Catholic Church in Sichuan is currently a Philosophy and religion good article nominee. Nominated by Uriel1022 ( talk) at 15:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer. Short description: History and status of the Roman Catholic Church in Sichuan |
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Created by Uriel1022 ( talk). Self-nominated at 00:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC).
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Nominator: Uriel1022 ( talk · contribs) 15:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Pbritti ( talk · contribs) 18:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello! It's
Pbritti. While I'm monolingual, I think using some machine translations to stumble through the sources will be enough for me to give a decent review. Please ping me on my talk page if you need an immediate response. This review will get underway in sincerity sometime in the next 24 hours. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 18:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Hey! I ended up on a plane today so my edits have all been by mobile (so is this one!). However, I wanted to initially note that the sources you've used are generally strong and I don't anticipate any issues stemming directly from your use of any of them. I did sense some discrepancies in how you term some proper nouns and would encourage consistency. For example, names like "Sichuanese Church" are readily understandable to someone familiar with Catholic terminology. However, solitary use of such a term without definition, especially in the lead, can be confusing. The same could be said in the use of "Catholic" and "Roman Catholic". Either of those terms are acceptable, but I would prefer you select just one to use consistently. Otherwise, my initial read-through was enjoyable and my future comments will be mostly about peripheral matters. Expect them sometime in the next 24 hours. Best, ~ Pbritti ( talk) 22:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Ecclesia Catholica in Seciuen or SecioanAre there instances in which the church in the region is referred to as such in Latin? Presumably it's in D'Elia, but I don't have access to that source. Willing to just AGF and enjoy the Latin.
personae non grataeGood work pluralizing that; consider linking the term, just as it is a bit of a technical term.
received baptism the following year, who were the first Catholics in SichuanI would suggest the more normative term were baptized (even if the sacramental theology suggests received is the better word). I would add that technically Buglio is the first Catholic in the region, so perhaps reorder the wording to say "first Sichuanese Catholics".
the then intendant of Eastern Sichuan CircuitConsider rephrasing to "then the intendant of the Eastern Sichuan Circuit"
of converts in Baoning, CandidaReplace comma with a full stop
invited a French Jesuit priest Claude MotelEither put commas around
Claude Motelor exchange
afor "the" (my preference)
The Lyonese Jean BassetWas he a priest or a layman?
the Loswith "the Lo family" and describe who they were
Kou was a BeijingeseRephrase. If he was a Beijingese convert, say so. If not, rephrase to "Kou was Beijingese" (the definite article is unneeded).
The latter visitedRephrase to "De Martiliat visited"
she was over 50Perhaps say "over 50 years old". Numbers up to a hundred are spelled out in most other instances in the article, so consider replacing with "fifty".
during the eighteenth centuryUse "during the 18th century"
The decisions refer primarily to the pastoral care of the sacraments. Chapter 10Please indicate that the decisions were published, as a person unfamiliar with the concept of a local synod might not be familiar with that practice
In 1815, Dufresse was arrested and beheadedThis event requires elaboration to indicate why it happened and who performed the actions
the "discoverer" of the pandasPresumably you're saying he was the first Westerner to learn about pandas. Add a one- or two-word modifier that indicates the reason for the quotation marks and drop the definite article in front of pandas.
Pleased to see this getting GAR. A few minor thoughts on the subject, as I am limiting myself to one published edit per day. Pbritti can put their main review on top of this subsection.
That's as much as I have–I am not going to add any more in this GAR. Take them as funny thoughts, not requirements. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather ( talk) 19:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Issue 4: already mentioned in the lede, "after the lifting of missionary controls in 1858". Issue 7: CCPA and BCCCC's governance over Sichuan is included in the infobox. Uriel1022 ( talk) 21:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Ok, some bad news, Uriel1022. I was planning to perform a spotcheck on sources tonight and had to get started a bit later than planned (yikes–this review may end up getting completed this weekend, for which I am sorry). The more unfortunate part, however, is a major concern: there is a close paraphrasing issue evident in the lead: material referenced to Sichuan Religions is far too closely paraphrased. Some sentences are identically structured and utilize identical verbiage despite it being somewhat less formal than might be traditionally expected on Wikipedia. This is a significant issue. Using Earwig, I can already see a couple other instances: Cambridge and UCA News. Right now, it looks like there are around a dozen sentences throughout the article that lift verbatim or largely from sources but aren't quoted. This is a significant concern but does not automatically derail the nomination. I will get back to you more as soon as I am off work for the week. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 02:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Catholic Church in Sichuan is currently a Philosophy and religion good article nominee. Nominated by Uriel1022 ( talk) at 15:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer. Short description: History and status of the Roman Catholic Church in Sichuan |
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A fact from Catholic Church in Sichuan appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 1 October 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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The result was: promoted by
RoySmith (
talk) 22:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Created by Uriel1022 ( talk). Self-nominated at 00:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC).
