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I've added the OTRS cleanup tag to the bulying is a thing of bad behavior article per ticket number 2006122210009701. Thanks, M a rtinp23 23:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
In this article refrence #26 goes to a 404 error, the new link is
http://www.workplacebullying.org/targets/problem/definition.html Is it possible to get that updated? (sorry if this is in the wrong section)
Garynamie (
talk) 18:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I have fixed it for you - ref 27 actually. -- Penbat ( talk) 18:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Garynamie ( talk) 21:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I wish to despute the nutrality of this page it's leaning towards being anti-bullying, i'm not saying bullying is good but even the page on rape has to be neutral —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bully25 ( talk • contribs) 00:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
I agree this article is tremendrously biased -- Usien6 22:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
This article is digustingly biased. HappyDragon ( talk) 02:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
If you need help with bullying problems go to ... www.Ask-Fred.piczo.com !!! It really helped me ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.144.100 ( talk) 16:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Has Zeraeph done anything at Wikipedia that made you think that he or she is a bully? How about a target? How about a bystander? What is it that he or she did? Why did you think like that? ~~ Raistlin Majere ~~
Zeraeph - you do not check your information before allowing it - There is no legislation in Ontario that protects people from psychological harassment. I am currently working with the MPP who is working on it. You have called me a vandal - and threatened me. Ok, it is now time for me to take this to the head of wikipedia. You do not have the right to call names, and bully people like that. I gave you phone numbers to call (Ontario Occupational Health and Safety – 416-314-5421). You do not validate your info, and you bully people who try to correct things based on fact. The text you refer to is old, and the Act has NOT been revised yet. Unless parliament house votes to pass the bill-45 then it is NOT a law - thus no protection. It does not matter what is on the internet website. The important document is the legal act that impacts peoples use of the Human Rights Act & Ontario Health and Safety Act. You can call the MPP working on this if you would like more confirmation of my information www.andreahorwath.ca . Neither of these Acts cover bullying/psychological harassment in Ontario. So far people have had to go through the Court system and fight hard.
To answer your question - YES Zeraeph is bullying people on the net with her editorship. Name calling & threatening is Bullying. You sent me a note via Talk telling me I am a vandal and you will report me breaking wiki codes - fine report me - bring it on - my information is correct and I am insulted you are fighting so hard to maintain faults information. - You need to relook at Namie's,UNISON 1997,Helge Hoel & Cary L Cooper, 2000 pieces of work. All published professionally and list out bullying behavior.
Also Zeraeph - you do not know everyones one back ground who comes here, to suggest we simply wake up one morning declaring ourself experts is ignorance! ~~Tamara Parris~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.193.242 ( talk) 13:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I just had to remove a lot of text, some of which suggested important information to me, all of which was posted in a single hour without one single citation.
It even included the dreaded words: "I estimate one person in thirty has this behaviour profile. I describe them as having a disordered personality"
See WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a showcase for your personal opinions and ideas, whether they be good, bad or indifferent. It is an encyclopaedia of verifiable information that must cite valid (see WP:SOURCE) and verifiable (see WP:V) information.
Apart from which I honestly cannot imagine a case where the word I should appear in a namespace...unless in paranthesis, as part of a quote. -- Zeraeph 10:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
There is an growing volume of subjectivity, partial information and misinformation on this topic on the internet posted by self appointed experts, most usually individuals who self report as "victims of bullying", which, however well -intentioned they may be, makes them too subjective and inclined to over identify to the point of not just POV but some serious distortions.
The trouble is it is just TOO EASY fall into the trap of assuming that some of this misinformation is established and verified fact or academic theory, when, too often it is just one person's, subjective, thinking.
I think it is very important on Wikipedia to dismiss all that misinformation and get back to established and verified fact or academic theory, from reputable sources and objective experts.
I personally feel bullying is a very important topic and that we owe it to those who have been bullied, are being bullied and will be bullied to present the most thorough, valid, objective and balanced information we can find.
Because of the plethora of misinformation already available, I am hoping we can try to achieve this by sticking to citing sources that people can, at least partially, check for themselves, rather than obscure paper only sources?
Let's do it, huh? -- Zeraeph 12:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
--In regard to issues such as this, it’s equally subjective to label a view one doesn’t agree with as “misinformation.” I fit the profile of one of those people who were victims of severe school bullying (and have written a thinly-veiled personal memoir (“Pride’s Prison”), a free access short story published online concerning such) who has established a website devoted to the anti-bullying cause. To paraphrase Herman Wouk in The Winds of War: “There are worse ways to learn war than by serving in the trenches.”
Much of what I recount and advise at my site has been echoed by recognized “experts” in the field whom I have since read. My credentials are the three years in Purgatory I endured as a parochial school student in the sixties. So when a perceived expert advises something, it’s credible? When someone like me advises the exact same thing from an empirical perspective, it’s “misinformation”?
I consider my website to be the “right wing” of the anti-school bullying movement because I have no tolerance for whining. I have a more restrictive view as to what constitutes school bullying than do most anti-bullying experts, and I don’t give a damn for what reason (pretext) a child is targeted by school sadists. I do not, for example, consider social exclusion to be a form of bullying. I only argue for a child’s right to be simply left alone so he or she can have the benefit of the education his or her parents are paying for with their taxes or tuition in an atmosphere conducive to learning.
Children have the same right to free association as do adults, and it is up to each person to navigate his or her way through one’s social environment. (When a lack of such is part of the problem, I advocate working with a youngster to improve his or her social graces.) Those who whine about social exclusion don’t have a problem with bullying. Rather, they have a problem with self-esteem. If that whole damned class had “sent me to Coventry,” I would have been ecstatic!
Nor do I consider shaking down school kids for lunch money to be true bullying if the victim is just one of several. True bullying is always personal; the motive is always sadism. Juvenile delinquency is another topic.
In short, I consider true and severe school bullying to be much more restricted than indicated by the insipid claims thrown about such as: “Fifty percent of all kids have been bullied in school.” Such absurd statistics only serve to cheapen the problem. To be singled out for torment day after day for an extended period of time is something relatively few youngsters have had to cope with.
These relatively few kids are the true victims of school bullying in any meaningful sense of the word, and the whiners who claim their status over trivial incidents, as well as the “experts” who support such claims by citing irresponsible statistics, persecute them twice. Fifty percent of the kids in my sixth grade class were not tormented. The actual percentage had been 1.82 (1/55); i.e., me, by about a half-dozen kids. The rest just looked on and kept quiet.
