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Please peaple and friend´s, its necessary the indication on external links,, the website Brazil Tourism in
http://www.brasilturismo.com
Please, this link helped to "Rede Brasileira de Turismo"yer man do u think im joking ocofr u dimii x
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Biofebg ( talk • contribs) 02:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
I'd like to suggest that we adopted UK spelling in the main article. This standard is used throughout most of the English speaking world, with the lone exception of the US. It is also used by internationl organisations, including the UN.-- 200.103.134.164 14:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd have to agree with user 200.103.134.164, the UK standard English is mostly used in international organisations worldwide, and would suit the article better if we are to make it standard.
Add [[sr:Бразил]] instead of [[sr:?????]]. Thanks.
Text says: Brazil is organizated as a federation based on the model created in United States of America, although the Brazilian states have much less power than the north-American counterparts.
It should be: Brazil is organizated as a federation. The Brazilian states have its own laws and etc, etc.
It is not good compare a country with other. The text above is a bad comparisson. If it is to compare, why not so, compare the model of states with, The Klingon Empire, or anyother else? No thanks! I am of opinion that these part of the text sould be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.138.44.127 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
It seems that some users do not agree with the addition of the picture of Rocinha Favela. In my opinion this is a must, as this is an article about Brazil that ought to be exposing the poverty in the country as well, as it is definetly not a land full of Itaim Bibi's and wealthy districts. Readers of this article should see some of our poverty, in order to really know what is really going on in this country. That is just something that we cannot hide, we cannot close our eyes to reality.
I would like to remember that economically, Rocinha may be poor; it's additions to our culture however were always very important. As a Brazilian I am not ashamed of this picture and I really don't think that it depreciate our country. In honour to poor Brazilians, I shall be adding this picture everytime it gets deleted. Cheers, Cheiro de lysoform 01:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Let us not forget, fellow Brasileiros, that for Brasileiros there's no better culture than the Brasileira. The brazilian culture is garbage, "playas belas", "soccer", "popozudas" is all garbage. The Brasileira culture, with our artists, musicians, dances, the Frevo, the Capoeira, the Candomblé, the Gaúchos, and every other true original Brasileiro aspect is perhaps the only thing that should pride ourselves, filling our lungs so that we can say "Orgulho de ser Brasileiro". Viva a cultura Brasileira meus irmãos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.164.54.15 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
(EconomistBR 21:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC))
The Brazilian page in english is very important, this is how the rest of the world first knows about Brazil, so let's keep this page as accurate as possible
There is a factual error: Lithuanians are listed as Slavs which they are NOT. Let's keep the facts straight in order not to undermine Wiki's reliability. - 81.151.193.118 00:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)Martin
Hello, I was doing some research on the Japanese people. In the section "Japanese Living Abroad" on that page, it states "The number of Japanese citizens living abroad is estimated to be over 1 million persons, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan. By country, the highest number, were living in the United States, followed by People's Republic of China. The number of person who reside in Brazil was the third largest and that of United Kingdom came fourth." When I came upon this page and looked in the section Demographics, it stated " ...and Japanese-Brazilians are the largest Japanese population outside of Japan (1.5 million)." Which is the true fact? Thanks. -- PinkCrayon 21:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Brazil's Article Introduction
In the introduction of the Brazil’s article there is the following phrase: “Brazil is home to both extensive agricultural lands and rain forests. Exploring vast natural resources and a large labor pool, it is South America's leading economic power and a regional leader”
Although it’s true that Brazil has an extensive agricultural lands and rain forests, it may lead the reader to the usual, but fake, view of the country. Brazil does not only have the biggest economy in South America. Considering the entire Latin America, Brazil has the economy almost as the size as Mexico (the 2nd) and Argentina (the 3rd) together. In the world, Brazil has the 9th or 10th economy. Please, see the link below.
It’s not likely that one country has such a big economy based only on natural and agricultural resources. The fact of the matter is that Brazil’s GDP has the following composition: agriculture: 8.4%; industry: 40%; services: 51,6% (according to CIA World Factbook).
