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The Reds from 1876 to 1879, were not the team kicked out of the National League due to the sale of beer in their ballpark and the rental of their ballpark. It was a team called the Cincinnati Stars. During the 1880 season, there was no Reds club, they disbanded after the 1879 season and were replaced by a new team called the Stars. The Stars were owned by Justus Thorner. SCSRdotorg ( talk) 16:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
This entry starts with the second section saying "After the expulsion," but I do not see any "expulsion" refered to in the article. Is there a way to clarify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.32.125.254 ( talk • contribs) 13 July 2006
Just to give you heads-up, the second incarnation of the Reds were not kicked out of the NL for playing Sunday games. It was the rental of the park to other baseball teams on Sundays. Cincinnati never had Sunday baseball on a major league level until 1884. SCSRdotorg ( talk) 16:54, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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Indrian, I'm very flexible on content on here, but obvious grammar improvements were reverted unnecessarily. We could break it down line-by-line, if needed, to see where we can find common ground, but I'm not sure why you insist on retaining statements like, "Both were important activities to entice the city's large German population". Entice them to do what? There there's:
On October 6, 1880, however, seven of the eight team owners pledged at a special league meeting to formally ban both beer and Sunday baseball at the regular league meeting that December. Only Cincinnati president W. H. Kennett refused to sign the pledge, so the other owners formally expelled Cincinnati from the league for violating a rule that would not actually go into effect for two more months.
That excerpt struggles mightily from a grammatical standpoint. I fail to see how you'd prefer that over:
A special league convention was held on October 6, 1880, to formally ban both beer and Sunday baseball. At a regular meeting the following December, seven of the eight team owners agreed to the new terms. Only Cincinnati president W. H. Kennett refused to sign the pledge, resulting in the expulsion of Cincinnati from the National League.
Not only does the proposed change avoid the repeated use of "pledge", but it also breaks up the long-winded, poorly structured "...at a special league meeting to formally ban both beer and Sunday baseball at the regular league meeting that December". There was a convention in October, then a regular meeting in December, and the way these two points are crammed into once sentence doesn't work. I also chose to remove "for violating a rule that would not actually go into effect for two more months". It's clunky, unnecessary, and really needs a source that I was unable to locate.
Speaking of sources, this entire section is severely lacking them, and that was the next step I was going to pursue for this article. Do you want my help or not? If you do, then it doesn't seem like we're getting off on the right foot here. If you don't, then I expect you'll do the work in adding inline citations and finding a good compromise between the History section in this article and the dedicated article, History of the Cincinnati Reds. In terms of length, this article's History section should serve as more of a summary of the dedicated article. There's too much overlap at the moment, and I suspect that when this section forked over to the secondary history article, what remained was a shell of what's there now. Drive-by editors probably ignore the fact that there's a separate article covering the history, and continued expanding this section unnecessarily. My goal was to clean this one up first, then compare content between the two. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 17:59, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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The Reds from 1876 to 1879, were not the team kicked out of the National League due to the sale of beer in their ballpark and the rental of their ballpark. It was a team called the Cincinnati Stars. During the 1880 season, there was no Reds club, they disbanded after the 1879 season and were replaced by a new team called the Stars. The Stars were owned by Justus Thorner. SCSRdotorg ( talk) 16:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
This entry starts with the second section saying "After the expulsion," but I do not see any "expulsion" refered to in the article. Is there a way to clarify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.32.125.254 ( talk • contribs) 13 July 2006
Just to give you heads-up, the second incarnation of the Reds were not kicked out of the NL for playing Sunday games. It was the rental of the park to other baseball teams on Sundays. Cincinnati never had Sunday baseball on a major league level until 1884. SCSRdotorg ( talk) 16:54, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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Indrian, I'm very flexible on content on here, but obvious grammar improvements were reverted unnecessarily. We could break it down line-by-line, if needed, to see where we can find common ground, but I'm not sure why you insist on retaining statements like, "Both were important activities to entice the city's large German population". Entice them to do what? There there's:
On October 6, 1880, however, seven of the eight team owners pledged at a special league meeting to formally ban both beer and Sunday baseball at the regular league meeting that December. Only Cincinnati president W. H. Kennett refused to sign the pledge, so the other owners formally expelled Cincinnati from the league for violating a rule that would not actually go into effect for two more months.
That excerpt struggles mightily from a grammatical standpoint. I fail to see how you'd prefer that over:
A special league convention was held on October 6, 1880, to formally ban both beer and Sunday baseball. At a regular meeting the following December, seven of the eight team owners agreed to the new terms. Only Cincinnati president W. H. Kennett refused to sign the pledge, resulting in the expulsion of Cincinnati from the National League.
Not only does the proposed change avoid the repeated use of "pledge", but it also breaks up the long-winded, poorly structured "...at a special league meeting to formally ban both beer and Sunday baseball at the regular league meeting that December". There was a convention in October, then a regular meeting in December, and the way these two points are crammed into once sentence doesn't work. I also chose to remove "for violating a rule that would not actually go into effect for two more months". It's clunky, unnecessary, and really needs a source that I was unable to locate.
Speaking of sources, this entire section is severely lacking them, and that was the next step I was going to pursue for this article. Do you want my help or not? If you do, then it doesn't seem like we're getting off on the right foot here. If you don't, then I expect you'll do the work in adding inline citations and finding a good compromise between the History section in this article and the dedicated article, History of the Cincinnati Reds. In terms of length, this article's History section should serve as more of a summary of the dedicated article. There's too much overlap at the moment, and I suspect that when this section forked over to the secondary history article, what remained was a shell of what's there now. Drive-by editors probably ignore the fact that there's a separate article covering the history, and continued expanding this section unnecessarily. My goal was to clean this one up first, then compare content between the two. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 17:59, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
you really are an unpleasant person aren't you?"