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The 'World Energy Outlook for 2004' is published by the OECD's International Energy Agency.
It looks from the report that Sino-American good relations should include energy. While nowhere near America's demand for energy, China's consumption is exploding. One concern is the need for security of trade in the sea-lanes of the world. Perhaps more importantly though, both China and America should be worried about trade in energy with Russia. The Russian Federation is a major supplier of energy: the Energy Charter Treaty has been plugging away in vain for years to get the Federation to agree a safe transit discipline - largely for the assurance of investors. However recent developments there concerning the treatment of oil and gas as assets that should be sold strategically, and with Yukos, put further question marks on investing there. No doubt these problems will be solved soon. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 81.79.90.7 ( talk 鈥 contribs) 14:39, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
How has it created a common enemy? As far as I know Taliban had a presence in the Xinjiang seccessionist movement, but it's a nuisance to say the most and definitely not a threat. I think whoever wrote that played too much C&C Generals...聽:) - Hmib 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This entry really seems to be written by someone more interested in running cover for the People's Republic than in telling a balanced story.
For example, there is no mention at all of the inconvenient Korean War, started with PRC complicity and waged cruely and unnecessarily for two years after lines became stabilized. Scott Adler 06:53, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
It seem to me you feel like everything that is not "PRC bashing" is "PRC Propaganda", is it not possible to have some positive attitudes toward the issue that you require every article to describe PRC as a horrible entity? You must think I work for the communist government or something, don't forget your tinfoil hat. Yongke 23:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
(Yes, this is a play on the section above.) I don't think there is anything too outwardly biased about the article, but it does seem to be written almost entirely from an American perspective in that it discusses only or mainly the American side of issues. For example, in the discussion on trade, it talks about the trade "deficit" (which is only a deficit on the American side), and does not examine the issue from the Chinese perspective, i.e. the reasons for the trade surplus, and answering questions like why should they, or don't they, invest more into US trade? 24.6.99.30 22:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Why is it that on the design of the map in this article, the flags are above their opposite countries, and the labels on the bottom are directly underneath these flags, but not underneath their corresponding countries on the map? Why isn't the American flag on the left side, with the Yellow "United States" label on the left as well, and the Chinese flag and label on the right side? Is it because of the Sino-American name? If so, I think that it would be better to have the flags and labels on their correct sides, despite the the order they come in the name. It would be easier to understand. BirdValiant 01:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Where is Hawaii? Hcobb ( talk) 20:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I made a number of changes to the article for the following reasons:
Please let me know if you have any comments. BlizzardGhost 00:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is generally upbeat about Sino-American relations, but there have been many speculations over the possibiliy of future conflicts fuelled by America's and China's competing demand for oil, and China's friendship with Iran. See this article, for example: [1], and all these books. I am not competent to write anything about this, but it seems someone with some expertise should write something. The Singing Badger 23:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
POV? I think the title of this article is either POV or at least inaccurately vague, as there are two " Chinas," and this one arbitrarily chooses the People's Republic of China. The relations with the Republic of China (or lack thereof, or unofficial via the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office) have just as much a right to be under the name "Sino-American relations." Thoughts? - Justin (koavf)路 T路 C路 M 22:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
The notion that there are two Chinas is a common misconception. In fact, the PRC is sovereign and the ROC is not. This is because there are no international legal documents which show that the territorial sovereignty of "Formosa and the Pescadores" has ever been transferred to the ROC. In the truth of the matter, the ROC is a government in exile. See http://www.taiwankey.net/dc/rocexile.htm and there is no legal basis to consider native Taiwanese persons as ROC citizens, see http://www.taiwankey.net/dc/rcitizen6.htm Hmortar 23:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Why do all the issues in these relations listed here only concern China itself? China obviously has many issues concerning the US as well. Also, should we rank the issues in order of importance? e.g. Taiwan is the #1 issue/concern today. Jsw663 04:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Is the Chinese translation of "Sino-American translations" in the lead really necessary? I'm an avowed proponent of multilingualism and the use of original-language sources, but at the same time the case can be made the original-language terms should only be used in an article title for proper nouns/place/personal names. -- Dpr 15:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC) stop posting meaning less words!
Apparently, somebody decided to move the Sino-American relations here, found out that they're actually different things, and simply decided to delete half the article. Well, here's the problem. The original article was about Sino-American relations, meaning the relations between China and America as a whole, i.e. any government which was in power in China. That creates a little problem, of course: the PRC was formed at 1949, so does that mean everything else before 1949 is to be deleted? If it was deleted, how would the reader comprehend the article? Or, if it was not deleted, then how much would be included, and how much would be left to other articles like Sino-American relations before 1949 and ROC-American relations? These are pretty hard questions to solve, and I could not quite understand how a person could be so absurdly short sighted as to make the move.
But those issues are only trivial compared to what the article is facing now. I'll put it frank - this article makes no sense. Read from 2.1 to 2.4 - For two and a half sub-sections it talked about matters with no relevancy to the article at all, then all of a sudden this Communist Party led by Mao came out and created the People's Republic of China, which just happened to be the topic of this article. So very sad. And then there's this lovely little sub-section, title "People's Republic of China," cleverly summing up 30 years of relations between the PRC and the US in two sentences:
"For 30 years after its founding, the United States did not formally recognize the People's Republic of China (PRC). Instead, it maintained diplomatic relations with the Republic of China government on Taiwan, and recognized the ROC as the sole legitimate government of all China."
So it would only be logical, if logic has any value in this article, that the next sub-section would be titled "United States" and how for 30 years nobody in PRC cared about her. Right? Wrong. It's "Korean War." And the next two? "Relations frozen" and, all of a sudden, "Reapproachment." Damn, I know something's missing. Aran| heru| nar 09:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I have recommended that the tediously titled article Potential military conflict between the United States and China be merged here. It鈥檚 a very weak article that barely survived RfD, and has basically been ignored in the intervening year by those who insisted it was a hot topic. It mostly talks about the Vietnam War, and until four months after I mentioned it, totally ignored the Korean War (which actually saw the highest prospect for a real "hot war"); furthermore, other than citing Jeffrey Record (and listing references he mentions), it offers tremendously little info on modern "prospects". It also has no mention of past actual American conflicts with China that might provide some useful historical context. I believe the editors here could make something useful out of this haphazard work which doesn鈥檛 seem able to stand on its own at this time. Askari Mark (Talk) 01:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 02:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the edit by Pauly04... I'm not a wiki editor, but that really doesn't look right. 鈥擯receding
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The Chinese Exclusion Act was a United States federal law passed on May 6, 1882, following revisions made in 1880 to the Burlingame Treaty of 1868. Those revisions allowed the U.S. to suspend immigration, and Congress subsequently acted quickly to implement the suspension of Chinese immigration, a ban that lasted well over 60 years. BillyTFried ( talk) 09:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
As well as the unequal treaty, the Boxer Protocol China was forced to sign in 1901. This event had a lasting effect on Chinese relations with the members of the Eight-Nation Alliance, including the United States. Seems like a pretty big detail to have skipped over to me. BillyTFried ( talk) 19:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Is Chongqing not the largest city in China? I was told this was the case on my recent visit there, and the page here seems to imply that, but I'm wondering if there's a reason for it not to be considered the largest or something (too big of a metro, that sort of thing). Baseballbaker23 ( talk) 07:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Chongqing isn't a city per se. It's a provincial-level administrative region with the same name as its central city. Strictly as a city, Shanghai is more populous Xsterx ( talk) 22:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was} move.
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People's Republic of China 鈥 United States relations 鈫
Sino-American relations 鈥
Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations#Bilateral relations 鈥
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.Is there a logic behind the ordering of the ethnicities in the Chinese column? " Tibetan" isn't a significant minority in China in terms of population. I will make a modification to list the most few populous minorities in China. Please alert me if this isn't the proper protocol. I am new to this Xsterx ( talk) 22:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
This article has pro Chinese claims throughout. Some have been flagged since 2008. For instance the article says that human rights issues are improved in China. Yet in the Beijing Olympics, student from my university traveled abroad to see the Olympics as a part of a 4 credit course. They said that brand new walls were built throughout the city which hid the endless shanty towns and slums that would otherwise dominate the televised street race events. So China believes that human rights progress is made by being ashamed of it's citizens and hiding them? How about when they didn't let one girl sing their national anthem because she wasn't attractive enough. I would love to see that claim cited by any reputable source that China has made great improvements to human rights. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 71.230.133.111 ( talk 鈥 contribs) 2009-08-09T21:55:18
We people are kinda upset indeed about the gov't doing all this decorative works instead of some real improvements to our living standard, but what I don't quite understand is, what does it have to do with human rights? For the girl & the anthem, citation please. Blodance ( talk) 07:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Basically the US Navy routinely perform flights or patrols in the South China Sea region. This has caused the fatal Hainan Incident and other cases of near-contact-incidents (ie USNS Impeccable).
On one side, the US claims that it is operating within international waters/airspace and in accordance with international laws, and described the Chinese actions as "harassment" and "aggressive". On the other side, PRC views that the US, deploying its warships half way across the world to conduct surveillance of its shorelines as "illegal" and have been perceived negatively by PRC citizen.
