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Huge amounts of bias. i replaced all reference to the 'yew regime' with the phrase 'Singapore Government', and removed the word dictator.
The section "U.S. v. Singapore: A view based on comparative law" does not belong here, for the this article is about that kid that got caned. A section about comparative law not directly pertaining to the issue at hand is no more relevant than a section talking about "International Law" would be under an article about Herman Goering.-- Bletch 21:52, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The 'The Singaporean response' is probably not from a NPV.
I just wanted to add here that sometime in the late 1980s/early 1990s Fay lived with his father (?) in Naperville, Illinois. I so happen to have his freshman yearbook photograph - in the same book as my own! -- JohnDBuell 01:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
A weasel word and used twice in the same paragraph about the Singapore government's response to the American government's reaction. Instead you should mention exactly what the Singaporean government stated, not what you think the government (or anybody else) 'felt'. I have doubts that the government perceived Clinton's actions as being anything other than a usual appeal for clemency that governments routinely issue on behalf of their citizens abroad (certainly no demarche was issued, and irony-free Singapore wouldn't suggest that the US should start criticising all verdicts delivered in Singaporean criminal courts for the sake of consistency)
The section "Aftermath" quotes: The Michael Fay incident was followed by another incident where a Filipino maid named Flor Contemplacion was convicted of the murder of her employer's son and another maid and subsequently executed. The case sparked outrage in the Philippines and highlighted the plight of Filipinos working in Singapore. Other than being in Singapore, how is this 'aftermath' of this incident? -- Achromatic 23:37, 26 Jan 2006 (UTC)
The portions of the "Aftermath" section pertaining to Weird Al, etc., would make much more sense under a section entitled "Pop Culture References" or something as they are trivial and not directly related.
I don't remember anyone calling for an attack on the Singapore embassy. Even if one nutjobs talk radio guy did say such a thing, that hardly makes it "the American media." This needs to get cited, or removed. 65.171.232.28 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately I am in a medium sized city in Taiwan, but if anyone is still a university student with access to a large university library, could that person search for the references that I listed and fill in the source needed footnotes? I would have done it if I were living in Berkeley. Allentchang 13:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Why on earth is there a link to Van Tuong Nguyen on this page? Van Nguyen shares no similarities with Michael Fay, other than the fact that they were both arrested in Singapore. I would remove the link, but I'd rather bring up the issue here first to see what others' opinions are.
Nguyen was arrested and executed for drug smuggling, as opposed to Fay, who was arrested and caned for vandalism. Unless we're going to provide a link to every foreigner who has been caned/executed in Singapore, the Van Nguyen link doesn't belong. 61.68.35.146 04:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
If it helps Michael Fay lived on the 21st floor of Regency Park Condo on nathan road, and led police there following his arrest (in which 25 police officers arrived at the Singapore American School). police found road signs and a taxi "not for hire" sign in his bedroom. My source is a book called “Singapore – The State and the culture of excess” by Souchou Yao. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.186.9.1 ( talk) 10:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC).
This does not sound like an encyclopedic entry, specifically the part where it says, "The paper printed this information. How can they not be facts if the newspaper printed it? It's the official paper of the government." Or something to that effect.
I believe a lot of this article should be re-edited, if not just chalked up and rewritten entirely. Is there anyone with a definite wealth of information on this topic? -- lepetiterobot 13:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Fay claimed in an interview on one of the major television news magazines (possibly ABC's 20/20) that he did not actually vandalize the cars and his confession was coerced. He alleged that the police used some extreme tactics to extract confessions. He also said that his legal counsel did not believe his sentence would include caning if he pled guilty, otherwise he would not have done so (the plea was in effect a plea of 'no contest' rather than an admission of guilt). If this can be adequately sourced it should probably be in the article. -- Mwalimu59 21:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
You still seem not to understand, or else you are simply saying you do not wish to follow, Wikipedia's rule against "original research". We have to abide by that rule and there is no point at all in your arguing about it here. You are putting forward your own unverified hypothesis based on unproven assertions made by the defendant in the case. You can go and publish a magazine article or book setting out your own personal theories, but they cannot be part of an objective encyclopaedia article. Alarics ( talk) 16:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Johnm307 ( talk) 13:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Part of the article says "Under what some might regard as the misapplication of the 1966 Singapore Vandalism Act, which was originally passed to curb the spread of communist graffiti in Singapore and which specifically covered vandalism of government buildings,".
