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The hyperlink leads you to the entry about John Horne, a Scottish geologist who died in 1928. I don't think he's making those board meetings too often these days. 66.65.57.234 20:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
The Whole "Olympic Model" section is lifted directly from CCA's website —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.54.75 ( talk) 18:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Note that most of the references for this page are from sources in ideological opposition to prison privatization. The page also implies that noncriminal immigrants and their children are being held by virtue of corporate policy, rather than federal immigration law. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.171.129 ( talk) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This article lists a "Tom Beasley" as a co-founder of CCA, and links to the Tom Beasley page. However, that page contains a bio of a football player, with no indication of his involvement with CCA. Are they the same person? If not, the link should be changed; if so, the Tom Beasley article should be edited to include the information about CCA. Rangergordon ( talk) 11:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I would have like to seen more research into the cons of privatization. Such as the lack of information that a private organization/corporation is obligated to share with the public. Pivate Coroporations do no need to accept or reply to Public Infomation request from citizens. latinguy2009 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC).
CCA's record on prison riots is completely missing from this article, though I found three separate reports in less than ten minutes with Google. Some more work needs to be done. Patrij ( talk) 13:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
This whole article reads like a CCA sales brochure. The article talks about independent research that supports private management of prisons, yet does not refer to the equal amount of studies that discourage said private management. It does not also mention Deer Park Prison in Victoria, Australia, that was purchased back by the Victorian government after a number of contract breaches. See "Dame Phyllis Frost Centre" on Wiki. —Preceding
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I strongly agree that the entire article is highly impartial, and that most of the content is Pro-CCA or Pro-privatization of prison management. Much of the content is more about touting CCA's supposed superior quality and standards and not about imparting information in a neutral manner. The quality of this article is so terrible that I think that it really needs to be rewritten entirely. -- Felojiro ( talk) 15:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
This article is below sub-standard. It reads like a press release, and fails to note any of the numerous scandals involving CCA and their prisons.
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I have reorganized the article without removing any information. I will add more info shortly.-- Knulclunk ( talk) 17:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The last section of the article was an unsourced rant. Though it mentions a source, it is unclear what is from the source and what is the editor's personal opinion. I've copied it below:
Normally I take it upon myself to look into such things, but I can't at the moment. Any editor is welcome to fix the section (provide proper refs, make it clear what is from the article, remove POV) and re-insert it into the article. But it should be called "CCA inmate didn't leave cell to shower for 9 mos.". It should instead be referenced under a "criticism" section or something similar. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 14:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
In order to remove opinions and bias from page, deleted quote from Bill Maher Anourse ( talk) 17:29, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Found quote to offer neutrality Esruon ( talk) 18:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Section contained information that was not sourced, information that was sourced came from an opinion based organization and reflected opinion of author. Link to news article was from non-English paper and could not substantiate the content. Anourse ( talk) 17:34, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. Added information on ICE changes affecting CCA Esruon ( talk) 19:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Removed: Because CCA is a private company and is not required to do so, it and its contracting agencies refuse to respond to Freedom of Information requests for information that government-run prisons would be required to disclose, but courts have ruled in favor of some disclosure requests. Because source tied to this was unrelated, NYT articles referred to detainee deaths and not to disclosure information, and have not been able to locate source for this information. If proper sourcing is found will repost information. Esruon ( talk) 20:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Made some changes to content to remove some of the advertisements. Also changed some headings to better reflect the content under the headings. Made section on Hutto center smaller, as there is an entire article on this topic already on Wiki. Added some outside research sources. Esruon ( talk) 20:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esruon ( talk • contribs) 20:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Added information on Inmate Rehabilitation programs, recognition and reform sections Esruon ( talk) 15:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Changed section to Company History, removed uncited content on Houston Detention Center, added some information about other facilities manged by CCA - includes references Esruon ( talk) 15:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
After adding sources and editing advertising related fields, removed advert and sources needed flagging. Esruon ( talk) 16:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC) Could not find source for final sentence under Private/Public prisons, so I removed sentence. Esruon ( talk) 16:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
As many people on this page have stated, this article is extremely slanted towards the company with only a very minor section about controversies. The article makes the company seem as if it is the only answer to the problems facing the US prison system, instead of just being a factual account of the history of the company and its current status. It also fails to mention many negative aspects about prisons run by the company such as riots, overcrowding, and lawsuits. The Flying IP ( talk) 01:22, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, all. This article isn't of overwhelming interest to me, to be frank, but I thought that "regulars" here might like to be made aware of something touched on in a four-participant, fifty-minute discussion and interview I heard today via NPR. The program was the 19 April 2012 broadcast of To the Point. It was about the activities of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), an ideologically conservative group whose members are (1) lobbyists acting on behalf of large corporations and, (2) conservative state legislators, almost all of them Republican. It's a private organization, funded largely by the Koch family, and it has legislators and lobbyists drafting model legislation together and voting on it as equals, behind closed doors.
