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Why do they want to take this pic out, dont we need them?
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British has been edited to English, fair comment, but we need both categories I believe
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== Ford's English-language editions ==The page is a useful resource, and some ISBNs have been corrected.
Thes are are now listed, chronologically as far as one can.
These titles must be chronological, whoever did "overseas" is forgetting that this is a global work, and the books are only overseas from England. America, Australian, etc., need to be included also.
These references now seem crowded, it would be geter to catalogue the English-language books one beneath the other. It mahy be the cataloguer in me but each book should have its own entry on a new line to look neat.
The "foreign" editions deleted include America, for instance, and so they have been reinstated.
Some of those were originations, including Ford's first book on German weapons of WW2, published in NYC, which ought to be included.
This is a moot point. However, it helps being concise, certainly that is true.
As I stated earlier, below: "I've deleted the foreign editions of his books from the biliography, because they strike me a overkill (and because this is the English Wikipedia)." It's not at all unusual for an author to chalk up dozens and dozens of versions of their books through translation and foreign licensure. It's standard to list only the original English-language publication. An exhaustive list of all secondary versions will be difficult to keep up to date, and adds nothing to the topic at hand. In fact, it seems like puffery and resume-padding. I'd rather keep the article focused and readable. Thanks. -- P L E A T H E R talk 20:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Bibliographical details added as known. Trust that this may help.
Ford's accomplishments are in many fields although he is largely a 'private individual' for all his books and programs. Some will be added now.
These comments do make a lot of sense, this is a global encyclopedia not a UK fan site. Have checked some of the x-references. The bibliographical entry linking to the 'space microscope' is the same as the reference in the first section and has been deleted to avoid duplication.
All listed books are now included on this page.
Just looking through this page I feel that Ford's earlier books should be listed as well.
Some categories added, hope this works. Later on, can others add links?
I think we need more in the page rather than less. Ford is a world authority and the list of current books below is more than most scientists can amass in their whole lives. Is there a problem here?
Don't think we can question every statement of every page like this, google is full of the internet's appreciation of what Ford has done/is doing! Why say 'just links'? They are largely to highly detailed reputable sources. Not many biog entries have comments like these. I'd agree to remove the ESA microscope references if a Wiki advisor thinks it best and we could replace it with other material.
Cross-reference is being added, less journalese is much better. Sources are what was required.
There is a page on Ford's book "Nonscience", this page should have a link to it?
Saw these links which should work OK.
External links added for background. Should others be added too? A google search shows many more.
I don't doubt that Mr. Ford (Dr. Ford) is notable, but this needed sorely to read like an enyclopedia entry, not a press release. I've stripped out all the non-neutral language ('his remarkable one man show"), as well as the claim he was a science columnist "even before he was a student" (I was a student when I was five; how about you?).
There is a Wikipedia style for references, and {{ cite book}}, {{ cite journal}}, and {{ cite web}} templates to keep them consistant ... please use them. I have started with the "Other authors' reminiscences, etc., on Ford" section, and added a "References" section to collect them from the <ref> tags. Some other editor with more interest in the subject than I have can fix the rest ... I've also tried to fix this talk page by removing the duplicate section names and indenting replies to comments. — 72.75.105.165 20:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I see this article has been tagged previously, and subsequently untagged, but it still reads from start to finish as self-promotion. Therefore I'm tagging it again, and hope to find time to do some work on it. Andy Farrell 17:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Page has experienced deletions of sources, please re-instate these and report vandal. Thanx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.86.208 ( talk) 13:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
There was deletion of many important links, you must not just take material out because you may or may not like it, many people have put them in and for the good reason of ensuring documentation of sources.
Deleting aint editing. Farrell keeps on taking links out, links that matter in wikipedia for proof of content. Editing means tidying up prose style etc., but not just wiping out indie references that many people have put in, painstakingly. Good point to put later comments at end, though, thanx for this! In tidying, do not take out reference links because these are a bedrock for wikis everywhere. Also, we cant see any POV issues, these pages are just factual.
There were some adjectives that were not necessary and some have been edited out 'cos they aren't facts. Punctuation checked as well. Editors should explain changes and not just cut links out, I concur. Bugeyewoodchuck 15:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Bugeyewoodchuck
I want to add a further point:- as an example, Andy Farrell has removed all the university connections from this site, however, these are of importance and of reader interest unless of course they have been inaccurately cited. If not then removeal would at least be mini-vandalism and seems to have been done for completely negative reasons. Biggish Bertha 16:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the text: "Also worthy of note is that Ford has also been a rock & roll keyboards player. He played with guitarist Dave Edmunds and has occasionally performed in recent years. Ford has been active in the diplomatic and political world and is a trained marksman. He can pilot aeroplanes, ski and scuba-dive. He is also an award-winning photographer.". This appears to be autobiographical text and is unsourced. I would delete it straight off but for the minor edit war being waged here, so instead I'm inviting discussion first, partly to establish the bona fides of those seeking to preserve this article from editing. Andy Farrell 18:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Biography, not autobiography, and facts like the ones mentioned are in the Biology Institut report and the Mensa magazine profile, so are sourced. Facts like these are interesting and can be removed if found to be not true, but not when sourced, and it didnt take ME long to spot these in the refs. supplied! Biggish Bertha 21:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Can someone explain w2hy this ever got going? The information is also in the Institute Of Biology sight, so why not politely admit this? I see that all the universities were wiped out by you earlier and I wd like someone to explain why this is allowed! I think you are just a spoiler, so vandalism wd be the cvorrect description for such an action. The idea is to improve a page and not wipe out bits that other people will hope to find! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.153.33 ( talk) 10:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
A friend from the publshing world has given me an opinion about these deletions etc:
"This entry is a good and factual and it is not like a press release. This is sabotage of Wikipedia copy, not editing, with sections being removed in a random way. The section on hobbies is referenced from two published sources. One has been removed on the basis that personal web-site copy cannot be cited. However, this is a profile, not written for or by the web-site compilers, and is a properly source. The same points are separately referenced by the Institute of Biology. Sabotage is the problem with open-access web pages. In the arena of print we do not encounter it. You should report the miscreant, though I do not know how."
Can the sabotageur (=is that right??) be reported please? Biggish Bertha 08:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Consensus has been built by many people over many months, it is just one person who deletes our stuff. Can someone find out why please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.9.21 ( talk) 19:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
You older folks dont understand difference between citing, references, and hosted text. The articles are sources, doesnt matter where they are hosted. The references are the name of book, date and publication details and these are what you needed in references. All youve done is list hot links to articles, what you need is academic references (just an observation) 81.178.238.210 14:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
If the topic is up for discussion, and outside viewpoints, it would be polite for one new person not to keep insertying tags. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.48.41 ( talk) 17:40, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
This page is being not edited, byt vandalised. It is not removing some of the dross. How can you say this? The complete section of authors reminicences was just blanked, and so was the section with the university posts which is hardly "dross" and then a completely non-supportable entry was put in, like some kind of joke, about Prof. Fords motivations. When you do this, it is vandalising a page, and is not normal behavior. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggish Bertha ( talk • contribs) 06:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Here is a start for discussion. This page has really been vandalised repeatedly. I have been looking at September 9 '07, and see whole sections were deleted by user 'Andy Farell', he then inserted gratuitous remarks without any source whatever. Deleting important sections, and inserting unsourced personal remarks, is definately what wikipedia is _not_ about. One of the early remarks was from user 'pleather' who set users off in a positive direction. For a year there has been a built up concensus. Now we have one person deleting sections and putting in insults that are probably a slander anyway. Interesting to note that the remarks concerned Professor Fords personal motives over Mensa, and the source that 'Andy Farell' deleted was from--the Mensa magazine. I bet this is a campaign by one of the Mensa members and (if so) no wonder the category of Member of Mensa was recently removed from wikipedia. I am new here, and just an amateur, and this is apalling behaviour which undermines everything we stand for. Bugeyewoodchuck 10:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
So, you going to run Andy Farrell to source? Nice one! He may just have a fixation. But whatever it is, he can't expect to get away with blanking wikipedia text. Students use this source as a reference for Ford because so many people have gathered things together, and there's nothing like this on the www.brianjford.com website which is really a list of publications plus cuttings. I am going to mark this edition of the page as unvandalised. Feel free to restore if it gets vandalised again, yeah? and thanx! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.85.126 ( talk) 12:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
More big deletions, we will need to checkm with the wiki people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.102.2 ( talk) 07:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Mike i want to add this too, Ford is very well known in usa, run a google for microscope research and see, he advises Encyclopedia Britannica and Guiness Books of Records, lectures all over USA, chairs conferences meetings etc, in in many TV programmes, gets reported in Scientific America, etc He is a great name in US science, hehas been for fourty years. 81.179.72.193 13:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC) sorry nearly forgot to sign.
