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BetacommandBot ( talk) 04:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I wonder whether we could add a section about literary reference. What is the Wikipedia standard?
In this case, I'm thinking of the strong allusions to Lovecraft's universe found in this (amazing) short story.
Reality3chick ( talk) 21:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I really disagree with removing my spoiler warning. I don't know yet if there are Wiki rules about this, but encyclopedias DON'T have to include whole stories in order to do their job; this is not Reader's Digest, this is _about_ a work. I'd get angry if I came across an article like this, just wanting to learn about an author's work and be given spoilers. If there is no further discussion on this, I plan to put the warning back; meanwhile I'll research this policy further.
Reality3chick ( talk) 23:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a paragraph on the "High Ones" that I remember differently than the pdf I just saw on the web. --Rich Peterson 75.45.106.99 ( talk) 05:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The importance of this story in the Heinlein universe is in how the paradoxes are resolved, or not. Heinlein maintained that there were no paradoxes in time travel and he attempts to show that, but he cannot deal with the dictionary (the "notebook") that Bob finds. Bob copies the notebook and leaves it behind for "Bob" to find, but where did the original one come from? Later stories by Heinlein seem to avoid this issue... In any event, this article, having mentioned paradoxes in the lead (no, I won't call it a "lede") should deal with the subject. 72.179.63.75 ( talk) 04:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC) Eric
I recently came across a letter written by Heinlein to Theodore Sturgeon in which he denies that BY HIS BOOTSTRAPS is about a time travel paradox:
I have had a dirty suspicion since I was about six that all consciousness is one and that all the actors I see around me (including my enemies) are myself, at different points in the record's grooves. I once partly explored this in a story called BY HIS BOOTSTRAPS. I say "partly" because I touched on one point only—and the story was mistaken by the readers (most of them) for a time-travel paradox story...whereas I was investigating whether "the wine we thought we swallered could make us dream of all that follered...but we was only simple seamen so of course we couldn't know."
I'm no good at editing articles, but perhaps someone more capable would like to implement this into the article.
Full letter can be found here.
2001:980:AD79:1:8C77:2C27:4CFD:CA93 ( talk) 14:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
May I change this passage "(the etymology is not explained - "Diktor" might be derived from "doctor", "director" and/or "dictator")" into smth like "(the etymology is not explained - "Diktor" might be derived from 'dictate' from latin root 'dicto' and mean '(the only) one who tells (what to do)"? Source: Wiktionary. [ [1]] How to put it into sources? Or would it be original research and thus no good? Btw, estonian and russian word 'diktor' means announcer, as in television or radio news anchor. The one who tells things to all others. BirgittaMTh ( talk) 09:14, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Any gifted explainers on Wikipedia? Because the various phone calls Bob has with Genevieve are in important part of the plot, but if I tried to explain it, the plot description would get as long as the novella itself. Also Diktor's list of music for Bob to purchase were probably intended by Heinlein to say something. Rich ( talk) 20:49, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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Image:By His Bootstraps ASF Oct 1941.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 04:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I wonder whether we could add a section about literary reference. What is the Wikipedia standard?
In this case, I'm thinking of the strong allusions to Lovecraft's universe found in this (amazing) short story.
Reality3chick ( talk) 21:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I really disagree with removing my spoiler warning. I don't know yet if there are Wiki rules about this, but encyclopedias DON'T have to include whole stories in order to do their job; this is not Reader's Digest, this is _about_ a work. I'd get angry if I came across an article like this, just wanting to learn about an author's work and be given spoilers. If there is no further discussion on this, I plan to put the warning back; meanwhile I'll research this policy further.
Reality3chick ( talk) 23:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a paragraph on the "High Ones" that I remember differently than the pdf I just saw on the web. --Rich Peterson 75.45.106.99 ( talk) 05:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The importance of this story in the Heinlein universe is in how the paradoxes are resolved, or not. Heinlein maintained that there were no paradoxes in time travel and he attempts to show that, but he cannot deal with the dictionary (the "notebook") that Bob finds. Bob copies the notebook and leaves it behind for "Bob" to find, but where did the original one come from? Later stories by Heinlein seem to avoid this issue... In any event, this article, having mentioned paradoxes in the lead (no, I won't call it a "lede") should deal with the subject. 72.179.63.75 ( talk) 04:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC) Eric
I recently came across a letter written by Heinlein to Theodore Sturgeon in which he denies that BY HIS BOOTSTRAPS is about a time travel paradox:
I have had a dirty suspicion since I was about six that all consciousness is one and that all the actors I see around me (including my enemies) are myself, at different points in the record's grooves. I once partly explored this in a story called BY HIS BOOTSTRAPS. I say "partly" because I touched on one point only—and the story was mistaken by the readers (most of them) for a time-travel paradox story...whereas I was investigating whether "the wine we thought we swallered could make us dream of all that follered...but we was only simple seamen so of course we couldn't know."
I'm no good at editing articles, but perhaps someone more capable would like to implement this into the article.
Full letter can be found here.
2001:980:AD79:1:8C77:2C27:4CFD:CA93 ( talk) 14:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
May I change this passage "(the etymology is not explained - "Diktor" might be derived from "doctor", "director" and/or "dictator")" into smth like "(the etymology is not explained - "Diktor" might be derived from 'dictate' from latin root 'dicto' and mean '(the only) one who tells (what to do)"? Source: Wiktionary. [ [1]] How to put it into sources? Or would it be original research and thus no good? Btw, estonian and russian word 'diktor' means announcer, as in television or radio news anchor. The one who tells things to all others. BirgittaMTh ( talk) 09:14, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Any gifted explainers on Wikipedia? Because the various phone calls Bob has with Genevieve are in important part of the plot, but if I tried to explain it, the plot description would get as long as the novella itself. Also Diktor's list of music for Bob to purchase were probably intended by Heinlein to say something. Rich ( talk) 20:49, 8 June 2020 (UTC)