So by asserting that true bullying is only defined by acts of commission and not omission, and is rarer than most experts claim, am I disseminating misinformation in your point of view or asserting an opinion as least as credible as those of experts you acknowledge? Donald Schneider —Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryBuff14 ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I know this might not be the best place to put this, but why the hell was the bullycide article deleted? Thomasiscool 22:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Zeraeph, and I think its an important subject that's worthy of an article. Thomasiscool 22:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. But is there someplace else we can put the information from that article, perhaps a section in the bullying article? Thomasiscool 19:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I may be biased against "fictional examples", but I went to the deleted article and looked at the real-life examples. If we decide to use these examples, I'll probably need to undelete the history of the bullycide article and redirect it to bully to preserve GFDL attribution requirements. Therefore, please just look at these examples and discuss them before we put them in the main article. I need to preserve GFDL before we put this content up:
Remember, these need to be cited per Wikipedia:Citing sources. Right now, Jared High is the only one to contain sufficient information to be included. We'll need some sources for the other three before we can include them. -- Deathphoenix ʕ 20:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
As a word, "Bullycide" means bully-kill, not "death by bullying". So it applies to bullies being killed by their victims, not how sometimes victims of bullying commit suicide. In any event, the word should be used in a reliable source before we use it in this article. -- GunnarRene 00:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
If you're looking for sources, just google "bullycide". I guarantee there will be more than enough results. And like I suggested, we wouldn't necessarily have to even use the word "bullycide". If, for example, it was a section in this article, it could be called "Cases of death as a result of bullying" or something to that effect. Thomasiscool 20:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Then it seems to make sense to add to that. The word "bullycide" doesn't even need to be mentioned. Thomasiscool 01:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Since everyone seems to agree on this issue, I have added the examples from the defunct Bullycide article to the Effects section of this article, plus a source. If anyone doesn't agree with this, please discuss changes before making them. Many thanks, Thomasiscool 23:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
The only problem now is getting permission to use the sites. ZackM 01:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)ZackM
Thanks, I was just looking for some sources myself. However, I have added Reena Virk as an example, because I think we should have at least one example that was not suicide. Thomasiscool 01:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Were you thinking of adults dying as a result of workplace bullying or as a result of bullying by youth? Thomasiscool 23:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and on another note, I think we should consider making the names of the examples we have, except those who already have their own pages, to redirect to this article. Any thoughts? Thomasiscool 23:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Its starting to sound like a good idea, since there are so many cases. And I agree that we should include some examples from outside North America, though these seem to be hard to come across, unfortunately. Thomasiscool 15:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
In Delaware, United States ... and perhaps in other states ... legislation has appeared in the form of the "School Bullying Prevention Act" [1] which aims "to provide a safer learning environment for students attending public schools". I am not familiar with the topic in general and thought I would mention this here in case anyone would like to pursue it from any suitable angle. Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
A great company to talk with about Bullying Training and Prevention in schools is PublicSchoolWORKS. They provide online training that teaches preventative measures on School Bullying and how to identify problems before they get out of hand. It also has assessments that are reportable and able to be stored for school staff to show that training is complete on this subject. Their company website is http://corp.publicschoolworks.com/ They are able to make sure that each training class is applicable nationally and the state it is being used in as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.161.243.3 ( talk) 19:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ THIS I am currently a schoolchild in year 6 (11 yrs) the name of the bully is best kept anonymous because I DON'T WANT FUSS! you see this person is a '''very nasty brat''' as like 2 describe her she swears at me and makes me feel sad all the time i dont tell people everything she does but she makes me feel so small. I have 2 hide my saddness from lots of people including teachers. I am sooo upset and cannot enjoy things in life I may be feeling sorry 4 myself but bullying makes u feel hurt, upset, sad and so worred it makes u ill.
IT NEEDS 2 STOP OR MILLIONS OF KIDS LIKE ME SHALL SUFFER!!
Any idea on the source of these idiots, anyone? MojoTas 07:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
totaly agrree!! from ??????????
I have removed the image being used as I do not see how it is "an example of a bully". We do not need stereotyping here thank you -- Speed Air Man 11:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the fact that Drill Sergeants and Basic Training are officially approved institutionalized bullying seen as necessary for the breaking down of for bonds, associations and identity in order to forge a new bond of joint identity and goals --- esprit de corps. I hope this can be reintroduced into the section on the military.
This is the copy from a document that illustrates my point. It is from Chapter 17 - Management of recruit suicide
BEGINNING OF QUOTED MATERIAL U’Ren’s observations instrumentally changed the training policy at West Point. The command decreased the pressure on cadets in 1971. Subsequent analysis found that mental health and suicidal ideation visits dropped significantly while attrition remained constant. In fact, by letting out those who wanted out, the process became not only less painful for all cadets, but also allowed tactical officers and cadet leaders to focus more attention on new cadets who wanted to stay.
- U’Ren RC. The nature of change at West Point. J Am Coll Health Assoc. 1974;22:185–188.
Contagion of suicidal ideation and behavior, like suicidal risk, is multidetermined. Two prominent factors that affect the risk of suicidal contagion for teenagers, soldiers in war, and military recruits are unit (or group) cohesion and morale. Those who are alienated and demoralized are more likely to identify with a suicidal peer.
- Human Rights Watch. The wrongs of passage: Inhuman and degrading treatment of new recruits in the Russian armed forces. Human Rights Watch 2004;16. Available at: hrw.org/reports/2004/russia1004/
In the military, unit cohesion and unit morale are closely related. Cohesion, which fosters high morale, has two primary components
(1) horizontal cohesion, determined by one’s confidence in and loyalty to peers
(2) vertical cohesion, determined by one’s confidence in and loyalty to leadership.
- Manning FJ. Morale and cohesion in military psychiatry. In: Jones FD, ed. Military Psychiatry: Preparing in Peace for War. Washington, DC: Department of the Army, Office of The Surgeon General; 1994: 1–18.
The dynamics of cohesion development in a training unit are different than in a regular unit. In the training unit, the intense focus on group-level rewards and punishments is intended to build esprit de corps - loyalty and commitment to the ideals, values, and structure of the military and respect for and identification with leaders. This becomes the basis for remolding individuals from multicultural civilians into a team that embraces common values, goals, and methods of achieving goals. Successful recruits carry this sense of teamwork on to their first duty assignment. Although horizontal cohesion remains weak in the training unit because of its temporary nature, those who complete the training cycle identify themselves as a special and successful group—an important component of unit cohesion.
- U’Ren RC. The nature of change at West Point. J Am Coll Health Assoc. 1974;22:185–188. - U’Ren RC, Conrad FE, Patterson PH. A year’s experience in student mental health at West Point. Am J Psychiatry. 1973;130:643–647.
During training, high stress, competition, and the need to see oneself as fit and worthy may seriously hinder capacity for empathy with those who struggle—the less fit or less worthy. Although the lack of peer-to-peer empathy detracts from horizontal cohesion, the constrained training environment and the ubiquitous influence of drill sergeants foster strong vertical cohesion (at least from the trainees toward the cadre). This strong vertical cohesion, along with the example set by the cadre and command, plays the most prominent
role in determining a training unit’s overall cohesion and morale, and concurrently influences the risk of suicidal contagion.
Trainees experience especially high levels of stress during the early part of training. During this time trainees are most likely to become symptomatic, and the risk of contagion is highest.
- Cigrang JA, Carbone EG, Todd S, Fiedler E. Mental health attrition from Air Force basic military training. Mil Med. 1998;163:834–838. - Armon C, Hadas N, Revach M. Medicine in the basic combat training period (recruits medicine). I: The approach to the recruit. Mil Med. 1984;149:579–587. - Bourne PG. Some observations on the psychosocial phenomena seen in basic training. Psychiatry. 1967;30:187–196. - Carbone EG, Cigrang JA, Todd SL, Fiedler ER. Predicting outcome of military basic training for individuals referred for psychological evaluation. J Pers Assess. 1999;72:256–265. - Clemons EP. Monitoring anxiety levels and coping skills among military recruits. Mil Med. 1996;161:18–21. - Englert DR, Hunter CL, Sweeney BJ. Mental health evaluations of US Air Force basic military training and technical training students. Mil Med. 2003;168:904–910. - Koshes RJ, Rothberg JM. Parasuicidal behavior on an active duty army training post. Mil Med. 1992;157:350–353. - Talcott GW, Haddock CK, Klesges RC, Lando H, Fiedler E. Prevalence and predictors of discharge in United States - Air Force Basic Military Training. Mil Med. 1999;164:269–274.
Not every recruit with an acute stress reaction needs a mental health referral, and not every recruit with a mental health referral will fail training. Active implementation of techniques that help recruits manage stress and develop better coping skills, combined with alert observation of those who are unable to benefit from such techniques, will help command more accurately assess who is at high risk.
Some suggested techniques to improve stress management include the following:
• Leadership acknowledgment that training is stressful, that overcoming stress has rewards, that those who struggle deserve compassion, and that the military is not for everyone. • Educational groups for trainees modeled on cognitive-behavioral therapeutic principles that explore the range of responses to the challenges of military training. • Opportunities for trainees to engage in noncompetitive bonding experiences.
Tucker and U’Ren describe varying social and environmental factors that may influence the numbers who might be affected by a parasuicide epidemic: • Change in likely assignment (ie, recently declared war). • Change in harshness of training, either because of policy or burned-out training personnel. • Change in standards for acceptance for training.
- Tucker GJ, Gorman ER. The significance of the suicide gesture in the military. Am J Psychiatry. 1967;123:854–861. - U’Ren RC, Conrad FE, Patterson PH. A year’s experience in student mental health at West Point. Am J Psychiatry. 1973;130:643–647.
from page 11 - www.bordeninstitute.army.mil/published_volumes/recruit_medicine/RM-ch17.pdf
Kiwi 09:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I ask these questions in the hope of stimulating discussion that will come to improve the article.
