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On a complete different note, is anything known about the people of Cilicia? In particular, who they were, what their language was like, and so forth? I would guess that it was Indo-European, but is anything beyond that known of it? john k 7 July 2005 21:09 (UTC)
Also, it's pitiful that our source on whether Hittite ruins have been found there was published in 1909. john k 7 July 2005 21:10 (UTC)
Is it not more reasonable to use Thebe instead of Thebes to reduce confusion? What do you think?-- 64.26.116.202 23:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
--Never heard of a thebe, but Thebes is a well known name, sorry--redefining place names is a perilous trade! <g> // Fra nkB 19:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
In the 1950s, the Biblical scholar G.A. Wainwright wrote two articles: "Caphtor-Cappadocia", Vetus Testamentum, vol. 6, pp.199-210 (1956) & "Some Early Philistine History", Vetus Testamentus, vol. 9, pp.73-84 (1959), in which he argued "that Caphtor, the well-known homeland of the Philistines, was in Cilicia Tracheia." In his second article, he went on to argue that Philistines did not originate in Cilicia, but were Illyrians, and he associates them with the Trojan war. 71.178.242.140 ( talk) 00:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
More recently, I think we're back to calling "Caphtor" Crete. In an article I'm reading right now by Jorrit Kelder, and as has been published numerous places (I think even Arthur Evens identified Caphtor with Crete), the idea is that the list of regions and cities written on the base of a statue of Amenhotep III in Hom el-Hetan, the "Aegean List", are in the same region. And for instance, you wouldn't expect on a holiday in Italy to go from Genoa, to Milan, To Florence, to Mexico City, to Rome, to Naples.
170.173.0.16 ( talk) 03:02, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Image:Armenianmediterian.gif is really a historic kingdoms map, and needs adapted at least, showing the region better. // Fra nkB 19:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I am improving Çukurova article, and I see that we are repeating the history in both articles. Can you remove Ottoman Period and Turkish republic part of the history of Cilicia and make link to Çukurova to read the history after Armenian Kingdom. In Çukurova article, I will refer to Cilicia article for the history of Armenian Kingdom and before -- Seyhan668 ( talk) 00:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- My thought is rather, if you are positively sure about the exact duplication of material, that you put it into a text template and put it into both articles. This way, no forking will be necessary and both readers will have the pleasure of reading the info without branching out of the article.
- A second way, which I don't like, is force the readers of both articles out by linking.
- In neither of my cases, I admit, would readers automatically understand that the history is shared unless it is explicit in the text. Is that important in itself? Student7 ( talk) 12:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the need for additional footnoting as expressed by Adoniscik who added the more footnotes template on 11 October 2008. Since that time twelve more footnotes have been added. Now we need to focus on where substantiation is needed by specifically requesting that certain data be verifiably sourced. I have removed the more footnotes template, and hope that editors will target what they think needs work. The template {{ Citation needed}} (also known by the redirects {{ Cn}} and {{ Fact}}) is excellent for that purpose. Knotty problems can be addressed on this page. -- Bejnar ( talk) 04:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Missing: a transliteration of Կիլիկիա ! — Tamfang ( talk) 00:23, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Cilicia is not an ancient a name; the region was officially called Cilicia until 1922, then after Cilicia name continued to be used internationally. In the last 20 years, Cilicia name is being more accepted in Turkey; many hotels, restaurants are naming themselves Cilicia nowadays. Çukurova is the plain of Adana, so it is a loose definition for the region. Cilicia is still the only name to define the region. I suggest to convert Cilicia article to a geographical region article, from ancient region article. I can move many parts of Çukurova article, including recent history. Seyhan668 ( talk) 05:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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On a complete different note, is anything known about the people of Cilicia? In particular, who they were, what their language was like, and so forth? I would guess that it was Indo-European, but is anything beyond that known of it? john k 7 July 2005 21:09 (UTC)
Also, it's pitiful that our source on whether Hittite ruins have been found there was published in 1909. john k 7 July 2005 21:10 (UTC)
Is it not more reasonable to use Thebe instead of Thebes to reduce confusion? What do you think?-- 64.26.116.202 23:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
--Never heard of a thebe, but Thebes is a well known name, sorry--redefining place names is a perilous trade! <g> // Fra nkB 19:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
In the 1950s, the Biblical scholar G.A. Wainwright wrote two articles: "Caphtor-Cappadocia", Vetus Testamentum, vol. 6, pp.199-210 (1956) & "Some Early Philistine History", Vetus Testamentus, vol. 9, pp.73-84 (1959), in which he argued "that Caphtor, the well-known homeland of the Philistines, was in Cilicia Tracheia." In his second article, he went on to argue that Philistines did not originate in Cilicia, but were Illyrians, and he associates them with the Trojan war. 71.178.242.140 ( talk) 00:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
More recently, I think we're back to calling "Caphtor" Crete. In an article I'm reading right now by Jorrit Kelder, and as has been published numerous places (I think even Arthur Evens identified Caphtor with Crete), the idea is that the list of regions and cities written on the base of a statue of Amenhotep III in Hom el-Hetan, the "Aegean List", are in the same region. And for instance, you wouldn't expect on a holiday in Italy to go from Genoa, to Milan, To Florence, to Mexico City, to Rome, to Naples.
170.173.0.16 ( talk) 03:02, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Image:Armenianmediterian.gif is really a historic kingdoms map, and needs adapted at least, showing the region better. // Fra nkB 19:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I am improving Çukurova article, and I see that we are repeating the history in both articles. Can you remove Ottoman Period and Turkish republic part of the history of Cilicia and make link to Çukurova to read the history after Armenian Kingdom. In Çukurova article, I will refer to Cilicia article for the history of Armenian Kingdom and before -- Seyhan668 ( talk) 00:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
- My thought is rather, if you are positively sure about the exact duplication of material, that you put it into a text template and put it into both articles. This way, no forking will be necessary and both readers will have the pleasure of reading the info without branching out of the article.
- A second way, which I don't like, is force the readers of both articles out by linking.
- In neither of my cases, I admit, would readers automatically understand that the history is shared unless it is explicit in the text. Is that important in itself? Student7 ( talk) 12:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the need for additional footnoting as expressed by Adoniscik who added the more footnotes template on 11 October 2008. Since that time twelve more footnotes have been added. Now we need to focus on where substantiation is needed by specifically requesting that certain data be verifiably sourced. I have removed the more footnotes template, and hope that editors will target what they think needs work. The template {{ Citation needed}} (also known by the redirects {{ Cn}} and {{ Fact}}) is excellent for that purpose. Knotty problems can be addressed on this page. -- Bejnar ( talk) 04:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Missing: a transliteration of Կիլիկիա ! — Tamfang ( talk) 00:23, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Cilicia is not an ancient a name; the region was officially called Cilicia until 1922, then after Cilicia name continued to be used internationally. In the last 20 years, Cilicia name is being more accepted in Turkey; many hotels, restaurants are naming themselves Cilicia nowadays. Çukurova is the plain of Adana, so it is a loose definition for the region. Cilicia is still the only name to define the region. I suggest to convert Cilicia article to a geographical region article, from ancient region article. I can move many parts of Çukurova article, including recent history. Seyhan668 ( talk) 05:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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