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Added to the cleanup list. 68.81.164.226 04:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I think this article is written by a foreign speaker, likely Russian (or Possibly German based on the writer's usage of English, and mostly needs work on standardizing the language. We would do better to encourage people who are not native English speakers to add articles on their fields of expertise and interest and fix them to encourage content. I worked on it a little bit and the article reads better now and has more links. NKB 2/16/06
Is it just me or is this a little difficult to read, lots of short sentences rather than paragraphs flowing nicely...I don't intend on changing it just wondering if anyone agreed. Is not a bad article anyway :) -- Cory 14:03, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
agreed...i noticed several choppy sentences & a couple run-ons. could definitely be edited to flow better. i'm no english professor, so i'll leave that to someone else. also - one discrepancy which bugs me a bit:
'This sub species of tigers, the smallest in size became extinct...'
and
'The Caspian tiger was the second largest tiger...'
i suppose the first reference is to population size, while the second is to physical characteristics…but i’d like to have that verified.
~~ ajp100688
The Habits section (now renamed Habits/Mating) has been tidied up, the choppy sentences have been merged and tweaked so they now run more fluidly into each other and it's much less stop-start.
As for the size conflict, that I am not sure of, from the picture shown the Tiger does not appear to be a great size in contrast to the Siberian breed. I'd be more likely to think the initial comment refered to it's physical size, and the second largest comment was about it's range especially when taking this into account:
"The Caspian tiger, Panthera tigris virgata, has become extinct in the past 50 years. It once ranged throughout the humid forests and grasslands of afghanistan, iran, mongolia, Turkey and the central Asiatic areas of Russia." - -- User:ajp100688 14:05, 18 June 2005
ping 08:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Echad 05:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC) Men, are you really into this? I mean, "neutrality of a TIGER article?" What next, an organization against anti-Tigrism? People, don't be so childish, this is (supposed to be) serious recource!
Whay turan tiger is acceptable .while never been an area in the world called turan.exept epuc of booj of ferdowsi.as an imaginary land.and turan tuger never been mentioned in any book .while persia or iran was the main country of these tigers .more than 90 of these tigers lived in iran south of caspian sea . Bahmanrajabiun ( talk) 22:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
I had to remove three sentences that were copy-pasted from one of the PubMed articles. I don't know how much more of this article was plagiarized, but this needs to be investigated and cleaned up. 209.162.56.112 ( talk) 18:13, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Its a bit crazy that this page has so much information and yet only ONE reference- I've added a "more sources needed" tag in light of this, hopefully it will facilitate some remedial action in this area. At present this article is almost worthless in terms of verifiability because its so poorly referenced. Kotare 09:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a question about the content: there is a stuffed Caspian Tiger in the museum at Nukus, Uzbekistan, which was allegedly killed in 1972. This isn't mentioned and casts doubt on most of the points made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavinevans ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The clMes of tigers in iraq .turkey Afghanistan is a myth not recorded any where .theclast tigers in the wild recorded in iran only. Bahmanrajabiun ( talk) 22:32, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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Leo1pard ( talk) 13:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
The information in this section of the article is not (yet) referenced. Therefore, I place the following paragraphs here for the time being. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 10:24, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
The first opening sentence describes the subspecies as being extinct. The last sentence in the opening paragraph is currently "There are no individuals in captivity". Isn't this stating the obvious, considering it has already been established in the first sentence that the subspecies is extinct? I propose to remove that sentence if there are no objections. Comments? Garth of the Forest ( talk) 19:51, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
In light of new discoveries, this article should be merged with the Siberian tiger article. Mariomassone ( talk) 13:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. Where is the scientific consensus that this animal should be re-classified as P. t. altaica? There needs to be more than one article saying this. I read just one, suggesting a possible merger and outright saying the case needs more evidence from nuclear DNA first. They may well end up merged, but this has not happened yet that I can see. And if they were merged P. t. virgata would be the senior name anyway. 209.162.56.112 ( talk) 18:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
This is my first contribution to the world of Wikipedia so please bear with me, and in light of much of what I have read on the Wiki-Tiger discussion page alone: Please be polite to me, assume my good faith, avoid attacking me personally, and be welcoming.