Once they "pass" some model legislation in this way, the legislators go home from the fancy hotels and resorts where these meetings are held and push forward the model legislation the group drafted and approved, without telling anyone of its origin. This is how we quietly ended up with so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws that are nearly identical in 24 states. The process, and the organization itself, didn't really get much notice from the media until recently: Evidently no one really knew that so many U.S. states had so many essentially identically-worded state laws backing conservative ideology until Trayvon Martin was shot in Florida and that state's "Stand Your Ground" law was cited in the shooter's defence.
So, on this radio program, mention was briefly made of CCA as a participant in this ALEC group. Guests on the radio show spoke of model legislation promoted by CCA and ALEC to encourage the privatisation of prisons and if I understood it correctly, to require that contracts between state governements and CCA must guarantee that CCA prisons would be filled to at least 95% capacity. Please see the relevant section ( link/ permalink) on the talk page for the ALEC article for further details and sourcing. The program is well worth listening to, fascinating stuff imo, even if you don't incorporate any of its material into the "lobbying activities" section of this CCA article. It's available via streaming, a podcast, or a downloadable mp3, all at no charge. Cheers, – OhioStandard ( talk) 07:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Very little lipservice is paid to the arguments against privatization while biased sources (all slanted toward privatization) are cited to support privatization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.36.234 ( talk) 11:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, all. I've spent some time reviewing this article's history, and have concluded that this article may be the target of paid or COI editors. I make no accusations about the following accounts, particularly, but I did notice that in its first edit to the encyclopaedia, new user account Jdiffenderfer ( talk · contribs) removed two refs to the New York Times that echo the previous actions of Esruon ( talk · contribs), an editor whose contributions overlap to a surprising degree with those of EmmaMae ( talk · contribs), on this article and others. User Esruon previously deleted the New York Times content as well, over the objections of other editors; see the Removed Detainees Death section of this talk page. – OhioStandard ( talk) 08:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
This is utterly inappropriate. There is a forum for airing LEGITIMATE or substantive allegations of wrongdoing, and this is not it. You are essentially saying two things. First, you came to this page, not to make constructive edits, but to WP:COATRACK, and instead of spending the time editing, you searched the Users, not the content, to look for conspiracies. Second, you are making accusations WP:NPA that you admit have no basis. Either make them in the appropriate place, on the COI pages, which requires you to inform the parties and be held accountable for your accusations, or don't make them in the first place. Making an accusation where they may not be seen, then trying to avoid responsibility by saying (which makes no sense) that your accusation is not an accusation (when it clearly is) is cowardly and dishonest. Make them or take them down. -- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 17:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
This anon user and I have been in conflict over the American Legislative Exchange Council article. He's just shown up here, today, presumably for the first time, at an article I've been editing. His edits have skewed it away from the sources, which he appears not to have read based on the edits he made. He's deleted long-standing content that's been discussed previously on this talk page, and has rearranged sections in a way that, in my opinion, tends also to make this article more like an advert for CCA than it already was. I've reverted these changes. -- OhioStandard ( talk) 05:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
The vast majority of what I see from Ohiostandard is voluminous essays, very recent, on the Talk page canvassing for people to go to the ALEC page, and to make this article page a WP:COATRACK for attacks on ALEC. Fixed sentences that rambled (as editors are supposed to), removed a couple of verbose WP:SYNTH preambles to perfectly OK factual sourced (but then brief and to the point) statements, an most importantly, moved controversies from random and inappropriate placements, (with the exception of the Private-Public section, which is more of a concept, and works well as a Pro/Anti paragraph on its own) to the Controversy section. No big removals.