I think the surveillance issue has caused quite a bit of heat in the recent China-US relations and is worthy to be mentioned.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20000526b1.html "Chinese spy ship traverses Tsugaru Strait" Hcobb ( talk) 21:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone recently inserted an assertion that China entered the Korean War after MacAuthur threated to nuke China. I believe I've heard that MacAuthur wanted to use nukes during the war, and that he wanted to cross the river into China, but I don't know about the timing nor was a source provided, nor was I able to find a source. Does anyone know the details of this and where a source might be found? If this was one of the reasons for China entering the war it deserves mention. Readin ( talk) 15:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
鈥淚s There a Civil-Military Gap in China鈥檚 Peaceful Rise?鈥 by Andrew Scobell http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/09summer/contents.htm
I'm looking at the best place to add this in.
Perhaps by renaming the "Chinese military spending" section? Hcobb ( talk) 15:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone got the map colours and the legend wrong?? That's pretty epic 67.204.53.11 ( talk) 01:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Why is china's flag smaller than the us'flag聽?? -- Zhonghuo ( talk) 00:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
That's just the way both flags are proportioned. the Chinese flag is 2:3, and the US flag is 10:19. That means the US flag is, in real life, longer than the Chinese flag when given the same width. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 15:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
User:SilkTork has decreed that the following information should be considered for inclusion, not necessarily all of it, but at least some of it.
U.S. President Barack Obama's first visit to the People's Republic of China began on November 15, 2009 as part of a 4-day trip from November 15 to 18. It is part of a 9-day tour to Asian countries which includes Japan, Singapore, China and South Korea. Chinese president Hu Jintao and US President Obama is scheduled to discuss bilateral ties and major international and regional issues of common concern. Prior to the trip, Obama billed himself as America's first "Pacific president".
President Obama arrived in Shanghai late in the evening coming from Singapore after the 2009 APEC conference.
On November 16, President Obama's arrival in Shanghai and Beijing faced questions that has vexed US presidents since Richard Nixon's 1972 visit. He began his day arriving at Shanghai to meet mayor Han Zheng. He held an open town hall meeting with 400 students from 8 universities at the Shanghai Science and Technology Museum. In the meeting Obama called himself a "a big supporter of non- censorship." His talk with students was not broadcasted to the national CCTV. The session was live and shown locally on Shanghai Phoenix TV. The sina.com site ran a story under the headline: "Obama: The Internet is a tool for becoming stronger and citizens can participate." The link then became unreachable with the message, "Cannot find the page." NetEase's web frontpage also carried Obama's answers for 27 minutes before being deleted by censors. The students who posed questions were pre-selected, and most appeared to be members of the Chinese Communist Party Youth League. The Obama administration also supports the One China policy on the Cross-strait relations. Barack Obama's brother Mark Ndesandjo flew to Beijing from his residence place Shenzhen for a 5 minute meeting. In Beijing, Barack Obama then attended a state dinner with President Hu Jintao.
Obama is expected to raise the issue of the Renminbi in his talks with Hu Jintao. Due to the levels of US debt to China, it is however arguable that Barack Obama has limited negotiating power, where the economic recovery of the United States is reliant on Chinese holding of US debt; each year the United States pays US$56 billion in interest to China on its US$860 billion debt. China spoke against US protectionism, while US denies it.
Obama stated that the U.S. Government recognizes Tibet as part of the People's Republic of China, but hopes that dialogue will resume between the Chinese government and the Dalai Lama soon. Wu Bangguo, chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress also met Obama at the Great Hall of the People. The Forbidden City was closed for Obama, Chang'an Avenue was half-closed.
In the morning Obama accepted an interview with the more liberal Southern Weekly at the Beijing St Regis hotel (鍥介檯淇变箰閮ㄩキ搴). A Southern Weekly editorial staff member said the questions were sent to the Foreign Ministry top censorship department for screening before the interview. After the meeting Obama met with Premier Wen Jiabao and toured the Great Wall of China before flying to South Korea, the last leg of his Asia trip.
The state visit was closely followed by journalists and political commentators. The Boston Globe criticised Obama's decision to postpone a meeting with the Dalai Lama until after the visit to China. In an editorial, the newspaper suggested that the United States should be able to maintain good relations both with Beijing and the Dalai Lama, and that the president "should be using his persuasive powers to convince China's leaders that their interest would be best served if they granted cultural autonomy and religious freedom to Tibetans." Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek International, wrote that the Obama administration was "taking a strategic view that developing strong relationships with [China] will yield long-term benefits." At the same time he expressed a concern that the administration was failing in nurturing similar ties with India. He described India as "a natural ally of the United States", particularly in the context of the war in Afghanistan.
For the Chinese, the official visit from the United States' first black president presented an opportunity to confront the issue of racial prejudice in their own country. The number of Africans living in China is growing rapidly, creating a more racially diverse society, but the immigrants are often faced with racism and prejudice.
Direct telecast of Obama's arrival in Shanghai showing the President walking down from Air Force One had sparked many curious comments from Chinese netizens, one of the comment had even became the 2009 internet catch phrase:A black man, wearing a black coat, in a dark night, holding a black umbrella, walks into a black country.
Xiang Xi, a top editor of the Southern weekly newspaper, who interviewed Obama was demoted by the Communist Party in December 2009.
Chinese people were quick to cash in on the hot topic of the Obama visit, and one of the items being offered in Beijing roadside stalls is a T-shirt named "Obamao", featuring Obama's wearing Chinese PLA's green uniform. The word "Obamao" is a portmanteau of Obama and Mao Zedong.
Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 21:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
If you ask me the entire section of Obama's China visit should be deleted because this isn't the first visit by a US perident and it won't be the last and it has little or no historical importence in US China relations there are many more visits back and fort to come. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 ( talk) 15:40, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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Dark Liberty ( talk) 01:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
but the alternative would make an even bigger controversy!
The map in the infobox shows China in green. However, the territory controlled by the Republic of China on Taiwan is not in green. There was once a postage stamp with the same thing. The designer of the PRC stamp lost his job for the mistake!
However, if the island of Formosa is green, that is also making a political statement. Maybe make it blue? Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 00:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Some major changes in the Sino-USA relations under President Obama has been trade protectionism, such as the tariff on tires. Nothing on trade is mentioned.
Here's what is mentioned that should be kept. Some more esoteric details have been removed.
Also, the April 2001 incident is listed before the section on the Bush administration; I see what happened (as the previous section covers multiple administrations), but it's confusingly laid out; and quite honestly, paints an inaccurately rosy picture of Sino-American relations throughout his administration that wasn't necessarily accurate, at least pre-9/11 (this was a major int'l incident, really the first of his presidency and should probably be bumped down, even if it means changing the previous subject headline. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.163.169 ( talk) 12:12, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The 2008 U.S. presidential election centered on issues of war and economic decline, but candidates Barack Obama and John McCain also spoke extensively regarding U.S. policy toward China. Both favored cooperation with China on major issues, but they differed with regard to trade policy. Obama expressed concern that the value of China's currency was being deliberately set low to benefit China's exporters. McCain argued that free trade was crucial and was having a transformative effect in China. McCain, though, noted that while China might have shared interests with the U.S., it did not share American values.
Both U.S. and Chinese governments have addressed the economic downturn with massive stimulus initiatives. The Chinese have expressed concern that "Buy American" components of the U.S. plan are discriminate against foreign, including Chinese, producers.
The Strategic Economic Dialogue initiated by then U.S. President Bush and Chinese President Hu and led by U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Chinese Vice Premier Wu Yi in 2006 has been broadened by the Obama administration. Now called the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue and led by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner for the United States and Vice Premier Wang Qishan and Chinese State Councilor Dai Bingguo for the Chinese side, the focus of the first set of meetings in July 2009 was in responding to the economic crisis, finding ways to cooperate to stem global warming, and addressing issues such as the proliferation of nuclear weapons and humanitarian crises.
US President Barack Obama visited China on November 15-18, 2009, to discuss of economic worries, concerns over nuclear weapons proliferation, and the need to act to stem climate change.>>>Insert that the trip was part of a wider trip to Singapore for the multinational summit.
>>>Insert trade tensions paragraph, example tires.
Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 23:21, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
http://china.usc.edu/ShowArticle.aspx?articleID=1329
http://china.usc.edu/ShowArticle.aspx?articleID=1557
http://china.usc.edu/ShowArticle.aspx?articleID=1902
USC US-China Institute: Analysis on Summit
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/616563/United-States Encyclopaedia Britannica
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/pdf/budget/defense.pdf
Dark Liberty ( talk) 01:16, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Do we need to talk about this issue聽? Polylepsis ( talk) 17:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
People's Republic of China | United States of America | |
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Area | 9,596,961鈥9,640,011聽km虏 (3,676,486-3,717,813 sq mi) | 9,522,055-9,629,091聽km虏 (3,705,407鈥3,721,904 sq mi) |
Population | 1,345,751,000 | 308,169,000 |
Population Density | 140/km虏 (363/sq mi) | 31/km虏 (80/sq mi) |
Capital | Beijing | Washington, D.C. |
Largest City | Shanghai (19,210,000) | New York City (19,069,796) |
Government | Unitary socialist republic ( one country, two systems) | Federal presidential constitutional republic |
Official languages | Chinese | English ( de facto) |
GDP (nominal) | $4.985 trillion | $14.256 trillion |
GDP (PPP) | $7.916 trillion | $14.441 trillion |
GDP (nominal) per capita | $3,259 | $47,440 |
GDP (PPP) per capita | $6,567 | $46,381 |
Human Development Index | 0.772 | 0.956 |
Foreign exchange reserves | 2,450,000 (millions of USD) | 83,375 (millions of USD) |
Military expenditures | $70 billion | $663.7 billion (FY 2010) |
I think that this table is very useful so i've reverted the edits made by PNA record. Iamverublue ( talk) 16:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that this table is useful. Look at Russia-United States relations. When I put up a similar comparison table, it was removed. This table should be removed from here. PNA record ( talk) 21:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be a problem with the land areas listed. If you look at the square km, China is larger than the US, but if you look at the square miles, the US is larger than China. I don't know which is right, but they can't both be. Someone more expert than I could maybe fix this. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 24.151.51.184 ( talk) 17:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Considering the stink put up about Red Dawn that I read about, do you think that this should be added on this page? 74.75.248.107 ( talk) 21:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Sino-American relations 鈫 China-United States relations 鈥 Per naming conventions for relations pages. America refers to the content, and the terms Sino/Indo/Euro/Anglo/Afro/etc are not used in title names. Lihaas ( talk) 13:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
There should be a section on here about the landmark trade agreement between the United States and the People's Replubic of China. This document that was signed by both countries in the year 2000 may be one of the causes the Unites States are in a recession as of right now. It's revalnce is very important because it explains the relationship with China as a country and from an economic standpoint. SMITH BRENT ( talk) 15:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
What the fnord? This article should represent the bilateral view of the subject. What it needs are more notes from China, but they'd need to have freedom of speech first. Perhaps Wikileaks shall suffice? Hcobb ( talk) 14:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
China is one of the US biggest creditors. China hold something like 900 billion dollars of US treasury bonds and 1.6 trillion dollars of US assets overall. Inlight of the international financial crisis this issue is now more importend than ever. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 ( talk) 17:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This is overall a very balanced article, however, there is one omission I find glaring, which is the U.S. external debt to China. While the issue does not need to be covered in more than a paragraph, but its absence detracts from the quality of the article. I believe this should be added to the section on economic relations. What do my fellow editors think? Mythbuster2010 ( talk) 03:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I think this is one of the most importent aspect of the US China relations that's not only is importent to the US and China but to the whole world. I think this issue deserves a promenent place in this article as well as the fact that anyone who is interested or involved in US China diplomacy and all the analyst are constantly talking about this issue. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 ( talk) 14:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
China's Hauwei drops it plans to buy 3leaf systems because of US concerns about security.
http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/chinas-huawei-drops-us-tech-firm-deal.html 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 ( talk) 14:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Tallying the Toll of U.S.-China Trade; Study Sees Americans Bearing High Economic Cost of Imports as Labor Market Struggles to Adapt September 27, 2011 by Justin Lahart in WSJ. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 18:14, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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Obama's China Syndrome by Michael T. Klare November 22, 2011. This article appeared in the December 12, 2011 edition of The Nation, excerpt ...
In a move that could prove as momentous鈥攁nd dangerous鈥攁s President Truman鈥檚 1947 decision to initiate a cold war with the Soviet Union, President Obama has chosen to commence a military buildup in the Asia Pacific region aimed at reasserting US primacy and constraining China. Announced in Canberra, Australia, on November 17, the buildup will include deploying 2,500 U.S. marines at Darwin on Australia鈥檚 north coast, and an expanded naval presence in the South China Sea. Along with this shift is a fresh U.S. drive to bolster alliances with countries on China鈥檚 periphery, including Australia, India, Indonesia, Japan, the Philippines, Singapore, South Korea and Thailand. None of this is explicitly aimed at China鈥攊ndeed, Obama insists he still seeks good relations with Beijing鈥攂ut it is impossible to avoid the conclusion that the White House has decided to counter China鈥檚 spectacular economic growth with a military riposte.
99.56.122.24 ( talk) 08:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
China vs. the U.S.: The Case for Second Place; China will soon overtake the U.S. as the world's biggest economy. Should Americans be concerned? October 13, 2011, 5:00 PM EDT by Charles Kenny. 99.19.45.160 ( talk) 23:54, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Lawmakers Urge Action on Hacking December 22, 2011 by Siobhan Gorman,
Lawmakers on Wednesday seized on revelations that hackers based in China broke into the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's computer network to demand legislation bolstering government and private-sector cybersecurity. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R., Mich.) said the breach at the business-lobbying group showed that the private sector needs better information to defend its computer networks. "Incidents like this show that while the private sector already does much to secure its networks, it needs much clearer authority to detect threats and share information, and needs better access to what the U.S. government knows about dangerous cyber threats," he ...
Other wp locations likely. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 01:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Hacked Chamber of Commerce Opposed Cybersecurity Law by NICOLE PERLROTH New York Times December 21, 2011, 6:10 PM, excerpt ...
The United States Chamber of Commerce has confirmed Chinese hackers last year broke into internal networks. The breach is, in some ways, a twist of fate for the Chamber. It has been one of the more vocal critics of cybersecurity legislation. In an internal draft document circulated earlier this year, the Chamber criticized the White House鈥檚 legislative proposals on cybersecurity as 鈥渞egulatory overreach鈥 and cautioned that 鈥渓ayering new regulations on critical infrastructure will harm public-private partnerships.鈥
"The Journal reported that the Chamber recently discovered a thermostat in a Chamber-owned apartment was communicating with an Internet address in China and that last March, one of its printers randomly started printing documents containing Chinese characters."
See Good Harbor Consulting 99.190.86.5 ( talk) 06:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Four domestic companies that make most of the steel towers for wind turbines in the United States filed a trade complaint against China and Vietnam on Thursday, seeking tariffs in the range of 60 percent. The action is a significant new skirmish in an emerging green energy trade war. ... The case was filed by the Wind Tower Trade Coalition 鈥 comprising Trinity Structural Towers, DMI Industries, Katana Summit and Broadwind Energy 鈥 at the Commerce Department, which has 20 days to decide whether to initiate an investigation. In addition, another government agency, the International Trade Commission, will hold a hearing in about three weeks ...
99.181.141.49 ( talk) 11:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
The New Arms Race; China Takes Aim at U.S. Naval Might JANUARY 4, 2012 (frontpage) Wall Street Journal by JULIAN E. BARNES, NATHAN HODGE, and JEREMY PAGE. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 01:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
See Xinhua News Agency 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 20:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Obama Panel to Watch Beijing 10.January.2012; excerpt ...
President Barack Obama plans to create a U.S. government task force designed to monitor China for possible trade and other commercial violations as part of a larger White House effort to get more assertive with Beijing this election year, people familiar with the matter said. The group, called the Enforcement Task Force, will aim to enforce U.S. trade rules. Despite the generic name, officials said the group is specifically meant to target China. It will include officials from various government agencies, including the Treasury Department, the Commerce Department, the Energy Department and U.S. Trade Representative's office.
97.87.29.188 ( talk) 00:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Changed from globalize to disputed title template. To clarify, other editors have objected to both the word "American" and the word "Sino" in the title. See earlier discussions above. Acad膿mica Orient膩lis ( talk) 20:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 14:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Sino-American relations 鈫
People's Republic of China - United States relations 鈥 I propose that the article should be moved to
People's Republic of China - United States relations. This seems to be the standard title format for relations involving these two nations and other nations. So for consistency we should use the same format here.
Acad膿mica Orient膩lis (
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Y'all might want to comment at Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#bilateral_relations. 鈥 kwami ( talk) 22:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Looking at the above move discussion there seem to be support and no active opposition to creating a separate article for "China鈥揢nited States relations" while keeping this article for issues such as the history before the creation of the PRC. So I propose creating such an article and moving the appropriate contents there. Thoughts? Academica Orientalis ( talk) 15:29, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sino-American relations's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Census2010":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 鈿 07:08, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Much of the Bush Administration section of the history of relations section reads in the present tense. It seems to me that it should entirely be in the past tense, and perhaps updated, though I'm not the expert to do it. Kristofferjay ( talk) 19:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
This statement lacks neutrality: "China, the largest creditor of the world's sole superpower, has every right now to demand the United States address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets."
I think it may actually be a quote the author meant to integrate into the paragraph, but the formatting is inconsistent with the rest of the article so I probably misread it. I suggest changing it to read something like "On [date], [official's name] stated that [quotation]".
49.64.219.175 ( talk) 15:50, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Cool, l figured that was the case. 49.64.219.175 ( talk) 16:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
See the footnote sources before you undo. I deleted the CIA factbook entries due to bias. Namely, CIA is american, it is BAISED in favor of America. Britannica is an unbiased third party. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by Jc900 ( talk 鈥 contribs) 23:51, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
In the comparison tables, the cell is listed as "largest city". Perhaps change to "largest city proper (by population)"? I am proposing this only because I am interested in the actual specifications regarding the cities involved (Shanghai and Washington), and the cell was a little misleading.