I am concerned with this general article on tigers and with the articles on the Siberian/Amur tiger (P. t. altaica) and Caspian Tiger (P. t. virgata). Quoting a source that I found cited on this very page (
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0004125), recent research involving mitochondrial molecular genetics seems to be uncovering possible historic errors made in taxonomic subspecies definitions:
The article goes on to describe how these new research results seem to indicate that that the Siberian subspecies is genetically so close to the Caspian subspecies as for them to be considered one and the same:
The article concludes that in light of this new information there was a historical mistake in designating a new subspecies for the extant population found in far eastern Russia; in fact there never was a Siberian tiger subspecies.
I would be most certainly in favor of keeping the Siberian Tiger subspecies page as many people will be looking to find a "Siberian tiger" page for years to come, but facts are facts; the Caspian tiger is still alive in far eastern Russia and the Siberian tiger subspecies never existed. I rely on Wikipedia daily for information, and I expect it to be accurate. But I have to say that certainly somebody with more Wiki experience than me has to undertake this project, and based on what I have read on the Wiki-Tiger discussion page it needs to be someone with Wiki-clout.
In postscript: I apologize for the excessive long entry, and my probable inability to format my entry properly (
Altalaya (
talk) 21:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)).
The page Masai lion mentions that it has 2 trinomial names: P. l. massaica and P. l. nubica, and that of Cape lion says that the 'black-maned' Cape lion could be considered as a population of the Transvaal lion, due to their close relationship, even though the latter 2 articles have been kept separate. Leo1pard ( talk) 17:39, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Iranian and Russian ecologists are planning a joint project designed to return to the wild the Caspian Tigers as well as Asiatic Cheetahs in the Central Asian region. These big cats had disappeared, the Asiatic Cheetah from Russia and Caspian Tiger from Iran, some half a century ago. Latest genetic studies have shown that the Russian or Amur Tiger is related and virtually identical to the extinct Caspian Tigers and hence will be used to repopulated the Caspian Tiger range in exchange for Asiatic Cheetahs. [1] [2]
Iran, Russia Hope to Revive Extinct Big Cats Asiatiac Cheetah and Caspian Tiger
01/09/2010; Source: Press TV; Payvand Iran News
Iranian and Russian ecologists have announced ambitious plans to return Caspian Tigers as well as Asiatic cheetahs, which disappeared some half a century ago in their countries, to the wild.
PHOTO: Asiatic cheetah
A delegation of Russian ecologists headed by Deputy Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology of the Russian Federation Sergey Donskoy arrived in Tehran a week ago to discuss avenues to reestablish the wild cats.
During the meeting, the Iranian ecologists shed light on the prospect of repopulating the jungles in northern Iran with extraordinary Caspian Tiger, which became extinct over 40 years ago.
This is while through modern genetic analysis it has been discovered the Caspian Tiger and the Siberian Tiger, still in existence, are separated by only one letter of genetic code. The Caspian Tiger can be reestablished by using their relative, the Siberian Tiger.
Russian and international conservation groups banned hunting of tiger in 1947, but it was too late for the Caspian Tiger to make a recovery. Poaching and contributing factors wiped out the majestic cat. Conservation efforts, however, did help to protect and stabilize the Siberian Tiger. Fortunately, the subspecies commingling in the distant past will allow the Caspian Tiger to once again take its rightful place in the family tree of tigers.
PHOTO: Caspian Tiger
The Russian ecologist asked for Iranian assistance in revival of Asiatic cheetahs in the northern Caucasus region.
Described as powerful and graceful hunters, cheetahs are the world's fastest animal and easy to train. Cheetahs were trained by ancient Persian kings, who used them to hunt gazelles.
Recognizing the cats' precarious situation, Iran's Department of Environment has worked with the UN Development Program-Global Environment Facility and Wildlife Conservation Society in New York since 2001 to save the only 50 to 60 Asiatic cheetahs which live in the Dasht-e Kavir region of Iran.