Now for the part I am sure is the primary problem for OS. No problem in pointing out that CCA lobbies, or that there can be controversies surrounding that (though to call it a problem, you really have to show a problematic area, and where CCA lobbying may have resulted in a law that does something not in the public interest - if you really want to call this controversy, find an issue) Article though, ends up having a WP:COATRACK in stating that ALEC is a lobbying organization. ALEC is not, statements to the contrary, though they have been made, are obvious POV. No problem saying CCA belongs and has belonged to ALEC, it is true, and this was added in a NPOV way. -- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 15:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
USER BlueSalix posted CNN story about a riot at the CCA Adams County, Mississippi, prison that contained information about the death of one guard and hospital treatment of 15 others, in a new section === incidents ===
USER:Collect removed the section. Collect commented: (→Incidents: article does not say in any way that the riot was associated with the company running the prison)
I restored the section.
USER:Collect undid my restoration
I discussed the matter on the USER:Collect's Talk page. Collect defended his or her reverts.
I discussed the matter further, on Collect's Talk page, which that user visited.
Editor BlueSalix restored his or her original section and post, regarding the riot and death.
USER:Collect once again undid the posting and removed the section, then reverted the undo by still a third USER:Curb Chain noting:(Undid revision 493770189 by BlueSalix (talk)rv SPS as reasoning was iterated clearly - there is criticism in the article, and this trivia is not even criticism)
These are my comments posted at USER:Collect's Talk page
USER:COLLECT suggested I refer the matter for CONSENSUS. Since this was not a difference of opinion between just two (now between USER:Collect and three other) editors, I followed WIKIPEDIA advice and referred the matter to the noticeboard as USER:Collect's three reverts would appear to be an edit war. Please correct me if I'm in error with specifics. Thank you. Activist ( talk) 16:11, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Some questions this edit raises, however: (1) Should any incidences be cataloged on the CCA page? (Other, public sector corrections operators do *not* have a similar section, even though they also suffer riots and disturbances - riots are cataloged on individual institutional entries.) (2) If we accept #1 as "yes", should there be a standard on which to include? (All prisons have riots and disturbances, is there a standard of notability [e.g. fatality] that should be enforced?) BlueSalix ( talk) 00:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't necessarily argue that an incident should NOT be in the article, but that the argument hasn't been made, yet, that THIS incident is significant. WP is NOTTHENEWS, not everything should be in. Prisons are violent places, putting up a section labeled Incidents implicitly states that THESE incidents are significant, not just that they happened. If it or they say something about CCA, more than pointing out that yes, it is a prison, OK; otherwise, not sufficiently notable for inclusion. The only CCA employee death probably makes that hurdle, fights between gangs in general, no.-- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 20:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
The section "Private vs. Public Partnership" appears to be a more general argument for/against private prisons and would be more appropriate in Private prison than in Corrections Corporation of America specifically. I request consensus to delete this entire section, which is adequately duplicated at the former entry. BlueSalix ( talk) 21:38, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Understand your point, that these are all GENERAL questions of Private Prisons, not sure I agree it does not belong in the article. EXACTLY same thing applies to "Occupancy" section; not really specific to CCA, just a general phenomenon of Private Prisons. Removing also as per consensus. -- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 20:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Read the section on Treatment of inmates, which is very poorly written, was particularly struck by the fact that it never really says WHAT the problems are, just lists adjectives. Dug a little deeper, seems to be two different problems. There is the general issue of how prison inmates are cared for, which would need a global view, not anecdotal. The ICE detention program, though seems to have a systemic problem with health care. ICE does a quick med evaluation, CCA does a quick one as well, but since both treat ICE detention as a short-term stay, nothing exhaustive. If you read up on the cases cited in the news articles, all involve ICE detainees that had terminal illnesses when rounded up, and the CCA response is to petition to let them go when found, which in a way makes sense. Sounds like there is some disagreement between ICE and CCA as to how to handle these, and who is responsible. Problem is, the new articles also are not very good about identifying the problem, and also devolve into invective more than analysis. If you go to primary sources, you get a better idea of what is going on, but posting on WP would yield OR objections. Clearly ICE is not reporting deaths from pre-existing terminal conditions, and neither is CCA. -- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 16:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The claims about ALEC seeking a 95% occupancy rate for CCA appear problematic. Can someone give a transcript showing this is made as a factual claim by NPR or is it an opinion which must be ascribed to the person making the claim? Also I found the existing language of
