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In attempting to clarify the Lead paragraph, I ran into the question of whether the focus is on the building or on the Brush Run congregation. It appears that the original intent may have been to focus on the meeting house rather than the congregation. I find it difficult to keep the focus there. Some of the existing lead section needs to be moved to the body of the article.
~~ Suggested Alternative Lead section ~~
~~ End of Suggested Alternative ~~ John Park ( talk) 12:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
John: I have adopted your summary beginning. I agree that there is some focus need, but not sure which direction Hal Doster wants to go with this, as he is the one who wanted this started. I think he is focusing more on the theolgoical influence of the congregation and the Campbells, although he has been instrumental in getting a marker placed at the site and trying to raise funds for a replica building, which has not yet happened. Hal is in his mid-70's and is feeling time pressure to complete some material on the church. He has trouble with the technical aspects of computers and software and I'm going to have to go to his home and work with him on his material. He doesn't feel comfortable editing this online, so I'm encouraging him to put his material down in a Word document. Maybe you can be of assitance along with others in reshaping what he will write. Thanks for your insight into this article. -- Bill Thompson User:gooseisland102 —Preceding comment was added at 13:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
John: I am awaiting material from Dr. Hal Doster on the history of the Brush Run church. I am not entirely sure that it is going to fit within the parameters of the Wiki that I started. It seems that Hal has his own thing going, hoping to eventually publish something. It is aimed at more of the history of the church, its construction, its beliefs, and its development. Am wondering if a new Wiki might be needed -- something like "History of the Brush Run Church." When I get it, may I send to you for your input and thoughts? Hal has a lot of line drawings that he has copied from outerh sources. I told him we would not be able to include these without releases. He has some original photos that he has taken, which I assume would be all right to include. I'm going to need some guidance here. His material is a dozen single spaced pages long. - Bill Thompson
John: Hal and I discussed this tonight at church. I think he's going to limit what he puts in the Wiki and invite others to add to what he puts. We'll see what he comes up with and you can help us understand whether this is correct. - Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.18.111.156 ( talk) 01:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
John: I have posted four images. One is a photo of the marker on the Brush Run site, mentioned under Location. The other three are early photos or illustrations of the building, one of the 1811 building (public domain), a second of the building when it was used as a blacksmith's shop (taken from a booklet on the Disciples published by Christian Board of Publication whom I have emailed to get permission to post), and the third is a photograph of the building when it was moved to Bethany, W.Va. (photo taken by Dr. Hal Doster). How do I make the caption smaller under the second picture? -- Bill Thompson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooseisland102 ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
john: The system objected today to the 1844 Brush Run image, but I don't know what to do about it. I have permission from Chalice Press to use it. -- Bill
I can find nowhere to change this to the suggested choice. The wikipedia system is too difficult to understand. Remove it if you must. I'm not going to deal with this anymore. I'm pretty frustrated. Gooseisland102 ( talk) 16:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)Bill Thompson
John: It appears to me to be a photograph, very early in the 20th century, of an old building, reused as a barn or something, that Hal Doster says was actually the building reconstituted. It was a post and beam building that could be disassembled and reassembled, he says. I have emailed Bethany for info on the status of the photo, whether copyrighted or not. I do not see anything in my choices for the photo that approaches what you have suggested. Gooseisland102 ( talk) 23:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC) Bill Thompson
John,can't seem to log in to my account from this motel in TN. I received a reply from Bethany. Here it is: "The picture, as far as we can trace it, was first published in "To-day's Pictorial Story of Alexander Campbell and the Christian Churches" by the R. W. Johnston Studios, Inc., Copyright 1909--
I believe a proper citation is all that is needed and you will not be infringing on any copyrights at this point.
Good luck with your article and say "Hello" to Hal for us. Felicity Ruggiero" Does this help at all? Bill 12.50.102.194 ( talk) 14:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC) Now logged in. I assume this was something that either Hal got from this source or Chalice Press got from the source. Either way, I can't figure out how to change the copyright designation for the graphic. Can you do it? Bill Gooseisland102 ( talk) 14:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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In attempting to clarify the Lead paragraph, I ran into the question of whether the focus is on the building or on the Brush Run congregation. It appears that the original intent may have been to focus on the meeting house rather than the congregation. I find it difficult to keep the focus there. Some of the existing lead section needs to be moved to the body of the article.