Payvand News - 01/09/10
SOURCE: http://www.payvand.com/news/10/jan/1082.html
mrigthrishna (
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A user named Leo1pard has posted a lot of false and unnecessary on this page, yet attempts to remove it were met with simply restoring said information. The most obvious being their false claim that lions are the same size as the largest tiger species, which goes against common knowledge and facts. They also add hybrids such as ligers, which is unnecessary and is mentioned on the liger article. They also claim that the Caspian tiger is merely "believed" to be extinct rather than officially extinct. And finally they link to the Tiger vs Lion page, which, given their other edits and comments, suggest their true motivation for these edits. Can someone please fix this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.173.175 ( talk) 16:56, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
This is to say that information represented in a way that it would look like original research has been edited, so that there is no OR in it, but at the same time, multiple references have been used to eliminate bias, instead of one reference by Mazák, who did not seem to know about lions weighing 225–249.5 kg (496–550 lb) or more, or about hybrids like ligers, which can outweigh tigers. Leo1pard ( talk) 14:44, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I now understand that lions could rival even Bengal, Caspian and Siberian tigers in weight, depending on the population or subspecies. What knowledge or understanding I had about lions and tigers 2 years ago is little compared to what I have now. Leo1pard ( talk) 18:08, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
How many people noticed that the Bengal tiger was not the only population, if not subspecies of Panthera tigris, that coexisted with the Asiatic lion, considering that the latter was recorded in places where the Caspian tiger had been, such as northern Iran [1] and Khaurism? [2] [3]
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Leo1pard ( talk) 13:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that there is a moderate level of detail on the origin and distribution of the Caspian tiger, however there is room to expand on its expansion and range, especially before the 20th Century. This is especially due as the Caspian Tiger ranged north of the Black Sea (into Eastern Europe) as late as the Middle Ages, as per some of the sources below. As I have perpetual exams at the moment, I am going to leave these sources here to substantiate this article in the future, as this is an important element of the Caspian tiger's evolutionary history. I would be very grateful if anyone with the time could integrate relevant information/discussion from the sources below.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ddi.12484/full
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/5/e1400175.full
http://www.audubon.org/news/the-last-wild-tigers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2624500/#pone.0004125-Kitchener1
Search on google the following WWF documents-
(Turanian Tiger- Analysis of Modern Situation PDF) +
(Pre-Feasibility Study on the Possible Restoration of the Caspian Tiger PDF)
SuperTah ( talk) 03:39, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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Leo1pard ( talk) 13:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
There is some inconsistency in Masseti (2009)'s article about carnivores in Syria: he claims tiger records in the Turkish Hatay Province with reference to Baytop (1974) and Kock (1990). But Kock (1990) did not mention ANY record in that province, and Baytop (1974) accounted of a skin obtained in Hakkari Province, which is much farther east. Also Masseti (2009) claims "archaeological evidence for the occurrence of tigers in the Amuq valley" with reference to Ellerman and Morrison-Scott (1951), whereas these authors did not mention such evidence. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 12:34, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Firstly, Mount Ararat and Hakkari Province are in the Eastern Anatolia Region, so this cannot be the westernmost distribution in Anatolia or Turkey. Secondly, Kirk (2002) said " Asia Minor or Anatolia (today's Turkey) is a natural bridge connecting Europe and Asia (Figure 1). This region was historically home to a diverse group of carnivores such as the Caspian tiger (Panthera tigris virgata), the Asiatic lion (Panthera leo persica) gray wolf (Canis lupus), striped hyena (Hyaena hyaena), brown bear (Ursus arctos), Anatolian leopard (Panthera pardus tulliana), Eurasian lynx (Lynx lynx), caracal (Felis caracal), Eurasian otter (Lutra lutra), golden jackal (Canis aureus), red fox (Vulpes vulpes), European wildcat (Felis silvestris caucasica), pine marten (Martes martes) and other smaller mustelid species (BPPC and EEII 2002). During the nine-teenth and twentieth centuries, some of these species were completely extirpated from the region or became rare due to indiscriminate hunting and habitat destruction. Anatolia's last Asiatic lion was reportedly shot in the Birecek forestlands of eastern Turkey (Turkiye Avcilari 2002; Yesil Atlas 2002). One of the last pairs of Caspian tigers is recorded as having been killed in 1943 on the Selcuk Plain in southwestern Turkey (Duygu 2002). Although there are still unconfirmed sightings and signs of the sub-species in eastern Turkey, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan (Lairweb 2002), unsubstantiated reports indicate Anatolia's last tiger was killed near Uludere, in southeastern Turkey's Hakkari Province in 1970," [1] and I even referenced Duygu (2002) when talking about Selçuk Plain, so why was this changed? Leo1pard ( talk) 18:42, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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Leo1pard ( talk) 18:42, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