to be ludicrous and worrthy of a "d'oh" at best. The "occupancy rate" claim must be sourced - and is not. And I find very few folks want to invest in something with the intent of losing money <g>. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 13:24, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Article has long had the erroneous information that CCA "opened the first medium security privately owned prison." In fact, Winn prison, in Winnfield, LA, is owned by the state but has been managed as an experiment by CCA from the start, as has the Allen prison by GEO Group the same year. Governor Bobby Jindal has tried to sell these prisons and two others for the past two years but the legislature has resisted the sales. http://www.cca.com/facility/winn-correctional-center/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Activist ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
In June of 2011 [1], Citizens in and around Southwest Ranches, FL became aware of a new deal where CCA was looking to build the nations largest detention center in the United States located in a densely populated area and actually non-contiguous to the Town it was going to be approved by. Surrounded by such a dense population and also home to a nearby school population of approx. 23,000 school children, he closest of which being half a mile away. A public safety concern for all surrounding the parcel due prison riots, escapes and and increase of traffic. There was a large amount of opposition against the project which included people from the Town of Southwest Ranches, Pembroke Pines and the surrounding Broward/Miami-Dade Counties. A portion of the controversy stemmed from the Town of Southwest Ranches putting a guarantee of water for the CCA facility into a Fire/EMS agreement with it's neighbor Pembroke Pines. An agreement that was cancelled [2] in February 2012 by the Pembroke Pines Commission. Residents created a grassroots political action committee to fight the prison (RAID PAC) and posted all the public records related to the deal on their blog NOPRISONSWR.ORG to expose the "Pay to Play" [3] relationship between the private prison operator and Representatives Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Senator Bill Nelson. Both of which received campaign donations shortly after submitting a letter of recommendation for their project with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In June 2012, ICE reevaluated it's decision to choose Southwest Ranches, FL [4]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citizenforbettergovt ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
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[1] User:Collect claims that it violates WP:UNDUE for this article to mention that the CCA has been found in contempt of court by a federal judge? Edit summary was: Wikipedia is not a newspaper -- and this level of scrutiny in an article verges on undue weight - plenty of negative tidbits already here
If a corporation does many things which are found to be illegal by federal judges, then there may be many things which you may consider negative in the article. I would say that being found to be in contempt of a federal court is kind of a big deal and something that may be noted in this article without violating WP:UNDUE. — goethean 16:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
And let us use the Chronicle article as the source. Also, if there are missing findings for other cases that have this much coverage, they might need to be added to this article. I suggest we spend time looking. --( AfadsBad ( talk) 17:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC))
I would say that being found to be in contempt of a federal court is kind of a big deal and something that may be noted in this article without violating WP:UNDUE was stated above. I noted several major cases where, apparently, editors at other articles which I do not edit clearly demurred. The net result of the case at hand was that no penalties were assessed of any kind, and the IDOC was told they could seek in state court to enforce contractual obligations. Cheers. BTW, making a personal attack and "striking it out", but leaving it on the page, is not exactly in the spirit of WP:AGF is it? Collect ( talk) 20:31, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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This is not supposed to be an essay about how Hutto and co. founded this prison company, but a factual accounting. Toned down material from company website about their opening days. I have worked on this material before. Let's keep to the facts, please. Parkwells ( talk) 22:22, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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The hyperlink leads you to the entry about John Horne, a Scottish geologist who died in 1928. I don't think he's making those board meetings too often these days. 66.65.57.234 20:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
The Whole "Olympic Model" section is lifted directly from CCA's website —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.54.75 ( talk) 18:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Note that most of the references for this page are from sources in ideological opposition to prison privatization. The page also implies that noncriminal immigrants and their children are being held by virtue of corporate policy, rather than federal immigration law. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.171.129 ( talk) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This article lists a "Tom Beasley" as a co-founder of CCA, and links to the Tom Beasley page. However, that page contains a bio of a football player, with no indication of his involvement with CCA. Are they the same person? If not, the link should be changed; if so, the Tom Beasley article should be edited to include the information about CCA. Rangergordon ( talk) 11:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I would have like to seen more research into the cons of privatization. Such as the lack of information that a private organization/corporation is obligated to share with the public. Pivate Coroporations do no need to accept or reply to Public Infomation request from citizens. latinguy2009 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC).