Not known: he is currently on two of yr tv channels —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.238.232 ( talk) 16:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure that listing a series of citations is needed for a bio article. If wanted, these views can be summarized rather than providing a list. Here is the text I have removed: ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Jossi,these are books here pe0ople have described Ford in action or his lectures etc, they are not just citations, and one day we'll put up versions of what they say. This is a wiki, and if people want them they should have them, yeah?
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People will probably agree with that, which is how the page was when it was put up, and if citations are needed then there should be a note of the comments from these sources, and some people were lpooking at these in the university library. More advice from jossi, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.103.117 ( talk) 16:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Jossie, hear hear, please block anybody who interferes ngatively. If you can promise people that the big blanking job done by Andy Farell will be conpletely stopped, then we can get back to editing this page. He said he was cutting dross, but what he really cut was good, researched text with full sources! It was only negative. If that will stop then the undoing will stop as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugeyewoodchuck ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Pleased to note that the blanking of pages by user Andy Farell has been ended. We should add useful links and/or sources to this page now. Jossi has had a toast drunk at our bar lunchtime. Bugeyewoodchuck 16:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Many sources are added as jossi says, we can't just ignore pages mirrord on the Brian J. Ford web site. Ford has been working for 40 yrs before journals etc. were digitised and the site has articles dating back before the web, and pages must be used as reference. Importabt thing is that pages have their references, date, page, etc, and this site is a store of hundreds of original articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugeyewoodchuck ( talk • contribs) 08:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
These were put as refs by another editor but when they were first here they were hot links I am certain. I have put the academic references as refs now, and will put descriptions in pointy brackets which I think will make text more cokplete and to look better! Bugeyewoodchuck 11:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Really annoyed that so much good stuff has been omitted. This was getting to be a really great entry. The other bio. sites I see on wikipedia have much more vague information, and they don't get covered with tags. This now doesn't even mention Ford's lecturing and broadcasting. But if you don't want it, don't have it, at least it's there in the history section. 81.179.88.198 09:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
have said that there is a problem; You older folks dont understand difference between citing, references, and hosted text. The articles are sources, doesnt matter where theyre hosted. The references are the name of book, whaveter, date and publication details. These are what you needed in references. All youve done is list hot links to articles, what you need is academic references (just an observation) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.238.210 ( talk) 14:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
EXCELLENT POINT! i Have taken 20 minutes just to add the correct references and to make the links back into links. Please would you kindly not delete all this? I am going to tidy this up in work later this week, and it looks a lot better now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugeyewoodchuck ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Descriptions should be inside pointy brackets after the reference as was done months ago in this page. Why is every one so picky about references etc on this page? None of the other biog pages Ive seen have got any of these. NEway they are there now, hope it keeps you happy... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.93.214 ( talk) 09:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
If Ford is an academic, where is the customary list opening paragraph, detailing where he got his training and the nature of his degrees? The academic field is so credentialist, that's the first thing folks look for on the CV. -- Orange Mike 20:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
If you look into what they mean you will see F.I.Biol. is awarded to scientists of D.Sc. level, jossi. This is a bit ;like my gran editingsomething on a fashion rapper, you just don'w know, so please leave it to people who do know, yeah? That really would be so much more sensible, your present stance looks like a continuing attack. Come back later and learn, though you will probably see B.J.F. on the telly before then. 81.179.102.237 16:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Two points to make: 1. Ford is a major global academic figure, he lectures in countries all arou nd the world and he is cited in hundreds of scientific papers. He's published in Scientific American, New Scientist, Nature etc. He is also reported in these journals. Jossi removed a list of authors describing Ford, calling them citations. But these are independent descriptions and they are absolutely important in a biog. Please put them back! 2. The list of sources is selective and many of Ford's important papers are not here. Trouble is that if we put them all the page would be full of references. However some further examples should be put. Oh a third point 3. There was a TV reference, where did this go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggish Bertha ( talk • contribs) .
