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The reference to Hagen as "the greatest politician since Einar Gerhardsen" is both false and rather ridiculous. It is not at all something "generally regarded" in the Norwegian political debate, and the source (one article in a small Norwegian newspaper) doesn't even justify this description. Directly translated, the paragraph reads: "It won't be easy to forget Carl I. Hagen. The greatest since Einar Gerhardsen, both political commentators and political colleagues say." The question is: The greatest what? There will be different opinions about this among people with different political views. Some of his own party will undoubtly crown him as the greatest politician, others as the greatest party leader, others as the greatest populist (both in positive and negative terms), and yet others as the greatest political fear-mongerer. None of the paragraphs above or below the one mentioned, offer any insight. And the claim goes unreferenced in the article, making it impossible to find out which commentators or colleagues who have expressed this. Knowing the political debate in Norway I can with great confidence say it wouldn't be many. Hagen has never been Prime Minister, any other minister or even had a post in government at all. He has never chaired any committee in the Parliament. He has never been parliamentary president. It is difficult to see what kind of achievements that should have made him "the greatest politician" since the 60s. Desor ( talk) 15:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
The Progress Party describes itself as "liberal" at its homepage. Mentioning it here would however be difficult, because the term "liberal" would have to be explained, at least out of concern for the American audience who define the term "liberal" very differently. It would take to much place for an off-topic explanation. -- Heptor 20:54, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
I have seen this written before, but was he really CEO Norge of a huge company like Tate & Lyle, at the age of 26? It doesn't sound very likely. Carl I. has a diploma from a technical college in Newcastle, (that's not exactly Harvard Business School).-- JO 24 21:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Since no one has given a source for this I am removing it.-- JO 24 ( talk) 20:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
When you say he has "diplomas...from London", that implies from London University. Hagen claims on the Stortingsidene to have a "Higher National Deploma" (a very low-grade qualification that was awarded at that time by trade schools) from the so-called "(Chartered) Institute of Marketing" in London. This is a (commercial?) institution I'd never heard of, but it turns out to be shady enough that its small wiki page (it's like a commercial) is managed by one person, who apparently deletes anything added or taken away by anyone else.-- JO 24 ( talk) 17:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The criticism section now retorts something that isnt even mentioned in the article at all. In fact the criticism section dosen't include any criticism at all! Hagen is a highly criticised person so inclusion of crticism of him shouldn't be a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.202.218.112 ( talk) 02:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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The reference to Hagen as "the greatest politician since Einar Gerhardsen" is both false and rather ridiculous. It is not at all something "generally regarded" in the Norwegian political debate, and the source (one article in a small Norwegian newspaper) doesn't even justify this description. Directly translated, the paragraph reads: "It won't be easy to forget Carl I. Hagen. The greatest since Einar Gerhardsen, both political commentators and political colleagues say." The question is: The greatest what? There will be different opinions about this among people with different political views. Some of his own party will undoubtly crown him as the greatest politician, others as the greatest party leader, others as the greatest populist (both in positive and negative terms), and yet others as the greatest political fear-mongerer. None of the paragraphs above or below the one mentioned, offer any insight. And the claim goes unreferenced in the article, making it impossible to find out which commentators or colleagues who have expressed this. Knowing the political debate in Norway I can with great confidence say it wouldn't be many. Hagen has never been Prime Minister, any other minister or even had a post in government at all. He has never chaired any committee in the Parliament. He has never been parliamentary president. It is difficult to see what kind of achievements that should have made him "the greatest politician" since the 60s. Desor ( talk) 15:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
The Progress Party describes itself as "liberal" at its homepage. Mentioning it here would however be difficult, because the term "liberal" would have to be explained, at least out of concern for the American audience who define the term "liberal" very differently. It would take to much place for an off-topic explanation. -- Heptor 20:54, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
I have seen this written before, but was he really CEO Norge of a huge company like Tate & Lyle, at the age of 26? It doesn't sound very likely. Carl I. has a diploma from a technical college in Newcastle, (that's not exactly Harvard Business School).-- JO 24 21:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Since no one has given a source for this I am removing it.-- JO 24 ( talk) 20:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
When you say he has "diplomas...from London", that implies from London University. Hagen claims on the Stortingsidene to have a "Higher National Deploma" (a very low-grade qualification that was awarded at that time by trade schools) from the so-called "(Chartered) Institute of Marketing" in London. This is a (commercial?) institution I'd never heard of, but it turns out to be shady enough that its small wiki page (it's like a commercial) is managed by one person, who apparently deletes anything added or taken away by anyone else.-- JO 24 ( talk) 17:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The criticism section now retorts something that isnt even mentioned in the article at all. In fact the criticism section dosen't include any criticism at all! Hagen is a highly criticised person so inclusion of crticism of him shouldn't be a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.202.218.112 ( talk) 02:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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