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Eighth Kind: Human being is under mental control of aliens (e.g. black oil in The X-Files)
Ninth Kind: Deals with cases of CONVERSION - when a human being partially or completely transforms into an alien (e.g. District 9). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.150.231 ( talk) 07:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Citations please 59.167.111.154 ( talk) 01:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a kind for invasions as well? At least I would think. Solri89 ( talk) 07:25, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
We need a Close encounters of the Seventh Kind. This is in which the UFO witness is on the UFO, and the military takes it out. I've heard of a case of this nature from C2CAM while I was in the AZ area. A UFO was allegedly shot down over a military base in FL. The govt. got the UFO, aliens and some people abducted by the aliens. Martial Law 03:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- I am unable to confirm this, nor deny this either. Martial Law 03:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- That's sixth kind: Someone (Alien or Human) gets killed. Seventh is about NEW LIFE ! -- 87.3.213.14 18:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Why is this deleted (close encounters of sixth, seventh & eighth kind)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.163.19.99 ( talk) 16:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
- look below (:O) - Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 15:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I've an old paperback book titled "Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind" which recounts various sexual encounters with extraterrestrials. I mention this for two reasons: 1. it's a laff riot, and 2. it points up a problem with this page, namely that none of these expansions of the CE1-3 scale has either authority (which isn't so bad) or citation (which is). Without citation or some other means of weighing the usefulness of proposed labels, this page can only remain a catalog of its drafter's own preferences. True, many Wikipedia pages can also be described that way, but among paranormal-themed pages, it comes across as being more of a serious flaw. Adding citations would do a lot to heighten the NPOV here, or alternately, listing the various proposed expansions without ranking them as "fifth", "eighth", etc. If the field itself is not decided on a terminology, neither should an article about the state of the field, right?
- I agree with your considerations. I've added some comments about subtypes to the third kind proposed by Ted Bloecher. -- ElfQrin 13:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be The entity is observed entering or exiting a UFO. ? Ashanthalas 00:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
http://community.eons.com/groups/group/unexplained-phenomenon---ghosts-and-paranormal
Close Encounters
The following list of close encounters was first developed by Dr. J. Allen Hynek. I've added several others based on my own and the experiences of many others. Hynek proposed CE1 through CE5. It is clear that the others also exist.
CE1: A close encounter of the first kind is a UFO sighting within about 500 feet of the observer or witness.
CE2: A close encounter of the second kind is a UFO sighting that leaves physical evidence such as markings on the ground, burns, frightens animals, or interferes with engines, communications, radios, television reception.
CE3:A close encounter of the third kind includes sighting of alien occupants and perhaps detailed markings on the UFO.
CE4: A close encounter of the fourth kind is one in which the person reports being abducted.
CE5: A close encounter of the fifth kind is one where there is communication between and alien and a human.
CE6: A close encounter of the sixth kind is one in which there is voluntary participation of a human in the alien encounter and may include travel with an alien to a remote location and back.
CE7: A close encounter of the seventh kind is an encounter between a human and an alien but under the direction of the human where the alien participates in a service in a assisting, consulting or helping capacity.
Most if not all CE4s are actually CE6s where the human participant has forgotten their voluntary agreement.
Any agreements or prior arrangements can be cancelled or made void by the intent or a change of mind by the human. Just say no. Often if you decide to cancel an arrangement, your partner will have the opportunity to participate. They will experience a powerful seduction to participate in something new or unusual.
Many close encounters occur in dreamscape where the mind is a bit more accepting of other possibilities.
LOLZ Kmarinas86 04:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
ok i moved the list here until someone can give some citation (:O) - Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 15:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
The ''sixth kind'' and ''seventh kind'' have been introduced by some in the ufology community, but no formal recognition has yet been published.