This is completely nonsense! Ford has published in B.M.J., Nature, The Microscope, The Cell, scores and scores of peer-reviewed journals. Surely you don't want them all? His bibliographies cover hundreds of pages. He does research on microscopes, blood, locusts, cells, hundreds of topics, please just check first. This is the most inaccurate thing I have read in this peculiar discussion! Biggish Bertha 13:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Do you really want these, there are plenty in 'Nature' etc. as said many times before, does 'Scientific American' count please? They review him and report him as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggish Bertha ( talk • contribs) 16:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Looks like this page is being edited by a couple of people who really do not know much about the subject. Why are occasional users still being blocked please? Our interest was to stop repeated vandalism and blanking of sections, now much useful information is simply missing. Can we appeal abpout being preveneted from adding new material? Why is there a tag about sources? Other bio articles do not have so many sources. 81.178.250.37 08:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
This is true! My friend who is looking at Mensa connexions here says he knows only two other members of Mensa, Carol Vorderman & Clive Sinclair. Their articles are like fan pages, more than this one ever was, and nearly all statements made have no sources. These need the famous tags put on them. This article no longer needs tags. Will say this on the jossi page as well. Biggish Bertha 13:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Here we have an editor, jossi in fact, whose edits are becoming exactly like Andy Farrell's and are only negative. Jossi, let me explain:- to become a chartered biologist as Ford did many years ago means you are appointed at an official level, this is a european recognition of an experienced biologist after publishing papers, etc. Ford was later elected a fellow of the I.o.B., like Crick and Watson of DNA, because of his disntinguished career in biology. The F.I.Biol. is only given to top-ranking world biologists. It took me less than three minutes to discover this on the web. Please make sure you do not alter or delete things like this again. Wikipedia is written by people who know their subjects, you say you are working from the viewpoint of somebody who is completely ignorant of the facts and worse still, you cannot even locate them online. You must now stop deletng facts, just because you do not happen to know them. Bugeyewoodchuck 11:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Has jossi now added tags to other articles lacking such details of references and sources? Where is that TV link which was briefly mentioned?
The youtube link has now been restored Bugeyewoodchuck 12:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
The tv link has gone and needs to be restored and while we are on the topic, if you google microscope research you find ford as top of 20 million sites. His published work is all over the journals of the world!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.225.77 ( talk) 19:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
There are lots, Nature, British Medical Journal, The Cell, The Microscope, Ford has published new theories etc. in Nature and written editorial articles for Nature and is reviewed by them also. I thought someone (earlier) was going to include some, which would be good for anybody in a science library to do. Some of us who use wikipedia need them, please can this be done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.194.3 ( talk) 11:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
While I have no intention of dismissing the geniuine contributions Dr. Ford may have made, the vast majority of this article presents his ideas as if they are all widely accepted by the rest of the scientific community. The reality is that when Dr. Ford works outside his specialty, he occasionaly produces what can only be called fringe theories. The article smacks of auto-hagiography.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.48.177.50 ( talk) 20:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
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This article is a mess. Firstly, it is not clear exactly what Ford is notable for. The article appears to mostly be a general bio written to promote the subject of the article. It is also extremely poorly sourced, and the source that do appear are often very weak, from the subject himself, primary sources or do not support the text without some interpretation. Even the text critical of him and his theories suffers from the same problem and verges on WP:EDITORIALISING or WP:OR. I have no opinion on Ford either way and hope to work with any interested editors to improve this page. Ashmoo ( talk) 10:12, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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Why do they want to take this pic out, dont we need them?
