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"Hospitalization is rarely required." Really? Hospitalization is frequently required for the croup cases I see in the ED. What is meant by "rarely," and based upon what data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.139.11 ( talk) 00:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Your observation is biased, and does not take into account cases of croup seen at doctor's offices, who don't go to the ED. Obviously, some people use the ED as a primary care source, but many more go because it is an emergency situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.37.251 ( talk) 03:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Try sitting with your child in a bathroom with the door closed. Run the shower or bath with HOT water to build up steam. It takes about 10 minutes, but the steam improves the croup tremendously, particularly if the child is having a croup "attack." 67.170.210.23 15:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like somebody to cite that osteopathy is a useful treatment for Croup. I see nothing in the literature that would back this up and it is potentially dangerous advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdbaral ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Steam treatment is not considered dangerous and is commonly recommended by standard handouts from AAP, standard phone protocols and used in hospitals. Highest evidence is certainly RCT that meets Cochrane review standards. Failing that, prevailing standards of care should be considered. Oregonkc ( talk) 00:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Clinical practice JFW | T@lk 06:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says that "Croup can be prevented by immunization for influenza and diphtheria." However, it also says that "75% of cases are caused by parainfluenza virus", and the Human parainfluenza viruses page says that no vaccines currently exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljosa ( talk • contribs) 11:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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(undent) Uptodate says:
INTRODUCTION — Croup is a respiratory illness characterized by inspiratory stridor, cough, and hoarseness. These symptoms result from inflammation in the larynx and subglottic airway. A barking cough is the hallmark of croup among infants and young children, whereas hoarseness predominates in older children and adults. Although croup usually is a mild and self-limited illness, significant upper airway obstruction, respiratory distress, and, rarely, death, can occur.
The clinical features, evaluation, and diagnosis of croup will be discussed here. The management of croup is discussed separately. (See "Approach to the management of croup" and "Pharmacologic and supportive interventions for croup".)
DEFINITIONS — The term croup has been used to describe a variety of upper respiratory conditions in children, including laryngitis, laryngotracheitis, laryngotracheobronchitis, bacterial tracheitis, or spasmodic croup [ 1]. These terms are defined below. In the past, the term croup also has been applied to laryngeal diphtheria (diphtheritic or membranous croup) which is discussed separately. (See "Epidemiology and clinical features of diphtheria" and "Diagnosis and treatment of diphtheria".)
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 12:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Moving respiratory score section: Agree this should be moved further down the article or listed as a subheading under signs/symptoms. The score system is useful out side of research setting but would be more useful to health care provider than general public. General public that needs a quick understanding of disease process would need to be quickly led to signs/symptoms to better understand the disease. Oregonkc ( talk) 00:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I've reviewed the new history section, and it passes on all points. Thanks for adding that: I think it provides interesting information. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 17:43, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Not mentioned in article. 86.179.191.90 ( talk) 01:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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I think it would be worthwhile to mention the research which indicates that emotional, physical, and mental well-being contribute greatly to health. I recall a college course that mentioned a study where they injected the participants with some sickness but not all got sick because some had good relationships, ate well, slept well, etc. Lifestyle health is the long-term solution to these diseases and sicknesses. Derekbr1gham ( talk) 13:22, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
We generally use the modern meaning of words. The current meaning of croup is for a viral infection. Yes many years ago the terms were used in a slightly different way and this article addresses that in Croup#History. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 11:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
A folk treatment is known, when the child is briefly immersed in very cold water then, without delay, intensely rubbed (with a towel or like that), dressed in comfortably warm clothes and placed in a comfortably warm room. I don't know, whether it is a sham treatment or an effective one (but, probably, a dangerous), but it should be covered anyway. Эйхер ( talk) 11:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Am I missing something or does the article strongly imply that this is a "children's illness" that only concerns pediatrics? 74.196.235.209 ( talk) 13:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Hospitalization is rarely required." Really? Hospitalization is frequently required for the croup cases I see in the ED. What is meant by "rarely," and based upon what data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.139.11 ( talk) 00:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Your observation is biased, and does not take into account cases of croup seen at doctor's offices, who don't go to the ED. Obviously, some people use the ED as a primary care source, but many more go because it is an emergency situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.37.251 ( talk) 03:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Try sitting with your child in a bathroom with the door closed. Run the shower or bath with HOT water to build up steam. It takes about 10 minutes, but the steam improves the croup tremendously, particularly if the child is having a croup "attack." 67.170.210.23 15:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like somebody to cite that osteopathy is a useful treatment for Croup. I see nothing in the literature that would back this up and it is potentially dangerous advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdbaral ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Steam treatment is not considered dangerous and is commonly recommended by standard handouts from AAP, standard phone protocols and used in hospitals. Highest evidence is certainly RCT that meets Cochrane review standards. Failing that, prevailing standards of care should be considered. Oregonkc ( talk) 00:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Clinical practice JFW | T@lk 06:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says that "Croup can be prevented by immunization for influenza and diphtheria." However, it also says that "75% of cases are caused by parainfluenza virus", and the Human parainfluenza viruses page says that no vaccines currently exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljosa ( talk • contribs) 11:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Reviewer: WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
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(undent) Uptodate says:
INTRODUCTION — Croup is a respiratory illness characterized by inspiratory stridor, cough, and hoarseness. These symptoms result from inflammation in the larynx and subglottic airway. A barking cough is the hallmark of croup among infants and young children, whereas hoarseness predominates in older children and adults. Although croup usually is a mild and self-limited illness, significant upper airway obstruction, respiratory distress, and, rarely, death, can occur.
The clinical features, evaluation, and diagnosis of croup will be discussed here. The management of croup is discussed separately. (See "Approach to the management of croup" and "Pharmacologic and supportive interventions for croup".)
DEFINITIONS — The term croup has been used to describe a variety of upper respiratory conditions in children, including laryngitis, laryngotracheitis, laryngotracheobronchitis, bacterial tracheitis, or spasmodic croup [ 1]. These terms are defined below. In the past, the term croup also has been applied to laryngeal diphtheria (diphtheritic or membranous croup) which is discussed separately. (See "Epidemiology and clinical features of diphtheria" and "Diagnosis and treatment of diphtheria".)
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 12:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Moving respiratory score section: Agree this should be moved further down the article or listed as a subheading under signs/symptoms. The score system is useful out side of research setting but would be more useful to health care provider than general public. General public that needs a quick understanding of disease process would need to be quickly led to signs/symptoms to better understand the disease. Oregonkc ( talk) 00:53, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I've reviewed the new history section, and it passes on all points. Thanks for adding that: I think it provides interesting information. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 17:43, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Not mentioned in article. 86.179.191.90 ( talk) 01:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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I think it would be worthwhile to mention the research which indicates that emotional, physical, and mental well-being contribute greatly to health. I recall a college course that mentioned a study where they injected the participants with some sickness but not all got sick because some had good relationships, ate well, slept well, etc. Lifestyle health is the long-term solution to these diseases and sicknesses. Derekbr1gham ( talk) 13:22, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
We generally use the modern meaning of words. The current meaning of croup is for a viral infection. Yes many years ago the terms were used in a slightly different way and this article addresses that in Croup#History. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 11:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
A folk treatment is known, when the child is briefly immersed in very cold water then, without delay, intensely rubbed (with a towel or like that), dressed in comfortably warm clothes and placed in a comfortably warm room. I don't know, whether it is a sham treatment or an effective one (but, probably, a dangerous), but it should be covered anyway. Эйхер ( talk) 11:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Am I missing something or does the article strongly imply that this is a "children's illness" that only concerns pediatrics? 74.196.235.209 ( talk) 13:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)