GDP Ranking [ [2]]
Please, help to clarify this so unknown and image distorted country.
Best regards, Flavio Rocha
Alot of people think that "Brazil" is a spelling mistake. I think that's why people keep trying to change it. Zazaban 01:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
<---- No problem with Բրազիլիա or w/e. These languages with ideograms may sometimes lack a symbol or leter that correspond to some names, like in Japanese, the don't have the sound "lee" and so on. So if they call us Basil in chinese, it can be justified. Considering the English language though, Deustchland sounds way different from Germany, as well as Nippon or Italia. The point is that Brasil sounds just like brazil, the Z is a unnecessary romantism, and proving that is your own statement that many people don't know wether it is Brasil or brazil.
However, you as foreigner may spell the name brazil the way you want, it will not make much difference, people even think that we are country in Africa called Argentina! I'm already glad enough that you came here and got to know a bit more about our country. Culturally speaking, now you know that Brasil is more correct although it really is written wrong. It's your call anyway.
Our problem, once again, is with brazilians who consider Brasil a sin in English language. It may sound a bit paranoic, but a brazilian who agrees with brazil so much might as well consider our very own culture garbage comparing to others or at least subconciously prefer other identities. The name brazil is the flag of the depredation of our culture and I'm very sad to see that some of my fellow Brasilians will fight for it until the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.10.89 ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
<---- Following Jozé San Martin's request for evidences of spelling controversies, here are a few newspaper articles that contain the s-spelling:
The mistake is even commited by scientists all around the world, including some who speak English as a mother language, as seen in these articles from several scientific publications:
A few dictionaries aknowlledged the s-spelling:
As seen in these sources (some from worldwide known newspapers), misspelling brazil with Brasil is bound to happen as Brasil and brazil sound just the same.
To the ones who are thinking that we are trying to change the English language, we'd like to say that this is not our goal as this is absurd. Once more, our objective in having replaced the z for an s was to make brazilian people think about how vandalized is our own culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.237.178 ( talk • contribs) 22:43 - 22:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
<---- Please note that this article is protected not due to your single edit, but due to a serie of vandalism edits. Please see the page history to understand what I mean.
You proved me that Brasil is indeed a typo for Brazil. Nevertheless, it's still original research. Spelling controversy is a conclusion you took when reading those articles. Reading WP:OR: All articles on Wikipedia should be based on information collected from published primary and secondary sources. This is not "original research"; it is "source-based research", and it is fundamental to writing an encyclopedia.. Thus, even if you are/were right, it's not something that had been published and submitted to discussion in the proper scientific society. Wikipedia is not a proper place for discussing new theories.
Therefore, all this stuff is only valid in the article Alternative political spelling. Please note that the typo "Brasil" is already there.
Anyway, our country is much bigger than a single damned letter. José San Martin 22:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
<---- They didn't keep, they never wrote Brazil. The letter Z has a different value Spanish language. In the European accent, s is pronouced as s, and z is pronouced like th in thin. It would be quite strange pronouce it like Brathil. Moreover, Spanish language preffers to write c instead of z, when the following vowel is e, i. Thus, they had to choose between Bracil (pron. Brathil) and Brasil and they obviously chose the latter. José San Martin 14:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
This article has a few references, but i'm afraid not enough to make an article of this scope count as "well-referenced". The CIA factbook alone probably doesn't cover most of this article, and even if it does, relying on a single broad references to cover most of the article isn't very reliable. Also, nobody seems to of even reviewed this article in the first place, so that looks suspicious as well. Improve the number of references, and then try to re-nominate this article for Good Article status. Homestarmy 14:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
However beautiful the southern Brazilian girls on this article, i think they give a very poor representation of the population of Brazil. There are only two pictures of Brazilian population: one of Olodum players and the other one of the girls. Besides the fact that even in the south such blonde people are not predominant, they're dressed with typical European costumes. Those people are immigrants that kept their culture, and are very small minority of the population. That is similar to choosing two pictures from the American population, one representing a Wasp, the other an Amish community. Furthermore, there is also a picture of a German style house. The influence of non-Portuguese Europe is surely present in Brazil, but is not that important. -- Ezadarque 22:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that everyone agree with the prestige that the German influence related pictures have in this article, so I think that we should also change the official language to German as well, as it looks as if we were colonized by Germans. What about pictures of Quilombos? Pictures of streets of favelas? Oh, right, they show a third-world country and therefore foreign people will not visit Brazil, and moreover, the people who would be related to these pictures are less Brazilian than those german ladies¿
Reading this article, one may also think, judging by posh office buildings shown, that Brazil is like Dubai. No contrast is being shown, right in the article of a country with perhaps the most serious social inequalty issues in the world.
