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"Arthur's son, Prince Arthur of Connaught, was attending school at Eton with Prince Charles, and threatened to beat his cousin up if Charles did not accept the dukedom"- what is the source of this claim? Astrotrain 19:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps worded indelicately, but it's in the ODNB bio of Prince Arthur: In 1899 the death of his cousin Prince Alfred of Coburg raised the question of the succession to the dukedom of Coburg. The duke of Connaught was now heir apparent to this title, with Prince Arthur next in line. Connaught saw some merit in his son taking on the German title since as a prince of the United Kingdom he would receive no civil list income and yet be debarred from earning a living. Queen Victoria did not want him to leave his family, while the Kaiser objected to Connaught, his uncle. Young Prince Arthur refused to leave Eton. He threatened his cousin Charles Edward, duke of Albany, with a thrashing if he did not offer himself as a candidate. Under pressure, Albany surrendered his English nationality and duly succeeded as duke of Coburg, with lamentable consequences for himself when war broke out between England and Germany. john k 20:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Tabloid write-up:
Open4D 07:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
the is article isn't netural —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.87.193.40 ( talk • contribs)
"Most of his properties in Saxony and Coburg were seized by the Soviet army" can't be true with respect to Coburg since Coburg was never under soviet occupation (it forms part of Bavaria since 1920, which was under American occupation). The family has property there till now (plus property in Austria plus property in Thuringia they got back after 1990). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.137.113.174 ( talk) 00:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
It is perhaps not critical, except to the victims, but T4 was a euthanasia program for the mentally disabled, not an experimentation programme. Experimentation certainly occurred, but I do not think there was a specific action number applied to it. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 22:35, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Rank insignia of a gruppenführer not an Obergruppenführer ? Regards Gryphonis ( talk) 08:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I just noticed that the ref I used yesterday in turn references the German WP article. This has only a few inline cits. I will try to find RS for the content. Drow69 ( talk) 09:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
The article states: "He attended the funeral of his first cousin George V as Hitler's representative[30] in the uniform of a Stormtrooper (SA) general[31] of the German army (...)" There must be something wrong with this sentence as the SA (Sturmabteilung, "Stormtrooper unit") was part of the Nazi-party, the NSDAP. It was never part of the German army. So he must have either used the uniform of the army, or that of the SA. As the article says that he was member of the party and the SA, I suggest that the four words "of the German army" should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:1040:2494:C51C:744:6879:E612 ( talk) 20:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
"According to his sister, after Lyndhurst he went to Eton, where he was in Arthur Benson's House." The Arthur Benson to whom this links was 23 years younger. An alternate candidate might be AC Benson who taught at Eton during the time Charles Edward was there, but I have no access to the reference. Cross Reference ( talk) 04:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Bruxton
talk 19:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Created by Llewee ( talk). Self-nominated at 12:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Per the invitation on my talk (last year), I'll read the article as an informal peer review, lead and infobox details last.
General:
Lead
Images
Foreign text
Urbach
History
His name
Emperor's name
Details
Early life ...
-- Llewee ( talk) 17:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)As one of Queen Victoria’s many grandsons, Charles Edward was expected to lead a privileged and unspectacular life. Had he stayed in England, he could have joined one of the fighting services, or he could have lived as a gentleman of leisure.
Accession ...