CCA's record on prison riots is completely missing from this article, though I found three separate reports in less than ten minutes with Google. Some more work needs to be done. Patrij ( talk) 13:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
This whole article reads like a CCA sales brochure. The article talks about independent research that supports private management of prisons, yet does not refer to the equal amount of studies that discourage said private management. It does not also mention Deer Park Prison in Victoria, Australia, that was purchased back by the Victorian government after a number of contract breaches. See "Dame Phyllis Frost Centre" on Wiki. —Preceding
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I strongly agree that the entire article is highly impartial, and that most of the content is Pro-CCA or Pro-privatization of prison management. Much of the content is more about touting CCA's supposed superior quality and standards and not about imparting information in a neutral manner. The quality of this article is so terrible that I think that it really needs to be rewritten entirely. -- Felojiro ( talk) 15:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
This article is below sub-standard. It reads like a press release, and fails to note any of the numerous scandals involving CCA and their prisons.
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I have reorganized the article without removing any information. I will add more info shortly.-- Knulclunk ( talk) 17:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
The last section of the article was an unsourced rant. Though it mentions a source, it is unclear what is from the source and what is the editor's personal opinion. I've copied it below:
Normally I take it upon myself to look into such things, but I can't at the moment. Any editor is welcome to fix the section (provide proper refs, make it clear what is from the article, remove POV) and re-insert it into the article. But it should be called "CCA inmate didn't leave cell to shower for 9 mos.". It should instead be referenced under a "criticism" section or something similar. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 14:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
In order to remove opinions and bias from page, deleted quote from Bill Maher Anourse ( talk) 17:29, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Found quote to offer neutrality Esruon ( talk) 18:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Section contained information that was not sourced, information that was sourced came from an opinion based organization and reflected opinion of author. Link to news article was from non-English paper and could not substantiate the content. Anourse ( talk) 17:34, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. Added information on ICE changes affecting CCA Esruon ( talk) 19:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Removed: Because CCA is a private company and is not required to do so, it and its contracting agencies refuse to respond to Freedom of Information requests for information that government-run prisons would be required to disclose, but courts have ruled in favor of some disclosure requests. Because source tied to this was unrelated, NYT articles referred to detainee deaths and not to disclosure information, and have not been able to locate source for this information. If proper sourcing is found will repost information. Esruon ( talk) 20:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Made some changes to content to remove some of the advertisements. Also changed some headings to better reflect the content under the headings. Made section on Hutto center smaller, as there is an entire article on this topic already on Wiki. Added some outside research sources. Esruon ( talk) 20:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esruon ( talk • contribs) 20:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Added information on Inmate Rehabilitation programs, recognition and reform sections Esruon ( talk) 15:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Changed section to Company History, removed uncited content on Houston Detention Center, added some information about other facilities manged by CCA - includes references Esruon ( talk) 15:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
After adding sources and editing advertising related fields, removed advert and sources needed flagging. Esruon ( talk) 16:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC) Could not find source for final sentence under Private/Public prisons, so I removed sentence. Esruon ( talk) 16:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
As many people on this page have stated, this article is extremely slanted towards the company with only a very minor section about controversies. The article makes the company seem as if it is the only answer to the problems facing the US prison system, instead of just being a factual account of the history of the company and its current status. It also fails to mention many negative aspects about prisons run by the company such as riots, overcrowding, and lawsuits. The Flying IP ( talk) 01:22, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, all. This article isn't of overwhelming interest to me, to be frank, but I thought that "regulars" here might like to be made aware of something touched on in a four-participant, fifty-minute discussion and interview I heard today via NPR. The program was the 19 April 2012 broadcast of To the Point. It was about the activities of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), an ideologically conservative group whose members are (1) lobbyists acting on behalf of large corporations and, (2) conservative state legislators, almost all of them Republican. It's a private organization, funded largely by the Koch family, and it has legislators and lobbyists drafting model legislation together and voting on it as equals, behind closed doors.