== Sixth kind ==
The death of a human being or other animal during a witnessed encounter. {{Fact|date=April 2007}} Witnesses reporting UFOs flying above fields where cattle had been mutilated (See [[cattle mutilation]]) would be classified as a sixth-kind encounter. {{Fact|date=April 2007}}
== Seventh kind ==
The creation of a human alien hybrid, either through sexual contact or by scientific means. {{Fact|date=April 2007}} For example, see the case of [[Antonio Villas Boas]]
- the reference is incorrect ... a more specific citation should be given because someone could have just made this up (vandalism) (:O) - Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 13:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
From [http://www.ufocasebook.com/ UFO Casebook]'s Encounter Classification charts: :H: The alien is either injured, captured, and/or killed by the witness(es) and/or military personnel. The UFO may be captured and/or destroyed by witness(es) and/or military personnel.
What do we call an encounter that occurs in the astral plane? For example, if one becomes aware of a presence but cannot detect it physically, or if one sees a light entirely in the mind's eye and feels a presence associated with it, or if one is visited by E.T.'s during a dream or while in a semi-conscious state while trying to go to sleep. This kind of encounter has happened to me several times. One time, a negative E.T. came through an open window into my bedroom while I was dozing off to sleep. He grabbed onto my mind like a person might grab on to someone's body to attack them. I prayed to Jesus that he would protect me. Finally the entity left. Normally when this happens to me, it is positive entities that come in the form of a light in my mind's eye and I feel a strong presence all around me. Often very weird occurrences are associated with this, like I will look at the clock and it will always be 11 past the hour and/or I will feel dissociated from my body, kind of like an out of body experience.
Relatedly, these close encounters in the "Astral Plane" may also be what happens in the near death experience "NDE." During their NDE, people report feeling dissociated from their body during the moment of clinical death and meeting various relatives, loved ones or religious figures, depending on what their religious beliefs are. Encountering entities "posing" as the divine beings according to one's belief in a particular religion seems highly suspect and manipulative of beings who may be attempting to control the experiencer on "the other side" or astral plane.
This might be a new category of encounter. Has anyone had similar experiences? I imagine it is not too uncommon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smithb32 ( talk • contribs) 05:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Are you insane? Seriously, no one believes you. I don't think wikipedia has any use for your outrageous, bullshit claims. Also, your mind has an eye? You should get that checked out. -- 98.148.26.113 ( talk) 18:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- I consistently have these phenomena as well, however I would prefer to refer to them as dreams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.108.31 ( talk) 22:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Pontential correlation in this claim: A condition named night terror. /info/en/?search=Night_terror — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:1A40:978F:5D05:4731:80E5:D62E ( talk) 03:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Is there a reason why no mention is made of the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind? It could be done very simply i.e. by including a small sentence under the CE3 subsection "this type of encounter became well knows as a result of the 1977 film by the same name" or something to that effect. NeverWorker ( Drop me a line) 05:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't understand why there's no reference to the film either - Hynek even appears in it. There should also be a reference to last year's The Fourth Kind which explicitly references the scale. I have added both to the introduction. 68.146.81.123 ( talk) 19:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
The levels of encounter seem to jump from observation, to abduction, to some serious injury or death.
It seems to me that there should be an interim level that involves peaceful physical contact (i.e. non-injurious, like maybe a handshake) that doesn't escalate to abduction or anything of that nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.84.5 ( talk) 01:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
All of this assumes that one alien race is involved. There is no encounter involving interaction between humans and at least two other intelligent species that arrived at Earth by separate means. Their involvement with each other could be hostile, as in some sort of battle, or perhaps a meeting on neutral ground. Also, one alien civilization may have contacted Earth's governments and stationed forces to protect humanity from another race. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.108.31 ( talk) 22:11, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Have you been watching alien vs predetor? J ( talk) 17:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
That would qualify, yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.118.152 ( talk) 22:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
This article is just about Hynek's scale, the article should be renamed as such. IRWolfie- ( talk) 23:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- I just removed all the stuff cited to primary sources. Anyone who can find reliable secondary sources that cover other people's notions of "close encounters" is welcome to fill in the article. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 23:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I changed "First" to "First kind" which these categories seem to be called. JMK ( talk) 11:58, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Kind should be capitalized if the ordinals are.-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 18:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
How can this be a valid citation? Who is S.P.S. Jain and what is the context of the article where he/she lists some categories? Was this just a letter to the newspaper? How is The Times of India Authorative of UFO's? Should perhaps 5th kind and higher be removed from the article as there are no authorities on these numbers? The other reference by Judith Joyce didn't indicate if the categories listed above were her own original work or that of another. At least 4th kind has entered popular culture enough to become the title of a film. Simgrant ( talk) 23:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
This article reminds me of a medieval bestiary, full of detailed descriptions of non-existent animals or badly distorted details about actual animals, but with no logic to it. It also reminds me of Jorge Luis Borges's kinds of categorization, such as "objects that are hard, blue, and no more than 2 centimeters long". (Not his actual example, but a good substitute.) In other words, what is the logic behind "categorizing" a list of all the different kinds of encounters one can think of, to whatever level of detail one cares to go? Are the different kinds different in any essential way? Does any of them actually exist? I agree that classifications don't have to depend on existence, but then there should be some other reason, such as how strong the encounters would be as evidence, and more than minimal detail would be meaningless.
