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Which city/town does the reservoir feed? {I know some/many of the welsh ones are primarily for Birmingham, for example, which is far from any suitable water source} Graldensblud 01:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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Discussion relating to how the issue of this being a reservoir built in Wales primarily for the purpose of serving English cities should be handled within the article. Theknightwho ( talk) 23:24, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
I have reverted to the previous cited text. While the reverting edit summary ("Clywedog water has never gone to Birmingham only to South Staff and to Severn Trent for areas south of Birmingham. Birmingham remains reliant on Elan Valley. Perhaps Birmingma sounded better to Halcrows than South Staffs !") may well be true, it is not for editors to choose which reliable sources to believe, without corroborating sources. The reference stated “The Clywedog Dam in Wales was built to supply Birmingham and the Midlands with an extra 50 billion litres of water.”, which is pretty straightforward (unless the source - the builders- is suspect, in which case a query to WP:RSN should be made). The references provided for the change were tenuous, at best. For example, the first citation didn't even mention Clywedog reservoir. I had a look at the South Staffs Water site. They make few references to Clywedog. Here they say “River Severn - Clywedog Reservoir is being used by the Environment Agency to release water into the River Severn to support river flows.”. From my understanding of their site, they abstract water from the River Severn, as do other water companies, but they do not source directly from Clywdog Reservoir and claim no control over it. In fact, Severn Trent Water are the owners. If the second reference supports the statement that “the reservoir was built … to provide additional security of supply to the South Stafforshire area and other parts of the English Midlands.” please quote the relevant text from the citation, as I was unable to find it. Thanks, Daicaregos ( talk) 20:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
It carries out in a similar vein but to quote more might breach copyright. I have added this as a ref to the article. Velella Velella Talk 19:08, 22 September 2018 (UTC)"The chief function of the reservoir is river regulation...."
You misquoted. I'm astounded! Your partial quote gives a total different meaning! I've now included the missing bits (...) from the quote; please don't attempt this kind of pov on Wikipedia again. The full text mentions the future: the future needs of statutory water undertakers and others (named in section (2) and (3). And you did that in order to slant the reader's opinion. Pro-English, anti-Welsh POV. I've now reinstated the full quote (section 6) together with those which it refers to. The Act gives authority for a new reservoir as they needed more water going into the river, so that they could take more water out of the river, for English towns and cities. Cell Danwydd ( talk) 16:48, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved, uncontroversial, given the article titles found in Category:Reservoirs in Wales and Category:Reservoirs in England. Bencherlite Talk 22:45, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Clywedog reservoir →
Clywedog Reservoir – Capitalising the 'r' of reservoir would bring this proper name into line with other reservoir article titles but 'Clywedog Reservoir' is currently a redirect to this page.
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With the assistance of the The Wikipedia Library Card Platform, I have accessed the Institute of Civil Engineers digitised library and found a 2016 paper written by the supervising engineer for the reservoir and the operational manager. The abstract contains the following paragraph:
By the early 1950s, increasing demand for water in the Midlands gave rise to concerns over the long-term sustainability of flows in the River Severn and in particular during periods of dry weather. In 1961, Sir William Halcrow and Partners Ltd was commissioned to review the feasibility of constructing a reservoir to provide storage of 50 000 Ml of water for river regulation. Releases would be made in order to maintain a minimum flow of 720 Ml/d at a control point located at Bewdley in Worcestershire.
This confirms the purpose of the reservoir. Velella Velella Talk 22:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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Which city/town does the reservoir feed? {I know some/many of the welsh ones are primarily for Birmingham, for example, which is far from any suitable water source} Graldensblud 01:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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Discussion relating to how the issue of this being a reservoir built in Wales primarily for the purpose of serving English cities should be handled within the article. Theknightwho ( talk) 23:24, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
I have reverted to the previous cited text. While the reverting edit summary ("Clywedog water has never gone to Birmingham only to South Staff and to Severn Trent for areas south of Birmingham. Birmingham remains reliant on Elan Valley. Perhaps Birmingma sounded better to Halcrows than South Staffs !") may well be true, it is not for editors to choose which reliable sources to believe, without corroborating sources. The reference stated “The Clywedog Dam in Wales was built to supply Birmingham and the Midlands with an extra 50 billion litres of water.”, which is pretty straightforward (unless the source - the builders- is suspect, in which case a query to WP:RSN should be made). The references provided for the change were tenuous, at best. For example, the first citation didn't even mention Clywedog reservoir. I had a look at the South Staffs Water site. They make few references to Clywedog. Here they say “River Severn - Clywedog Reservoir is being used by the Environment Agency to release water into the River Severn to support river flows.”. From my understanding of their site, they abstract water from the River Severn, as do other water companies, but they do not source directly from Clywdog Reservoir and claim no control over it. In fact, Severn Trent Water are the owners. If the second reference supports the statement that “the reservoir was built … to provide additional security of supply to the South Stafforshire area and other parts of the English Midlands.” please quote the relevant text from the citation, as I was unable to find it. Thanks, Daicaregos ( talk) 20:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
It carries out in a similar vein but to quote more might breach copyright. I have added this as a ref to the article. Velella Velella Talk 19:08, 22 September 2018 (UTC)"The chief function of the reservoir is river regulation...."
You misquoted. I'm astounded! Your partial quote gives a total different meaning! I've now included the missing bits (...) from the quote; please don't attempt this kind of pov on Wikipedia again. The full text mentions the future: the future needs of statutory water undertakers and others (named in section (2) and (3). And you did that in order to slant the reader's opinion. Pro-English, anti-Welsh POV. I've now reinstated the full quote (section 6) together with those which it refers to. The Act gives authority for a new reservoir as they needed more water going into the river, so that they could take more water out of the river, for English towns and cities. Cell Danwydd ( talk) 16:48, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
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tag before a nine-year-old discussion? Why did you not add a neutral, brief statement and timestamp in accordance with
WP:RFCST? --
Redrose64 🌹 (
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The result of the move request was: page moved, uncontroversial, given the article titles found in Category:Reservoirs in Wales and Category:Reservoirs in England. Bencherlite Talk 22:45, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Clywedog reservoir →
Clywedog Reservoir – Capitalising the 'r' of reservoir would bring this proper name into line with other reservoir article titles but 'Clywedog Reservoir' is currently a redirect to this page.
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With the assistance of the The Wikipedia Library Card Platform, I have accessed the Institute of Civil Engineers digitised library and found a 2016 paper written by the supervising engineer for the reservoir and the operational manager. The abstract contains the following paragraph:
By the early 1950s, increasing demand for water in the Midlands gave rise to concerns over the long-term sustainability of flows in the River Severn and in particular during periods of dry weather. In 1961, Sir William Halcrow and Partners Ltd was commissioned to review the feasibility of constructing a reservoir to provide storage of 50 000 Ml of water for river regulation. Releases would be made in order to maintain a minimum flow of 720 Ml/d at a control point located at Bewdley in Worcestershire.
This confirms the purpose of the reservoir. Velella Velella Talk 22:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC)