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Gerard von Hebel, you’re absolutely correct, a country called Rhodesia has never legally existed.
Frenchmalawi (
talk) 04:31, 20 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Map
Current Commonwealth realms
Territories and dependencies of current realms
Former realms and
dominions that are now republics
Current Commonwealth realms
Territories and dependencies of current realms
Former realms and
dominions that are now republics
I believe that the map for this article should show current Commonwealth Realms and their territories (shown in the latter map) instead of former realms and dominions that are now republics (shown in the former map). The current map excludes many former colonies which maintained the monarch up to a later period than former dominions, for example many former African colonies. I believe the map should only show the present realms, and I would welcome thoughts on this matter.
AlloDoon (
talk) 11:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)reply
But the excluded colonies are colonies not independent states. I don't understand the rationale for removing all the independent states that were once realms or dominions.
Celia Homeford (
talk) 14:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Grenada
I don't believe Grenada uses the "United Kingdom" in its monarch's title/style, anymore - effective upon Charles III's accession. Thus for the moment, leaving Canada as the only non-UK realm continuing to use the "United Kingdom".
GoodDay (
talk) 15:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Regions discussion redux
@
Vic Park: Again, per
Talk:Commonwealth realm/Archive 21#Realms by region, there was a clear consensus from the participants involved that the listing of regions was not necessary. To reiterate the participants' points, it adds "confusion", was a "pointless addition resulting in unnecessary debate [and] Adds nothing", and to reiterate my own arguments is a category that doesn't provide "any real context to the article topic itself (that is, what is a CR)" and is something that could be expounded on in the section's lead paragraph. The conversation afterwards was myself attempting to bridge this rationale to exclude population as well, but I was unsuccessful in swaying the participants there.
If you or anyone would like to reexplore this discussion, I would be more than happy to, but I believe the last discussion on the issue made it clear that there is an existing consensus among the page's editors not to include regions for now.
Leventio (
talk) 04:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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This article is written in
British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other
varieties of English. According to the
relevant style guide, this should not be changed without
broad consensus.
Gerard von Hebel, you’re absolutely correct, a country called Rhodesia has never legally existed.
Frenchmalawi (
talk) 04:31, 20 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Map
Current Commonwealth realms
Territories and dependencies of current realms
Former realms and
dominions that are now republics
Current Commonwealth realms
Territories and dependencies of current realms
Former realms and
dominions that are now republics
I believe that the map for this article should show current Commonwealth Realms and their territories (shown in the latter map) instead of former realms and dominions that are now republics (shown in the former map). The current map excludes many former colonies which maintained the monarch up to a later period than former dominions, for example many former African colonies. I believe the map should only show the present realms, and I would welcome thoughts on this matter.
AlloDoon (
talk) 11:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)reply
But the excluded colonies are colonies not independent states. I don't understand the rationale for removing all the independent states that were once realms or dominions.
Celia Homeford (
talk) 14:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Grenada
I don't believe Grenada uses the "United Kingdom" in its monarch's title/style, anymore - effective upon Charles III's accession. Thus for the moment, leaving Canada as the only non-UK realm continuing to use the "United Kingdom".
GoodDay (
talk) 15:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Regions discussion redux
@
Vic Park: Again, per
Talk:Commonwealth realm/Archive 21#Realms by region, there was a clear consensus from the participants involved that the listing of regions was not necessary. To reiterate the participants' points, it adds "confusion", was a "pointless addition resulting in unnecessary debate [and] Adds nothing", and to reiterate my own arguments is a category that doesn't provide "any real context to the article topic itself (that is, what is a CR)" and is something that could be expounded on in the section's lead paragraph. The conversation afterwards was myself attempting to bridge this rationale to exclude population as well, but I was unsuccessful in swaying the participants there.
If you or anyone would like to reexplore this discussion, I would be more than happy to, but I believe the last discussion on the issue made it clear that there is an existing consensus among the page's editors not to include regions for now.
Leventio (
talk) 04:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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