How should a law be written to stop bullying? What does the number of bullied nerds divided by the number of nerds equal? Why not separate bullies and targets by classroom? What is the origin of bullying in history? Can bullies be sued for intentional infliction of emotional distress? Do you know if your children are going to be a target? Does bullying disrupt a student’s ability to learn or a school’s ability to educate? Is bullying like saying "look what is going to happen to you if you become the leader of a rebel group"? 201.80.179.2 15:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I've heard it said that it can take 10 years for people to recover from bullying. I think I heard this in the context of school bullying but I would be interested to know if this could be extended to workplace bullying as well. Is there any reference for this that can be used? If there is the article could be modified to show this.
Soarhead77 14:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is wrong with bullying, will someone tell me
I think if you read the main article your questions will be answered
Soarhead77 18:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I AGREE U HAV LOTS OF EXPERIEMCE AND U ARE VERY NICE. LUV CANT TELL U MY NAME.COM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.236.144 ( talk) 19:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
It is not clear if this is referring to contemporary thinking or past (out dated) thinking. Rewording the section would help. Also, the suggestion that bullying the bully is the most effective response is certainly questionable. For the most part, the victim is selected by the bully precisely because they are less capable to respond in kind and also less likely to have allies to support them.
To suggest that the victim to respond in kind is likely to escalate the situation and put the victim at risk of physical injury.
Certainly, however, there was a perception that (in schools at least) that bullying was part of growing up ... kid's stuff. However, for the kids involved, it is the real thing ... they are kids and their entire world is "kid's stuff."
There is a much greater understanding of not only the short term impacts, but also the long-term impacts of bullying ... both in terms of the bullies and the bullied. Specifically there are now studies that look at potentially causal relationships between problems that emerge later in life and roles as either (or both) bullies and bullied as children.
There seems to be little in this article that links childhood bullying and long term social consequences; an area that is receiving an increasing amount of attention from both academic and practical view-points.
Female violence (google), domestic vice (the common but rarely acknowledged use and misuse of sexual and relational power for money, 'success' and control in marriage or other 'respectable' relationships), relational aggression, parental alienation or other forms of alienation, ostracism or shunning are forms or psychological bullying often used by the 'fairer' sex for bullying and are sometimes used by men as well. These kinds of bullying although far more subtle than 'male' bullying are well known to cause serious psycho-social damage to the targets. Any complete article on bullying needs to include all forms of bullying. 72.215.181.137 02:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I have read this page but did not find any reason why it really happens.
I might say that people who are in someway naive or they tend to show appeal or superiority seem to have signs of stupidity in human.While a human is not a animal but those who tend to tell superiority show some behaviors of animals.Bullying it mostly appears in work and is inevitable at school regions and there I could say only the "Stupid" individuals turn agressive instead solving problems in logical manner instead of using agression. I mean there is a link between intelligence and bullying.
This maybe not sourced infromations but I expressed it and since this is a page of discussion I really want a defenition for bullying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.81.147 ( talk) 17:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree completely; there is a lot of description on what bullying is, what it causes when people experience it, organizations that exist to deal with it, and so on, but nowhere on either this page or related pages is there any discussion on the causes of bullying. I am hardly an expert (other than being bullied myself as a kid, like many), but I think this is a pretty big omission, and would like to have someone knowledgeable correct it, if possible. Dougom ( talk) 17:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
An anon contributed this:
Grandparents and Parents believe buyyling won't happen in Special Needs School well it does. The Teachers and Staff in Speical Needs School of the North Yorkshire Area say things like: "He She Stands Up For Him/Herself," "If You Go Out There You'll Get Lost," "Don't Want You To Go There Anymore," when they say things like that to you at Special Needs School it's racial descrimination cause your at a Special Needs School that really does believe your not allowed to do normal or go through normal or have normal things in life cause your at a Special Needs School. They make it out as though your ill all the time especially when one becomes ill and they work out as though what you go through at certain ages such as when your age 13 pubity happens either in class shower home or outside to them it's a crime when it's legal and common for one to go through changes of pubity and extentions of body at that age. Don't send your Sons & Daughters to Special Needs School. You've been warned. Then when someone else goes through pubity after the Teachers and Staff and from others outside of Special Needs School beat them up they work out that that happened to you too without Teachers and Staff realising that it happens to us all at that age and then the Teachers and Staff at Special Needs School laugh about with an evil grinn as if it's a joke if your telling them so. Even when evidence comes in of it does happen to you at that age then they disregard it as your mistake and crime cause they've really realised that they've made a mistake cause they don't want to get sacked etc. The Teachers and Staff at Special Needs Schools are just Bullies and Jerks in some of them of the North Yorkshire Area. You've been wanred.
It may be important stuff (life experience tells me it is, but that is WP:OR, seeing it as "Bullying" is somkething I hadn't thought of though) but it really needs citation and writing up in an encyclopaedic style. ---- Zeraeph ( talk) 19:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Whoo, strange.
Summary, slightly more encyclopedic and less rambly. Uncited, for now. Mostly anecdotal. Needs more work, lots and LOTS of work, or a definite zap.
Legal guardians of special needs students believe bullying does not happen, though an anon's as-yet unsubstantiated WP:OR says that it does. The teachers and staff of these schools seem to misinterpret these instances of bullying as standing up for oneself. Anon believes that it is racial discrimination, though it has not been shown that all special needs students are, in fact, of a separate and removed race from non-special needs students. Furthermore, Anon believes that these teachers believe that these students cannot lead normal lives and have some sort of fatal illness. Anon does not recommend sending your children to these schools, and warns against the physical abuse they may encounter. The teachers will, apparently, laugh with an evil grin "as if it's a joke", and disregard any solid evidence as if it were the special needs student's fault for fear of losing their jobs.
Cheers. 90.178.52.11 ( talk) 19:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
A bully may often be a bully and a victim at the same time. Most bullies have been hurt at one time, and need help, not isolation.
vs
However many bullies have never suffered bullying themselves and only bully others because it is fun and it has nothing to do with being bullied when they were younger, to impress other people or to be socialy accepted.
Psychology/sociology deals with subjects that are hard to quantify and so often lead to contradictions like this which would indicate to me that we should be honest and say we just don't know, rather than put in statements like 'most..' or 'many...'
Kghose ( talk) 15:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if the situation is different in other English-speaking countries, but the US has indeed provided a legal definition for bullying. I'm suprised that the lead paragaraph would state outright that there is no legal definition. Indeed, this sort of obvious error makes one wonder about the reliablity of other articles.
• Several states do not define bullying in their state laws. Those that do define the term vary in the types of behaviors that constitute bullying. Examples include the following: Colorado: “Any written or verbal expression, or physical act or gesture, or a pattern thereof, that is intended to cause distress upon one or more students.” Georgia: “Any willful attempt or threat to inflict injury on another person…or any intentional display of force such as would give the victim reason to fear or expect immediate bodily harm.” [2]
And this wasn't even hard to find. I just googled "bullying legislation" and followed one of the first 10 links. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 20:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Who makes this suggestion? And is the suggestion than it is mostly the risk that bullying might lead to school shootings, that motivates anti-bullying campaigns? Not that bullying is in itself wrong?