Once they "pass" some model legislation in this way, the legislators go home from the fancy hotels and resorts where these meetings are held and push forward the model legislation the group drafted and approved, without telling anyone of its origin. This is how we quietly ended up with so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws that are nearly identical in 24 states. The process, and the organization itself, didn't really get much notice from the media until recently: Evidently no one really knew that so many U.S. states had so many essentially identically-worded state laws backing conservative ideology until Trayvon Martin was shot in Florida and that state's "Stand Your Ground" law was cited in the shooter's defence.
So, on this radio program, mention was briefly made of CCA as a participant in this ALEC group. Guests on the radio show spoke of model legislation promoted by CCA and ALEC to encourage the privatisation of prisons and if I understood it correctly, to require that contracts between state governements and CCA must guarantee that CCA prisons would be filled to at least 95% capacity. Please see the relevant section ( link/ permalink) on the talk page for the ALEC article for further details and sourcing. The program is well worth listening to, fascinating stuff imo, even if you don't incorporate any of its material into the "lobbying activities" section of this CCA article. It's available via streaming, a podcast, or a downloadable mp3, all at no charge. Cheers, – OhioStandard ( talk) 07:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Very little lipservice is paid to the arguments against privatization while biased sources (all slanted toward privatization) are cited to support privatization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.36.234 ( talk) 11:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, all. I've spent some time reviewing this article's history, and have concluded that this article may be the target of paid or COI editors. I make no accusations about the following accounts, particularly, but I did notice that in its first edit to the encyclopaedia, new user account Jdiffenderfer ( talk · contribs) removed two refs to the New York Times that echo the previous actions of Esruon ( talk · contribs), an editor whose contributions overlap to a surprising degree with those of EmmaMae ( talk · contribs), on this article and others. User Esruon previously deleted the New York Times content as well, over the objections of other editors; see the Removed Detainees Death section of this talk page. – OhioStandard ( talk) 08:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
This is utterly inappropriate. There is a forum for airing LEGITIMATE or substantive allegations of wrongdoing, and this is not it. You are essentially saying two things. First, you came to this page, not to make constructive edits, but to WP:COATRACK, and instead of spending the time editing, you searched the Users, not the content, to look for conspiracies. Second, you are making accusations WP:NPA that you admit have no basis. Either make them in the appropriate place, on the COI pages, which requires you to inform the parties and be held accountable for your accusations, or don't make them in the first place. Making an accusation where they may not be seen, then trying to avoid responsibility by saying (which makes no sense) that your accusation is not an accusation (when it clearly is) is cowardly and dishonest. Make them or take them down. -- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 17:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
This anon user and I have been in conflict over the American Legislative Exchange Council article. He's just shown up here, today, presumably for the first time, at an article I've been editing. His edits have skewed it away from the sources, which he appears not to have read based on the edits he made. He's deleted long-standing content that's been discussed previously on this talk page, and has rearranged sections in a way that, in my opinion, tends also to make this article more like an advert for CCA than it already was. I've reverted these changes. -- OhioStandard ( talk) 05:53, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
The vast majority of what I see from Ohiostandard is voluminous essays, very recent, on the Talk page canvassing for people to go to the ALEC page, and to make this article page a WP:COATRACK for attacks on ALEC. Fixed sentences that rambled (as editors are supposed to), removed a couple of verbose WP:SYNTH preambles to perfectly OK factual sourced (but then brief and to the point) statements, an most importantly, moved controversies from random and inappropriate placements, (with the exception of the Private-Public section, which is more of a concept, and works well as a Pro/Anti paragraph on its own) to the Controversy section. No big removals.
