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According to the HISTORY OF THE CHURCH by Joseph Smith Jr., Vol. 1, pg. 265, the adopted son (and twin of Julia Murdock Smith), Joseph S. Murdock, died from complications of a cold and measles on 29 March 1832. The footnote says he was "one day less than eleven months" old at the time which would place his birth as 30 April 1831. Since I don't have a birth date source in front of me I won't edit that. Ok, here it is: Vol. 1, pg. 260. "[Joseph S. and Julia] were born in Orange, Cuyahoga county, Ohio, April 30, 1831. Emma Smith, the Prophet's wife, had given birth to twins, a boy and a girl--on the same date." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.80.41 ( talk • contribs) 18:21, 18 October 2008
In the section above A Sniper makes a point that the Table in the "Allegations of children born to alleged polygamous wives" section is probmatice. The issues (as I read them from his comments are)
To play devils advocate, Wikipedia is not Truth. Just because it isn't true that some of all of them are not JS decadents is it Wikipedia:V that, at some point in time, some scholars and individuals believe that they were. It is verifiable that they were "Alleged" children. It can also be said that it is WP:POVish to remove them. There is a POV that polygamy started with Brigham Young and not JS. It can be argued that removing the Allegation is pushing that POV.
Personally, I think that A Sniper is correct that this page is not the place for this section. Unfortunately I don't feel qualified to make that call. So I will leave it with A Sniper and others to decide if Removing the table is correct or not.
However, I do have one idea that may solve this issue. What about renaming the page List of children of Joseph and Emma Smith and moving the Allegation table to List of the wives of Joseph Smith. That page is entrialy about "Possible" wives of JS. Even the four "source" of the possible wives don't agree on all. The table can be put at the bottom of that page as "Alleged of children born to alleged polygamous wives" and that table probably has more to do with that page then this one-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 15:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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According to the HISTORY OF THE CHURCH by Joseph Smith Jr., Vol. 1, pg. 265, the adopted son (and twin of Julia Murdock Smith), Joseph S. Murdock, died from complications of a cold and measles on 29 March 1832. The footnote says he was "one day less than eleven months" old at the time which would place his birth as 30 April 1831. Since I don't have a birth date source in front of me I won't edit that. Ok, here it is: Vol. 1, pg. 260. "[Joseph S. and Julia] were born in Orange, Cuyahoga county, Ohio, April 30, 1831. Emma Smith, the Prophet's wife, had given birth to twins, a boy and a girl--on the same date." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.80.41 ( talk • contribs) 18:21, 18 October 2008
In the section above A Sniper makes a point that the Table in the "Allegations of children born to alleged polygamous wives" section is probmatice. The issues (as I read them from his comments are)
To play devils advocate, Wikipedia is not Truth. Just because it isn't true that some of all of them are not JS decadents is it Wikipedia:V that, at some point in time, some scholars and individuals believe that they were. It is verifiable that they were "Alleged" children. It can also be said that it is WP:POVish to remove them. There is a POV that polygamy started with Brigham Young and not JS. It can be argued that removing the Allegation is pushing that POV.
Personally, I think that A Sniper is correct that this page is not the place for this section. Unfortunately I don't feel qualified to make that call. So I will leave it with A Sniper and others to decide if Removing the table is correct or not.
However, I do have one idea that may solve this issue. What about renaming the page List of children of Joseph and Emma Smith and moving the Allegation table to List of the wives of Joseph Smith. That page is entrialy about "Possible" wives of JS. Even the four "source" of the possible wives don't agree on all. The table can be put at the bottom of that page as "Alleged of children born to alleged polygamous wives" and that table probably has more to do with that page then this one-- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk/ contribs) 15:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)