NOTE, this pic is for identification and critical commentary on the station ID and program content in line with wiki guidelines
British has been edited to English, fair comment, but we need both categories I believe
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== Ford's English-language editions ==The page is a useful resource, and some ISBNs have been corrected.
Thes are are now listed, chronologically as far as one can.
These titles must be chronological, whoever did "overseas" is forgetting that this is a global work, and the books are only overseas from England. America, Australian, etc., need to be included also.
These references now seem crowded, it would be geter to catalogue the English-language books one beneath the other. It mahy be the cataloguer in me but each book should have its own entry on a new line to look neat.
The "foreign" editions deleted include America, for instance, and so they have been reinstated.
Some of those were originations, including Ford's first book on German weapons of WW2, published in NYC, which ought to be included.
This is a moot point. However, it helps being concise, certainly that is true.
As I stated earlier, below: "I've deleted the foreign editions of his books from the biliography, because they strike me a overkill (and because this is the English Wikipedia)." It's not at all unusual for an author to chalk up dozens and dozens of versions of their books through translation and foreign licensure. It's standard to list only the original English-language publication. An exhaustive list of all secondary versions will be difficult to keep up to date, and adds nothing to the topic at hand. In fact, it seems like puffery and resume-padding. I'd rather keep the article focused and readable. Thanks. -- P L E A T H E R talk 20:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Bibliographical details added as known. Trust that this may help.
Ford's accomplishments are in many fields although he is largely a 'private individual' for all his books and programs. Some will be added now.
These comments do make a lot of sense, this is a global encyclopedia not a UK fan site. Have checked some of the x-references. The bibliographical entry linking to the 'space microscope' is the same as the reference in the first section and has been deleted to avoid duplication.
All listed books are now included on this page.
Just looking through this page I feel that Ford's earlier books should be listed as well.
Some categories added, hope this works. Later on, can others add links?
I think we need more in the page rather than less. Ford is a world authority and the list of current books below is more than most scientists can amass in their whole lives. Is there a problem here?
Don't think we can question every statement of every page like this, google is full of the internet's appreciation of what Ford has done/is doing! Why say 'just links'? They are largely to highly detailed reputable sources. Not many biog entries have comments like these. I'd agree to remove the ESA microscope references if a Wiki advisor thinks it best and we could replace it with other material.
Cross-reference is being added, less journalese is much better. Sources are what was required.
There is a page on Ford's book "Nonscience", this page should have a link to it?
Saw these links which should work OK.
External links added for background. Should others be added too? A google search shows many more.
I don't doubt that Mr. Ford (Dr. Ford) is notable, but this needed sorely to read like an enyclopedia entry, not a press release. I've stripped out all the non-neutral language ('his remarkable one man show"), as well as the claim he was a science columnist "even before he was a student" (I was a student when I was five; how about you?).
There is a Wikipedia style for references, and {{ cite book}}, {{ cite journal}}, and {{ cite web}} templates to keep them consistant ... please use them. I have started with the "Other authors' reminiscences, etc., on Ford" section, and added a "References" section to collect them from the <ref> tags. Some other editor with more interest in the subject than I have can fix the rest ... I've also tried to fix this talk page by removing the duplicate section names and indenting replies to comments. — 72.75.105.165 20:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I see this article has been tagged previously, and subsequently untagged, but it still reads from start to finish as self-promotion. Therefore I'm tagging it again, and hope to find time to do some work on it. Andy Farrell 17:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Page has experienced deletions of sources, please re-instate these and report vandal. Thanx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.86.208 ( talk) 13:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
There was deletion of many important links, you must not just take material out because you may or may not like it, many people have put them in and for the good reason of ensuring documentation of sources.
Deleting aint editing. Farrell keeps on taking links out, links that matter in wikipedia for proof of content. Editing means tidying up prose style etc., but not just wiping out indie references that many people have put in, painstakingly. Good point to put later comments at end, though, thanx for this! In tidying, do not take out reference links because these are a bedrock for wikis everywhere. Also, we cant see any POV issues, these pages are just factual.
