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The Guardian 'article' (actually liveblog) does not say that it was a contract killing, it only relays that the Soviet/Russian official propaganda mouthpiece TASS (obviously the completely opposite of anything approaching a reliable source) says it is. This should be removed from the infobox immediately as it is spreading Kremlin propaganda and disinformation. 2404:4408:6A65:E000:309A:3E46:4B64:391D ( talk) 20:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Do we currently have any information about why the perpetrators fled towards the Ukrainian border?
This strikes me as an odd direction for them to flee in, given that the high concentration of Russian military and security personnel stationed all along the border and closely monitoring its entire length (due to the ongoing war) would probably make it a very difficult border to sneak across. Presumably it would be much easier to sneak across other Russian borders, such as through the Caucuses or through Kazakhstan into Central Asia, etc.
This is one of several odd things about this attack, along with the fact that, as far as I know, this was the first time that an ISIS terror attack was carried out by paid mercenaries instead of religious fanatics, and they fled, ditched their weapons, and ultimately surrendered alive, rather than fighting to the death. Completely different than other previous ISIS attacks. Also, the amount of money they were reported to have been paid seems awfully low for contracting mass-murder for hire on this scale. - 2003:CA:8717:D23E:F84F:774D:6A21:AFAA ( talk) 00:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
The reason for direction of flight: Vasyl Malyuk. The Russian investigators are not fishing in cloudy waters, they are guided by specific facts derived from the forensic examination of the cell phones of the four main suspects, which are in the possession of the authorities. One of these phones was recovered at the crime scene, and the data contained on this phone was used by security officials to track the suspects as they drove out of Moscow, toward Ukraine. Telephone numbers contained on the recovered phone allowed to zero in on the remaining phones, and monitor phone calls made by the suspects in real time—including numerous calls to persons inside Ukraine who were working to create a gap in the Russian-Ukrainian border that the suspects could escape through. Concurrently, the four main suspects are have seen a judge and are in jail, the entire terrorist cell in Russia is successfully neutralised, and since the Crocus-attack 180 suspects/mercenaries were arrested in Turkey— nota bene a NATO country ( read). The US is engaged in a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine and has used Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Daesh, the CIA cottage cheese industry of extremist groups to destabilize their enemies in the past. Including during a major insurgency against Russia in Chechnya in the 1990s. The US also used these groups in hopes of toppling the governments of Syria and Iraq. In 2015, Russia intervened militarily to prevent the fall of Syria to Daesh and other extremist groups. -- 91.54.11.182 ( talk) 12:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Are there statistics on causes of death? Telegram channels spread the information that only a few dozen people died from bullet wounds, most were poisoned by carbon monoxide. 91.210.251.11 ( talk) 08:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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I find it troubling to see personal information about "suspected"/"alleged" people on Wikipedia.
Is that really necessary or even useful?
Shouldn't that be at least postponed until their conviction?
Florian Finke (
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I have removed all citations in the infobox for the perpetrator (most seem to accept this was IS-K, even if Putin is trying to cast doubt on the motive of Islamic extremism). Leaving a comment here per the hidden text on this article, if others disagree with me feel free to revert and discuss. GnocchiFan ( talk) 08:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Please up date and add:
On 9. April 2024 the Investigative Committee opened a criminal case on the suspected involvement of Western officials in terrorism financing by senior officials of the United States and NATO countries. The Investigative Committee announced it found that funds received through commercial organizations, in particular, the Ukrainian-based oil and gas company Burisma, have been used to carry out terrorist acts.
Sources:
93.211.215.49 ( talk) 13:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Please indicate which weapon the attackers used. The information is publicly available:
https://www.currenttime.tv/a/napadavshie-na-krokus-strelyali-v-lyudey-iz-shtatnogo-oruzhiya-rossiyskih-voennyh-kak-ono-k-nim-popalo/32909117.html 91.210.248.218 ( talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Guardian 'article' (actually liveblog) does not say that it was a contract killing, it only relays that the Soviet/Russian official propaganda mouthpiece TASS (obviously the completely opposite of anything approaching a reliable source) says it is. This should be removed from the infobox immediately as it is spreading Kremlin propaganda and disinformation. 2404:4408:6A65:E000:309A:3E46:4B64:391D ( talk) 20:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Do we currently have any information about why the perpetrators fled towards the Ukrainian border?
This strikes me as an odd direction for them to flee in, given that the high concentration of Russian military and security personnel stationed all along the border and closely monitoring its entire length (due to the ongoing war) would probably make it a very difficult border to sneak across. Presumably it would be much easier to sneak across other Russian borders, such as through the Caucuses or through Kazakhstan into Central Asia, etc.
This is one of several odd things about this attack, along with the fact that, as far as I know, this was the first time that an ISIS terror attack was carried out by paid mercenaries instead of religious fanatics, and they fled, ditched their weapons, and ultimately surrendered alive, rather than fighting to the death. Completely different than other previous ISIS attacks. Also, the amount of money they were reported to have been paid seems awfully low for contracting mass-murder for hire on this scale. - 2003:CA:8717:D23E:F84F:774D:6A21:AFAA ( talk) 00:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
The reason for direction of flight: Vasyl Malyuk. The Russian investigators are not fishing in cloudy waters, they are guided by specific facts derived from the forensic examination of the cell phones of the four main suspects, which are in the possession of the authorities. One of these phones was recovered at the crime scene, and the data contained on this phone was used by security officials to track the suspects as they drove out of Moscow, toward Ukraine. Telephone numbers contained on the recovered phone allowed to zero in on the remaining phones, and monitor phone calls made by the suspects in real time—including numerous calls to persons inside Ukraine who were working to create a gap in the Russian-Ukrainian border that the suspects could escape through. Concurrently, the four main suspects are have seen a judge and are in jail, the entire terrorist cell in Russia is successfully neutralised, and since the Crocus-attack 180 suspects/mercenaries were arrested in Turkey— nota bene a NATO country ( read). The US is engaged in a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine and has used Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Daesh, the CIA cottage cheese industry of extremist groups to destabilize their enemies in the past. Including during a major insurgency against Russia in Chechnya in the 1990s. The US also used these groups in hopes of toppling the governments of Syria and Iraq. In 2015, Russia intervened militarily to prevent the fall of Syria to Daesh and other extremist groups. -- 91.54.11.182 ( talk) 12:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Are there statistics on causes of death? Telegram channels spread the information that only a few dozen people died from bullet wounds, most were poisoned by carbon monoxide. 91.210.251.11 ( talk) 08:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
References
I find it troubling to see personal information about "suspected"/"alleged" people on Wikipedia.
Is that really necessary or even useful?
Shouldn't that be at least postponed until their conviction?
Florian Finke (
talk) 16:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
I have removed all citations in the infobox for the perpetrator (most seem to accept this was IS-K, even if Putin is trying to cast doubt on the motive of Islamic extremism). Leaving a comment here per the hidden text on this article, if others disagree with me feel free to revert and discuss. GnocchiFan ( talk) 08:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Please up date and add:
On 9. April 2024 the Investigative Committee opened a criminal case on the suspected involvement of Western officials in terrorism financing by senior officials of the United States and NATO countries. The Investigative Committee announced it found that funds received through commercial organizations, in particular, the Ukrainian-based oil and gas company Burisma, have been used to carry out terrorist acts.
Sources:
93.211.215.49 ( talk) 13:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Please indicate which weapon the attackers used. The information is publicly available:
https://www.currenttime.tv/a/napadavshie-na-krokus-strelyali-v-lyudey-iz-shtatnogo-oruzhiya-rossiyskih-voennyh-kak-ono-k-nim-popalo/32909117.html 91.210.248.218 ( talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)