While cadpuan tiger mistly exusted iran .about mire than 90 percent if these tigers.and u doubt its even exusted in turkey or iraq ever .whay name if iran is not mentioned in the introduction part.and turkey can be seen in evert text of thus topic ? I guess thus text us anti iranian and fraud of real origin of thus exunct animal. Bahmanrajabiun ( talk) 20:30, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Iran was shiwn in the map .but the text more taljs about tigers in turkey.iraq caucasia.while most if the tigers were in iran south if caspuan sea .and name virgata comes from varkan old persian name for maxandaran and golestan and gilan provinces of iran exclusively. as welk as hirkan which us greek form of persian varkan. Bahmanrajabiun ( talk) 22:41, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Apart from the controversy over whether or not the IUCN's view is actually valid, I know that the IUCN proposed that tigers be grouped into P. t. tigris and P. t. sondaica, but does that mean that we should say that the IUCN is saying that the Caspian tiger is a population of the "Bengal tiger subspecies," which is commonly understood to mean tigers in South Asia, instead of the "Asian Mainland tiger subspecies"? Leo1pard ( talk) 04:07, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
My reply does not need repetition and is in Talk:Cape lion#Ethiopian lion. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 14:37, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
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The Addis Ababa zoo lions have dark manes and small bodies, unlike other African lions. But life in captivity can sometimes influence appearance. A team of researchers, led by the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany and the University of York in the UK, checked to see if the lions really are different by comparing DNA samples of 15 lions from the zoo to six populations of wild lions. Their genetic analysis revealed that the gene sequence of all fifteen lions were unique and showed little sign of inbreeding. The study was recently published in the European Journal of Wildlife Research.
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See this. Leo1pard ( talk) 05:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Panthera tigris virgata is Caspian tiger & panthera tigris tigris is Bengal tiger Study more please and then try to edit the truth! Fargol1993 ( talk) 11:30, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
I would send you the 2019 link if Wikipedia didn't erase comments contained links. You can insist on it at last I will save my time not talking to a Nobody that does not dare to mention identity. Everybody can find it easily & figure out that Wikipedia is not reliable due to you "nonames" information editors.have fun:) Fargol1993 ( talk) 17:03, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
The Caspian tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) was a tiger population which lived ...it is misleadingly implying equivalence between the Caspian tiger and the subspecies, when the former is a subset of the latter. Perhaps it would be better to have something like
The Caspian tiger was a population of the mainland tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) which lived ... It was traditionally recognised as a distinct subpecies, Panthera tigris virgata, but recent studies .... The obvious difficultly is how to refer to the mainland subspecies as it has no recognised subspecies name. Jts1882 | talk 07:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Caspian tiger (Panthera tigris virgata)and possibly a few other websites too. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 08:49, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
The XX tiger is/was a Panthera tigris tigris population in ...where XX is replaced by Caspian, Siberian, Bengal, Indochinese, South China ... in respective pages ?? -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 08:49, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
See Talk:Bengal_tiger#First_sentence_structure. AnomalousAtom ( talk) 08:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of a taxobox is to show the classification of the taxon that is the subject of the article. The article is about a population with the informal name "Caspian tiger". It is not about the subspecies, whether or not this is accepted by reliable sources. A manual taxobox with the population below some accepted rank is one solution. Another is no taxobox, on the grounds that Caspian tigers are not a distinct taxon at a rank accepted by the ICZN. A taxobox targeting a parent of the subject of the article is simply wrong, here or in any other article. It also messes up the placement of an extinct marker, as Jts1882 pointed out at Wikipedia talk:Automated taxobox system/Archive 4#Bug?. Peter coxhead ( talk) 21:41, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
We had this discussion about the correct infobox elsewhere. @ Jts1882: would you please comment. – BhagyaMani ( talk) 18:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC). To date, the subspecies box is used on ALL the pages on tiger populations. – BhagyaMani ( talk) 19:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
@ SilverTiger12 and BhagyaMani: I am frankly baffled by why editors keep changing the taxobox. The article begins "The Caspian tiger was a Panthera tigris tigris population ... This population was regarded as a distinct subspecies and assessed as extinct in 2003." So:
A taxobox with the target Panthera tigris tigris belongs at the article Panthera tigris tigris. Just because all the other articles about populations of this subspecies have a wrong taxobox does not mean that this one should have too. Peter coxhead ( talk) 07:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
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Added to the cleanup list. 68.81.164.226 04:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I think this article is written by a foreign speaker, likely Russian (or Possibly German based on the writer's usage of English, and mostly needs work on standardizing the language. We would do better to encourage people who are not native English speakers to add articles on their fields of expertise and interest and fix them to encourage content. I worked on it a little bit and the article reads better now and has more links. NKB 2/16/06
Is it just me or is this a little difficult to read, lots of short sentences rather than paragraphs flowing nicely...I don't intend on changing it just wondering if anyone agreed. Is not a bad article anyway :) -- Cory 14:03, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
agreed...i noticed several choppy sentences & a couple run-ons. could definitely be edited to flow better. i'm no english professor, so i'll leave that to someone else. also - one discrepancy which bugs me a bit:
'This sub species of tigers, the smallest in size became extinct...'