Suppose I'm thinking of classifying encounters with unicorns. I'm sure I could find some writings about that. Would it make substantially more sense than the detailed classifications here?
At least, can we prune the list to the basic one? Hynek wrote a book that became known to many people. What did Bloecher do to rate as notable? Vallee? Just publishing is not notable. Sorry.
I'd just like to see more critical thinking about all these details! Zaslav ( talk) 01:48, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- the whole thing would be in context if the first time the word ufology occurred it was preceded by "the pseudoscience". Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 19:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
... that's where an alien spaceship disappears up you behind?-- Boris Baran - ✉ 17:41, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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- Aliens (Monsters, and Mythical Creatures
- CE-5 Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind". Sourcebooks, Inc.
- Journal of Scientific Exploration
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Eighth Kind: Human being is under mental control of aliens (e.g. black oil in The X-Files)
Ninth Kind: Deals with cases of CONVERSION - when a human being partially or completely transforms into an alien (e.g. District 9). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.150.231 ( talk) 07:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
- Citations please 59.167.111.154 ( talk) 01:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a kind for invasions as well? At least I would think. Solri89 ( talk) 07:25, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
We need a Close encounters of the Seventh Kind. This is in which the UFO witness is on the UFO, and the military takes it out. I've heard of a case of this nature from C2CAM while I was in the AZ area. A UFO was allegedly shot down over a military base in FL. The govt. got the UFO, aliens and some people abducted by the aliens. Martial Law 03:20, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- I am unable to confirm this, nor deny this either. Martial Law 03:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
- That's sixth kind: Someone (Alien or Human) gets killed. Seventh is about NEW LIFE ! -- 87.3.213.14 18:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Why is this deleted (close encounters of sixth, seventh & eighth kind)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.163.19.99 ( talk) 16:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
- look below (:O) - Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 15:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I've an old paperback book titled "Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind" which recounts various sexual encounters with extraterrestrials. I mention this for two reasons: 1. it's a laff riot, and 2. it points up a problem with this page, namely that none of these expansions of the CE1-3 scale has either authority (which isn't so bad) or citation (which is). Without citation or some other means of weighing the usefulness of proposed labels, this page can only remain a catalog of its drafter's own preferences. True, many Wikipedia pages can also be described that way, but among paranormal-themed pages, it comes across as being more of a serious flaw. Adding citations would do a lot to heighten the NPOV here, or alternately, listing the various proposed expansions without ranking them as "fifth", "eighth", etc. If the field itself is not decided on a terminology, neither should an article about the state of the field, right?
- I agree with your considerations. I've added some comments about subtypes to the third kind proposed by Ted Bloecher. -- ElfQrin 13:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be The entity is observed entering or exiting a UFO. ? Ashanthalas 00:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
http://community.eons.com/groups/group/unexplained-phenomenon---ghosts-and-paranormal
Close Encounters
The following list of close encounters was first developed by Dr. J. Allen Hynek. I've added several others based on my own and the experiences of many others. Hynek proposed CE1 through CE5. It is clear that the others also exist.
CE1: A close encounter of the first kind is a UFO sighting within about 500 feet of the observer or witness.