Now for the part I am sure is the primary problem for OS. No problem in pointing out that CCA lobbies, or that there can be controversies surrounding that (though to call it a problem, you really have to show a problematic area, and where CCA lobbying may have resulted in a law that does something not in the public interest - if you really want to call this controversy, find an issue) Article though, ends up having a WP:COATRACK in stating that ALEC is a lobbying organization. ALEC is not, statements to the contrary, though they have been made, are obvious POV. No problem saying CCA belongs and has belonged to ALEC, it is true, and this was added in a NPOV way. -- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 15:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
USER BlueSalix posted CNN story about a riot at the CCA Adams County, Mississippi, prison that contained information about the death of one guard and hospital treatment of 15 others, in a new section === incidents ===
USER:Collect removed the section. Collect commented: (→Incidents: article does not say in any way that the riot was associated with the company running the prison)
I restored the section.
USER:Collect undid my restoration
I discussed the matter on the USER:Collect's Talk page. Collect defended his or her reverts.
I discussed the matter further, on Collect's Talk page, which that user visited.
Editor BlueSalix restored his or her original section and post, regarding the riot and death.
USER:Collect once again undid the posting and removed the section, then reverted the undo by still a third USER:Curb Chain noting:(Undid revision 493770189 by BlueSalix (talk)rv SPS as reasoning was iterated clearly - there is criticism in the article, and this trivia is not even criticism)
These are my comments posted at USER:Collect's Talk page
USER:COLLECT suggested I refer the matter for CONSENSUS. Since this was not a difference of opinion between just two (now between USER:Collect and three other) editors, I followed WIKIPEDIA advice and referred the matter to the noticeboard as USER:Collect's three reverts would appear to be an edit war. Please correct me if I'm in error with specifics. Thank you. Activist ( talk) 16:11, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Some questions this edit raises, however: (1) Should any incidences be cataloged on the CCA page? (Other, public sector corrections operators do *not* have a similar section, even though they also suffer riots and disturbances - riots are cataloged on individual institutional entries.) (2) If we accept #1 as "yes", should there be a standard on which to include? (All prisons have riots and disturbances, is there a standard of notability [e.g. fatality] that should be enforced?) BlueSalix ( talk) 00:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't necessarily argue that an incident should NOT be in the article, but that the argument hasn't been made, yet, that THIS incident is significant. WP is NOTTHENEWS, not everything should be in. Prisons are violent places, putting up a section labeled Incidents implicitly states that THESE incidents are significant, not just that they happened. If it or they say something about CCA, more than pointing out that yes, it is a prison, OK; otherwise, not sufficiently notable for inclusion. The only CCA employee death probably makes that hurdle, fights between gangs in general, no.-- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 20:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
The section "Private vs. Public Partnership" appears to be a more general argument for/against private prisons and would be more appropriate in Private prison than in Corrections Corporation of America specifically. I request consensus to delete this entire section, which is adequately duplicated at the former entry. BlueSalix ( talk) 21:38, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Understand your point, that these are all GENERAL questions of Private Prisons, not sure I agree it does not belong in the article. EXACTLY same thing applies to "Occupancy" section; not really specific to CCA, just a general phenomenon of Private Prisons. Removing also as per consensus. -- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 20:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Read the section on Treatment of inmates, which is very poorly written, was particularly struck by the fact that it never really says WHAT the problems are, just lists adjectives. Dug a little deeper, seems to be two different problems. There is the general issue of how prison inmates are cared for, which would need a global view, not anecdotal. The ICE detention program, though seems to have a systemic problem with health care. ICE does a quick med evaluation, CCA does a quick one as well, but since both treat ICE detention as a short-term stay, nothing exhaustive. If you read up on the cases cited in the news articles, all involve ICE detainees that had terminal illnesses when rounded up, and the CCA response is to petition to let them go when found, which in a way makes sense. Sounds like there is some disagreement between ICE and CCA as to how to handle these, and who is responsible. Problem is, the new articles also are not very good about identifying the problem, and also devolve into invective more than analysis. If you go to primary sources, you get a better idea of what is going on, but posting on WP would yield OR objections. Clearly ICE is not reporting deaths from pre-existing terminal conditions, and neither is CCA. -- 209.6.69.227 ( talk) 16:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The claims about ALEC seeking a 95% occupancy rate for CCA appear problematic. Can someone give a transcript showing this is made as a factual claim by NPR or is it an opinion which must be ascribed to the person making the claim? Also I found the existing language of