This is only a trivial issue, so please disregard if you consider it unnecessary. Conversely, however, it's also a trivial change.(Although I do note that most articles on "Country X - Country Y relations" would have to be modified accordingly as well.) Thanks. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.165.221 ( talk) 16:18, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
The sections "Cold War Relations" and "Communist State of Mainland China" have the same content... Are there any policies in Wikipedia that state that information cannot be repeated? BrandonWu ( talk) 02:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
>> US offers naval security aid to Asian nations >> Obama to host Dalai Lama at White House >> China summons US official in Dalai Lama row( Lihaas ( talk) 19:04, 16 December 2013 (UTC)).
I added a "Failed verification" ("not in citation given") tag in the "Country comparison" section, in the box for "Main religions" of China. Reasons:
Background info: The "Country comparison" section has been added and deleted from the article several times (e.g., 2 Nov 2008, 28-29 Aug 2010, 9-17 Sep 2010, 10 Nov 2010, 3 Apr 2011, 25 Jun 2011, 5 Jul 2011, 29 Aug 2012; see also Talk page section above, "Country comparaison table" [sic]). There was a previous unsourced version of "Main religions" for China (added 2 Nov 2008, deleted 12 Oct 2009). The current text was added by Makecat on 8 Nov 2012.
Suggestion: Either delete "Main religions" or use a better source (e.g., the China article cites pewforum.org). -- HLachman ( talk) 21:33, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
The article is hardly written by those in the United States, and seems to be written by Chinese who are upset at their own country, and understandably so. Anyways, I've checked the revision history as well as the references. I've made some changes to the syntax to focus on the topic of the article. Dark Liberty ( talk) 08:06, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Cannot be correctly be stated as Socialism or Marxism. A query on Google for "China authoritarian democracy" yields all top ten search results ranging from scholastic to NGOs on confirming that China is indeed not constrained by old textbook definitions. We can probably use some of these phrases from these sources in the article as well.
China Democratic Supporting an Authoritarian by T. Shi
china.praguesummerschools.org/files/china/6china2012.pdf
China at the Tipping Point? Authoritarianism and [Democratic Change]
http://www.journalofdemocracy.org/article/china-tipping-point-authoritarianism-and-contestation
Not the End Of History? Democracy vs Authoritarianism
http://www.theoligarch.com/democracy-authoritarianism.htm
"Warren Buffet... invest in authoritarian China rather than democratic India because..."
Democracy development and authoritarianism by Mark Beeson
http://www.academia.edu/542920/Democracy_development_and_authoritarianism
"On the contrary, the success of China's economic development may prove an attractive role model for encouraging democratisation."
China and the Authoritarian Model
http://www.academia.edu/239800/...
Can China be defined as an Authoritarian State?
http://www.e-ir.info/2011/02/04/can-china-be-defined-as-an-authoritarian-state/
"Despite all the evidence that China is an authoritarian power [there is] a system of indirect [democratic governance] at work in China."
Authoritarianism the Chinese way - Cato Institute
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/authoritarianism-chinese-way
"Others may think differently, of course. There is an ideological left in China, which opposes much of [privitisation]. Suspicion of America is particularly strong in the military. Washington trying to contain [China] could [lead to military confrontation]. It is [unknown about] Beijing鈥檚 future geopolitical ambitions." - Note: we can use this in the article.
Dark Liberty ( talk) 04:10, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
This section is for removed content, for reference.
In 2005, the state-owned Chinese National Offshore Oil Corporation attempted an $18.5 billion takeover of UNOCAL. The deal was rejected by the American government on the grounds that it threatened national security.
China also rejected a $2.4 billion bid from the The Coca-Cola Company for the Huiyuan Juice Group on the grounds that it would be a virtual monopoly, though nationalism was also thought to be a reason for aborting the deal.
Dark Liberty ( talk) 09:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=JHMWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA129#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 05:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Academic and political views on China-United States relations from a leading experts from Xinhua University, University of Southern California, and Council on Foreign Relations.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJpsYrOji_A&feature=youtu.be&t=14m14s
Dark Liberty ( talk) 09:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
The name is Chinese鈥揢S relations or Sino-American relations. A move to the present name was voted on above and failed. No idea why it's here now, but it needs to go back to the ENGLISH COMMONNAME.聽鈥斅 LlywelynII 06:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Hasn't anyone noticed the glaring presence of the non-word "academicians" in the very first paragraph of the page?20:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC) 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 96.33.227.245 ( talk)
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Spotted an obvious error: the Taiping Rebellion caused millions of lives? Hans van der Meer 13:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC) 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Hvrmeer ( talk 鈥 contribs)
Americans from three U.S. news organizations, The New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal[3]
There are various SARS-2 related topics associated with US-PRC relations:
Trump attempts to blame China for the spread of the coronavirus by calling it the 鈥淐hina Virus,鈥 which, aside from being considered racially offensive and inaccurate, advocacy groups say has put Asian Americans at risk of retaliation. 鈥淚t鈥檚 not racist at all,鈥 Trump told reporters. 鈥淣o, not at all. It comes from China, that鈥檚 why. It comes from China. I want to be accurate.鈥
After the emergence of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), the World Health Organization (WHO) asked national authorities, scientists, and the media to not name a virus after people, a geographic location, a cultural group or even a species of animal, because that can stigmatize communities. Separately, a Chinese American news reporter said that a White House official referred to coronavirus as the 鈥淜ung-Flu鈥 to her face.
Also see List of incidents of xenophobia and racism related to the 2019鈥20 coronavirus pandemic.
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As a political tactic?
The Trump administration blocked a joint statement from G-7 countries on the coronavirus by insisting that the U.N. Security Council refer to the pandemic as 鈥渢he Wuhan virus.鈥 The U.S. repeatedly tried to insert references to 鈥渢he outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in Wuhan, Hubei province in the People鈥檚 Republic of China (PRC) in November 2019鈥 into the joint statement. China, meanwhile, has consistently vetoed those efforts and accused the U.S. of 鈥渋rresponsible practices鈥 and of 鈥減oliticizing the outbreak and blaming China.鈥
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There's a nice repro of the U.S. Marines in China during the Boxer Rebellion but nothing about U.S. Marines presence in China during the Japanese occupation & resulting civil strife, c. 1927-1933. Smedley Butler was the commander of Marine forces sent to China to protect American interests in Beijing, & it was that event, among others, that soured Gen. Butler on a military presence to protect American corporate interests, which paid no U.S. taxes on profits in China & used & misused Chinese laborers.
One of Butler's acolytes in China was future Marine Corps Commandant, David M. Shoup, who shared Butler's dismal attitude toward the misuse of armed forces on behalf of American interests abroad. In fact, Shoup did two tours in China during the 1927-1933 period; he became convinced that one day we would be fighting the Japanese. BubbleDine ( talk) 18:28, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
"there has been a shift of low-end assembly industries to mainland China from newly industrialized countries in Asia." Yes. for cheapness but nothing to do with "*US Import Valuation Overcounts". What you should be saying is "Mainland China has increasingly become the last link in a long chain of value-added production. Because US trade data attributes the full value of a product to the final assembler, mainland Chinese value added is overcounted." [1] Also, The US-China trade war is forcing companies to shift their supply chain activities out of China, especially at the stages of final product assembly and finishing. Faced with the threat of high tariffs, those selling to the US are deliberating on the most cost-effective strategy. [2] 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Mmmarkkk ( talk 鈥 contribs) 20:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
At the moment, 'United States criticism of China' seems to be a more fitting title for the whole thing. Because certainly, the relations are not just one-sided fears or condemnation from the US, with China ignoring them or avoiding rebuttals. I know Beijing sometimes likes to argue back with US foreign policy disasters in other places e.g. the Middle East ( http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-08/08/c_138293893.htm), & more domestically, possible accusations of CIA meddling and whatnot, although I haven't had the time to look up sources on those fronts. Leo Kinnaman ( talk) 05:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
There is a need in this article for neutrality of views, based on Wikipedia:NPOV. Wherefore, the unneccesary deletion of the political analysis of Stephen Roach, who weighed-in on the deterioration in US-Sino relations, is an important balance in this regard (see following edit):
The argument that "The material does not document the views of the government of the PRC" is a non-sequitur. The above edit is, therefore, being restored.
References
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This article is much too long and the solution is to break off the history sections into "History of China鈥揢nited States relations to 1948" which I am doing. Rjensen ( talk) 09:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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This should be re edited to show the country comparison since they're the two largest economies and leaving that out is lazy. 174.26.243.116 ( talk) 13:44, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
I propose deleting the extensive further reading section. It unnecessarily lengthens the article and adds little. We have hundreds of references in the article - my view is, if it's an important enough source, we should cite it in the body of the article. Furthermore, for a topic this extensive, it is difficult to curate an authoritative "further reading list" given the multiplicity of views and constant new publications.
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The 'World Energy Outlook for 2004' is published by the OECD's International Energy Agency.