There were some adjectives that were not necessary and some have been edited out 'cos they aren't facts. Punctuation checked as well. Editors should explain changes and not just cut links out, I concur. Bugeyewoodchuck 15:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Bugeyewoodchuck
I want to add a further point:- as an example, Andy Farrell has removed all the university connections from this site, however, these are of importance and of reader interest unless of course they have been inaccurately cited. If not then removeal would at least be mini-vandalism and seems to have been done for completely negative reasons. Biggish Bertha 16:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the text: "Also worthy of note is that Ford has also been a rock & roll keyboards player. He played with guitarist Dave Edmunds and has occasionally performed in recent years. Ford has been active in the diplomatic and political world and is a trained marksman. He can pilot aeroplanes, ski and scuba-dive. He is also an award-winning photographer.". This appears to be autobiographical text and is unsourced. I would delete it straight off but for the minor edit war being waged here, so instead I'm inviting discussion first, partly to establish the bona fides of those seeking to preserve this article from editing. Andy Farrell 18:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Biography, not autobiography, and facts like the ones mentioned are in the Biology Institut report and the Mensa magazine profile, so are sourced. Facts like these are interesting and can be removed if found to be not true, but not when sourced, and it didnt take ME long to spot these in the refs. supplied! Biggish Bertha 21:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Can someone explain w2hy this ever got going? The information is also in the Institute Of Biology sight, so why not politely admit this? I see that all the universities were wiped out by you earlier and I wd like someone to explain why this is allowed! I think you are just a spoiler, so vandalism wd be the cvorrect description for such an action. The idea is to improve a page and not wipe out bits that other people will hope to find! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.153.33 ( talk) 10:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
A friend from the publshing world has given me an opinion about these deletions etc:
"This entry is a good and factual and it is not like a press release. This is sabotage of Wikipedia copy, not editing, with sections being removed in a random way. The section on hobbies is referenced from two published sources. One has been removed on the basis that personal web-site copy cannot be cited. However, this is a profile, not written for or by the web-site compilers, and is a properly source. The same points are separately referenced by the Institute of Biology. Sabotage is the problem with open-access web pages. In the arena of print we do not encounter it. You should report the miscreant, though I do not know how."
Can the sabotageur (=is that right??) be reported please? Biggish Bertha 08:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Consensus has been built by many people over many months, it is just one person who deletes our stuff. Can someone find out why please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.9.21 ( talk) 19:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
You older folks dont understand difference between citing, references, and hosted text. The articles are sources, doesnt matter where they are hosted. The references are the name of book, date and publication details and these are what you needed in references. All youve done is list hot links to articles, what you need is academic references (just an observation) 81.178.238.210 14:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
If the topic is up for discussion, and outside viewpoints, it would be polite for one new person not to keep insertying tags. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.48.41 ( talk) 17:40, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
This page is being not edited, byt vandalised. It is not removing some of the dross. How can you say this? The complete section of authors reminicences was just blanked, and so was the section with the university posts which is hardly "dross" and then a completely non-supportable entry was put in, like some kind of joke, about Prof. Fords motivations. When you do this, it is vandalising a page, and is not normal behavior. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggish Bertha ( talk • contribs) 06:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Here is a start for discussion. This page has really been vandalised repeatedly. I have been looking at September 9 '07, and see whole sections were deleted by user 'Andy Farell', he then inserted gratuitous remarks without any source whatever. Deleting important sections, and inserting unsourced personal remarks, is definately what wikipedia is _not_ about. One of the early remarks was from user 'pleather' who set users off in a positive direction. For a year there has been a built up concensus. Now we have one person deleting sections and putting in insults that are probably a slander anyway. Interesting to note that the remarks concerned Professor Fords personal motives over Mensa, and the source that 'Andy Farell' deleted was from--the Mensa magazine. I bet this is a campaign by one of the Mensa members and (if so) no wonder the category of Member of Mensa was recently removed from wikipedia. I am new here, and just an amateur, and this is apalling behaviour which undermines everything we stand for. Bugeyewoodchuck 10:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
So, you going to run Andy Farrell to source? Nice one! He may just have a fixation. But whatever it is, he can't expect to get away with blanking wikipedia text. Students use this source as a reference for Ford because so many people have gathered things together, and there's nothing like this on the www.brianjford.com website which is really a list of publications plus cuttings. I am going to mark this edition of the page as unvandalised. Feel free to restore if it gets vandalised again, yeah? and thanx! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.61.85.126 ( talk) 12:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
More big deletions, we will need to checkm with the wiki people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.102.2 ( talk) 07:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Mike i want to add this too, Ford is very well known in usa, run a google for microscope research and see, he advises Encyclopedia Britannica and Guiness Books of Records, lectures all over USA, chairs conferences meetings etc, in in many TV programmes, gets reported in Scientific America, etc He is a great name in US science, hehas been for fourty years. 81.179.72.193 13:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC) sorry nearly forgot to sign.