to be ludicrous and worrthy of a "d'oh" at best. The "occupancy rate" claim must be sourced - and is not. And I find very few folks want to invest in something with the intent of losing money <g>. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 13:24, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Article has long had the erroneous information that CCA "opened the first medium security privately owned prison." In fact, Winn prison, in Winnfield, LA, is owned by the state but has been managed as an experiment by CCA from the start, as has the Allen prison by GEO Group the same year. Governor Bobby Jindal has tried to sell these prisons and two others for the past two years but the legislature has resisted the sales. http://www.cca.com/facility/winn-correctional-center/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Activist ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
In June of 2011 [1], Citizens in and around Southwest Ranches, FL became aware of a new deal where CCA was looking to build the nations largest detention center in the United States located in a densely populated area and actually non-contiguous to the Town it was going to be approved by. Surrounded by such a dense population and also home to a nearby school population of approx. 23,000 school children, he closest of which being half a mile away. A public safety concern for all surrounding the parcel due prison riots, escapes and and increase of traffic. There was a large amount of opposition against the project which included people from the Town of Southwest Ranches, Pembroke Pines and the surrounding Broward/Miami-Dade Counties. A portion of the controversy stemmed from the Town of Southwest Ranches putting a guarantee of water for the CCA facility into a Fire/EMS agreement with it's neighbor Pembroke Pines. An agreement that was cancelled [2] in February 2012 by the Pembroke Pines Commission. Residents created a grassroots political action committee to fight the prison (RAID PAC) and posted all the public records related to the deal on their blog NOPRISONSWR.ORG to expose the "Pay to Play" [3] relationship between the private prison operator and Representatives Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Senator Bill Nelson. Both of which received campaign donations shortly after submitting a letter of recommendation for their project with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In June 2012, ICE reevaluated it's decision to choose Southwest Ranches, FL [4]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Citizenforbettergovt ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
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[1] User:Collect claims that it violates WP:UNDUE for this article to mention that the CCA has been found in contempt of court by a federal judge? Edit summary was: Wikipedia is not a newspaper -- and this level of scrutiny in an article verges on undue weight - plenty of negative tidbits already here
If a corporation does many things which are found to be illegal by federal judges, then there may be many things which you may consider negative in the article. I would say that being found to be in contempt of a federal court is kind of a big deal and something that may be noted in this article without violating WP:UNDUE. — goethean 16:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
And let us use the Chronicle article as the source. Also, if there are missing findings for other cases that have this much coverage, they might need to be added to this article. I suggest we spend time looking. --( AfadsBad ( talk) 17:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC))
I would say that being found to be in contempt of a federal court is kind of a big deal and something that may be noted in this article without violating WP:UNDUE was stated above. I noted several major cases where, apparently, editors at other articles which I do not edit clearly demurred. The net result of the case at hand was that no penalties were assessed of any kind, and the IDOC was told they could seek in state court to enforce contractual obligations. Cheers. BTW, making a personal attack and "striking it out", but leaving it on the page, is not exactly in the spirit of WP:AGF is it? Collect ( talk) 20:31, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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Just wanted to let you all know that I am trying to organize this to reduce repetition and some circularity. Content about particular facilities should appear all in one place, I think, rather than in different sections. It is unclear to me why certain facilities are listed relatively early in the article, without a header for this section. Incidents of violence or mistreatment are noted for each, and in some cases narrated again or at great length under Controversies. I suggest we need a different name for that section anyway: Violent events and federal investigations are not controversies, like a difference of opinion, they are events and facts. Parkwells ( talk) 16:19, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
poor treatment of inmates and disclosure of oversight
What is plagiarised from the The Baffler's Sunday cryptic crossword? And that's my final answer. — MaxEnt 17:38, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
This is not supposed to be an essay about how Hutto and co. founded this prison company, but a factual accounting. Toned down material from company website about their opening days. I have worked on this material before. Let's keep to the facts, please. Parkwells ( talk) 22:22, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
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