It looks from the report that Sino-American good relations should include energy. While nowhere near America's demand for energy, China's consumption is exploding. One concern is the need for security of trade in the sea-lanes of the world. Perhaps more importantly though, both China and America should be worried about trade in energy with Russia. The Russian Federation is a major supplier of energy: the Energy Charter Treaty has been plugging away in vain for years to get the Federation to agree a safe transit discipline - largely for the assurance of investors. However recent developments there concerning the treatment of oil and gas as assets that should be sold strategically, and with Yukos, put further question marks on investing there. No doubt these problems will be solved soon. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 81.79.90.7 ( talk 鈥 contribs) 14:39, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
How has it created a common enemy? As far as I know Taliban had a presence in the Xinjiang seccessionist movement, but it's a nuisance to say the most and definitely not a threat. I think whoever wrote that played too much C&C Generals...聽:) - Hmib 04:00, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This entry really seems to be written by someone more interested in running cover for the People's Republic than in telling a balanced story.
For example, there is no mention at all of the inconvenient Korean War, started with PRC complicity and waged cruely and unnecessarily for two years after lines became stabilized. Scott Adler 06:53, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
It seem to me you feel like everything that is not "PRC bashing" is "PRC Propaganda", is it not possible to have some positive attitudes toward the issue that you require every article to describe PRC as a horrible entity? You must think I work for the communist government or something, don't forget your tinfoil hat. Yongke 23:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
(Yes, this is a play on the section above.) I don't think there is anything too outwardly biased about the article, but it does seem to be written almost entirely from an American perspective in that it discusses only or mainly the American side of issues. For example, in the discussion on trade, it talks about the trade "deficit" (which is only a deficit on the American side), and does not examine the issue from the Chinese perspective, i.e. the reasons for the trade surplus, and answering questions like why should they, or don't they, invest more into US trade? 24.6.99.30 22:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Why is it that on the design of the map in this article, the flags are above their opposite countries, and the labels on the bottom are directly underneath these flags, but not underneath their corresponding countries on the map? Why isn't the American flag on the left side, with the Yellow "United States" label on the left as well, and the Chinese flag and label on the right side? Is it because of the Sino-American name? If so, I think that it would be better to have the flags and labels on their correct sides, despite the the order they come in the name. It would be easier to understand. BirdValiant 01:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Where is Hawaii? Hcobb ( talk) 20:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I made a number of changes to the article for the following reasons:
Please let me know if you have any comments. BlizzardGhost 00:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
This article is generally upbeat about Sino-American relations, but there have been many speculations over the possibiliy of future conflicts fuelled by America's and China's competing demand for oil, and China's friendship with Iran. See this article, for example: [1], and all these books. I am not competent to write anything about this, but it seems someone with some expertise should write something. The Singing Badger 23:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
POV? I think the title of this article is either POV or at least inaccurately vague, as there are two " Chinas," and this one arbitrarily chooses the People's Republic of China. The relations with the Republic of China (or lack thereof, or unofficial via the Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office) have just as much a right to be under the name "Sino-American relations." Thoughts? - Justin (koavf)路 T路 C路 M 22:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
The notion that there are two Chinas is a common misconception. In fact, the PRC is sovereign and the ROC is not. This is because there are no international legal documents which show that the territorial sovereignty of "Formosa and the Pescadores" has ever been transferred to the ROC. In the truth of the matter, the ROC is a government in exile. See http://www.taiwankey.net/dc/rocexile.htm and there is no legal basis to consider native Taiwanese persons as ROC citizens, see http://www.taiwankey.net/dc/rcitizen6.htm Hmortar 23:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Why do all the issues in these relations listed here only concern China itself? China obviously has many issues concerning the US as well. Also, should we rank the issues in order of importance? e.g. Taiwan is the #1 issue/concern today. Jsw663 04:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Is the Chinese translation of "Sino-American translations" in the lead really necessary? I'm an avowed proponent of multilingualism and the use of original-language sources, but at the same time the case can be made the original-language terms should only be used in an article title for proper nouns/place/personal names. -- Dpr 15:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC) stop posting meaning less words!
Apparently, somebody decided to move the Sino-American relations here, found out that they're actually different things, and simply decided to delete half the article. Well, here's the problem. The original article was about Sino-American relations, meaning the relations between China and America as a whole, i.e. any government which was in power in China. That creates a little problem, of course: the PRC was formed at 1949, so does that mean everything else before 1949 is to be deleted? If it was deleted, how would the reader comprehend the article? Or, if it was not deleted, then how much would be included, and how much would be left to other articles like Sino-American relations before 1949 and ROC-American relations? These are pretty hard questions to solve, and I could not quite understand how a person could be so absurdly short sighted as to make the move.
But those issues are only trivial compared to what the article is facing now. I'll put it frank - this article makes no sense. Read from 2.1 to 2.4 - For two and a half sub-sections it talked about matters with no relevancy to the article at all, then all of a sudden this Communist Party led by Mao came out and created the People's Republic of China, which just happened to be the topic of this article. So very sad. And then there's this lovely little sub-section, title "People's Republic of China," cleverly summing up 30 years of relations between the PRC and the US in two sentences:
"For 30 years after its founding, the United States did not formally recognize the People's Republic of China (PRC). Instead, it maintained diplomatic relations with the Republic of China government on Taiwan, and recognized the ROC as the sole legitimate government of all China."
So it would only be logical, if logic has any value in this article, that the next sub-section would be titled "United States" and how for 30 years nobody in PRC cared about her. Right? Wrong. It's "Korean War." And the next two? "Relations frozen" and, all of a sudden, "Reapproachment." Damn, I know something's missing. Aran| heru| nar 09:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I have recommended that the tediously titled article Potential military conflict between the United States and China be merged here. It鈥檚 a very weak article that barely survived RfD, and has basically been ignored in the intervening year by those who insisted it was a hot topic. It mostly talks about the Vietnam War, and until four months after I mentioned it, totally ignored the Korean War (which actually saw the highest prospect for a real "hot war"); furthermore, other than citing Jeffrey Record (and listing references he mentions), it offers tremendously little info on modern "prospects". It also has no mention of past actual American conflicts with China that might provide some useful historical context. I believe the editors here could make something useful out of this haphazard work which doesn鈥檛 seem able to stand on its own at this time. Askari Mark (Talk) 01:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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Regarding the edit by Pauly04... I'm not a wiki editor, but that really doesn't look right. 鈥擯receding
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The Chinese Exclusion Act was a United States federal law passed on May 6, 1882, following revisions made in 1880 to the Burlingame Treaty of 1868. Those revisions allowed the U.S. to suspend immigration, and Congress subsequently acted quickly to implement the suspension of Chinese immigration, a ban that lasted well over 60 years. BillyTFried ( talk) 09:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
As well as the unequal treaty, the Boxer Protocol China was forced to sign in 1901. This event had a lasting effect on Chinese relations with the members of the Eight-Nation Alliance, including the United States. Seems like a pretty big detail to have skipped over to me. BillyTFried ( talk) 19:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Is Chongqing not the largest city in China? I was told this was the case on my recent visit there, and the page here seems to imply that, but I'm wondering if there's a reason for it not to be considered the largest or something (too big of a metro, that sort of thing). Baseballbaker23 ( talk) 07:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Chongqing isn't a city per se. It's a provincial-level administrative region with the same name as its central city. Strictly as a city, Shanghai is more populous Xsterx ( talk) 22:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was} move.
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People's Republic of China 鈥 United States relations 鈫
Sino-American relations 鈥
Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations#Bilateral relations 鈥
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.Is there a logic behind the ordering of the ethnicities in the Chinese column? " Tibetan" isn't a significant minority in China in terms of population. I will make a modification to list the most few populous minorities in China. Please alert me if this isn't the proper protocol. I am new to this Xsterx ( talk) 22:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
This article has pro Chinese claims throughout. Some have been flagged since 2008. For instance the article says that human rights issues are improved in China. Yet in the Beijing Olympics, student from my university traveled abroad to see the Olympics as a part of a 4 credit course. They said that brand new walls were built throughout the city which hid the endless shanty towns and slums that would otherwise dominate the televised street race events. So China believes that human rights progress is made by being ashamed of it's citizens and hiding them? How about when they didn't let one girl sing their national anthem because she wasn't attractive enough. I would love to see that claim cited by any reputable source that China has made great improvements to human rights. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 71.230.133.111 ( talk 鈥 contribs) 2009-08-09T21:55:18
We people are kinda upset indeed about the gov't doing all this decorative works instead of some real improvements to our living standard, but what I don't quite understand is, what does it have to do with human rights? For the girl & the anthem, citation please. Blodance ( talk) 07:47, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Basically the US Navy routinely perform flights or patrols in the South China Sea region. This has caused the fatal Hainan Incident and other cases of near-contact-incidents (ie USNS Impeccable).
On one side, the US claims that it is operating within international waters/airspace and in accordance with international laws, and described the Chinese actions as "harassment" and "aggressive". On the other side, PRC views that the US, deploying its warships half way across the world to conduct surveillance of its shorelines as "illegal" and have been perceived negatively by PRC citizen.