Not known: he is currently on two of yr tv channels —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.238.232 ( talk) 16:26, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure that listing a series of citations is needed for a bio article. If wanted, these views can be summarized rather than providing a list. Here is the text I have removed: ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Jossi,these are books here pe0ople have described Ford in action or his lectures etc, they are not just citations, and one day we'll put up versions of what they say. This is a wiki, and if people want them they should have them, yeah?
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People will probably agree with that, which is how the page was when it was put up, and if citations are needed then there should be a note of the comments from these sources, and some people were lpooking at these in the university library. More advice from jossi, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.103.117 ( talk) 16:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Jossie, hear hear, please block anybody who interferes ngatively. If you can promise people that the big blanking job done by Andy Farell will be conpletely stopped, then we can get back to editing this page. He said he was cutting dross, but what he really cut was good, researched text with full sources! It was only negative. If that will stop then the undoing will stop as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugeyewoodchuck ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Pleased to note that the blanking of pages by user Andy Farell has been ended. We should add useful links and/or sources to this page now. Jossi has had a toast drunk at our bar lunchtime. Bugeyewoodchuck 16:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Many sources are added as jossi says, we can't just ignore pages mirrord on the Brian J. Ford web site. Ford has been working for 40 yrs before journals etc. were digitised and the site has articles dating back before the web, and pages must be used as reference. Importabt thing is that pages have their references, date, page, etc, and this site is a store of hundreds of original articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugeyewoodchuck ( talk • contribs) 08:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
These were put as refs by another editor but when they were first here they were hot links I am certain. I have put the academic references as refs now, and will put descriptions in pointy brackets which I think will make text more cokplete and to look better! Bugeyewoodchuck 11:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Really annoyed that so much good stuff has been omitted. This was getting to be a really great entry. The other bio. sites I see on wikipedia have much more vague information, and they don't get covered with tags. This now doesn't even mention Ford's lecturing and broadcasting. But if you don't want it, don't have it, at least it's there in the history section. 81.179.88.198 09:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
have said that there is a problem; You older folks dont understand difference between citing, references, and hosted text. The articles are sources, doesnt matter where theyre hosted. The references are the name of book, whaveter, date and publication details. These are what you needed in references. All youve done is list hot links to articles, what you need is academic references (just an observation) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.238.210 ( talk) 14:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
EXCELLENT POINT! i Have taken 20 minutes just to add the correct references and to make the links back into links. Please would you kindly not delete all this? I am going to tidy this up in work later this week, and it looks a lot better now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugeyewoodchuck ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Descriptions should be inside pointy brackets after the reference as was done months ago in this page. Why is every one so picky about references etc on this page? None of the other biog pages Ive seen have got any of these. NEway they are there now, hope it keeps you happy... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.93.214 ( talk) 09:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
If Ford is an academic, where is the customary list opening paragraph, detailing where he got his training and the nature of his degrees? The academic field is so credentialist, that's the first thing folks look for on the CV. -- Orange Mike 20:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
If you look into what they mean you will see F.I.Biol. is awarded to scientists of D.Sc. level, jossi. This is a bit ;like my gran editingsomething on a fashion rapper, you just don'w know, so please leave it to people who do know, yeah? That really would be so much more sensible, your present stance looks like a continuing attack. Come back later and learn, though you will probably see B.J.F. on the telly before then. 81.179.102.237 16:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Two points to make: 1. Ford is a major global academic figure, he lectures in countries all arou nd the world and he is cited in hundreds of scientific papers. He's published in Scientific American, New Scientist, Nature etc. He is also reported in these journals. Jossi removed a list of authors describing Ford, calling them citations. But these are independent descriptions and they are absolutely important in a biog. Please put them back! 2. The list of sources is selective and many of Ford's important papers are not here. Trouble is that if we put them all the page would be full of references. However some further examples should be put. Oh a third point 3. There was a TV reference, where did this go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggish Bertha ( talk • contribs) .
