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Hello. One of my edits got rejected and I've been proposed to write a post to talk about what's wrong about my , moreover I got asked what I mean by an international taxation system on capital: basically every countries which abide by this system have the same taxation rate on the capital. MDCCCC ( talk) 21:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
In the very first sentence it currently says, as I quote: "Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit (...)" ... But private ownership is a mom and pop shop or a family business, whereas corporate ownership such as in a publicly traded company is a totally different concept. This is not a private business. It is a corporation. The lack of intellectual ability to differentiate between these two concepts seems appalling to me. Capitalism or Corporatism is actually much more similar to Communism than it is to a private economy based upon small-sized family businesses. -- Alexey Topol ( talk) 16:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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It is amazing that some folks think capitalism and democracy go hand in hand. Capitalism, in its essence, is effected in single transactions between anonymous buyers and sellers. It just happens that the decisions and numbers of participants are so numerous that the whole tapestry appears coordinated - when in truth, it isn't. And that is why Adam Smith describes the market system as working through "an invisible hand." Market based decisions are not democratic, but purely based on merit, capacity or ability (to supply or pay for supplies). Those without these abilities are unable to participate, nor are they invited to. No committee sits down to decide what to produce or even to fundraise for what to buy. Indeed, democracy requires, at its core, that the primary decision-makers (of asset allocation, production and pricing) be many and equal in stature. That their choices be coordinated, and their outcomes be applicable to everyone. Democratic choices for reasons of legitimacy, essentially, are public and instantly visible (no invisible hands, here). Socialists, therefore, would be the natural creators of democracy. They are the co-operators and unionists who claim to own their labor in common, who share their outputs equally according to their need, and who own resources together as the public. They are more likely to vote for specified choices and to consider themselves 'equal' in solidarity and brotherhood. Intuition, therefore, would ascribe democracy to socialists more than to capitalists. Even voting for a government to "own and control public resources" is based on the equality of the vote (irrespective of whether people are poor or rich). In a capitalist system, that vote would only be available to property owners, or those who have the means to purchase property. 102.135.172.106 ( talk) 23:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC) 102.135.172.106 ( talk) 23:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)@geonal |
Since there are only 5 counries now that are communist, is it safe to assume that other 190 are capitalist? Ilya-42 ( talk) 17:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
do we really need to add le livre noir du capitalisme? like, in all honesty, i haven't read the book, but if we going to critise the BBoC for conflating deaths in communist countries with deaths atributable with communism, well, i guess the same could be said of it's anti capitalist counterpart
and that not even the beggining of the matter. because the whole section is based upon critiques of capitalism, which granted, i haven't said that is wrong to add critiques of capitalism. but is all critiques! not even a reference to other types of capitalism, atleast free trade is there, but i haven't seen anything from supply or demmand, even less i've seen something close to mainstream economic theory, which granted that the whole see also page is full of heterodox theory, some orthodox theory should also be there, otherwise it seems nv:pov 181.1.137.123 ( talk) 21:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hello. One of my edits got rejected and I've been proposed to write a post to talk about what's wrong about my , moreover I got asked what I mean by an international taxation system on capital: basically every countries which abide by this system have the same taxation rate on the capital. MDCCCC ( talk) 21:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
In the very first sentence it currently says, as I quote: "Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit (...)" ... But private ownership is a mom and pop shop or a family business, whereas corporate ownership such as in a publicly traded company is a totally different concept. This is not a private business. It is a corporation. The lack of intellectual ability to differentiate between these two concepts seems appalling to me. Capitalism or Corporatism is actually much more similar to Communism than it is to a private economy based upon small-sized family businesses. -- Alexey Topol ( talk) 16:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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It is amazing that some folks think capitalism and democracy go hand in hand. Capitalism, in its essence, is effected in single transactions between anonymous buyers and sellers. It just happens that the decisions and numbers of participants are so numerous that the whole tapestry appears coordinated - when in truth, it isn't. And that is why Adam Smith describes the market system as working through "an invisible hand." Market based decisions are not democratic, but purely based on merit, capacity or ability (to supply or pay for supplies). Those without these abilities are unable to participate, nor are they invited to. No committee sits down to decide what to produce or even to fundraise for what to buy. Indeed, democracy requires, at its core, that the primary decision-makers (of asset allocation, production and pricing) be many and equal in stature. That their choices be coordinated, and their outcomes be applicable to everyone. Democratic choices for reasons of legitimacy, essentially, are public and instantly visible (no invisible hands, here). Socialists, therefore, would be the natural creators of democracy. They are the co-operators and unionists who claim to own their labor in common, who share their outputs equally according to their need, and who own resources together as the public. They are more likely to vote for specified choices and to consider themselves 'equal' in solidarity and brotherhood. Intuition, therefore, would ascribe democracy to socialists more than to capitalists. Even voting for a government to "own and control public resources" is based on the equality of the vote (irrespective of whether people are poor or rich). In a capitalist system, that vote would only be available to property owners, or those who have the means to purchase property. 102.135.172.106 ( talk) 23:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC) 102.135.172.106 ( talk) 23:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)@geonal |
Since there are only 5 counries now that are communist, is it safe to assume that other 190 are capitalist? Ilya-42 ( talk) 17:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
do we really need to add le livre noir du capitalisme? like, in all honesty, i haven't read the book, but if we going to critise the BBoC for conflating deaths in communist countries with deaths atributable with communism, well, i guess the same could be said of it's anti capitalist counterpart
and that not even the beggining of the matter. because the whole section is based upon critiques of capitalism, which granted, i haven't said that is wrong to add critiques of capitalism. but is all critiques! not even a reference to other types of capitalism, atleast free trade is there, but i haven't seen anything from supply or demmand, even less i've seen something close to mainstream economic theory, which granted that the whole see also page is full of heterodox theory, some orthodox theory should also be there, otherwise it seems nv:pov 181.1.137.123 ( talk) 21:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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