I think the surveillance issue has caused quite a bit of heat in the recent China-US relations and is worthy to be mentioned.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20000526b1.html "Chinese spy ship traverses Tsugaru Strait" Hcobb ( talk) 21:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone recently inserted an assertion that China entered the Korean War after MacAuthur threated to nuke China. I believe I've heard that MacAuthur wanted to use nukes during the war, and that he wanted to cross the river into China, but I don't know about the timing nor was a source provided, nor was I able to find a source. Does anyone know the details of this and where a source might be found? If this was one of the reasons for China entering the war it deserves mention. Readin ( talk) 15:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
鈥淚s There a Civil-Military Gap in China鈥檚 Peaceful Rise?鈥 by Andrew Scobell http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/09summer/contents.htm
I'm looking at the best place to add this in.
Perhaps by renaming the "Chinese military spending" section? Hcobb ( talk) 15:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone got the map colours and the legend wrong?? That's pretty epic 67.204.53.11 ( talk) 01:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Why is china's flag smaller than the us'flag聽?? -- Zhonghuo ( talk) 00:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
That's just the way both flags are proportioned. the Chinese flag is 2:3, and the US flag is 10:19. That means the US flag is, in real life, longer than the Chinese flag when given the same width. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 15:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
User:SilkTork has decreed that the following information should be considered for inclusion, not necessarily all of it, but at least some of it.
U.S. President Barack Obama's first visit to the People's Republic of China began on November 15, 2009 as part of a 4-day trip from November 15 to 18. It is part of a 9-day tour to Asian countries which includes Japan, Singapore, China and South Korea. Chinese president Hu Jintao and US President Obama is scheduled to discuss bilateral ties and major international and regional issues of common concern. Prior to the trip, Obama billed himself as America's first "Pacific president".
President Obama arrived in Shanghai late in the evening coming from Singapore after the 2009 APEC conference.
On November 16, President Obama's arrival in Shanghai and Beijing faced questions that has vexed US presidents since Richard Nixon's 1972 visit. He began his day arriving at Shanghai to meet mayor Han Zheng. He held an open town hall meeting with 400 students from 8 universities at the Shanghai Science and Technology Museum. In the meeting Obama called himself a "a big supporter of non- censorship." His talk with students was not broadcasted to the national CCTV. The session was live and shown locally on Shanghai Phoenix TV. The sina.com site ran a story under the headline: "Obama: The Internet is a tool for becoming stronger and citizens can participate." The link then became unreachable with the message, "Cannot find the page." NetEase's web frontpage also carried Obama's answers for 27 minutes before being deleted by censors. The students who posed questions were pre-selected, and most appeared to be members of the Chinese Communist Party Youth League. The Obama administration also supports the One China policy on the Cross-strait relations. Barack Obama's brother Mark Ndesandjo flew to Beijing from his residence place Shenzhen for a 5 minute meeting. In Beijing, Barack Obama then attended a state dinner with President Hu Jintao.
Obama is expected to raise the issue of the Renminbi in his talks with Hu Jintao. Due to the levels of US debt to China, it is however arguable that Barack Obama has limited negotiating power, where the economic recovery of the United States is reliant on Chinese holding of US debt; each year the United States pays US$56 billion in interest to China on its US$860 billion debt. China spoke against US protectionism, while US denies it.
Obama stated that the U.S. Government recognizes Tibet as part of the People's Republic of China, but hopes that dialogue will resume between the Chinese government and the Dalai Lama soon. Wu Bangguo, chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress also met Obama at the Great Hall of the People. The Forbidden City was closed for Obama, Chang'an Avenue was half-closed.
In the morning Obama accepted an interview with the more liberal Southern Weekly at the Beijing St Regis hotel (鍥介檯淇变箰閮ㄩキ搴). A Southern Weekly editorial staff member said the questions were sent to the Foreign Ministry top censorship department for screening before the interview. After the meeting Obama met with Premier Wen Jiabao and toured the Great Wall of China before flying to South Korea, the last leg of his Asia trip.
The state visit was closely followed by journalists and political commentators. The Boston Globe criticised Obama's decision to postpone a meeting with the Dalai Lama until after the visit to China. In an editorial, the newspaper suggested that the United States should be able to maintain good relations both with Beijing and the Dalai Lama, and that the president "should be using his persuasive powers to convince China's leaders that their interest would be best served if they granted cultural autonomy and religious freedom to Tibetans." Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek International, wrote that the Obama administration was "taking a strategic view that developing strong relationships with [China] will yield long-term benefits." At the same time he expressed a concern that the administration was failing in nurturing similar ties with India. He described India as "a natural ally of the United States", particularly in the context of the war in Afghanistan.
For the Chinese, the official visit from the United States' first black president presented an opportunity to confront the issue of racial prejudice in their own country. The number of Africans living in China is growing rapidly, creating a more racially diverse society, but the immigrants are often faced with racism and prejudice.
Direct telecast of Obama's arrival in Shanghai showing the President walking down from Air Force One had sparked many curious comments from Chinese netizens, one of the comment had even became the 2009 internet catch phrase:A black man, wearing a black coat, in a dark night, holding a black umbrella, walks into a black country.
Xiang Xi, a top editor of the Southern weekly newspaper, who interviewed Obama was demoted by the Communist Party in December 2009.
Chinese people were quick to cash in on the hot topic of the Obama visit, and one of the items being offered in Beijing roadside stalls is a T-shirt named "Obamao", featuring Obama's wearing Chinese PLA's green uniform. The word "Obamao" is a portmanteau of Obama and Mao Zedong.
Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 21:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
If you ask me the entire section of Obama's China visit should be deleted because this isn't the first visit by a US perident and it won't be the last and it has little or no historical importence in US China relations there are many more visits back and fort to come. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 ( talk) 15:40, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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Dark Liberty ( talk) 01:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
but the alternative would make an even bigger controversy!
The map in the infobox shows China in green. However, the territory controlled by the Republic of China on Taiwan is not in green. There was once a postage stamp with the same thing. The designer of the PRC stamp lost his job for the mistake!
However, if the island of Formosa is green, that is also making a political statement. Maybe make it blue? Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 00:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Some major changes in the Sino-USA relations under President Obama has been trade protectionism, such as the tariff on tires. Nothing on trade is mentioned.
Here's what is mentioned that should be kept. Some more esoteric details have been removed.
Also, the April 2001 incident is listed before the section on the Bush administration; I see what happened (as the previous section covers multiple administrations), but it's confusingly laid out; and quite honestly, paints an inaccurately rosy picture of Sino-American relations throughout his administration that wasn't necessarily accurate, at least pre-9/11 (this was a major int'l incident, really the first of his presidency and should probably be bumped down, even if it means changing the previous subject headline. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.163.169 ( talk) 12:12, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The 2008 U.S. presidential election centered on issues of war and economic decline, but candidates Barack Obama and John McCain also spoke extensively regarding U.S. policy toward China. Both favored cooperation with China on major issues, but they differed with regard to trade policy. Obama expressed concern that the value of China's currency was being deliberately set low to benefit China's exporters. McCain argued that free trade was crucial and was having a transformative effect in China. McCain, though, noted that while China might have shared interests with the U.S., it did not share American values.
Both U.S. and Chinese governments have addressed the economic downturn with massive stimulus initiatives. The Chinese have expressed concern that "Buy American" components of the U.S. plan are discriminate against foreign, including Chinese, producers.
The Strategic Economic Dialogue initiated by then U.S. President Bush and Chinese President Hu and led by U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Chinese Vice Premier Wu Yi in 2006 has been broadened by the Obama administration. Now called the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue and led by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.S. Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner for the United States and Vice Premier Wang Qishan and Chinese State Councilor Dai Bingguo for the Chinese side, the focus of the first set of meetings in July 2009 was in responding to the economic crisis, finding ways to cooperate to stem global warming, and addressing issues such as the proliferation of nuclear weapons and humanitarian crises.
US President Barack Obama visited China on November 15-18, 2009, to discuss of economic worries, concerns over nuclear weapons proliferation, and the need to act to stem climate change.>>>Insert that the trip was part of a wider trip to Singapore for the multinational summit.
>>>Insert trade tensions paragraph, example tires.
Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 23:21, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
http://china.usc.edu/ShowArticle.aspx?articleID=1329
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USC US-China Institute: Analysis on Summit
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/616563/United-States Encyclopaedia Britannica
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/pdf/budget/defense.pdf
Dark Liberty ( talk) 01:16, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Do we need to talk about this issue聽? Polylepsis ( talk) 17:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
People's Republic of China | United States of America | |
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Area | 9,596,961鈥9,640,011聽km虏 (3,676,486-3,717,813 sq mi) | 9,522,055-9,629,091聽km虏 (3,705,407鈥3,721,904 sq mi) |
Population | 1,345,751,000 | 308,169,000 |
Population Density | 140/km虏 (363/sq mi) | 31/km虏 (80/sq mi) |
Capital | Beijing | Washington, D.C. |
Largest City | Shanghai (19,210,000) | New York City (19,069,796) |
Government | Unitary socialist republic ( one country, two systems) | Federal presidential constitutional republic |
Official languages | Chinese | English ( de facto) |
GDP (nominal) | $4.985 trillion | $14.256 trillion |
GDP (PPP) | $7.916 trillion | $14.441 trillion |
GDP (nominal) per capita | $3,259 | $47,440 |
GDP (PPP) per capita | $6,567 | $46,381 |
Human Development Index | 0.772 | 0.956 |
Foreign exchange reserves | 2,450,000 (millions of USD) | 83,375 (millions of USD) |
Military expenditures | $70 billion | $663.7 billion (FY 2010) |
I think that this table is very useful so i've reverted the edits made by PNA record. Iamverublue ( talk) 16:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that this table is useful. Look at Russia-United States relations. When I put up a similar comparison table, it was removed. This table should be removed from here. PNA record ( talk) 21:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be a problem with the land areas listed. If you look at the square km, China is larger than the US, but if you look at the square miles, the US is larger than China. I don't know which is right, but they can't both be. Someone more expert than I could maybe fix this. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 24.151.51.184 ( talk) 17:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Considering the stink put up about Red Dawn that I read about, do you think that this should be added on this page? 74.75.248.107 ( talk) 21:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Sino-American relations 鈫 China-United States relations 鈥 Per naming conventions for relations pages. America refers to the content, and the terms Sino/Indo/Euro/Anglo/Afro/etc are not used in title names. Lihaas ( talk) 13:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
There should be a section on here about the landmark trade agreement between the United States and the People's Replubic of China. This document that was signed by both countries in the year 2000 may be one of the causes the Unites States are in a recession as of right now. It's revalnce is very important because it explains the relationship with China as a country and from an economic standpoint. SMITH BRENT ( talk) 15:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
What the fnord? This article should represent the bilateral view of the subject. What it needs are more notes from China, but they'd need to have freedom of speech first. Perhaps Wikileaks shall suffice? Hcobb ( talk) 14:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
China is one of the US biggest creditors. China hold something like 900 billion dollars of US treasury bonds and 1.6 trillion dollars of US assets overall. Inlight of the international financial crisis this issue is now more importend than ever. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 ( talk) 17:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This is overall a very balanced article, however, there is one omission I find glaring, which is the U.S. external debt to China. While the issue does not need to be covered in more than a paragraph, but its absence detracts from the quality of the article. I believe this should be added to the section on economic relations. What do my fellow editors think? Mythbuster2010 ( talk) 03:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I think this is one of the most importent aspect of the US China relations that's not only is importent to the US and China but to the whole world. I think this issue deserves a promenent place in this article as well as the fact that anyone who is interested or involved in US China diplomacy and all the analyst are constantly talking about this issue. 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 ( talk) 14:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
China's Hauwei drops it plans to buy 3leaf systems because of US concerns about security.
http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/chinas-huawei-drops-us-tech-firm-deal.html 鈥擯receding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 ( talk) 14:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Tallying the Toll of U.S.-China Trade; Study Sees Americans Bearing High Economic Cost of Imports as Labor Market Struggles to Adapt September 27, 2011 by Justin Lahart in WSJ. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 18:14, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
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Obama's China Syndrome by Michael T. Klare November 22, 2011. This article appeared in the December 12, 2011 edition of The Nation, excerpt ...
In a move that could prove as momentous鈥攁nd dangerous鈥攁s President Truman鈥檚 1947 decision to initiate a cold war with the Soviet Union, President Obama has chosen to commence a military buildup in the Asia Pacific region aimed at reasserting US primacy and constraining China. Announced in Canberra, Australia, on November 17, the buildup will include deploying 2,500 U.S. marines at Darwin on Australia鈥檚 north coast, and an expanded naval presence in the South China Sea. Along with this shift is a fresh U.S. drive to bolster alliances with countries on China鈥檚 periphery, including Australia, India, Indonesia, Japan, the Philippines, Singapore, South Korea and Thailand. None of this is explicitly aimed at China鈥攊ndeed, Obama insists he still seeks good relations with Beijing鈥攂ut it is impossible to avoid the conclusion that the White House has decided to counter China鈥檚 spectacular economic growth with a military riposte.
99.56.122.24 ( talk) 08:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
China vs. the U.S.: The Case for Second Place; China will soon overtake the U.S. as the world's biggest economy. Should Americans be concerned? October 13, 2011, 5:00 PM EDT by Charles Kenny. 99.19.45.160 ( talk) 23:54, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Lawmakers Urge Action on Hacking December 22, 2011 by Siobhan Gorman,
Lawmakers on Wednesday seized on revelations that hackers based in China broke into the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's computer network to demand legislation bolstering government and private-sector cybersecurity. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R., Mich.) said the breach at the business-lobbying group showed that the private sector needs better information to defend its computer networks. "Incidents like this show that while the private sector already does much to secure its networks, it needs much clearer authority to detect threats and share information, and needs better access to what the U.S. government knows about dangerous cyber threats," he ...
Other wp locations likely. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 01:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Hacked Chamber of Commerce Opposed Cybersecurity Law by NICOLE PERLROTH New York Times December 21, 2011, 6:10 PM, excerpt ...
The United States Chamber of Commerce has confirmed Chinese hackers last year broke into internal networks. The breach is, in some ways, a twist of fate for the Chamber. It has been one of the more vocal critics of cybersecurity legislation. In an internal draft document circulated earlier this year, the Chamber criticized the White House鈥檚 legislative proposals on cybersecurity as 鈥渞egulatory overreach鈥 and cautioned that 鈥渓ayering new regulations on critical infrastructure will harm public-private partnerships.鈥
"The Journal reported that the Chamber recently discovered a thermostat in a Chamber-owned apartment was communicating with an Internet address in China and that last March, one of its printers randomly started printing documents containing Chinese characters."
See Good Harbor Consulting 99.190.86.5 ( talk) 06:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Four domestic companies that make most of the steel towers for wind turbines in the United States filed a trade complaint against China and Vietnam on Thursday, seeking tariffs in the range of 60 percent. The action is a significant new skirmish in an emerging green energy trade war. ... The case was filed by the Wind Tower Trade Coalition 鈥 comprising Trinity Structural Towers, DMI Industries, Katana Summit and Broadwind Energy 鈥 at the Commerce Department, which has 20 days to decide whether to initiate an investigation. In addition, another government agency, the International Trade Commission, will hold a hearing in about three weeks ...
99.181.141.49 ( talk) 11:17, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
The New Arms Race; China Takes Aim at U.S. Naval Might JANUARY 4, 2012 (frontpage) Wall Street Journal by JULIAN E. BARNES, NATHAN HODGE, and JEREMY PAGE. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 01:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
See Xinhua News Agency 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 20:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Obama Panel to Watch Beijing 10.January.2012; excerpt ...
President Barack Obama plans to create a U.S. government task force designed to monitor China for possible trade and other commercial violations as part of a larger White House effort to get more assertive with Beijing this election year, people familiar with the matter said. The group, called the Enforcement Task Force, will aim to enforce U.S. trade rules. Despite the generic name, officials said the group is specifically meant to target China. It will include officials from various government agencies, including the Treasury Department, the Commerce Department, the Energy Department and U.S. Trade Representative's office.
97.87.29.188 ( talk) 00:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Changed from globalize to disputed title template. To clarify, other editors have objected to both the word "American" and the word "Sino" in the title. See earlier discussions above. Acad膿mica Orient膩lis ( talk) 20:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 14:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Sino-American relations 鈫
People's Republic of China - United States relations 鈥 I propose that the article should be moved to
People's Republic of China - United States relations. This seems to be the standard title format for relations involving these two nations and other nations. So for consistency we should use the same format here.
Acad膿mica Orient膩lis (
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Y'all might want to comment at Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#bilateral_relations. 鈥 kwami ( talk) 22:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Looking at the above move discussion there seem to be support and no active opposition to creating a separate article for "China鈥揢nited States relations" while keeping this article for issues such as the history before the creation of the PRC. So I propose creating such an article and moving the appropriate contents there. Thoughts? Academica Orientalis ( talk) 15:29, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sino-American relations's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Census2010":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 鈿 07:08, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Much of the Bush Administration section of the history of relations section reads in the present tense. It seems to me that it should entirely be in the past tense, and perhaps updated, though I'm not the expert to do it. Kristofferjay ( talk) 19:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
This statement lacks neutrality: "China, the largest creditor of the world's sole superpower, has every right now to demand the United States address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets."
I think it may actually be a quote the author meant to integrate into the paragraph, but the formatting is inconsistent with the rest of the article so I probably misread it. I suggest changing it to read something like "On [date], [official's name] stated that [quotation]".
49.64.219.175 ( talk) 15:50, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Cool, l figured that was the case. 49.64.219.175 ( talk) 16:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
See the footnote sources before you undo. I deleted the CIA factbook entries due to bias. Namely, CIA is american, it is BAISED in favor of America. Britannica is an unbiased third party. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by Jc900 ( talk 鈥 contribs) 23:51, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
In the comparison tables, the cell is listed as "largest city". Perhaps change to "largest city proper (by population)"? I am proposing this only because I am interested in the actual specifications regarding the cities involved (Shanghai and Washington), and the cell was a little misleading.