This is completely nonsense! Ford has published in B.M.J., Nature, The Microscope, The Cell, scores and scores of peer-reviewed journals. Surely you don't want them all? His bibliographies cover hundreds of pages. He does research on microscopes, blood, locusts, cells, hundreds of topics, please just check first. This is the most inaccurate thing I have read in this peculiar discussion! Biggish Bertha 13:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Do you really want these, there are plenty in 'Nature' etc. as said many times before, does 'Scientific American' count please? They review him and report him as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biggish Bertha ( talk • contribs) 16:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Looks like this page is being edited by a couple of people who really do not know much about the subject. Why are occasional users still being blocked please? Our interest was to stop repeated vandalism and blanking of sections, now much useful information is simply missing. Can we appeal abpout being preveneted from adding new material? Why is there a tag about sources? Other bio articles do not have so many sources. 81.178.250.37 08:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
This is true! My friend who is looking at Mensa connexions here says he knows only two other members of Mensa, Carol Vorderman & Clive Sinclair. Their articles are like fan pages, more than this one ever was, and nearly all statements made have no sources. These need the famous tags put on them. This article no longer needs tags. Will say this on the jossi page as well. Biggish Bertha 13:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Here we have an editor, jossi in fact, whose edits are becoming exactly like Andy Farrell's and are only negative. Jossi, let me explain:- to become a chartered biologist as Ford did many years ago means you are appointed at an official level, this is a european recognition of an experienced biologist after publishing papers, etc. Ford was later elected a fellow of the I.o.B., like Crick and Watson of DNA, because of his disntinguished career in biology. The F.I.Biol. is only given to top-ranking world biologists. It took me less than three minutes to discover this on the web. Please make sure you do not alter or delete things like this again. Wikipedia is written by people who know their subjects, you say you are working from the viewpoint of somebody who is completely ignorant of the facts and worse still, you cannot even locate them online. You must now stop deletng facts, just because you do not happen to know them. Bugeyewoodchuck 11:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Has jossi now added tags to other articles lacking such details of references and sources? Where is that TV link which was briefly mentioned?
The youtube link has now been restored Bugeyewoodchuck 12:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
The tv link has gone and needs to be restored and while we are on the topic, if you google microscope research you find ford as top of 20 million sites. His published work is all over the journals of the world!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.225.77 ( talk) 19:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
There are lots, Nature, British Medical Journal, The Cell, The Microscope, Ford has published new theories etc. in Nature and written editorial articles for Nature and is reviewed by them also. I thought someone (earlier) was going to include some, which would be good for anybody in a science library to do. Some of us who use wikipedia need them, please can this be done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.194.3 ( talk) 11:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
While I have no intention of dismissing the geniuine contributions Dr. Ford may have made, the vast majority of this article presents his ideas as if they are all widely accepted by the rest of the scientific community. The reality is that when Dr. Ford works outside his specialty, he occasionaly produces what can only be called fringe theories. The article smacks of auto-hagiography.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.48.177.50 ( talk) 20:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
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This article is a mess. Firstly, it is not clear exactly what Ford is notable for. The article appears to mostly be a general bio written to promote the subject of the article. It is also extremely poorly sourced, and the source that do appear are often very weak, from the subject himself, primary sources or do not support the text without some interpretation. Even the text critical of him and his theories suffers from the same problem and verges on WP:EDITORIALISING or WP:OR. I have no opinion on Ford either way and hope to work with any interested editors to improve this page. Ashmoo ( talk) 10:12, 16 May 2018 (UTC)