CE2: A close encounter of the second kind is a UFO sighting that leaves physical evidence such as markings on the ground, burns, frightens animals, or interferes with engines, communications, radios, television reception.
CE3:A close encounter of the third kind includes sighting of alien occupants and perhaps detailed markings on the UFO.
CE4: A close encounter of the fourth kind is one in which the person reports being abducted.
CE5: A close encounter of the fifth kind is one where there is communication between and alien and a human.
CE6: A close encounter of the sixth kind is one in which there is voluntary participation of a human in the alien encounter and may include travel with an alien to a remote location and back.
CE7: A close encounter of the seventh kind is an encounter between a human and an alien but under the direction of the human where the alien participates in a service in a assisting, consulting or helping capacity.
Most if not all CE4s are actually CE6s where the human participant has forgotten their voluntary agreement.
Any agreements or prior arrangements can be cancelled or made void by the intent or a change of mind by the human. Just say no. Often if you decide to cancel an arrangement, your partner will have the opportunity to participate. They will experience a powerful seduction to participate in something new or unusual.
Many close encounters occur in dreamscape where the mind is a bit more accepting of other possibilities.
LOLZ Kmarinas86 04:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
ok i moved the list here until someone can give some citation (:O) - Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 15:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
The ''sixth kind'' and ''seventh kind'' have been introduced by some in the ufology community, but no formal recognition has yet been published.
== Sixth kind ==
The death of a human being or other animal during a witnessed encounter. {{Fact|date=April 2007}} Witnesses reporting UFOs flying above fields where cattle had been mutilated (See [[cattle mutilation]]) would be classified as a sixth-kind encounter. {{Fact|date=April 2007}}
== Seventh kind ==
The creation of a human alien hybrid, either through sexual contact or by scientific means. {{Fact|date=April 2007}} For example, see the case of [[Antonio Villas Boas]]
- the reference is incorrect ... a more specific citation should be given because someone could have just made this up (vandalism) (:O) - Nima Baghaei talk · cont · email 13:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
From [http://www.ufocasebook.com/ UFO Casebook]'s Encounter Classification charts: :H: The alien is either injured, captured, and/or killed by the witness(es) and/or military personnel. The UFO may be captured and/or destroyed by witness(es) and/or military personnel.
What do we call an encounter that occurs in the astral plane? For example, if one becomes aware of a presence but cannot detect it physically, or if one sees a light entirely in the mind's eye and feels a presence associated with it, or if one is visited by E.T.'s during a dream or while in a semi-conscious state while trying to go to sleep. This kind of encounter has happened to me several times. One time, a negative E.T. came through an open window into my bedroom while I was dozing off to sleep. He grabbed onto my mind like a person might grab on to someone's body to attack them. I prayed to Jesus that he would protect me. Finally the entity left. Normally when this happens to me, it is positive entities that come in the form of a light in my mind's eye and I feel a strong presence all around me. Often very weird occurrences are associated with this, like I will look at the clock and it will always be 11 past the hour and/or I will feel dissociated from my body, kind of like an out of body experience.
Relatedly, these close encounters in the "Astral Plane" may also be what happens in the near death experience "NDE." During their NDE, people report feeling dissociated from their body during the moment of clinical death and meeting various relatives, loved ones or religious figures, depending on what their religious beliefs are. Encountering entities "posing" as the divine beings according to one's belief in a particular religion seems highly suspect and manipulative of beings who may be attempting to control the experiencer on "the other side" or astral plane.
This might be a new category of encounter. Has anyone had similar experiences? I imagine it is not too uncommon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smithb32 ( talk • contribs) 05:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- Are you insane? Seriously, no one believes you. I don't think wikipedia has any use for your outrageous, bullshit claims. Also, your mind has an eye? You should get that checked out. -- 98.148.26.113 ( talk) 18:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- I consistently have these phenomena as well, however I would prefer to refer to them as dreams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.108.31 ( talk) 22:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- Pontential correlation in this claim: A condition named night terror. /info/en/?search=Night_terror — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:1A40:978F:5D05:4731:80E5:D62E ( talk) 03:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Is there a reason why no mention is made of the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind? It could be done very simply i.e. by including a small sentence under the CE3 subsection "this type of encounter became well knows as a result of the 1977 film by the same name" or something to that effect. NeverWorker ( Drop me a line) 05:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- I don't understand why there's no reference to the film either - Hynek even appears in it. There should also be a reference to last year's The Fourth Kind which explicitly references the scale. I have added both to the introduction. 68.146.81.123 ( talk) 19:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
The levels of encounter seem to jump from observation, to abduction, to some serious injury or death.
