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I agree that the Nantes reference looks wrong. And it says that Little Red riding hood was a satire on Mazarin, yet the article on the story makes no mention of him. Gobanian ( talk) 15:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
What does it mean to say of the Protestants "for six years they believed themselves to be on the eve of recovering the protections of the Edict of Nantes, but in the end they obtained nothing." The Edict of Nantes was not revoked until 1685, so they had not lost it.
Maria Mancini, mistress of King Louis XIV, looks exceptionally like a man to me - was Louis losing his grip in old age? Apart from that, it's a very pretty family tree. Deb 19:48, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Now we have this naive thought in the entry. Was this "rumor" even part of the "Widow Capet" gutter-pamphleteering in 1793? Did it appear anywhere before that? Or is this a just a modern suggestion from the Mary Magdalene groupies? -- Wetman 18:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The article makes much of a gaming table flirtation between Marazin and the Queen. The link references the article on Marie de' Medici, who was the MOTHER of Louis XIII, and therefore Dowager queen of France when Marazin came to Paris as Richelieu's aide. Queen Marie died in 1642, one year before the regency for Louis XIV began. I shall amend the article --- Neal, 23 Aug 2006
Shouldn't this be at Jules Cardinal Mazarin? john k 15:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It would. john k 17:03, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've moved it. john k 03:01, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article is very old-styled, and largely incomplete (especially for what concers Mazzarino's early years in Italy). I marked it with the "expand" template. Attilios
From WP:RM backlog:
This request was incomplete and seems unlikely to gain consensus if relisted. I suggest discussion here before any more moves or move requests. Previous names are of course Jules Cardinal Mazarin and Jules Mazarin.
Until now I was convinced that the Cardinal's Italian name was "Mazarini". It stands e.g. in French Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.58.218 ( talk) 09:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
If relisting on WP:RM, please:
Any questions on this, feel free to comment on my talk page. Andrewa ( talk) 18:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why people get to move articles to new locations without any discussion, and then to move it back we have to follow incredibly annoying bureaucratic procedures. Sigh. "Cardinal Mazarin" is no better an article title than President Obama. john k ( talk) 17:56, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
What kind of cardinal was Mazarin? Cardinal-bishop? Cardinal-priest? Cardinal-deacon? Which diocese / church / diaconate was he assigned in Italy?
Top.Squark ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC).
How could one renounce the nationality of a nation that will not exist for a couple centuries? Mazarin was born in geographical Italy, and his native language would have been the dialect of where he was born. This is all. CyrilleDunant ( talk) 14:39, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, there seems to have been a slow edit-war about whether or not he should be described as "Italian". I really couldn't care less either way but the generally accepted approach has been to describe cardinals born in what is now Italy as an Italian Catholic Cardinal. The article Italian people has all of the proper acknowledgements about the history of "Italians" in general which is where I always link Italian to. My only concern would be that having created about 50 articles (possibly more) for cardinals of the 17th century, I've used the above description for most of them (as most were born in cities and regions now considered part of modern-day Italy). I don't mind if we need to go and change them all, really, (though I don't see the point) but Mazarin's article is now really the only odd one out because of this ongoing Italian/not-Italian business. Would appreciate thoughts from others. Stalwart 111 07:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Their love affair, confirmed by their correspondence, is not mentioned. Here's one source:
Cypher Letters to the Queen — Expressions of Lore and Unfailing Devotion — Letter No. 3 — Letter No. 31 — Letter No. 34 — Letter No. 43 — Letter No. 53 — Letter No. 63 — Letter No. 74 — Letter No. 96 — Cardinal about to return — Unbroken Union 193
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WP:GALLERY makes it clear that placing images adjacent to the text is preferred to placing them in galleries. It further says that a gallery "may be appropriate if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images." This means that the onus is on those who wish to retain the galleries to explain why they should be exceptions to WP:GALLERY. We absolutely do not need a portrait of each of Mazarin's nieces. We never provide individual portraits for each of the children, siblings, or other relatives of the subject. One image that illustrates Mazarin's nieces does the job. We also do not need to show trivial stuff such as a painting that Mazarin purchased; the man purchased nearly a thousand paintings. And if you are going to go around reverting my edits in articles (and indeed topics) you had never edited before, I would appreciate if you least gave a proper reason. Surtsicna ( talk) 20:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
"I see that the very point made by WP:GALLERY is disputed here": Nothing that has been said so far should give you any reason to think that. In my reply to your initial comment, I explained that there is no conflict with the WP:GALLERY policy since there is not in fact sufficient space "for images to be effectively presented adjacent to text". This would suggest that you are either not reading my replies, or are willfully misrepresenting them. Either way, this gives me little incentive to engage with you here.
@ SiefkinDR, in this edit I partially revert this edit by you, since it broke the short footnote (there is no Poncet (1959) source in the bibliography) – I thought it unlikely that that was what you wanted to do. In the optimistic scenario that you can reconstruct your work from nearly four years ago, could you check what the reference ought to be? Thanks, Wham2001 ( talk) 15:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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I agree that the Nantes reference looks wrong. And it says that Little Red riding hood was a satire on Mazarin, yet the article on the story makes no mention of him. Gobanian ( talk) 15:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
What does it mean to say of the Protestants "for six years they believed themselves to be on the eve of recovering the protections of the Edict of Nantes, but in the end they obtained nothing." The Edict of Nantes was not revoked until 1685, so they had not lost it.
Maria Mancini, mistress of King Louis XIV, looks exceptionally like a man to me - was Louis losing his grip in old age? Apart from that, it's a very pretty family tree. Deb 19:48, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Now we have this naive thought in the entry. Was this "rumor" even part of the "Widow Capet" gutter-pamphleteering in 1793? Did it appear anywhere before that? Or is this a just a modern suggestion from the Mary Magdalene groupies? -- Wetman 18:31, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The article makes much of a gaming table flirtation between Marazin and the Queen. The link references the article on Marie de' Medici, who was the MOTHER of Louis XIII, and therefore Dowager queen of France when Marazin came to Paris as Richelieu's aide. Queen Marie died in 1642, one year before the regency for Louis XIV began. I shall amend the article --- Neal, 23 Aug 2006
Shouldn't this be at Jules Cardinal Mazarin? john k 15:21, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It would. john k 17:03, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've moved it. john k 03:01, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article is very old-styled, and largely incomplete (especially for what concers Mazzarino's early years in Italy). I marked it with the "expand" template. Attilios
From WP:RM backlog:
This request was incomplete and seems unlikely to gain consensus if relisted. I suggest discussion here before any more moves or move requests. Previous names are of course Jules Cardinal Mazarin and Jules Mazarin.
Until now I was convinced that the Cardinal's Italian name was "Mazarini". It stands e.g. in French Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.58.218 ( talk) 09:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
If relisting on WP:RM, please:
Any questions on this, feel free to comment on my talk page. Andrewa ( talk) 18:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why people get to move articles to new locations without any discussion, and then to move it back we have to follow incredibly annoying bureaucratic procedures. Sigh. "Cardinal Mazarin" is no better an article title than President Obama. john k ( talk) 17:56, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
What kind of cardinal was Mazarin? Cardinal-bishop? Cardinal-priest? Cardinal-deacon? Which diocese / church / diaconate was he assigned in Italy?
Top.Squark ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC).
How could one renounce the nationality of a nation that will not exist for a couple centuries? Mazarin was born in geographical Italy, and his native language would have been the dialect of where he was born. This is all. CyrilleDunant ( talk) 14:39, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, there seems to have been a slow edit-war about whether or not he should be described as "Italian". I really couldn't care less either way but the generally accepted approach has been to describe cardinals born in what is now Italy as an Italian Catholic Cardinal. The article Italian people has all of the proper acknowledgements about the history of "Italians" in general which is where I always link Italian to. My only concern would be that having created about 50 articles (possibly more) for cardinals of the 17th century, I've used the above description for most of them (as most were born in cities and regions now considered part of modern-day Italy). I don't mind if we need to go and change them all, really, (though I don't see the point) but Mazarin's article is now really the only odd one out because of this ongoing Italian/not-Italian business. Would appreciate thoughts from others. Stalwart 111 07:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Their love affair, confirmed by their correspondence, is not mentioned. Here's one source:
Cypher Letters to the Queen — Expressions of Lore and Unfailing Devotion — Letter No. 3 — Letter No. 31 — Letter No. 34 — Letter No. 43 — Letter No. 53 — Letter No. 63 — Letter No. 74 — Letter No. 96 — Cardinal about to return — Unbroken Union 193
BullRangifer ( talk) 06:19, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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WP:GALLERY makes it clear that placing images adjacent to the text is preferred to placing them in galleries. It further says that a gallery "may be appropriate if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images." This means that the onus is on those who wish to retain the galleries to explain why they should be exceptions to WP:GALLERY. We absolutely do not need a portrait of each of Mazarin's nieces. We never provide individual portraits for each of the children, siblings, or other relatives of the subject. One image that illustrates Mazarin's nieces does the job. We also do not need to show trivial stuff such as a painting that Mazarin purchased; the man purchased nearly a thousand paintings. And if you are going to go around reverting my edits in articles (and indeed topics) you had never edited before, I would appreciate if you least gave a proper reason. Surtsicna ( talk) 20:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
"I see that the very point made by WP:GALLERY is disputed here": Nothing that has been said so far should give you any reason to think that. In my reply to your initial comment, I explained that there is no conflict with the WP:GALLERY policy since there is not in fact sufficient space "for images to be effectively presented adjacent to text". This would suggest that you are either not reading my replies, or are willfully misrepresenting them. Either way, this gives me little incentive to engage with you here.
@ SiefkinDR, in this edit I partially revert this edit by you, since it broke the short footnote (there is no Poncet (1959) source in the bibliography) – I thought it unlikely that that was what you wanted to do. In the optimistic scenario that you can reconstruct your work from nearly four years ago, could you check what the reference ought to be? Thanks, Wham2001 ( talk) 15:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)