~~ Suggested Alternative Lead section ~~
~~ End of Suggested Alternative ~~ John Park ( talk) 12:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
John: I have adopted your summary beginning. I agree that there is some focus need, but not sure which direction Hal Doster wants to go with this, as he is the one who wanted this started. I think he is focusing more on the theolgoical influence of the congregation and the Campbells, although he has been instrumental in getting a marker placed at the site and trying to raise funds for a replica building, which has not yet happened. Hal is in his mid-70's and is feeling time pressure to complete some material on the church. He has trouble with the technical aspects of computers and software and I'm going to have to go to his home and work with him on his material. He doesn't feel comfortable editing this online, so I'm encouraging him to put his material down in a Word document. Maybe you can be of assitance along with others in reshaping what he will write. Thanks for your insight into this article. -- Bill Thompson User:gooseisland102 —Preceding comment was added at 13:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
John: I am awaiting material from Dr. Hal Doster on the history of the Brush Run church. I am not entirely sure that it is going to fit within the parameters of the Wiki that I started. It seems that Hal has his own thing going, hoping to eventually publish something. It is aimed at more of the history of the church, its construction, its beliefs, and its development. Am wondering if a new Wiki might be needed -- something like "History of the Brush Run Church." When I get it, may I send to you for your input and thoughts? Hal has a lot of line drawings that he has copied from outerh sources. I told him we would not be able to include these without releases. He has some original photos that he has taken, which I assume would be all right to include. I'm going to need some guidance here. His material is a dozen single spaced pages long. - Bill Thompson
John: Hal and I discussed this tonight at church. I think he's going to limit what he puts in the Wiki and invite others to add to what he puts. We'll see what he comes up with and you can help us understand whether this is correct. - Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.18.111.156 ( talk) 01:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
John: I have posted four images. One is a photo of the marker on the Brush Run site, mentioned under Location. The other three are early photos or illustrations of the building, one of the 1811 building (public domain), a second of the building when it was used as a blacksmith's shop (taken from a booklet on the Disciples published by Christian Board of Publication whom I have emailed to get permission to post), and the third is a photograph of the building when it was moved to Bethany, W.Va. (photo taken by Dr. Hal Doster). How do I make the caption smaller under the second picture? -- Bill Thompson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gooseisland102 ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
john: The system objected today to the 1844 Brush Run image, but I don't know what to do about it. I have permission from Chalice Press to use it. -- Bill
I can find nowhere to change this to the suggested choice. The wikipedia system is too difficult to understand. Remove it if you must. I'm not going to deal with this anymore. I'm pretty frustrated. Gooseisland102 ( talk) 16:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)Bill Thompson
John: It appears to me to be a photograph, very early in the 20th century, of an old building, reused as a barn or something, that Hal Doster says was actually the building reconstituted. It was a post and beam building that could be disassembled and reassembled, he says. I have emailed Bethany for info on the status of the photo, whether copyrighted or not. I do not see anything in my choices for the photo that approaches what you have suggested. Gooseisland102 ( talk) 23:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC) Bill Thompson
John,can't seem to log in to my account from this motel in TN. I received a reply from Bethany. Here it is: "The picture, as far as we can trace it, was first published in "To-day's Pictorial Story of Alexander Campbell and the Christian Churches" by the R. W. Johnston Studios, Inc., Copyright 1909--
I believe a proper citation is all that is needed and you will not be infringing on any copyrights at this point.
Good luck with your article and say "Hello" to Hal for us. Felicity Ruggiero" Does this help at all? Bill 12.50.102.194 ( talk) 14:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC) Now logged in. I assume this was something that either Hal got from this source or Chalice Press got from the source. Either way, I can't figure out how to change the copyright designation for the graphic. Can you do it? Bill Gooseisland102 ( talk) 14:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)