It seems to me that there should be an interim level that involves peaceful physical contact (i.e. non-injurious, like maybe a handshake) that doesn't escalate to abduction or anything of that nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.84.5 ( talk) 01:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
All of this assumes that one alien race is involved. There is no encounter involving interaction between humans and at least two other intelligent species that arrived at Earth by separate means. Their involvement with each other could be hostile, as in some sort of battle, or perhaps a meeting on neutral ground. Also, one alien civilization may have contacted Earth's governments and stationed forces to protect humanity from another race. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.108.31 ( talk) 22:11, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Have you been watching alien vs predetor? J ( talk) 17:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
That would qualify, yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.118.152 ( talk) 22:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
This article is just about Hynek's scale, the article should be renamed as such. IRWolfie- ( talk) 23:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- I just removed all the stuff cited to primary sources. Anyone who can find reliable secondary sources that cover other people's notions of "close encounters" is welcome to fill in the article. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 23:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
I changed "First" to "First kind" which these categories seem to be called. JMK ( talk) 11:58, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
- Kind should be capitalized if the ordinals are.-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 18:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
How can this be a valid citation? Who is S.P.S. Jain and what is the context of the article where he/she lists some categories? Was this just a letter to the newspaper? How is The Times of India Authorative of UFO's? Should perhaps 5th kind and higher be removed from the article as there are no authorities on these numbers? The other reference by Judith Joyce didn't indicate if the categories listed above were her own original work or that of another. At least 4th kind has entered popular culture enough to become the title of a film. Simgrant ( talk) 23:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
This article reminds me of a medieval bestiary, full of detailed descriptions of non-existent animals or badly distorted details about actual animals, but with no logic to it. It also reminds me of Jorge Luis Borges's kinds of categorization, such as "objects that are hard, blue, and no more than 2 centimeters long". (Not his actual example, but a good substitute.) In other words, what is the logic behind "categorizing" a list of all the different kinds of encounters one can think of, to whatever level of detail one cares to go? Are the different kinds different in any essential way? Does any of them actually exist? I agree that classifications don't have to depend on existence, but then there should be some other reason, such as how strong the encounters would be as evidence, and more than minimal detail would be meaningless.
Suppose I'm thinking of classifying encounters with unicorns. I'm sure I could find some writings about that. Would it make substantially more sense than the detailed classifications here?
At least, can we prune the list to the basic one? Hynek wrote a book that became known to many people. What did Bloecher do to rate as notable? Vallee? Just publishing is not notable. Sorry.
I'd just like to see more critical thinking about all these details! Zaslav ( talk) 01:48, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- the whole thing would be in context if the first time the word ufology occurred it was preceded by "the pseudoscience". Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 19:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
... that's where an alien spaceship disappears up you behind?-- Boris Baran - ✉ 17:41, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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The following sources reinserted here are not authoritative WP:RS, they are hopelessly WP:FRINGE and unreliable:
- The Weiser Field Guide to the Paranormal: Abductions, Apparitions, ESP, Synchronicity, and More Unexplained Phenomena from Other Realms
- Aliens (Monsters, and Mythical Creatures
- CE-5 Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind". Sourcebooks, Inc.
- Journal of Scientific Exploration
Per WP:BURDEN and WP:FRINGE, a third-party objective source that is independent of the fringe view (i.e., a WP:FRIND source) is required to include claims regarding alien encounter classifications so they may be appropriately attributed (e.g. "according to X..."). - LuckyLouie ( talk) 02:27, 15 November 2019 (UTC)