTC)