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Are all of these names included: Sonny Siebert, Steve Hargan, Sam MacDowell, Rick Sutcliffe; Leon Wagner, etc. -- 65.223.141.108 ( Talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:08, October 29, 2004 (UTC)
'The Impossible Return' is quoted twice on the page, once in the body of the article and once in the trivia referring to the Indians 12-run comback against Seattle in 2001. I am from the Cleveland area and quite an avid follower of the team (and watched the specific game this refers to). I do not recall anyone (newspapers, broadcasters, fans, etc.), during or since refer to this game as 'The Impossible Return'. It seems like something sweet the person added to the article to give it some flavor -- but it should be backed up with fact that it used by an outside source, which is a wikipedia rule. If it cannot be backed-up, it should not be titled as such. If you say: 'The Drive', 'The Fumble', 'The Shot', sports fans know exactly what you are talking about. Say: 'The Impossible Return', you might get a puzzled look at best. BarenakedKevin 16:08, October 26, 2007 (UTC)
Given the fact that baseball is becoming an increasingly more international sport (i.e., more non-U.S. leagues in existence, more non-U.S. players in the MLB), the roster formatting on Wikipedia should probably be updated to reflect that. If you look at the formatting for other international sports (such as soccer), the player nationalities are indicated using flag icons. I think this would be a beneficial update to each of the major league rosters in the MLB, it would not be too difficult to implement and it would not clutter the information on the page. However, before such change a change is implemented, I thought it would be healthy to achieve at least some form of consensus on the talk page for each team. yuristache ( talk) 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
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Should we already be changing the name of this page to the Guardians?? The name change is to take effect with the 2022 season. They are still the Indians for the remainder of the 2021 season. swinquest ( talk) 14:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
They just announced it’s changing the name to the Cleveland Guardians. Chriscrimson ( talk) 17:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
According to my sources the name change from the Cleveland Indians to the Cleveland Guardians will not officially take place until right before the beginning of Spring Training 2022, even though the team names on the jerseys and the inside and outside of Progressive Field and Goodyear Ballpark will be changed in the offseason before Spring Training 2022. Saved by God's grace ( talk) 22:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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Title change: Cleveland INDIANS > Cleveland GUARDIANS with a 'redirect from Cleveland Indians' note. The MLB website is already updated with the new name. The fact that the change happens more formally in the 2022 season does not suggest that the main title of this page should continue with the outdated information until then. Thanks. Cleguard ( talk) 17:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
The section "Regular season home attendance" has two subsections and tables: one for "Jacobs Field" and one for "Progressive Field". Since Jacobs Field and Progressive Field are the same place (just renamed) it makes sense to have a single table ("Jacobs Field / Progressive Field"). Any objections? TJRC ( talk) 20:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Should it be included somewhere in the article, or should it be left out because it's a primary source? Mapsax ( talk) 23:41, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
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Should the Indians wiki be changed to the Guardians? 162.219.93.106 ( talk) 03:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I want to extensively edit the Cleveland Indians Wikipedia page to change it to the Cleveland Guardians. Should I do it after the 2021 season concludes for the Cleveland Indians (since is doesn't look like they are going to make the playoffs), or should I wait until the conclusion of the 2021 MLB season, after the World Series? I would like a consensus on this ( WP:Consensus) on my talk page, please. Saved by God's grace ( talk) 00:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Cleveland Indians → Cleveland Guardians - "Cleveland Guardians" is the new team name that will begin in the 2022 season at home March 31. ChilisMontrose ( talk) 22:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please add the following bullet point to /info/en/?search=Cleveland_Indians#Cleveland_Indians_in_popular_culture
In the TV Series *How I Met Your Mother*, Ted Mosby is a Cleveland-native and avid Cleveland Indians fan. During the Season 2 Episode *Where Were We?* Ted attends and Indians-Yankees game to root on the Tribe.
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/info/en/?search=Ted_Mosby 73.74.145.207 ( talk) 04:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
The issues involving their "rebranding" and the name conflict with the roller derby team appear to be resolved (looks like a settlement has been reached).
Will have to see if the name change takes effect at some point soon (merchandise, website, etc...) Canuck89 (Speak with me) 20:13, November 16, 2021 (UTC)
Per Zach Meisel, the name change will take effect this coming Friday at 9:00 EST. Because the page is semi-protected, there's no risk that a random editor jumps the gun and moves it early, unless the protection is lifted before that time. O.N.R. (talk) 21:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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Indians=Guardians 2600:1702:1961:250:CB3:7589:B232:3BBF ( talk) 01:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
According to this page:
(@ https://www.mlb.com/news/cleveland-guardians-team-name-history)
this is the Guardians’ early name history:
“There are records of a Cleveland baseball team that date back as far as 1869, referring to the club as the Forest Citys or Blue Stockings. It wasn’t until 1889 that the team became the Spiders -- a name that’s had a resurgence of popularity among the fan base today -- for a 10-year span. In 1897, the Spiders signed Louis Sockalexis, who became the first Native American in professional baseball. On March 10 of that year, it was written in The Plain Dealer newspaper that Sockalexis was said to be “a fine outfielder and a wonderful batter.” That season, he hit .338 with an .845 OPS in 66 games. But Sockalexis battled alcoholism, and his addiction led to his dismissal from the team in 1899. When referencing the Spiders, the club is often associated with that disastrous 1899 season, during which the team finished 20-134, according to Baseball-Reference. Owner Frank Robison bought the St. Louis Browns and thought a good team there would draw better, according to Baseball Almanac, and shortly before the start of the season, he transferred all of Cleveland's best players to that team, which he renamed the Perfectos.
In that tough 1899 season, Sockalexis played in only seven games before his dismissal. The Spiders had not always been that bad and had played in the 1895 and 1896 Temple Cups (the precursor to the World Series), winning it in '95. By the end of the year, however, the Spiders were dropped from the National League, and Cleveland was without a baseball team. Two years later, the current Cleveland franchise was born, but it had yet to determine a regular nickname. The Plain Dealer had referred to the team as the Babes, Spiders, Buckeyes and Clevelands at different points throughout the 1901 season. It wasn’t until 1902 when the Cleveland Press -- the Plain Dealer’s competitor -- named the team the Bronchos. The Bronchos nickname lasted only one season before the Cleveland Press opened up a fan poll to vote on the Cleveland baseball team’s new moniker. The fans overwhelmingly voted for the Naps in honor of the team’s star player, Nap Lajoie. Buckeyes placed second, Emperors received the third-most votes and names such as the Metropolitans, Giants, Cyclops, Gladiators, Imperials, Armour Clads and Red Devils were also in the running. Lajoie had a tremendous 13-year career in Cleveland, hitting .339 with an .840 OPS, 919 RBIs and 424 doubles, but when he left for Philadelphia in 1915, the club was left in the predicament of needing to come up with a new name immediately. While the tale often has been told that because Sockalexis died in 1913, the team was named the Indians in his honor, but that is unlikely. His years with the Spiders coincided with the club’s decline, and his departure from the team was not the most positive. His stardom in Cleveland was not the same as Lajoie’s, which made it less likely that the team would’ve been named after him.
There are old newspaper records that show that the baseball writers were left to vote on a name and had decided on Indians. In 1914, the Boston Braves had won the World Series, which could leave some to wonder if the name for Cleveland -- the last-place team that season -- was inspired by one that experienced great success. Either way, records have indicated that the Indians name was not intended to be a long-term choice. But after undergoing a handful of different team names over the previous 15 years (and after the team won the World Series in 1920), the moniker ended up sticking for the next 105 years.”
So, in summary, they’ve been named:
(1869-88) Forest Citys/Blue Stockings
(1889-99) Spiders - NL
(1902) Bronchos
(1903-14) Naps - AL
(1915-2022) Indians
(2023-Present) Guardians Mswanson1 ( talk) 01:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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Are all of these names included: Sonny Siebert, Steve Hargan, Sam MacDowell, Rick Sutcliffe; Leon Wagner, etc. -- 65.223.141.108 ( Talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:08, October 29, 2004 (UTC)
'The Impossible Return' is quoted twice on the page, once in the body of the article and once in the trivia referring to the Indians 12-run comback against Seattle in 2001. I am from the Cleveland area and quite an avid follower of the team (and watched the specific game this refers to). I do not recall anyone (newspapers, broadcasters, fans, etc.), during or since refer to this game as 'The Impossible Return'. It seems like something sweet the person added to the article to give it some flavor -- but it should be backed up with fact that it used by an outside source, which is a wikipedia rule. If it cannot be backed-up, it should not be titled as such. If you say: 'The Drive', 'The Fumble', 'The Shot', sports fans know exactly what you are talking about. Say: 'The Impossible Return', you might get a puzzled look at best. BarenakedKevin 16:08, October 26, 2007 (UTC)
Given the fact that baseball is becoming an increasingly more international sport (i.e., more non-U.S. leagues in existence, more non-U.S. players in the MLB), the roster formatting on Wikipedia should probably be updated to reflect that. If you look at the formatting for other international sports (such as soccer), the player nationalities are indicated using flag icons. I think this would be a beneficial update to each of the major league rosters in the MLB, it would not be too difficult to implement and it would not clutter the information on the page. However, before such change a change is implemented, I thought it would be healthy to achieve at least some form of consensus on the talk page for each team. yuristache ( talk) 01:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
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Should we already be changing the name of this page to the Guardians?? The name change is to take effect with the 2022 season. They are still the Indians for the remainder of the 2021 season. swinquest ( talk) 14:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
They just announced it’s changing the name to the Cleveland Guardians. Chriscrimson ( talk) 17:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
According to my sources the name change from the Cleveland Indians to the Cleveland Guardians will not officially take place until right before the beginning of Spring Training 2022, even though the team names on the jerseys and the inside and outside of Progressive Field and Goodyear Ballpark will be changed in the offseason before Spring Training 2022. Saved by God's grace ( talk) 22:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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Title change: Cleveland INDIANS > Cleveland GUARDIANS with a 'redirect from Cleveland Indians' note. The MLB website is already updated with the new name. The fact that the change happens more formally in the 2022 season does not suggest that the main title of this page should continue with the outdated information until then. Thanks. Cleguard ( talk) 17:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
The section "Regular season home attendance" has two subsections and tables: one for "Jacobs Field" and one for "Progressive Field". Since Jacobs Field and Progressive Field are the same place (just renamed) it makes sense to have a single table ("Jacobs Field / Progressive Field"). Any objections? TJRC ( talk) 20:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Should it be included somewhere in the article, or should it be left out because it's a primary source? Mapsax ( talk) 23:41, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
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Should the Indians wiki be changed to the Guardians? 162.219.93.106 ( talk) 03:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I want to extensively edit the Cleveland Indians Wikipedia page to change it to the Cleveland Guardians. Should I do it after the 2021 season concludes for the Cleveland Indians (since is doesn't look like they are going to make the playoffs), or should I wait until the conclusion of the 2021 MLB season, after the World Series? I would like a consensus on this ( WP:Consensus) on my talk page, please. Saved by God's grace ( talk) 00:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Cleveland Indians → Cleveland Guardians - "Cleveland Guardians" is the new team name that will begin in the 2022 season at home March 31. ChilisMontrose ( talk) 22:49, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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edit request to
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Please add the following bullet point to /info/en/?search=Cleveland_Indians#Cleveland_Indians_in_popular_culture
In the TV Series *How I Met Your Mother*, Ted Mosby is a Cleveland-native and avid Cleveland Indians fan. During the Season 2 Episode *Where Were We?* Ted attends and Indians-Yankees game to root on the Tribe.
Sources:
/info/en/?search=Where_Were_We%3F_(How_I_Met_Your_Mother)
/info/en/?search=Ted_Mosby 73.74.145.207 ( talk) 04:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
The issues involving their "rebranding" and the name conflict with the roller derby team appear to be resolved (looks like a settlement has been reached).
Will have to see if the name change takes effect at some point soon (merchandise, website, etc...) Canuck89 (Speak with me) 20:13, November 16, 2021 (UTC)
Per Zach Meisel, the name change will take effect this coming Friday at 9:00 EST. Because the page is semi-protected, there's no risk that a random editor jumps the gun and moves it early, unless the protection is lifted before that time. O.N.R. (talk) 21:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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Indians=Guardians 2600:1702:1961:250:CB3:7589:B232:3BBF ( talk) 01:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
According to this page:
(@ https://www.mlb.com/news/cleveland-guardians-team-name-history)
this is the Guardians’ early name history:
“There are records of a Cleveland baseball team that date back as far as 1869, referring to the club as the Forest Citys or Blue Stockings. It wasn’t until 1889 that the team became the Spiders -- a name that’s had a resurgence of popularity among the fan base today -- for a 10-year span. In 1897, the Spiders signed Louis Sockalexis, who became the first Native American in professional baseball. On March 10 of that year, it was written in The Plain Dealer newspaper that Sockalexis was said to be “a fine outfielder and a wonderful batter.” That season, he hit .338 with an .845 OPS in 66 games. But Sockalexis battled alcoholism, and his addiction led to his dismissal from the team in 1899. When referencing the Spiders, the club is often associated with that disastrous 1899 season, during which the team finished 20-134, according to Baseball-Reference. Owner Frank Robison bought the St. Louis Browns and thought a good team there would draw better, according to Baseball Almanac, and shortly before the start of the season, he transferred all of Cleveland's best players to that team, which he renamed the Perfectos.
In that tough 1899 season, Sockalexis played in only seven games before his dismissal. The Spiders had not always been that bad and had played in the 1895 and 1896 Temple Cups (the precursor to the World Series), winning it in '95. By the end of the year, however, the Spiders were dropped from the National League, and Cleveland was without a baseball team. Two years later, the current Cleveland franchise was born, but it had yet to determine a regular nickname. The Plain Dealer had referred to the team as the Babes, Spiders, Buckeyes and Clevelands at different points throughout the 1901 season. It wasn’t until 1902 when the Cleveland Press -- the Plain Dealer’s competitor -- named the team the Bronchos. The Bronchos nickname lasted only one season before the Cleveland Press opened up a fan poll to vote on the Cleveland baseball team’s new moniker. The fans overwhelmingly voted for the Naps in honor of the team’s star player, Nap Lajoie. Buckeyes placed second, Emperors received the third-most votes and names such as the Metropolitans, Giants, Cyclops, Gladiators, Imperials, Armour Clads and Red Devils were also in the running. Lajoie had a tremendous 13-year career in Cleveland, hitting .339 with an .840 OPS, 919 RBIs and 424 doubles, but when he left for Philadelphia in 1915, the club was left in the predicament of needing to come up with a new name immediately. While the tale often has been told that because Sockalexis died in 1913, the team was named the Indians in his honor, but that is unlikely. His years with the Spiders coincided with the club’s decline, and his departure from the team was not the most positive. His stardom in Cleveland was not the same as Lajoie’s, which made it less likely that the team would’ve been named after him.
There are old newspaper records that show that the baseball writers were left to vote on a name and had decided on Indians. In 1914, the Boston Braves had won the World Series, which could leave some to wonder if the name for Cleveland -- the last-place team that season -- was inspired by one that experienced great success. Either way, records have indicated that the Indians name was not intended to be a long-term choice. But after undergoing a handful of different team names over the previous 15 years (and after the team won the World Series in 1920), the moniker ended up sticking for the next 105 years.”
So, in summary, they’ve been named:
(1869-88) Forest Citys/Blue Stockings
(1889-99) Spiders - NL
(1902) Bronchos
(1903-14) Naps - AL
(1915-2022) Indians
(2023-Present) Guardians Mswanson1 ( talk) 01:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)