The emphasis on the pictures of beaches also endorses the jargon of Brazil being a land solely of "Playas belas". Not that they are unnecessary - Brazil has plenty of playas belas - but we should add pictures of universities, Embraer workshops, Alcantara Space Launcher, or anything that could depict how advanced is Brazilian technology instead of filling it up with tropical scenarios.
Reality is harsh, you cannot deny it pretending that here it's all about parties, Olodum and beaches. People may think that I am making a fuss about nothing, but the pictures are what draw most of any user's atention while visiting an article - many reading only the sections with the most interesting illustrations.
But there is no need for worries. I shall not be replacing the current photos again. I also send my congratulations to user João Felipe C.S, for showing the world the real Brazil that I was unaware of. He is so right, that he added all these pictures without any discussion here first, and I guess that plenty of Brazilians agree with him having not protested at all. I give up then, but I am very happy though, because my country is so rich and I did not even know it!
Best regards,
From a Brazilian who seems to know pretty much nothing about his own country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.220.155 ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Tosh. This is the problem with Brazilians. Anything from the North and the Northeast is proudly exhibited as an icon of Brazil, no matter how non-representative, whereas people from Southern Brazil are never considered "Brazilian" enough. If THAT isn't racism, I don't know what is. What is the problem of including a few pictures from typical places in Southern Brazil? There's Olodum already (quite "African", uh?) and Indians. Now Blumenau is too much "European" for your taste? Well, I'm sorry, but it's in Brazil too. And many places in that forgotten corner of Southern Brazil are just like that, like it or not. Don't try to erase history and simply ignore the importance of Southern Brazil. 201.21.200.15 14:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not complaining about the German related pictures, and I do not think that they should be removed. I am against the prestige that they have in this article. There is more German culture depicted than African, and that is really unfair since there is more people and things related to Africa than to Germany in Brazil. Moreover, this article is not accurate as it does not show the poverty that exists in this country, which cannot be denied. Anyone who checks our country's streets with his own eyes will see how false is the idea of Brazil that this article conveys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.197.20 ( talk • contribs) 20:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Wow.. what a beautiful place.. ppl must see the real brazil not only glamourized rocinha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.32.19 ( talk • contribs) 11:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Brazil is indeed a country currently facing some very, very serious issues. It is, however, hypocritical to create a separate session for the country's social problems. There isn't a "social issues" session on Mexico's wikipage, for example. Nor in Argentina's one. But the most biased pages are those relating to the Anglosphere. You don't a read a single line about America's problems (and there are many, my friends, for nobody is perfect on this Earth), or Britain's controversies. -> A Brazilian.
S T O P the stigmatization of Brazil!!!!! I don't know why we are idiots enough to contribute with the Anglo-biased image of Brazil. Brazil: the country of coffee, favelas,carnival where people live in jungles???? Did you see the documentary produced by CNN about Brazil? It was the most biased, horrible and disgusting as its possible. That's why countries like South Africa, with 10% of the richness of Brazil appears so beautiful, while our country seems Somalia on television.
I heard that brazil decalred national bankruptcy long time ago after ww2. I don't know if there is any truth to that but it would be nice to know —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.138.142 ( talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Flag
Why is the flag shown the old republican flag from the 19th century?