Also, are the programs listed above the only things that are advised? Are there any schools that try making the bullies stop, with counseling, detention or expulsion? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 20:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I made a {{ main}} link to school bullying, but that redirected here. Is this is hint that most bullying takes place in school? Or that schools tolerate it, or what? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 15:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello. For the 'External Links' section, could you please add: Bullying. No way! (Australia - schools) [3] Bullying. No way! website is an ongoing collaborative initiative representing, and funded by, all Australia's education authorities (Federal, State and Territory, Catholic and Independent) for the benefit of all school communities. It provides trusted information about bullying, harassment and violence and the development of safer and more supportive school communities, lots of examples of effective practice contributed by schools, artworks, poetry and writing by students and a growing bank of ideas for teachers and school leaders. It addresses both the obvious signs of bullying as well as the underlying issues of power and discrimination such as homophobia. It's non-commercial and doesn't use or pay for advertising, however it comes up #1 or #2 in Australian and world Google searches and receives a lot of visitors from Australia and the US. (Wikipedia's bullying page usually comes first of course!) Is it possible to include it in the list? Thank you. Chris Henderson, project officer, national Safe and Supportive School Communities project. Chrisjune ( talk) 13:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The Olweus Bullying Prevention Program was designed for students in the elementary, middle, and secondary schools to understand and improve the concept of bullying. It has been implemented in more than a dozen countries around the world. This program has shown positive results in reducing bullying among students who are educated in the program. It provides the students with questions and answers and shows them what to do if bullying happens to them or even around them. It also gives them ways to handle bully-like situations. The more this program spreads the more likely bullying is to decrease in school districts all around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ers4 ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Ignorant Americans! Now go fix it! Americans are so stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.252.151 ( talk) 09:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Why are you going to ban me? I was trying to improve Wikipedia! By the way, the use of hopefully in the article is not correct. Obviously I enjoyed more education than you. No offense. 76.178.252.151 ( talk) 10:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I am going to rephrase the sentence. 76.178.252.151 ( talk) 10:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I just made Wikipedia a little better. I just made Wikipedia slightly less torturous for those of us who are geniuses to read. 76.178.252.151 ( talk) 10:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
"...for those of us who are geniuses to read." Um, nicely put. Judging by your grammar, I'm guessing you don't fit into the category of reading genius then? 212.84.123.184 ( talk) 23:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
No matter how well meant it may be, Wikipedia is not supposed to be a "how-to guide" and it is inappropriate to have lists of "what can/should be done" to stop bullying. Personally, I especially find the "teach child how to protect him/herself physically and verbally" -- which is one of the reasons that those who are bullied are often bullies themselves (citable, but no, I'm not going to look it up). Childhood bullying is both psychologically and sociologically a true niche with truly unique non-overlapping features.
This article also focuses almost exclusively on childhood bullying and it should be migrated to its own article page as it has always deserved more room for coverage with the vast amount of exclusively relevant research. This would leave Bullying to be more appropriately developed as an umbrella article about the psychological and sociological roots of bullying behavior and the development of bullying personalities. Spotted Owl ( talk) 18:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
It was lifted a few months ago but this article continues to get vandalised on a daily basis-- Penbat ( talk) 10:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I am up for protecting this page, it is under continuous attack from people with conflicting interests and therefore a sham. Wikipedia seems to lack the type of control needed to prevent this.
Dixx (
talk) 07:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
It is essential that this is covered in this article. Projection allows the emotionally flawed bully to offload his own inadequacies and feelings of shame onto a victim and claiming that the victim is to blame and the bully is the victim.-- Penbat ( talk) 16:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Is a project in Australia designed to form Angel groups within schools of bullied students and to provide them with support. It also has a program for teachers to use to deal with bullying in schools and teach tolerance to students and for schools to work together to help bullied students and deal with bullying. It also uses the state public transit system to set up safe areas and is training transit officers in how to identify bullying. see School Angels —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qplanet ( talk • contribs) 20:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
bullying is a very bad thing to do and no one should do it —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
72.68.176.93 (
talk) 20:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like to question the validity of this statement:
Bullies hurt people verbally and physically because they themselves have been the victim of bullying, (e.g. a bullying child who is abused at home, or bullying adults who are abused by their colleagues).
While it may be true in certain cases, I don't think this statement such be given as the sole explanation for bullying behaviour. In any case, would it be possible to at least back this statement with some reference? Hroswith ( talk) 13:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Under the External Links section for bullying, I find this at top of the list:
The title for this link is "bully prevention resources" a very generic, seemingly non-commercial link. Follow it, and you find it's a company that does presentations at schools using their mascot "Bully the Frog"! One gets the feeling this link was added by the bullyfrog.com people themselves. Removing it. (By the way, Im very new to wikipedia, so: Im not sure what the procedure is. Should I have brought up issue here, waited for feedback, then acted. Acted, let someone else revert if i was incorrect, etc. etc. Any way, pls drop me a line if I'm out of line, but this external link seems out of line: someone clicks it thinking, "Oh, A compendium of resources for this issue," then hits a site trying to sell "Bully the Frog" to grade schools? Crazy.) At the time someone has a legitimate link for the given rubric "Bully Prevention Resources" we will use that link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petzl ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Bullying is really bad and I dont understand why people do it. It makes people feel bad about themselves and some people commit suecide. So, why do they do it?
While bullying is talked about often in schools, it is grossly over dramatized. It does not occur as often as people think it does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huddy1000 ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1850405,00.html
This is a TIME article about bullying. It would make a good source or an EL. WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed that all the documentaries about bullying always and I mean always have some sort of "Bullies have problems and that gives them an excuse" part. Like thats supposed to make people feel better. I really hope they ban those things. seriously I really do ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.100.92 ( talk) 20:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
When It Happens
Bullieing usually occurs during 2 people mainly, the bully and the victim but often there are by-standers around while it happens, it can be physical or verbal. Often people become bullies after getting bullied in the past sometimes bullies do it to feel like they have power over someone else. It can sometimes be prevented by talking to adults or the bully but sometimes it doesn't stop so easily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.45.34 ( talk) 00:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I think reference 21 is not correct: see www.ustreas.gov/usss/ntac/ssi_guide.pdf It should read: Threat Assessment in Schools: a guide to managing threatening situations and to creating safe school climates, by Robert A. Fein, Bryan Vossekuil, William S. Pollack, Randy Borum, William Modzeleski, and Marisa Reddy. Rainsound ( talk) 19:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Bullying takes place mainly in the hallways. many teachers don't keep their eyes on the hallways and it causes them to see alot less of what goes on in them. many kids get phushed and shoved and the teachers never see it cause they are to busy to take one quick look. this should be stopped!!! NOW!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.7.118.74 ( talk) 21:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello. This is my first time editing a wiki article, and its really just tiny change. Instead of recognized, they typed recognised. Maybe, somewhere else that is the way you spell it, but I do not believe so. I know this is a miniscule mistake, but I am only trying to improve Wikipedia. -- Tanagram ( talk) 03:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
but my experience has been that if you stand up to a bully, they will back down every time. does anyone have any suggestions for where i might look for methods for dealing with a bully so that i can add a section? Statesboropow ( talk) 03:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
i on't really think that bullying should be allowed but even if it is not allowed people still do it and i hate it it can even include hitting someone which is the bad one and saying something that would hurt the other persons feelings and if it ever happened to me i would not like it at all —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.218.133 ( talk) 19:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I can explain this contradiction in terms of pathological narcissism. The false self of a narcissistic bully has high self-esteem. The true self of a narcissistic bully has low self-esteem. I havent put it in as I dont have a suitable supporting citation at present.-- Penbat ( talk) 13:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Why am I not reading a section on how potential bully victims overcome bullies? I don't want to hear about what comes after bullying, but as it occurs. Why isn't there a section on standing up to the bully? Is it because we don't want people to overcome life challenges on their own ie: Erik Erikson's stages of development. Wouldn't it seem that if a child defeated their bully, that they would succeed in regards to several of development's challenges? ........ 67.175.118.239 ( talk) 09:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Under the map of which U.S. states have which kind of anti-bullying laws, the key to the map is as follows (color-coding is omitted here):
"Some states in the United States have implemented laws to address school bullying."
"Law prohibits bullying of students based on sexual orientation and gender identity"
"Law prohibits bullying of students based on sexual orientation"
"School regulation or ethical code for teachers that address bullying of students based on sexual orientation"
"Law prohibits bullying in school but lists no categories of protection"
"No statewide law that specifically prohibits bullying in schools"
It appears that whoever chose the ordering of the categories here intended them to start with the strongest laws and progressively list weaker and weaker laws.
But the next-to-last category is clearly the strongest by far, since it outlaws ALL forms of bullying without qualification. This category should go first (and be coded with the color at one extreme of the color gamut used). The rest of the ordering is adequate.
Of course, once an anti-bullying law mentions only certain categories of bullying, then (without further information) the implication is that all other categories of bullying are legal. Daqu ( talk) 01:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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I've added the OTRS cleanup tag to the bulying is a thing of bad behavior article per ticket number 2006122210009701. Thanks, M a rtinp23 23:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
In this article refrence #26 goes to a 404 error, the new link is
http://www.workplacebullying.org/targets/problem/definition.html Is it possible to get that updated? (sorry if this is in the wrong section)
Garynamie (
talk) 18:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I have fixed it for you - ref 27 actually. -- Penbat ( talk) 18:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Garynamie ( talk) 21:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I wish to despute the nutrality of this page it's leaning towards being anti-bullying, i'm not saying bullying is good but even the page on rape has to be neutral —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bully25 ( talk • contribs) 00:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
I agree this article is tremendrously biased -- Usien6 22:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
This article is digustingly biased. HappyDragon ( talk) 02:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
If you need help with bullying problems go to ... www.Ask-Fred.piczo.com !!! It really helped me ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.144.100 ( talk) 16:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Has Zeraeph done anything at Wikipedia that made you think that he or she is a bully? How about a target? How about a bystander? What is it that he or she did? Why did you think like that? ~~ Raistlin Majere ~~
Zeraeph - you do not check your information before allowing it - There is no legislation in Ontario that protects people from psychological harassment. I am currently working with the MPP who is working on it. You have called me a vandal - and threatened me. Ok, it is now time for me to take this to the head of wikipedia. You do not have the right to call names, and bully people like that. I gave you phone numbers to call (Ontario Occupational Health and Safety – 416-314-5421). You do not validate your info, and you bully people who try to correct things based on fact. The text you refer to is old, and the Act has NOT been revised yet. Unless parliament house votes to pass the bill-45 then it is NOT a law - thus no protection. It does not matter what is on the internet website. The important document is the legal act that impacts peoples use of the Human Rights Act & Ontario Health and Safety Act. You can call the MPP working on this if you would like more confirmation of my information www.andreahorwath.ca . Neither of these Acts cover bullying/psychological harassment in Ontario. So far people have had to go through the Court system and fight hard.
To answer your question - YES Zeraeph is bullying people on the net with her editorship. Name calling & threatening is Bullying. You sent me a note via Talk telling me I am a vandal and you will report me breaking wiki codes - fine report me - bring it on - my information is correct and I am insulted you are fighting so hard to maintain faults information. - You need to relook at Namie's,UNISON 1997,Helge Hoel & Cary L Cooper, 2000 pieces of work. All published professionally and list out bullying behavior.
Also Zeraeph - you do not know everyones one back ground who comes here, to suggest we simply wake up one morning declaring ourself experts is ignorance! ~~Tamara Parris~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.193.242 ( talk) 13:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I just had to remove a lot of text, some of which suggested important information to me, all of which was posted in a single hour without one single citation.
It even included the dreaded words: "I estimate one person in thirty has this behaviour profile. I describe them as having a disordered personality"
See WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a showcase for your personal opinions and ideas, whether they be good, bad or indifferent. It is an encyclopaedia of verifiable information that must cite valid (see WP:SOURCE) and verifiable (see WP:V) information.
Apart from which I honestly cannot imagine a case where the word I should appear in a namespace...unless in paranthesis, as part of a quote. -- Zeraeph 10:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
There is an growing volume of subjectivity, partial information and misinformation on this topic on the internet posted by self appointed experts, most usually individuals who self report as "victims of bullying", which, however well -intentioned they may be, makes them too subjective and inclined to over identify to the point of not just POV but some serious distortions.
The trouble is it is just TOO EASY fall into the trap of assuming that some of this misinformation is established and verified fact or academic theory, when, too often it is just one person's, subjective, thinking.
I think it is very important on Wikipedia to dismiss all that misinformation and get back to established and verified fact or academic theory, from reputable sources and objective experts.
I personally feel bullying is a very important topic and that we owe it to those who have been bullied, are being bullied and will be bullied to present the most thorough, valid, objective and balanced information we can find.
Because of the plethora of misinformation already available, I am hoping we can try to achieve this by sticking to citing sources that people can, at least partially, check for themselves, rather than obscure paper only sources?
Let's do it, huh? -- Zeraeph 12:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
--In regard to issues such as this, it’s equally subjective to label a view one doesn’t agree with as “misinformation.” I fit the profile of one of those people who were victims of severe school bullying (and have written a thinly-veiled personal memoir (“Pride’s Prison”), a free access short story published online concerning such) who has established a website devoted to the anti-bullying cause. To paraphrase Herman Wouk in The Winds of War: “There are worse ways to learn war than by serving in the trenches.”
Much of what I recount and advise at my site has been echoed by recognized “experts” in the field whom I have since read. My credentials are the three years in Purgatory I endured as a parochial school student in the sixties. So when a perceived expert advises something, it’s credible? When someone like me advises the exact same thing from an empirical perspective, it’s “misinformation”?
I consider my website to be the “right wing” of the anti-school bullying movement because I have no tolerance for whining. I have a more restrictive view as to what constitutes school bullying than do most anti-bullying experts, and I don’t give a damn for what reason (pretext) a child is targeted by school sadists. I do not, for example, consider social exclusion to be a form of bullying. I only argue for a child’s right to be simply left alone so he or she can have the benefit of the education his or her parents are paying for with their taxes or tuition in an atmosphere conducive to learning.
Children have the same right to free association as do adults, and it is up to each person to navigate his or her way through one’s social environment. (When a lack of such is part of the problem, I advocate working with a youngster to improve his or her social graces.) Those who whine about social exclusion don’t have a problem with bullying. Rather, they have a problem with self-esteem. If that whole damned class had “sent me to Coventry,” I would have been ecstatic!
Nor do I consider shaking down school kids for lunch money to be true bullying if the victim is just one of several. True bullying is always personal; the motive is always sadism. Juvenile delinquency is another topic.
In short, I consider true and severe school bullying to be much more restricted than indicated by the insipid claims thrown about such as: “Fifty percent of all kids have been bullied in school.” Such absurd statistics only serve to cheapen the problem. To be singled out for torment day after day for an extended period of time is something relatively few youngsters have had to cope with.
These relatively few kids are the true victims of school bullying in any meaningful sense of the word, and the whiners who claim their status over trivial incidents, as well as the “experts” who support such claims by citing irresponsible statistics, persecute them twice. Fifty percent of the kids in my sixth grade class were not tormented. The actual percentage had been 1.82 (1/55); i.e., me, by about a half-dozen kids. The rest just looked on and kept quiet.
So by asserting that true bullying is only defined by acts of commission and not omission, and is rarer than most experts claim, am I disseminating misinformation in your point of view or asserting an opinion as least as credible as those of experts you acknowledge? Donald Schneider —Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryBuff14 ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I know this might not be the best place to put this, but why the hell was the bullycide article deleted? Thomasiscool 22:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Zeraeph, and I think its an important subject that's worthy of an article. Thomasiscool 22:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. But is there someplace else we can put the information from that article, perhaps a section in the bullying article? Thomasiscool 19:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I may be biased against "fictional examples", but I went to the deleted article and looked at the real-life examples. If we decide to use these examples, I'll probably need to undelete the history of the bullycide article and redirect it to bully to preserve GFDL attribution requirements. Therefore, please just look at these examples and discuss them before we put them in the main article. I need to preserve GFDL before we put this content up:
Remember, these need to be cited per Wikipedia:Citing sources. Right now, Jared High is the only one to contain sufficient information to be included. We'll need some sources for the other three before we can include them. -- Deathphoenix ʕ 20:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
As a word, "Bullycide" means bully-kill, not "death by bullying". So it applies to bullies being killed by their victims, not how sometimes victims of bullying commit suicide. In any event, the word should be used in a reliable source before we use it in this article. -- GunnarRene 00:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
If you're looking for sources, just google "bullycide". I guarantee there will be more than enough results. And like I suggested, we wouldn't necessarily have to even use the word "bullycide". If, for example, it was a section in this article, it could be called "Cases of death as a result of bullying" or something to that effect. Thomasiscool 20:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Then it seems to make sense to add to that. The word "bullycide" doesn't even need to be mentioned. Thomasiscool 01:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Since everyone seems to agree on this issue, I have added the examples from the defunct Bullycide article to the Effects section of this article, plus a source. If anyone doesn't agree with this, please discuss changes before making them. Many thanks, Thomasiscool 23:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
The only problem now is getting permission to use the sites. ZackM 01:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)ZackM
Thanks, I was just looking for some sources myself. However, I have added Reena Virk as an example, because I think we should have at least one example that was not suicide. Thomasiscool 01:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Were you thinking of adults dying as a result of workplace bullying or as a result of bullying by youth? Thomasiscool 23:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and on another note, I think we should consider making the names of the examples we have, except those who already have their own pages, to redirect to this article. Any thoughts? Thomasiscool 23:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Its starting to sound like a good idea, since there are so many cases. And I agree that we should include some examples from outside North America, though these seem to be hard to come across, unfortunately. Thomasiscool 15:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
In Delaware, United States ... and perhaps in other states ... legislation has appeared in the form of the "School Bullying Prevention Act" [1] which aims "to provide a safer learning environment for students attending public schools". I am not familiar with the topic in general and thought I would mention this here in case anyone would like to pursue it from any suitable angle. Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
A great company to talk with about Bullying Training and Prevention in schools is PublicSchoolWORKS. They provide online training that teaches preventative measures on School Bullying and how to identify problems before they get out of hand. It also has assessments that are reportable and able to be stored for school staff to show that training is complete on this subject. Their company website is http://corp.publicschoolworks.com/ They are able to make sure that each training class is applicable nationally and the state it is being used in as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.161.243.3 ( talk) 19:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ THIS I am currently a schoolchild in year 6 (11 yrs) the name of the bully is best kept anonymous because I DON'T WANT FUSS! you see this person is a '''very nasty brat''' as like 2 describe her she swears at me and makes me feel sad all the time i dont tell people everything she does but she makes me feel so small. I have 2 hide my saddness from lots of people including teachers. I am sooo upset and cannot enjoy things in life I may be feeling sorry 4 myself but bullying makes u feel hurt, upset, sad and so worred it makes u ill.
IT NEEDS 2 STOP OR MILLIONS OF KIDS LIKE ME SHALL SUFFER!!
Any idea on the source of these idiots, anyone? MojoTas 07:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
totaly agrree!! from ??????????
I have removed the image being used as I do not see how it is "an example of a bully". We do not need stereotyping here thank you -- Speed Air Man 11:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the fact that Drill Sergeants and Basic Training are officially approved institutionalized bullying seen as necessary for the breaking down of for bonds, associations and identity in order to forge a new bond of joint identity and goals --- esprit de corps. I hope this can be reintroduced into the section on the military.
This is the copy from a document that illustrates my point. It is from Chapter 17 - Management of recruit suicide
BEGINNING OF QUOTED MATERIAL U’Ren’s observations instrumentally changed the training policy at West Point. The command decreased the pressure on cadets in 1971. Subsequent analysis found that mental health and suicidal ideation visits dropped significantly while attrition remained constant. In fact, by letting out those who wanted out, the process became not only less painful for all cadets, but also allowed tactical officers and cadet leaders to focus more attention on new cadets who wanted to stay.
- U’Ren RC. The nature of change at West Point. J Am Coll Health Assoc. 1974;22:185–188.
Contagion of suicidal ideation and behavior, like suicidal risk, is multidetermined. Two prominent factors that affect the risk of suicidal contagion for teenagers, soldiers in war, and military recruits are unit (or group) cohesion and morale. Those who are alienated and demoralized are more likely to identify with a suicidal peer.
- Human Rights Watch. The wrongs of passage: Inhuman and degrading treatment of new recruits in the Russian armed forces. Human Rights Watch 2004;16. Available at: hrw.org/reports/2004/russia1004/
In the military, unit cohesion and unit morale are closely related. Cohesion, which fosters high morale, has two primary components
(1) horizontal cohesion, determined by one’s confidence in and loyalty to peers
(2) vertical cohesion, determined by one’s confidence in and loyalty to leadership.
- Manning FJ. Morale and cohesion in military psychiatry. In: Jones FD, ed. Military Psychiatry: Preparing in Peace for War. Washington, DC: Department of the Army, Office of The Surgeon General; 1994: 1–18.
The dynamics of cohesion development in a training unit are different than in a regular unit. In the training unit, the intense focus on group-level rewards and punishments is intended to build esprit de corps - loyalty and commitment to the ideals, values, and structure of the military and respect for and identification with leaders. This becomes the basis for remolding individuals from multicultural civilians into a team that embraces common values, goals, and methods of achieving goals. Successful recruits carry this sense of teamwork on to their first duty assignment. Although horizontal cohesion remains weak in the training unit because of its temporary nature, those who complete the training cycle identify themselves as a special and successful group—an important component of unit cohesion.
- U’Ren RC. The nature of change at West Point. J Am Coll Health Assoc. 1974;22:185–188. - U’Ren RC, Conrad FE, Patterson PH. A year’s experience in student mental health at West Point. Am J Psychiatry. 1973;130:643–647.
During training, high stress, competition, and the need to see oneself as fit and worthy may seriously hinder capacity for empathy with those who struggle—the less fit or less worthy. Although the lack of peer-to-peer empathy detracts from horizontal cohesion, the constrained training environment and the ubiquitous influence of drill sergeants foster strong vertical cohesion (at least from the trainees toward the cadre). This strong vertical cohesion, along with the example set by the cadre and command, plays the most prominent
role in determining a training unit’s overall cohesion and morale, and concurrently influences the risk of suicidal contagion.
Trainees experience especially high levels of stress during the early part of training. During this time trainees are most likely to become symptomatic, and the risk of contagion is highest.
- Cigrang JA, Carbone EG, Todd S, Fiedler E. Mental health attrition from Air Force basic military training. Mil Med. 1998;163:834–838. - Armon C, Hadas N, Revach M. Medicine in the basic combat training period (recruits medicine). I: The approach to the recruit. Mil Med. 1984;149:579–587. - Bourne PG. Some observations on the psychosocial phenomena seen in basic training. Psychiatry. 1967;30:187–196. - Carbone EG, Cigrang JA, Todd SL, Fiedler ER. Predicting outcome of military basic training for individuals referred for psychological evaluation. J Pers Assess. 1999;72:256–265. - Clemons EP. Monitoring anxiety levels and coping skills among military recruits. Mil Med. 1996;161:18–21. - Englert DR, Hunter CL, Sweeney BJ. Mental health evaluations of US Air Force basic military training and technical training students. Mil Med. 2003;168:904–910. - Koshes RJ, Rothberg JM. Parasuicidal behavior on an active duty army training post. Mil Med. 1992;157:350–353. - Talcott GW, Haddock CK, Klesges RC, Lando H, Fiedler E. Prevalence and predictors of discharge in United States - Air Force Basic Military Training. Mil Med. 1999;164:269–274.
Not every recruit with an acute stress reaction needs a mental health referral, and not every recruit with a mental health referral will fail training. Active implementation of techniques that help recruits manage stress and develop better coping skills, combined with alert observation of those who are unable to benefit from such techniques, will help command more accurately assess who is at high risk.
Some suggested techniques to improve stress management include the following:
• Leadership acknowledgment that training is stressful, that overcoming stress has rewards, that those who struggle deserve compassion, and that the military is not for everyone. • Educational groups for trainees modeled on cognitive-behavioral therapeutic principles that explore the range of responses to the challenges of military training. • Opportunities for trainees to engage in noncompetitive bonding experiences.
Tucker and U’Ren describe varying social and environmental factors that may influence the numbers who might be affected by a parasuicide epidemic: • Change in likely assignment (ie, recently declared war). • Change in harshness of training, either because of policy or burned-out training personnel. • Change in standards for acceptance for training.
- Tucker GJ, Gorman ER. The significance of the suicide gesture in the military. Am J Psychiatry. 1967;123:854–861. - U’Ren RC, Conrad FE, Patterson PH. A year’s experience in student mental health at West Point. Am J Psychiatry. 1973;130:643–647.
from page 11 - www.bordeninstitute.army.mil/published_volumes/recruit_medicine/RM-ch17.pdf
Kiwi 09:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I ask these questions in the hope of stimulating discussion that will come to improve the article.