This is only a trivial issue, so please disregard if you consider it unnecessary. Conversely, however, it's also a trivial change.(Although I do note that most articles on "Country X - Country Y relations" would have to be modified accordingly as well.) Thanks. 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.165.221 ( talk) 16:18, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
The sections "Cold War Relations" and "Communist State of Mainland China" have the same content... Are there any policies in Wikipedia that state that information cannot be repeated? BrandonWu ( talk) 02:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
>> US offers naval security aid to Asian nations >> Obama to host Dalai Lama at White House >> China summons US official in Dalai Lama row( Lihaas ( talk) 19:04, 16 December 2013 (UTC)).
I added a "Failed verification" ("not in citation given") tag in the "Country comparison" section, in the box for "Main religions" of China. Reasons:
Background info: The "Country comparison" section has been added and deleted from the article several times (e.g., 2 Nov 2008, 28-29 Aug 2010, 9-17 Sep 2010, 10 Nov 2010, 3 Apr 2011, 25 Jun 2011, 5 Jul 2011, 29 Aug 2012; see also Talk page section above, "Country comparaison table" [sic]). There was a previous unsourced version of "Main religions" for China (added 2 Nov 2008, deleted 12 Oct 2009). The current text was added by Makecat on 8 Nov 2012.
Suggestion: Either delete "Main religions" or use a better source (e.g., the China article cites pewforum.org). -- HLachman ( talk) 21:33, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
The article is hardly written by those in the United States, and seems to be written by Chinese who are upset at their own country, and understandably so. Anyways, I've checked the revision history as well as the references. I've made some changes to the syntax to focus on the topic of the article. Dark Liberty ( talk) 08:06, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Cannot be correctly be stated as Socialism or Marxism. A query on Google for "China authoritarian democracy" yields all top ten search results ranging from scholastic to NGOs on confirming that China is indeed not constrained by old textbook definitions. We can probably use some of these phrases from these sources in the article as well.
China Democratic Supporting an Authoritarian by T. Shi
china.praguesummerschools.org/files/china/6china2012.pdf
China at the Tipping Point? Authoritarianism and [Democratic Change]
http://www.journalofdemocracy.org/article/china-tipping-point-authoritarianism-and-contestation
Not the End Of History? Democracy vs Authoritarianism
http://www.theoligarch.com/democracy-authoritarianism.htm
"Warren Buffet... invest in authoritarian China rather than democratic India because..."
Democracy development and authoritarianism by Mark Beeson
http://www.academia.edu/542920/Democracy_development_and_authoritarianism
"On the contrary, the success of China's economic development may prove an attractive role model for encouraging democratisation."
China and the Authoritarian Model
http://www.academia.edu/239800/...
Can China be defined as an Authoritarian State?
http://www.e-ir.info/2011/02/04/can-china-be-defined-as-an-authoritarian-state/
"Despite all the evidence that China is an authoritarian power [there is] a system of indirect [democratic governance] at work in China."
Authoritarianism the Chinese way - Cato Institute
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/authoritarianism-chinese-way
"Others may think differently, of course. There is an ideological left in China, which opposes much of [privitisation]. Suspicion of America is particularly strong in the military. Washington trying to contain [China] could [lead to military confrontation]. It is [unknown about] Beijing鈥檚 future geopolitical ambitions." - Note: we can use this in the article.
Dark Liberty ( talk) 04:10, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
This section is for removed content, for reference.
In 2005, the state-owned Chinese National Offshore Oil Corporation attempted an $18.5 billion takeover of UNOCAL. The deal was rejected by the American government on the grounds that it threatened national security.
China also rejected a $2.4 billion bid from the The Coca-Cola Company for the Huiyuan Juice Group on the grounds that it would be a virtual monopoly, though nationalism was also thought to be a reason for aborting the deal.
Dark Liberty ( talk) 09:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=JHMWAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA129#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 05:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Academic and political views on China-United States relations from a leading experts from Xinhua University, University of Southern California, and Council on Foreign Relations.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJpsYrOji_A&feature=youtu.be&t=14m14s
Dark Liberty ( talk) 09:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
The name is Chinese鈥揢S relations or Sino-American relations. A move to the present name was voted on above and failed. No idea why it's here now, but it needs to go back to the ENGLISH COMMONNAME.聽鈥斅 LlywelynII 06:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Hasn't anyone noticed the glaring presence of the non-word "academicians" in the very first paragraph of the page?20:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC) 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 96.33.227.245 ( talk)
noun: academician; plural noun: academicians 1.North American an academic or intellectual. 2.a member of an academy, especially of the Royal Academy of Arts, the Acad茅mie Fran莽aise, or the Russian Academy of Sciences.
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Spotted an obvious error: the Taiping Rebellion caused millions of lives? Hans van der Meer 13:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC) 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Hvrmeer ( talk 鈥 contribs)
Americans from three U.S. news organizations, The New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal[3]
There are various SARS-2 related topics associated with US-PRC relations:
Trump attempts to blame China for the spread of the coronavirus by calling it the 鈥淐hina Virus,鈥 which, aside from being considered racially offensive and inaccurate, advocacy groups say has put Asian Americans at risk of retaliation. 鈥淚t鈥檚 not racist at all,鈥 Trump told reporters. 鈥淣o, not at all. It comes from China, that鈥檚 why. It comes from China. I want to be accurate.鈥
After the emergence of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), the World Health Organization (WHO) asked national authorities, scientists, and the media to not name a virus after people, a geographic location, a cultural group or even a species of animal, because that can stigmatize communities. Separately, a Chinese American news reporter said that a White House official referred to coronavirus as the 鈥淜ung-Flu鈥 to her face.
Also see List of incidents of xenophobia and racism related to the 2019鈥20 coronavirus pandemic.
X1\ ( talk) 22:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
As a political tactic?
The Trump administration blocked a joint statement from G-7 countries on the coronavirus by insisting that the U.N. Security Council refer to the pandemic as 鈥渢he Wuhan virus.鈥 The U.S. repeatedly tried to insert references to 鈥渢he outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in Wuhan, Hubei province in the People鈥檚 Republic of China (PRC) in November 2019鈥 into the joint statement. China, meanwhile, has consistently vetoed those efforts and accused the U.S. of 鈥渋rresponsible practices鈥 and of 鈥減oliticizing the outbreak and blaming China.鈥
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There's a nice repro of the U.S. Marines in China during the Boxer Rebellion but nothing about U.S. Marines presence in China during the Japanese occupation & resulting civil strife, c. 1927-1933. Smedley Butler was the commander of Marine forces sent to China to protect American interests in Beijing, & it was that event, among others, that soured Gen. Butler on a military presence to protect American corporate interests, which paid no U.S. taxes on profits in China & used & misused Chinese laborers.
One of Butler's acolytes in China was future Marine Corps Commandant, David M. Shoup, who shared Butler's dismal attitude toward the misuse of armed forces on behalf of American interests abroad. In fact, Shoup did two tours in China during the 1927-1933 period; he became convinced that one day we would be fighting the Japanese. BubbleDine ( talk) 18:28, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
"there has been a shift of low-end assembly industries to mainland China from newly industrialized countries in Asia." Yes. for cheapness but nothing to do with "*US Import Valuation Overcounts". What you should be saying is "Mainland China has increasingly become the last link in a long chain of value-added production. Because US trade data attributes the full value of a product to the final assembler, mainland Chinese value added is overcounted." [1] Also, The US-China trade war is forcing companies to shift their supply chain activities out of China, especially at the stages of final product assembly and finishing. Faced with the threat of high tariffs, those selling to the US are deliberating on the most cost-effective strategy. [2] 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by Mmmarkkk ( talk 鈥 contribs) 20:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
At the moment, 'United States criticism of China' seems to be a more fitting title for the whole thing. Because certainly, the relations are not just one-sided fears or condemnation from the US, with China ignoring them or avoiding rebuttals. I know Beijing sometimes likes to argue back with US foreign policy disasters in other places e.g. the Middle East ( http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-08/08/c_138293893.htm), & more domestically, possible accusations of CIA meddling and whatnot, although I haven't had the time to look up sources on those fronts. Leo Kinnaman ( talk) 05:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
There is a need in this article for neutrality of views, based on Wikipedia:NPOV. Wherefore, the unneccesary deletion of the political analysis of Stephen Roach, who weighed-in on the deterioration in US-Sino relations, is an important balance in this regard (see following edit):
The argument that "The material does not document the views of the government of the PRC" is a non-sequitur. The above edit is, therefore, being restored.
References
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This article is much too long and the solution is to break off the history sections into "History of China鈥揢nited States relations to 1948" which I am doing. Rjensen ( talk) 09:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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This should be re edited to show the country comparison since they're the two largest economies and leaving that out is lazy. 174.26.243.116 ( talk) 13:44, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
I propose deleting the extensive further reading section. It unnecessarily lengthens the article and adds little. We have hundreds of references in the article - my view is, if it's an important enough source, we should cite it in the body of the article. Furthermore, for a topic this extensive, it is difficult to curate an authoritative "further reading list" given the multiplicity of views and constant new publications.
Are there other views on this matter? JArthur1984 ( talk) 18:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)