and
'The Caspian tiger was the second largest tiger...'
i suppose the first reference is to population size, while the second is to physical characteristics…but i’d like to have that verified.
~~ ajp100688
The Habits section (now renamed Habits/Mating) has been tidied up, the choppy sentences have been merged and tweaked so they now run more fluidly into each other and it's much less stop-start.
As for the size conflict, that I am not sure of, from the picture shown the Tiger does not appear to be a great size in contrast to the Siberian breed. I'd be more likely to think the initial comment refered to it's physical size, and the second largest comment was about it's range especially when taking this into account:
"The Caspian tiger, Panthera tigris virgata, has become extinct in the past 50 years. It once ranged throughout the humid forests and grasslands of afghanistan, iran, mongolia, Turkey and the central Asiatic areas of Russia." - -- User:ajp100688 14:05, 18 June 2005
ping 08:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Echad 05:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC) Men, are you really into this? I mean, "neutrality of a TIGER article?" What next, an organization against anti-Tigrism? People, don't be so childish, this is (supposed to be) serious recource!
Whay turan tiger is acceptable .while never been an area in the world called turan.exept epuc of booj of ferdowsi.as an imaginary land.and turan tuger never been mentioned in any book .while persia or iran was the main country of these tigers .more than 90 of these tigers lived in iran south of caspian sea . Bahmanrajabiun ( talk) 22:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
I had to remove three sentences that were copy-pasted from one of the PubMed articles. I don't know how much more of this article was plagiarized, but this needs to be investigated and cleaned up. 209.162.56.112 ( talk) 18:13, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Its a bit crazy that this page has so much information and yet only ONE reference- I've added a "more sources needed" tag in light of this, hopefully it will facilitate some remedial action in this area. At present this article is almost worthless in terms of verifiability because its so poorly referenced. Kotare 09:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a question about the content: there is a stuffed Caspian Tiger in the museum at Nukus, Uzbekistan, which was allegedly killed in 1972. This isn't mentioned and casts doubt on most of the points made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavinevans ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The clMes of tigers in iraq .turkey Afghanistan is a myth not recorded any where .theclast tigers in the wild recorded in iran only. Bahmanrajabiun ( talk) 22:32, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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Leo1pard ( talk) 13:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
The information in this section of the article is not (yet) referenced. Therefore, I place the following paragraphs here for the time being. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 10:24, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
The first opening sentence describes the subspecies as being extinct. The last sentence in the opening paragraph is currently "There are no individuals in captivity". Isn't this stating the obvious, considering it has already been established in the first sentence that the subspecies is extinct? I propose to remove that sentence if there are no objections. Comments? Garth of the Forest ( talk) 19:51, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
In light of new discoveries, this article should be merged with the Siberian tiger article. Mariomassone ( talk) 13:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. Where is the scientific consensus that this animal should be re-classified as P. t. altaica? There needs to be more than one article saying this. I read just one, suggesting a possible merger and outright saying the case needs more evidence from nuclear DNA first. They may well end up merged, but this has not happened yet that I can see. And if they were merged P. t. virgata would be the senior name anyway. 209.162.56.112 ( talk) 18:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
This is my first contribution to the world of Wikipedia so please bear with me, and in light of much of what I have read on the Wiki-Tiger discussion page alone: Please be polite to me, assume my good faith, avoid attacking me personally, and be welcoming.
I am concerned with this general article on tigers and with the articles on the Siberian/Amur tiger (P. t. altaica) and Caspian Tiger (P. t. virgata). Quoting a source that I found cited on this very page (
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0004125), recent research involving mitochondrial molecular genetics seems to be uncovering possible historic errors made in taxonomic subspecies definitions:
The article goes on to describe how these new research results seem to indicate that that the Siberian subspecies is genetically so close to the Caspian subspecies as for them to be considered one and the same:
The article concludes that in light of this new information there was a historical mistake in designating a new subspecies for the extant population found in far eastern Russia; in fact there never was a Siberian tiger subspecies.
I would be most certainly in favor of keeping the Siberian Tiger subspecies page as many people will be looking to find a "Siberian tiger" page for years to come, but facts are facts; the Caspian tiger is still alive in far eastern Russia and the Siberian tiger subspecies never existed. I rely on Wikipedia daily for information, and I expect it to be accurate. But I have to say that certainly somebody with more Wiki experience than me has to undertake this project, and based on what I have read on the Wiki-Tiger discussion page it needs to be someone with Wiki-clout.
In postscript: I apologize for the excessive long entry, and my probable inability to format my entry properly (
Altalaya (
talk) 21:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)).
The page Masai lion mentions that it has 2 trinomial names: P. l. massaica and P. l. nubica, and that of Cape lion says that the 'black-maned' Cape lion could be considered as a population of the Transvaal lion, due to their close relationship, even though the latter 2 articles have been kept separate. Leo1pard ( talk) 17:39, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Iranian and Russian ecologists are planning a joint project designed to return to the wild the Caspian Tigers as well as Asiatic Cheetahs in the Central Asian region. These big cats had disappeared, the Asiatic Cheetah from Russia and Caspian Tiger from Iran, some half a century ago. Latest genetic studies have shown that the Russian or Amur Tiger is related and virtually identical to the extinct Caspian Tigers and hence will be used to repopulated the Caspian Tiger range in exchange for Asiatic Cheetahs. [1] [2]
Iran, Russia Hope to Revive Extinct Big Cats Asiatiac Cheetah and Caspian Tiger
01/09/2010; Source: Press TV; Payvand Iran News
Iranian and Russian ecologists have announced ambitious plans to return Caspian Tigers as well as Asiatic cheetahs, which disappeared some half a century ago in their countries, to the wild.
PHOTO: Asiatic cheetah
A delegation of Russian ecologists headed by Deputy Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology of the Russian Federation Sergey Donskoy arrived in Tehran a week ago to discuss avenues to reestablish the wild cats.
During the meeting, the Iranian ecologists shed light on the prospect of repopulating the jungles in northern Iran with extraordinary Caspian Tiger, which became extinct over 40 years ago.
This is while through modern genetic analysis it has been discovered the Caspian Tiger and the Siberian Tiger, still in existence, are separated by only one letter of genetic code. The Caspian Tiger can be reestablished by using their relative, the Siberian Tiger.
Russian and international conservation groups banned hunting of tiger in 1947, but it was too late for the Caspian Tiger to make a recovery. Poaching and contributing factors wiped out the majestic cat. Conservation efforts, however, did help to protect and stabilize the Siberian Tiger. Fortunately, the subspecies commingling in the distant past will allow the Caspian Tiger to once again take its rightful place in the family tree of tigers.
PHOTO: Caspian Tiger
The Russian ecologist asked for Iranian assistance in revival of Asiatic cheetahs in the northern Caucasus region.
Described as powerful and graceful hunters, cheetahs are the world's fastest animal and easy to train. Cheetahs were trained by ancient Persian kings, who used them to hunt gazelles.
Recognizing the cats' precarious situation, Iran's Department of Environment has worked with the UN Development Program-Global Environment Facility and Wildlife Conservation Society in New York since 2001 to save the only 50 to 60 Asiatic cheetahs which live in the Dasht-e Kavir region of Iran.
Payvand News - 01/09/10
SOURCE: http://www.payvand.com/news/10/jan/1082.html
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A user named Leo1pard has posted a lot of false and unnecessary on this page, yet attempts to remove it were met with simply restoring said information. The most obvious being their false claim that lions are the same size as the largest tiger species, which goes against common knowledge and facts. They also add hybrids such as ligers, which is unnecessary and is mentioned on the liger article. They also claim that the Caspian tiger is merely "believed" to be extinct rather than officially extinct. And finally they link to the Tiger vs Lion page, which, given their other edits and comments, suggest their true motivation for these edits. Can someone please fix this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.173.175 ( talk) 16:56, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
This is to say that information represented in a way that it would look like original research has been edited, so that there is no OR in it, but at the same time, multiple references have been used to eliminate bias, instead of one reference by Mazák, who did not seem to know about lions weighing 225–249.5 kg (496–550 lb) or more, or about hybrids like ligers, which can outweigh tigers. Leo1pard ( talk) 14:44, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I now understand that lions could rival even Bengal, Caspian and Siberian tigers in weight, depending on the population or subspecies. What knowledge or understanding I had about lions and tigers 2 years ago is little compared to what I have now. Leo1pard ( talk) 18:08, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
How many people noticed that the Bengal tiger was not the only population, if not subspecies of Panthera tigris, that coexisted with the Asiatic lion, considering that the latter was recorded in places where the Caspian tiger had been, such as northern Iran [1] and Khaurism? [2] [3]
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Leo1pard ( talk) 13:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that there is a moderate level of detail on the origin and distribution of the Caspian tiger, however there is room to expand on its expansion and range, especially before the 20th Century. This is especially due as the Caspian Tiger ranged north of the Black Sea (into Eastern Europe) as late as the Middle Ages, as per some of the sources below. As I have perpetual exams at the moment, I am going to leave these sources here to substantiate this article in the future, as this is an important element of the Caspian tiger's evolutionary history. I would be very grateful if anyone with the time could integrate relevant information/discussion from the sources below.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ddi.12484/full
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/5/e1400175.full
http://www.audubon.org/news/the-last-wild-tigers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2624500/#pone.0004125-Kitchener1
Search on google the following WWF documents-
(Turanian Tiger- Analysis of Modern Situation PDF) +
(Pre-Feasibility Study on the Possible Restoration of the Caspian Tiger PDF)
SuperTah ( talk) 03:39, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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Leo1pard ( talk) 13:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
There is some inconsistency in Masseti (2009)'s article about carnivores in Syria: he claims tiger records in the Turkish Hatay Province with reference to Baytop (1974) and Kock (1990). But Kock (1990) did not mention ANY record in that province, and Baytop (1974) accounted of a skin obtained in Hakkari Province, which is much farther east. Also Masseti (2009) claims "archaeological evidence for the occurrence of tigers in the Amuq valley" with reference to Ellerman and Morrison-Scott (1951), whereas these authors did not mention such evidence. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 12:34, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Firstly, Mount Ararat and Hakkari Province are in the Eastern Anatolia Region, so this cannot be the westernmost distribution in Anatolia or Turkey. Secondly, Kirk (2002) said " Asia Minor or Anatolia (today's Turkey) is a natural bridge connecting Europe and Asia (Figure 1). This region was historically home to a diverse group of carnivores such as the Caspian tiger (Panthera tigris virgata), the Asiatic lion (Panthera leo persica) gray wolf (Canis lupus), striped hyena (Hyaena hyaena), brown bear (Ursus arctos), Anatolian leopard (Panthera pardus tulliana), Eurasian lynx (Lynx lynx), caracal (Felis caracal), Eurasian otter (Lutra lutra), golden jackal (Canis aureus), red fox (Vulpes vulpes), European wildcat (Felis silvestris caucasica), pine marten (Martes martes) and other smaller mustelid species (BPPC and EEII 2002). During the nine-teenth and twentieth centuries, some of these species were completely extirpated from the region or became rare due to indiscriminate hunting and habitat destruction. Anatolia's last Asiatic lion was reportedly shot in the Birecek forestlands of eastern Turkey (Turkiye Avcilari 2002; Yesil Atlas 2002). One of the last pairs of Caspian tigers is recorded as having been killed in 1943 on the Selcuk Plain in southwestern Turkey (Duygu 2002). Although there are still unconfirmed sightings and signs of the sub-species in eastern Turkey, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan (Lairweb 2002), unsubstantiated reports indicate Anatolia's last tiger was killed near Uludere, in southeastern Turkey's Hakkari Province in 1970," [1] and I even referenced Duygu (2002) when talking about Selçuk Plain, so why was this changed? Leo1pard ( talk) 18:42, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
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Leo1pard ( talk) 18:42, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