Is that not a form of weasel wording? Quite aside from that, the article on the Act (follow the link on this article), while referring to public buildings goes onto say "Furthermore, any damages to private property are illegal under the Act without the written consent of the owner or occupier." Obviously, different authors have written the two parts I have quoted, but I still wonder whether this article requires reconsideration. Informed Owl ( talk) 16:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)Informed Owl
This person is really notable due to canning incident in Singapore happened in 1993-94. This was the worst ever happened in Singapore history. ApprenticeFan talk contribs 02:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
"The Singaporean government pointed out that Singaporeans who break the law faced the same punishments as Fay, and suggested that the United States should pay more attention to its domestic problems, such as American law and order, rather than telling other countries what to do.[citation needed]" --- this line seems to have been put in by an editor at some point to make a WP:POINT and express some political view about the US. Unless it gets a citation, with them actually saying it, I'm removing it. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 13:23, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
The third paragraph in this section seems to be out of date. There's a caning video on (I think) Live Leak which clearly shows how much damage is done from a small number of strokes. Indeed the first is arguably the most significant. So the suggestion that the low number of strokes inflicted would have allowed for the guy to sit etc., is dubious at best. I suspect the real reason not much damage was done was that they went very easy on him for political reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.49.59.19 ( talk) 22:54, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I propose that this article be moved to "The whipping of Michael P. Fay" the individual has no standalone notability. 117.195.83.65 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:08, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand what you think would be achieved by changing the name of the article. Even if we did, there would still have to be a redirect from the present title. Think of it from the point of view of a WP reader trying to find out about this case: what do you think they will search for? -- Alarics ( talk) 08:39, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
I propose this article be moved to "The caning of Michael P. Fay" 59.94.210.197 ( talk) 02:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
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The links are all fringe websites that don't seem to like global connectivity, racial diversity, or any outcome that isn't an all out race war. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/2603:6010:f00:3c:75c9:5aef:88c:b704 ( talk) 02:04, 23 July 2021 (UTC).
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Huge amounts of bias. i replaced all reference to the 'yew regime' with the phrase 'Singapore Government', and removed the word dictator.
The section "U.S. v. Singapore: A view based on comparative law" does not belong here, for the this article is about that kid that got caned. A section about comparative law not directly pertaining to the issue at hand is no more relevant than a section talking about "International Law" would be under an article about Herman Goering.-- Bletch 21:52, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The 'The Singaporean response' is probably not from a NPV.
I just wanted to add here that sometime in the late 1980s/early 1990s Fay lived with his father (?) in Naperville, Illinois. I so happen to have his freshman yearbook photograph - in the same book as my own! -- JohnDBuell 01:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
A weasel word and used twice in the same paragraph about the Singapore government's response to the American government's reaction. Instead you should mention exactly what the Singaporean government stated, not what you think the government (or anybody else) 'felt'. I have doubts that the government perceived Clinton's actions as being anything other than a usual appeal for clemency that governments routinely issue on behalf of their citizens abroad (certainly no demarche was issued, and irony-free Singapore wouldn't suggest that the US should start criticising all verdicts delivered in Singaporean criminal courts for the sake of consistency)
The section "Aftermath" quotes: The Michael Fay incident was followed by another incident where a Filipino maid named Flor Contemplacion was convicted of the murder of her employer's son and another maid and subsequently executed. The case sparked outrage in the Philippines and highlighted the plight of Filipinos working in Singapore. Other than being in Singapore, how is this 'aftermath' of this incident? -- Achromatic 23:37, 26 Jan 2006 (UTC)
The portions of the "Aftermath" section pertaining to Weird Al, etc., would make much more sense under a section entitled "Pop Culture References" or something as they are trivial and not directly related.
I don't remember anyone calling for an attack on the Singapore embassy. Even if one nutjobs talk radio guy did say such a thing, that hardly makes it "the American media." This needs to get cited, or removed. 65.171.232.28 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately I am in a medium sized city in Taiwan, but if anyone is still a university student with access to a large university library, could that person search for the references that I listed and fill in the source needed footnotes? I would have done it if I were living in Berkeley. Allentchang 13:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Why on earth is there a link to Van Tuong Nguyen on this page? Van Nguyen shares no similarities with Michael Fay, other than the fact that they were both arrested in Singapore. I would remove the link, but I'd rather bring up the issue here first to see what others' opinions are.