How should a law be written to stop bullying? What does the number of bullied nerds divided by the number of nerds equal? Why not separate bullies and targets by classroom? What is the origin of bullying in history? Can bullies be sued for intentional infliction of emotional distress? Do you know if your children are going to be a target? Does bullying disrupt a student’s ability to learn or a school’s ability to educate? Is bullying like saying "look what is going to happen to you if you become the leader of a rebel group"? 201.80.179.2 15:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I've heard it said that it can take 10 years for people to recover from bullying. I think I heard this in the context of school bullying but I would be interested to know if this could be extended to workplace bullying as well. Is there any reference for this that can be used? If there is the article could be modified to show this.
Soarhead77 14:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
What exactly is wrong with bullying, will someone tell me
I think if you read the main article your questions will be answered
Soarhead77 18:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I AGREE U HAV LOTS OF EXPERIEMCE AND U ARE VERY NICE. LUV CANT TELL U MY NAME.COM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.236.144 ( talk) 19:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
It is not clear if this is referring to contemporary thinking or past (out dated) thinking. Rewording the section would help. Also, the suggestion that bullying the bully is the most effective response is certainly questionable. For the most part, the victim is selected by the bully precisely because they are less capable to respond in kind and also less likely to have allies to support them.
To suggest that the victim to respond in kind is likely to escalate the situation and put the victim at risk of physical injury.
Certainly, however, there was a perception that (in schools at least) that bullying was part of growing up ... kid's stuff. However, for the kids involved, it is the real thing ... they are kids and their entire world is "kid's stuff."
There is a much greater understanding of not only the short term impacts, but also the long-term impacts of bullying ... both in terms of the bullies and the bullied. Specifically there are now studies that look at potentially causal relationships between problems that emerge later in life and roles as either (or both) bullies and bullied as children.
There seems to be little in this article that links childhood bullying and long term social consequences; an area that is receiving an increasing amount of attention from both academic and practical view-points.
Female violence (google), domestic vice (the common but rarely acknowledged use and misuse of sexual and relational power for money, 'success' and control in marriage or other 'respectable' relationships), relational aggression, parental alienation or other forms of alienation, ostracism or shunning are forms or psychological bullying often used by the 'fairer' sex for bullying and are sometimes used by men as well. These kinds of bullying although far more subtle than 'male' bullying are well known to cause serious psycho-social damage to the targets. Any complete article on bullying needs to include all forms of bullying. 72.215.181.137 02:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I have read this page but did not find any reason why it really happens.
I might say that people who are in someway naive or they tend to show appeal or superiority seem to have signs of stupidity in human.While a human is not a animal but those who tend to tell superiority show some behaviors of animals.Bullying it mostly appears in work and is inevitable at school regions and there I could say only the "Stupid" individuals turn agressive instead solving problems in logical manner instead of using agression. I mean there is a link between intelligence and bullying.
This maybe not sourced infromations but I expressed it and since this is a page of discussion I really want a defenition for bullying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.81.147 ( talk) 17:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree completely; there is a lot of description on what bullying is, what it causes when people experience it, organizations that exist to deal with it, and so on, but nowhere on either this page or related pages is there any discussion on the causes of bullying. I am hardly an expert (other than being bullied myself as a kid, like many), but I think this is a pretty big omission, and would like to have someone knowledgeable correct it, if possible. Dougom ( talk) 17:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
An anon contributed this:
Grandparents and Parents believe buyyling won't happen in Special Needs School well it does. The Teachers and Staff in Speical Needs School of the North Yorkshire Area say things like: "He She Stands Up For Him/Herself," "If You Go Out There You'll Get Lost," "Don't Want You To Go There Anymore," when they say things like that to you at Special Needs School it's racial descrimination cause your at a Special Needs School that really does believe your not allowed to do normal or go through normal or have normal things in life cause your at a Special Needs School. They make it out as though your ill all the time especially when one becomes ill and they work out as though what you go through at certain ages such as when your age 13 pubity happens either in class shower home or outside to them it's a crime when it's legal and common for one to go through changes of pubity and extentions of body at that age. Don't send your Sons & Daughters to Special Needs School. You've been warned. Then when someone else goes through pubity after the Teachers and Staff and from others outside of Special Needs School beat them up they work out that that happened to you too without Teachers and Staff realising that it happens to us all at that age and then the Teachers and Staff at Special Needs School laugh about with an evil grinn as if it's a joke if your telling them so. Even when evidence comes in of it does happen to you at that age then they disregard it as your mistake and crime cause they've really realised that they've made a mistake cause they don't want to get sacked etc. The Teachers and Staff at Special Needs Schools are just Bullies and Jerks in some of them of the North Yorkshire Area. You've been wanred.
It may be important stuff (life experience tells me it is, but that is WP:OR, seeing it as "Bullying" is somkething I hadn't thought of though) but it really needs citation and writing up in an encyclopaedic style. ---- Zeraeph ( talk) 19:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Whoo, strange.
Summary, slightly more encyclopedic and less rambly. Uncited, for now. Mostly anecdotal. Needs more work, lots and LOTS of work, or a definite zap.
Legal guardians of special needs students believe bullying does not happen, though an anon's as-yet unsubstantiated WP:OR says that it does. The teachers and staff of these schools seem to misinterpret these instances of bullying as standing up for oneself. Anon believes that it is racial discrimination, though it has not been shown that all special needs students are, in fact, of a separate and removed race from non-special needs students. Furthermore, Anon believes that these teachers believe that these students cannot lead normal lives and have some sort of fatal illness. Anon does not recommend sending your children to these schools, and warns against the physical abuse they may encounter. The teachers will, apparently, laugh with an evil grin "as if it's a joke", and disregard any solid evidence as if it were the special needs student's fault for fear of losing their jobs.
Cheers. 90.178.52.11 ( talk) 19:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
A bully may often be a bully and a victim at the same time. Most bullies have been hurt at one time, and need help, not isolation.
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However many bullies have never suffered bullying themselves and only bully others because it is fun and it has nothing to do with being bullied when they were younger, to impress other people or to be socialy accepted.
Psychology/sociology deals with subjects that are hard to quantify and so often lead to contradictions like this which would indicate to me that we should be honest and say we just don't know, rather than put in statements like 'most..' or 'many...'
Kghose ( talk) 15:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if the situation is different in other English-speaking countries, but the US has indeed provided a legal definition for bullying. I'm suprised that the lead paragaraph would state outright that there is no legal definition. Indeed, this sort of obvious error makes one wonder about the reliablity of other articles.
• Several states do not define bullying in their state laws. Those that do define the term vary in the types of behaviors that constitute bullying. Examples include the following: Colorado: “Any written or verbal expression, or physical act or gesture, or a pattern thereof, that is intended to cause distress upon one or more students.” Georgia: “Any willful attempt or threat to inflict injury on another person…or any intentional display of force such as would give the victim reason to fear or expect immediate bodily harm.” [2]
And this wasn't even hard to find. I just googled "bullying legislation" and followed one of the first 10 links. -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 20:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Who makes this suggestion? And is the suggestion than it is mostly the risk that bullying might lead to school shootings, that motivates anti-bullying campaigns? Not that bullying is in itself wrong?