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Reviewing |
Nominator: Uriel1022 ( talk · contribs) 15:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Pbritti ( talk · contribs) 18:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello! It's
Pbritti. While I'm monolingual, I think using some machine translations to stumble through the sources will be enough for me to give a decent review. Please ping me on my talk page if you need an immediate response. This review will get underway in sincerity sometime in the next 24 hours. ~
Pbritti (
talk) 18:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Hey! I ended up on a plane today so my edits have all been by mobile (so is this one!). However, I wanted to initially note that the sources you've used are generally strong and I don't anticipate any issues stemming directly from your use of any of them. I did sense some discrepancies in how you term some proper nouns and would encourage consistency. For example, names like "Sichuanese Church" are readily understandable to someone familiar with Catholic terminology. However, solitary use of such a term without definition, especially in the lead, can be confusing. The same could be said in the use of "Catholic" and "Roman Catholic". Either of those terms are acceptable, but I would prefer you select just one to use consistently. Otherwise, my initial read-through was enjoyable and my future comments will be mostly about peripheral matters. Expect them sometime in the next 24 hours. Best, ~ Pbritti ( talk) 22:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Ecclesia Catholica in Seciuen or SecioanAre there instances in which the church in the region is referred to as such in Latin? Presumably it's in D'Elia, but I don't have access to that source. Willing to just AGF and enjoy the Latin.
personae non grataeGood work pluralizing that; consider linking the term, just as it is a bit of a technical term.
received baptism the following year, who were the first Catholics in SichuanI would suggest the more normative term were baptized (even if the sacramental theology suggests received is the better word). I would add that technically Buglio is the first Catholic in the region, so perhaps reorder the wording to say "first Sichuanese Catholics".
the then intendant of Eastern Sichuan CircuitConsider rephrasing to "then the intendant of the Eastern Sichuan Circuit"
of converts in Baoning, CandidaReplace comma with a full stop
invited a French Jesuit priest Claude MotelEither put commas around
Claude Motelor exchange
afor "the" (my preference)
The Lyonese Jean BassetWas he a priest or a layman?
the Loswith "the Lo family" and describe who they were
Kou was a BeijingeseRephrase. If he was a Beijingese convert, say so. If not, rephrase to "Kou was Beijingese" (the definite article is unneeded).
The latter visitedRephrase to "De Martiliat visited"
she was over 50Perhaps say "over 50 years old". Numbers up to a hundred are spelled out in most other instances in the article, so consider replacing with "fifty".
during the eighteenth centuryUse "during the 18th century"
The decisions refer primarily to the pastoral care of the sacraments. Chapter 10Please indicate that the decisions were published, as a person unfamiliar with the concept of a local synod might not be familiar with that practice
In 1815, Dufresse was arrested and beheadedThis event requires elaboration to indicate why it happened and who performed the actions
the "discoverer" of the pandasPresumably you're saying he was the first Westerner to learn about pandas. Add a one- or two-word modifier that indicates the reason for the quotation marks and drop the definite article in front of pandas.
Pleased to see this getting GAR. A few minor thoughts on the subject, as I am limiting myself to one published edit per day. Pbritti can put their main review on top of this subsection.
That's as much as I have–I am not going to add any more in this GAR. Take them as funny thoughts, not requirements. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather ( talk) 19:36, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Issue 4: already mentioned in the lede, "after the lifting of missionary controls in 1858". Issue 7: CCPA and BCCCC's governance over Sichuan is included in the infobox. Uriel1022 ( talk) 21:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Ok, some bad news, Uriel1022. I was planning to perform a spotcheck on sources tonight and had to get started a bit later than planned (yikes–this review may end up getting completed this weekend, for which I am sorry). The more unfortunate part, however, is a major concern: there is a close paraphrasing issue evident in the lead: material referenced to Sichuan Religions is far too closely paraphrased. Some sentences are identically structured and utilize identical verbiage despite it being somewhat less formal than might be traditionally expected on Wikipedia. This is a significant issue. Using Earwig, I can already see a couple other instances: Cambridge and UCA News. Right now, it looks like there are around a dozen sentences throughout the article that lift verbatim or largely from sources but aren't quoted. This is a significant concern but does not automatically derail the nomination. I will get back to you more as soon as I am off work for the week. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 02:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)