While cadpuan tiger mistly exusted iran .about mire than 90 percent if these tigers.and u doubt its even exusted in turkey or iraq ever .whay name if iran is not mentioned in the introduction part.and turkey can be seen in evert text of thus topic ? I guess thus text us anti iranian and fraud of real origin of thus exunct animal. Bahmanrajabiun ( talk) 20:30, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Iran was shiwn in the map .but the text more taljs about tigers in turkey.iraq caucasia.while most if the tigers were in iran south if caspuan sea .and name virgata comes from varkan old persian name for maxandaran and golestan and gilan provinces of iran exclusively. as welk as hirkan which us greek form of persian varkan. Bahmanrajabiun ( talk) 22:41, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Apart from the controversy over whether or not the IUCN's view is actually valid, I know that the IUCN proposed that tigers be grouped into P. t. tigris and P. t. sondaica, but does that mean that we should say that the IUCN is saying that the Caspian tiger is a population of the "Bengal tiger subspecies," which is commonly understood to mean tigers in South Asia, instead of the "Asian Mainland tiger subspecies"? Leo1pard ( talk) 04:07, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
My reply does not need repetition and is in Talk:Cape lion#Ethiopian lion. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 14:37, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
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The Addis Ababa zoo lions have dark manes and small bodies, unlike other African lions. But life in captivity can sometimes influence appearance. A team of researchers, led by the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany and the University of York in the UK, checked to see if the lions really are different by comparing DNA samples of 15 lions from the zoo to six populations of wild lions. Their genetic analysis revealed that the gene sequence of all fifteen lions were unique and showed little sign of inbreeding. The study was recently published in the European Journal of Wildlife Research.
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See this. Leo1pard ( talk) 07:09, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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See this. Leo1pard ( talk) 07:50, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
See this. Leo1pard ( talk) 05:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Panthera tigris virgata is Caspian tiger & panthera tigris tigris is Bengal tiger Study more please and then try to edit the truth! Fargol1993 ( talk) 11:30, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
I would send you the 2019 link if Wikipedia didn't erase comments contained links. You can insist on it at last I will save my time not talking to a Nobody that does not dare to mention identity. Everybody can find it easily & figure out that Wikipedia is not reliable due to you "nonames" information editors.have fun:) Fargol1993 ( talk) 17:03, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
The Caspian tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) was a tiger population which lived ...it is misleadingly implying equivalence between the Caspian tiger and the subspecies, when the former is a subset of the latter. Perhaps it would be better to have something like
The Caspian tiger was a population of the mainland tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) which lived ... It was traditionally recognised as a distinct subpecies, Panthera tigris virgata, but recent studies .... The obvious difficultly is how to refer to the mainland subspecies as it has no recognised subspecies name. Jts1882 | talk 07:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Caspian tiger (Panthera tigris virgata)and possibly a few other websites too. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 08:49, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
The XX tiger is/was a Panthera tigris tigris population in ...where XX is replaced by Caspian, Siberian, Bengal, Indochinese, South China ... in respective pages ?? -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 08:49, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
See Talk:Bengal_tiger#First_sentence_structure. AnomalousAtom ( talk) 08:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
The purpose of a taxobox is to show the classification of the taxon that is the subject of the article. The article is about a population with the informal name "Caspian tiger". It is not about the subspecies, whether or not this is accepted by reliable sources. A manual taxobox with the population below some accepted rank is one solution. Another is no taxobox, on the grounds that Caspian tigers are not a distinct taxon at a rank accepted by the ICZN. A taxobox targeting a parent of the subject of the article is simply wrong, here or in any other article. It also messes up the placement of an extinct marker, as Jts1882 pointed out at Wikipedia talk:Automated taxobox system/Archive 4#Bug?. Peter coxhead ( talk) 21:41, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
We had this discussion about the correct infobox elsewhere. @ Jts1882: would you please comment. – BhagyaMani ( talk) 18:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC). To date, the subspecies box is used on ALL the pages on tiger populations. – BhagyaMani ( talk) 19:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
@ SilverTiger12 and BhagyaMani: I am frankly baffled by why editors keep changing the taxobox. The article begins "The Caspian tiger was a Panthera tigris tigris population ... This population was regarded as a distinct subspecies and assessed as extinct in 2003." So:
A taxobox with the target Panthera tigris tigris belongs at the article Panthera tigris tigris. Just because all the other articles about populations of this subspecies have a wrong taxobox does not mean that this one should have too. Peter coxhead ( talk) 07:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)