Also, are the programs listed above the only things that are advised? Are there any schools that try making the bullies stop, with counseling, detention or expulsion? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 20:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I made a {{ main}} link to school bullying, but that redirected here. Is this is hint that most bullying takes place in school? Or that schools tolerate it, or what? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 15:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello. For the 'External Links' section, could you please add: Bullying. No way! (Australia - schools) [3] Bullying. No way! website is an ongoing collaborative initiative representing, and funded by, all Australia's education authorities (Federal, State and Territory, Catholic and Independent) for the benefit of all school communities. It provides trusted information about bullying, harassment and violence and the development of safer and more supportive school communities, lots of examples of effective practice contributed by schools, artworks, poetry and writing by students and a growing bank of ideas for teachers and school leaders. It addresses both the obvious signs of bullying as well as the underlying issues of power and discrimination such as homophobia. It's non-commercial and doesn't use or pay for advertising, however it comes up #1 or #2 in Australian and world Google searches and receives a lot of visitors from Australia and the US. (Wikipedia's bullying page usually comes first of course!) Is it possible to include it in the list? Thank you. Chris Henderson, project officer, national Safe and Supportive School Communities project. Chrisjune ( talk) 13:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The Olweus Bullying Prevention Program was designed for students in the elementary, middle, and secondary schools to understand and improve the concept of bullying. It has been implemented in more than a dozen countries around the world. This program has shown positive results in reducing bullying among students who are educated in the program. It provides the students with questions and answers and shows them what to do if bullying happens to them or even around them. It also gives them ways to handle bully-like situations. The more this program spreads the more likely bullying is to decrease in school districts all around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ers4 ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Ignorant Americans! Now go fix it! Americans are so stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.252.151 ( talk) 09:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Why are you going to ban me? I was trying to improve Wikipedia! By the way, the use of hopefully in the article is not correct. Obviously I enjoyed more education than you. No offense. 76.178.252.151 ( talk) 10:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I am going to rephrase the sentence. 76.178.252.151 ( talk) 10:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I just made Wikipedia a little better. I just made Wikipedia slightly less torturous for those of us who are geniuses to read. 76.178.252.151 ( talk) 10:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
"...for those of us who are geniuses to read." Um, nicely put. Judging by your grammar, I'm guessing you don't fit into the category of reading genius then? 212.84.123.184 ( talk) 23:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
No matter how well meant it may be, Wikipedia is not supposed to be a "how-to guide" and it is inappropriate to have lists of "what can/should be done" to stop bullying. Personally, I especially find the "teach child how to protect him/herself physically and verbally" -- which is one of the reasons that those who are bullied are often bullies themselves (citable, but no, I'm not going to look it up). Childhood bullying is both psychologically and sociologically a true niche with truly unique non-overlapping features.
This article also focuses almost exclusively on childhood bullying and it should be migrated to its own article page as it has always deserved more room for coverage with the vast amount of exclusively relevant research. This would leave Bullying to be more appropriately developed as an umbrella article about the psychological and sociological roots of bullying behavior and the development of bullying personalities. Spotted Owl ( talk) 18:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
It was lifted a few months ago but this article continues to get vandalised on a daily basis-- Penbat ( talk) 10:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I am up for protecting this page, it is under continuous attack from people with conflicting interests and therefore a sham. Wikipedia seems to lack the type of control needed to prevent this.
Dixx (
talk) 07:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
It is essential that this is covered in this article. Projection allows the emotionally flawed bully to offload his own inadequacies and feelings of shame onto a victim and claiming that the victim is to blame and the bully is the victim.-- Penbat ( talk) 16:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Is a project in Australia designed to form Angel groups within schools of bullied students and to provide them with support. It also has a program for teachers to use to deal with bullying in schools and teach tolerance to students and for schools to work together to help bullied students and deal with bullying. It also uses the state public transit system to set up safe areas and is training transit officers in how to identify bullying. see School Angels —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qplanet ( talk • contribs) 20:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
bullying is a very bad thing to do and no one should do it —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
72.68.176.93 (
talk) 20:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like to question the validity of this statement:
Bullies hurt people verbally and physically because they themselves have been the victim of bullying, (e.g. a bullying child who is abused at home, or bullying adults who are abused by their colleagues).
While it may be true in certain cases, I don't think this statement such be given as the sole explanation for bullying behaviour. In any case, would it be possible to at least back this statement with some reference? Hroswith ( talk) 13:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Under the External Links section for bullying, I find this at top of the list:
The title for this link is "bully prevention resources" a very generic, seemingly non-commercial link. Follow it, and you find it's a company that does presentations at schools using their mascot "Bully the Frog"! One gets the feeling this link was added by the bullyfrog.com people themselves. Removing it. (By the way, Im very new to wikipedia, so: Im not sure what the procedure is. Should I have brought up issue here, waited for feedback, then acted. Acted, let someone else revert if i was incorrect, etc. etc. Any way, pls drop me a line if I'm out of line, but this external link seems out of line: someone clicks it thinking, "Oh, A compendium of resources for this issue," then hits a site trying to sell "Bully the Frog" to grade schools? Crazy.) At the time someone has a legitimate link for the given rubric "Bully Prevention Resources" we will use that link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petzl ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Bullying is really bad and I dont understand why people do it. It makes people feel bad about themselves and some people commit suecide. So, why do they do it?
While bullying is talked about often in schools, it is grossly over dramatized. It does not occur as often as people think it does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huddy1000 ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1850405,00.html
This is a TIME article about bullying. It would make a good source or an EL. WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone noticed that all the documentaries about bullying always and I mean always have some sort of "Bullies have problems and that gives them an excuse" part. Like thats supposed to make people feel better. I really hope they ban those things. seriously I really do ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.100.92 ( talk) 20:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
When It Happens
Bullieing usually occurs during 2 people mainly, the bully and the victim but often there are by-standers around while it happens, it can be physical or verbal. Often people become bullies after getting bullied in the past sometimes bullies do it to feel like they have power over someone else. It can sometimes be prevented by talking to adults or the bully but sometimes it doesn't stop so easily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.45.34 ( talk) 00:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I think reference 21 is not correct: see www.ustreas.gov/usss/ntac/ssi_guide.pdf It should read: Threat Assessment in Schools: a guide to managing threatening situations and to creating safe school climates, by Robert A. Fein, Bryan Vossekuil, William S. Pollack, Randy Borum, William Modzeleski, and Marisa Reddy. Rainsound ( talk) 19:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Bullying takes place mainly in the hallways. many teachers don't keep their eyes on the hallways and it causes them to see alot less of what goes on in them. many kids get phushed and shoved and the teachers never see it cause they are to busy to take one quick look. this should be stopped!!! NOW!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.7.118.74 ( talk) 21:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello. This is my first time editing a wiki article, and its really just tiny change. Instead of recognized, they typed recognised. Maybe, somewhere else that is the way you spell it, but I do not believe so. I know this is a miniscule mistake, but I am only trying to improve Wikipedia. -- Tanagram ( talk) 03:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
but my experience has been that if you stand up to a bully, they will back down every time. does anyone have any suggestions for where i might look for methods for dealing with a bully so that i can add a section? Statesboropow ( talk) 03:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
i on't really think that bullying should be allowed but even if it is not allowed people still do it and i hate it it can even include hitting someone which is the bad one and saying something that would hurt the other persons feelings and if it ever happened to me i would not like it at all —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.218.133 ( talk) 19:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I can explain this contradiction in terms of pathological narcissism. The false self of a narcissistic bully has high self-esteem. The true self of a narcissistic bully has low self-esteem. I havent put it in as I dont have a suitable supporting citation at present.-- Penbat ( talk) 13:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Why am I not reading a section on how potential bully victims overcome bullies? I don't want to hear about what comes after bullying, but as it occurs. Why isn't there a section on standing up to the bully? Is it because we don't want people to overcome life challenges on their own ie: Erik Erikson's stages of development. Wouldn't it seem that if a child defeated their bully, that they would succeed in regards to several of development's challenges? ........ 67.175.118.239 ( talk) 09:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Under the map of which U.S. states have which kind of anti-bullying laws, the key to the map is as follows (color-coding is omitted here):
"Some states in the United States have implemented laws to address school bullying."
"Law prohibits bullying of students based on sexual orientation and gender identity"
"Law prohibits bullying of students based on sexual orientation"
"School regulation or ethical code for teachers that address bullying of students based on sexual orientation"
"Law prohibits bullying in school but lists no categories of protection"
"No statewide law that specifically prohibits bullying in schools"
It appears that whoever chose the ordering of the categories here intended them to start with the strongest laws and progressively list weaker and weaker laws.
But the next-to-last category is clearly the strongest by far, since it outlaws ALL forms of bullying without qualification. This category should go first (and be coded with the color at one extreme of the color gamut used). The rest of the ordering is adequate.
Of course, once an anti-bullying law mentions only certain categories of bullying, then (without further information) the implication is that all other categories of bullying are legal. Daqu ( talk) 01:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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