Nguyen was arrested and executed for drug smuggling, as opposed to Fay, who was arrested and caned for vandalism. Unless we're going to provide a link to every foreigner who has been caned/executed in Singapore, the Van Nguyen link doesn't belong. 61.68.35.146 04:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
If it helps Michael Fay lived on the 21st floor of Regency Park Condo on nathan road, and led police there following his arrest (in which 25 police officers arrived at the Singapore American School). police found road signs and a taxi "not for hire" sign in his bedroom. My source is a book called “Singapore – The State and the culture of excess” by Souchou Yao. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.186.9.1 ( talk) 10:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC).
This does not sound like an encyclopedic entry, specifically the part where it says, "The paper printed this information. How can they not be facts if the newspaper printed it? It's the official paper of the government." Or something to that effect.
I believe a lot of this article should be re-edited, if not just chalked up and rewritten entirely. Is there anyone with a definite wealth of information on this topic? -- lepetiterobot 13:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Fay claimed in an interview on one of the major television news magazines (possibly ABC's 20/20) that he did not actually vandalize the cars and his confession was coerced. He alleged that the police used some extreme tactics to extract confessions. He also said that his legal counsel did not believe his sentence would include caning if he pled guilty, otherwise he would not have done so (the plea was in effect a plea of 'no contest' rather than an admission of guilt). If this can be adequately sourced it should probably be in the article. -- Mwalimu59 21:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
You still seem not to understand, or else you are simply saying you do not wish to follow, Wikipedia's rule against "original research". We have to abide by that rule and there is no point at all in your arguing about it here. You are putting forward your own unverified hypothesis based on unproven assertions made by the defendant in the case. You can go and publish a magazine article or book setting out your own personal theories, but they cannot be part of an objective encyclopaedia article. Alarics ( talk) 16:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Johnm307 ( talk) 13:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Part of the article says "Under what some might regard as the misapplication of the 1966 Singapore Vandalism Act, which was originally passed to curb the spread of communist graffiti in Singapore and which specifically covered vandalism of government buildings,".
Is that not a form of weasel wording? Quite aside from that, the article on the Act (follow the link on this article), while referring to public buildings goes onto say "Furthermore, any damages to private property are illegal under the Act without the written consent of the owner or occupier." Obviously, different authors have written the two parts I have quoted, but I still wonder whether this article requires reconsideration. Informed Owl ( talk) 16:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)Informed Owl
This person is really notable due to canning incident in Singapore happened in 1993-94. This was the worst ever happened in Singapore history. ApprenticeFan talk contribs 02:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
"The Singaporean government pointed out that Singaporeans who break the law faced the same punishments as Fay, and suggested that the United States should pay more attention to its domestic problems, such as American law and order, rather than telling other countries what to do.[citation needed]" --- this line seems to have been put in by an editor at some point to make a WP:POINT and express some political view about the US. Unless it gets a citation, with them actually saying it, I'm removing it. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 13:23, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
The third paragraph in this section seems to be out of date. There's a caning video on (I think) Live Leak which clearly shows how much damage is done from a small number of strokes. Indeed the first is arguably the most significant. So the suggestion that the low number of strokes inflicted would have allowed for the guy to sit etc., is dubious at best. I suspect the real reason not much damage was done was that they went very easy on him for political reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.49.59.19 ( talk) 22:54, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I propose that this article be moved to "The whipping of Michael P. Fay" the individual has no standalone notability. 117.195.83.65 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:08, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand what you think would be achieved by changing the name of the article. Even if we did, there would still have to be a redirect from the present title. Think of it from the point of view of a WP reader trying to find out about this case: what do you think they will search for? -- Alarics ( talk) 08:39, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
I propose this article be moved to "The caning of Michael P. Fay" 59.94.210.197 ( talk) 02:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
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The links are all fringe websites that don't seem to like global connectivity, racial diversity, or any outcome that isn't an all out race war. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/2603:6010:f00:3c:75c9:5aef:88c:b704 ( talk) 02:04, 23 July 2021 (UTC).