German Red Cross
Unofficial diplomat
That's it for today, - no more time for more detail. Feel free to discuss each bullet right there, with short signatures. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for following. I fixed indenting: replies to a bullet should repeat the bullet. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Lead
I finally had time to read the lead again, and am happy with its expansion towards more detail. Minor things:
See you at PR. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:42, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Very good work. I have some suggestions too:
That's it for now. Surtsicna ( talk) 17:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Llewee, the article should name the son and son-in-law who were killed in action. Links cannot replace names. Who is the son-in-law? Judging by the dates of deaths of his various sons-in-law, it can be either Caroline Mathilde's ex-husband, Friedrich Wolfgang Otto Graf zu Castell-Rüdenhausen, or second husband, Max Schnirring. Surtsicna ( talk) 18:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
I think that in English he is now known as "(Kaiser) Wilhelm (II)"—keeping "William II" for a Norman king of England. Errantios ( talk) 14:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
I think it is essential that a reader of this article have easy access to info about his children, more than just their linked names. Now that all that has been removed when the table on it was blitzed, should one really have to follow a number of links to find out e.g. that this man was the maternal grandfather of the current king of Sweden? At least in that country, it's rather a big deal due to his political involvement. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 16:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
"Arthur's son, Prince Arthur of Connaught, was attending school at Eton with Prince Charles, and threatened to beat his cousin up if Charles did not accept the dukedom"- what is the source of this claim? Astrotrain 19:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps worded indelicately, but it's in the ODNB bio of Prince Arthur: In 1899 the death of his cousin Prince Alfred of Coburg raised the question of the succession to the dukedom of Coburg. The duke of Connaught was now heir apparent to this title, with Prince Arthur next in line. Connaught saw some merit in his son taking on the German title since as a prince of the United Kingdom he would receive no civil list income and yet be debarred from earning a living. Queen Victoria did not want him to leave his family, while the Kaiser objected to Connaught, his uncle. Young Prince Arthur refused to leave Eton. He threatened his cousin Charles Edward, duke of Albany, with a thrashing if he did not offer himself as a candidate. Under pressure, Albany surrendered his English nationality and duly succeeded as duke of Coburg, with lamentable consequences for himself when war broke out between England and Germany. john k 20:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Tabloid write-up:
Open4D 07:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
the is article isn't netural —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.87.193.40 ( talk • contribs)
"Most of his properties in Saxony and Coburg were seized by the Soviet army" can't be true with respect to Coburg since Coburg was never under soviet occupation (it forms part of Bavaria since 1920, which was under American occupation). The family has property there till now (plus property in Austria plus property in Thuringia they got back after 1990). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.137.113.174 ( talk) 00:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
It is perhaps not critical, except to the victims, but T4 was a euthanasia program for the mentally disabled, not an experimentation programme. Experimentation certainly occurred, but I do not think there was a specific action number applied to it. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 22:35, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Rank insignia of a gruppenführer not an Obergruppenführer ? Regards Gryphonis ( talk) 08:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I just noticed that the ref I used yesterday in turn references the German WP article. This has only a few inline cits. I will try to find RS for the content. Drow69 ( talk) 09:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
The article states: "He attended the funeral of his first cousin George V as Hitler's representative[30] in the uniform of a Stormtrooper (SA) general[31] of the German army (...)" There must be something wrong with this sentence as the SA (Sturmabteilung, "Stormtrooper unit") was part of the Nazi-party, the NSDAP. It was never part of the German army. So he must have either used the uniform of the army, or that of the SA. As the article says that he was member of the party and the SA, I suggest that the four words "of the German army" should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810B:1040:2494:C51C:744:6879:E612 ( talk) 20:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
"According to his sister, after Lyndhurst he went to Eton, where he was in Arthur Benson's House." The Arthur Benson to whom this links was 23 years younger. An alternate candidate might be AC Benson who taught at Eton during the time Charles Edward was there, but I have no access to the reference. Cross Reference ( talk) 04:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Bruxton
talk 19:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Created by Llewee ( talk). Self-nominated at 12:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Per the invitation on my talk (last year), I'll read the article as an informal peer review, lead and infobox details last.
General:
Lead
Images
Foreign text
Urbach
History
His name
Emperor's name
Details
Early life ...
-- Llewee ( talk) 17:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)As one of Queen Victoria’s many grandsons, Charles Edward was expected to lead a privileged and unspectacular life. Had he stayed in England, he could have joined one of the fighting services, or he could have lived as a gentleman of leisure.
Accession ...
German Red Cross
Unofficial diplomat
That's it for today, - no more time for more detail. Feel free to discuss each bullet right there, with short signatures. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for following. I fixed indenting: replies to a bullet should repeat the bullet. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Lead
I finally had time to read the lead again, and am happy with its expansion towards more detail. Minor things:
See you at PR. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:42, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Very good work. I have some suggestions too:
That's it for now. Surtsicna ( talk) 17:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Llewee, the article should name the son and son-in-law who were killed in action. Links cannot replace names. Who is the son-in-law? Judging by the dates of deaths of his various sons-in-law, it can be either Caroline Mathilde's ex-husband, Friedrich Wolfgang Otto Graf zu Castell-Rüdenhausen, or second husband, Max Schnirring. Surtsicna ( talk) 18:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
I think that in English he is now known as "(Kaiser) Wilhelm (II)"—keeping "William II" for a Norman king of England. Errantios ( talk) 14:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
I think it is essential that a reader of this article have easy access to info about his children, more than just their linked names. Now that all that has been removed when the table on it was blitzed, should one really have to follow a number of links to find out e.g. that this man was the maternal grandfather of the current king of Sweden? At least in that country, it's rather a big deal due to his political involvement. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 16:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)