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in the non-painful execution section there is an extra comma. The line should be Britain banned hanging, drawing and quartering... but is hanging, drawing, and quartering. The comma after drawing shouldn't be there since drawing and quartering is a single punishment TianHao1225 ( talk) 11:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is a consensus that "death penalty" is more prevalent in sources than "capital punishment", but there's quite a bit of concern that "death penalty" doesn't precisely describe the scope of the article, and given the numerical split that means there's no consensus to move. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 03:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Capital punishment → Death penalty – Google ngram indicates a higher appearance of "Death penalty" over "Capital punishment". Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 14:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Strive to make each part of every article as understandable as possible to the widest audience of readers who are likely to be interested in that material." Although both capital punishment and death penalty are widely understood, the former term seems to be getting less common over time and yielding to the latter term, which is direct, straightforward, and understandable to schoolchildren, which capital punishment may or may not be. The word capital does not commonly mean "resulting in death" except when talking about the death penalty, and so that meaning of the word is archaic except as a technical legal term (although a widely recognized one).
it will not be hard to carry that over to quickly approve the same change in wording of the titles in the related articles. I think history shows otherwise. If the other articles should be moved also, this should be a multi-move. People might not like moving List of methods of capital punishment or all the "Capital punishment in ..." articles. Srnec ( talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
ASUKITE 16:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE
"Death penalty" is more often used to refer to the legal decision made by the judge/jury, the laws surrounding, and any legislative acts allowing/barring the punishment. E.g., "death penalty jurisprudence" appears nearly four times as often in secondary sources as "capital punishment jurisprudence". "Death penalty statute" beats out "capital punishment statute" by nearly the exact same ratio in secondary sources. I don't have a strong feeling about this, but legally they might refer to different things. In our article, we've kind of mixed the two terms right from the start:Garland focuses on more than capital punishment, which he defines as "a practice whereby a properly constituted authority puts to death a convicted offender in punishment for a crime" ...
— David T. Johnson, American Capital Punishment in Comparative Perspective, 36 Law & Soc. Inquiry 1033, 1035 (2011)
Capital punishment ... is the state-sanctioned practice of killing a person as a punishment for a crime, usually following an authorised, rule-governed process to conclude that the person is responsible for violating norms that warrant said punishment.The first bold would be capital punishment, the second the death penalty. Do we care about that? Should we separate those two things out further? I'm leaning oppose because I think it makes more sense here for the umbrella term here to be the punishment, not the legal regime that makes the punishment possible, but there might not be enough distinction in substance for other editors. Regardless, I think that's the issue we should be weighing. Alyo ( chat· edits) 16:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
In "History - China"
Some further forms of capital punishment were practiced in the Tang dynasty, of which the first two that follow at least were extralegal. clarification needed The first of these was scourging to death with the thick rod clarification needed which was common throughout the Tang dynasty especially in cases of gross corruption.
found a couple sources that would help with clarification.
http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Terms/penal_zhang.html
Includes a source on the bottom too
Pu Jian 蒲堅 (1992). "Zhang 杖", in Zhongguo da baike quanshu 中国大百科全书, Faxue 法学 (Beijing/Shanghai: Zhongguo da baike quanshu chubanshe), 740.
In "Public Executions"The last formal public executions occurred in 1868 in Britain, in 1936 in the U.S. and in 1939 in France.
Possible expand the information to include instances of these public executions. For example France ended formal Public executions due the unruly crowd delaying the execution and causing a massive disturbance. As a result, the French President immediately banned public executions the following day.
Mentioned in another Wikipedia article - Guillotine#France but with no citation.
Possible citation, but not the best. Maybe find the direct publication by Paris-Soir?
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/last-public-execution-guillotine-1939/ Flavorless Fideos ( talk) 08:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Syria to the list of countries with the death penalty in practice in the third paragraph. J.S Claude ( talk) 19:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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template. This is not meant to be a complete list (which would include over 100 countries and be unreadable), it is just a few notable examples. Its unclear what the addition of Syria would clarify.
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in the non-painful execution section there is an extra comma. The line should be Britain banned hanging, drawing and quartering... but is hanging, drawing, and quartering. The comma after drawing shouldn't be there since drawing and quartering is a single punishment TianHao1225 ( talk) 11:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is a consensus that "death penalty" is more prevalent in sources than "capital punishment", but there's quite a bit of concern that "death penalty" doesn't precisely describe the scope of the article, and given the numerical split that means there's no consensus to move. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 03:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Capital punishment → Death penalty – Google ngram indicates a higher appearance of "Death penalty" over "Capital punishment". Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 14:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Strive to make each part of every article as understandable as possible to the widest audience of readers who are likely to be interested in that material." Although both capital punishment and death penalty are widely understood, the former term seems to be getting less common over time and yielding to the latter term, which is direct, straightforward, and understandable to schoolchildren, which capital punishment may or may not be. The word capital does not commonly mean "resulting in death" except when talking about the death penalty, and so that meaning of the word is archaic except as a technical legal term (although a widely recognized one).
it will not be hard to carry that over to quickly approve the same change in wording of the titles in the related articles. I think history shows otherwise. If the other articles should be moved also, this should be a multi-move. People might not like moving List of methods of capital punishment or all the "Capital punishment in ..." articles. Srnec ( talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
ASUKITE 16:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE
"Death penalty" is more often used to refer to the legal decision made by the judge/jury, the laws surrounding, and any legislative acts allowing/barring the punishment. E.g., "death penalty jurisprudence" appears nearly four times as often in secondary sources as "capital punishment jurisprudence". "Death penalty statute" beats out "capital punishment statute" by nearly the exact same ratio in secondary sources. I don't have a strong feeling about this, but legally they might refer to different things. In our article, we've kind of mixed the two terms right from the start:Garland focuses on more than capital punishment, which he defines as "a practice whereby a properly constituted authority puts to death a convicted offender in punishment for a crime" ...
— David T. Johnson, American Capital Punishment in Comparative Perspective, 36 Law & Soc. Inquiry 1033, 1035 (2011)
Capital punishment ... is the state-sanctioned practice of killing a person as a punishment for a crime, usually following an authorised, rule-governed process to conclude that the person is responsible for violating norms that warrant said punishment.The first bold would be capital punishment, the second the death penalty. Do we care about that? Should we separate those two things out further? I'm leaning oppose because I think it makes more sense here for the umbrella term here to be the punishment, not the legal regime that makes the punishment possible, but there might not be enough distinction in substance for other editors. Regardless, I think that's the issue we should be weighing. Alyo ( chat· edits) 16:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
In "History - China"
Some further forms of capital punishment were practiced in the Tang dynasty, of which the first two that follow at least were extralegal. clarification needed The first of these was scourging to death with the thick rod clarification needed which was common throughout the Tang dynasty especially in cases of gross corruption.
found a couple sources that would help with clarification.
http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Terms/penal_zhang.html
Includes a source on the bottom too
Pu Jian 蒲堅 (1992). "Zhang 杖", in Zhongguo da baike quanshu 中国大百科全书, Faxue 法学 (Beijing/Shanghai: Zhongguo da baike quanshu chubanshe), 740.
In "Public Executions"The last formal public executions occurred in 1868 in Britain, in 1936 in the U.S. and in 1939 in France.
Possible expand the information to include instances of these public executions. For example France ended formal Public executions due the unruly crowd delaying the execution and causing a massive disturbance. As a result, the French President immediately banned public executions the following day.
Mentioned in another Wikipedia article - Guillotine#France but with no citation.
Possible citation, but not the best. Maybe find the direct publication by Paris-Soir?
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/last-public-execution-guillotine-1939/ Flavorless Fideos ( talk) 08:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Syria to the list of countries with the death penalty in practice in the third paragraph. J.S Claude ( talk) 19:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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template. This is not meant to be a complete list (which would include over 100 countries and be unreadable), it is just a few notable examples. Its unclear what the addition of Syria would clarify.
Jamedeus (
talk) 20:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)