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Grandfather was a fuedal lord?

"Concepción Michel was born in 1899 in Villa Purificación, Jalisco, Mexico. Her grandfather, Louis Michel, was one of the feudal lords of the Jaliscan Coast"

I can't read the article that the citation is from, but just based on when she was born, when fuedalism is generally considered to have ended, and the fact that it is generally considered a Eurpean phenomenon this seems like it might be something of a mistranslation. Even the "examples of fuedalism" doesn't mention Mexico in its non-European "semi-fuedal" section. 108.31.242.232 ( talk) 01:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC) reply

It isn't actually a mistranslation. The hacienda system in Mexico was a feudal system. Haciendados, (the owners) forced labor upon the native populations who had been living on the lands just as the Europeans had enslaved peasants. The "campesinos" were the equivalent to serfs. In some cases, as in Yucatán, they also imported indigenous people from other areas or brought in indentured workers. Yucatán#The henequen industry. The hacienda system was not outlawed until 1917, so clearly her grandfather could have been a feudal lord. SusunW ( talk) 01:45, 24 March 2015 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the clarification. Perhaps you should edit the fuedalism page. 108.31.242.232 ( talk) 02:24, 2 April 2015 (UTC) reply
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grandfather was a fuedal lord?

"Concepción Michel was born in 1899 in Villa Purificación, Jalisco, Mexico. Her grandfather, Louis Michel, was one of the feudal lords of the Jaliscan Coast"

I can't read the article that the citation is from, but just based on when she was born, when fuedalism is generally considered to have ended, and the fact that it is generally considered a Eurpean phenomenon this seems like it might be something of a mistranslation. Even the "examples of fuedalism" doesn't mention Mexico in its non-European "semi-fuedal" section. 108.31.242.232 ( talk) 01:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC) reply

It isn't actually a mistranslation. The hacienda system in Mexico was a feudal system. Haciendados, (the owners) forced labor upon the native populations who had been living on the lands just as the Europeans had enslaved peasants. The "campesinos" were the equivalent to serfs. In some cases, as in Yucatán, they also imported indigenous people from other areas or brought in indentured workers. Yucatán#The henequen industry. The hacienda system was not outlawed until 1917, so clearly her grandfather could have been a feudal lord. SusunW ( talk) 01:45, 24 March 2015 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the clarification. Perhaps you should edit the fuedalism page. 108.31.242.232 ( talk) 02:24, 2 April 2015 (UTC) reply

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