Makerowner 16:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Page DESTROYED
Some vandals are destroying the page.
I hope some administrator blocks this page as SOON as possible!!!!—Preceding
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There's a lot of vandalism
Brazil article is being attacked by vandals.
I think the article should keep closed to unregistered people. —Preceding
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Due to regionalism, the picture of South was removed. We shouldn't use this page thinking in a regional way. Brazil is much bigger than the south, and we should try to represent the country as a whole.
-- 208.24.179.29 18:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Where are the favelas, poverty and other common issues in Brazil? Are you trying to represent the Brazil you want or the real Brazil? I don't agree with this article! -- 201.27.181.198 10:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
You're probably a white rich/middle class Brazilian that doesn't know the poverty in which many Brazilians live, Brazil is one of the most unequal countries in the world, and you people only wanna show the "nice" part of your country. Supaman89
That, sir, was a very racist thing to say. I can't disagree, Brazil is indeed one of the most unequal countries in the world, especially the northeast region. But there is many incorrect data on this article. I suggest some scientific reading, instead of "guessing statements", suchs as the one regarding the amazon rainforest and erradication of species. There is a lot of misinformation about Brazil, and the main text certainly does not help. Any brazilian knows about the reality of his people. It's presumptuos to consider that you know best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodrigomello ( talk • contribs)
From the main page: "In order to avoid a civil war between Army and Navy, Pedro II renounced the throne on 15 November 1889". This is quite different from what Brazilian schoolbooks register, and there are no mentions here or in the "History of Brazil" page about a civil war threat or a voluntary abdication. Can anyone provide a source for this? 201.52.26.10 19:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
"Portuguese as spoken in Brazil has developed independently of the European mother tongue, and it has undergone fewer phonetic changes than the language spoken in Portugal". Ok, now this definitely needs a quote. ptknight 18:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
A couple of points: first of all, it has nothing to do with “spelling standard”, as we are basically talking about sound change, which, in the case of Portuguese since the 16th century, has only marginally been captured by spelling reforms. Now, the sentence may indeed need a reference (or even a slight touch-up), although I should remind you that this information is pretty much common ground among linguists, so it wouldn’t be a big deal if there were no quotes at all anyway. Unchallenged verities hardly need quotes. Giorgioz 19:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think Portuguese from Brazil and Portuguese from Portugal are more different than Spanish from Spain and Spanish from Mexico, or Spanish from Cuba and Spanish from Peru, and yet we don't care listening to music in a Colombian accent, so I don't know why you make such a big deal about it, and try to show the world that you speak your own language, you can understand each other don’t you? Then you speak the same language that simple. -- Supaman89
I do not think it is not necessary, or encyclopedic to say in the poverty section "Despite being a large country with extensive resources and a huge economy,". I think it is more than enough to say "Brazil currently has more than 22 million people living in state of extreme poverty" Chico 03:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
These IBGE numbers are biased, people in Brazil have a great tendency give answers closer to the white end of the spectrum, for example, black people tend to answer they are mulattos, and mulattos tend to say they are white. I am not saying every person will answer that way, but some do; and the questioner has to write as they say, even if a black person answer they're white. Anyone who knows Brazil knows these number are way of mark, and I think the article should reflect that, I am going to change it again and I hope it is not regarded as vandalism again. Chico 03:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it not the same way in the United States (to an extent)? Just the complete opposite? Even "if" the numbers were biased WP:NOR doesn't allow us to refute their census data. Shakam 03:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
All right I'm going to travel today so I don't have the time to look for the sources, but i know they exist and I'll post back as soon as I find them. Chico 05:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the race numbers are biased. Two issues arise: 1. Race doesn't exist scientifically, so it is culturally based anyway 2. Brazilians have one of the most interesting and complicated racial systems. It is somewht based on skin color, but also based on class and other things. So any attempt to place people in categories will be flawed. That being said, the IBGE numbers state that many more people are white than would be considered white in a country like the United States, which still mostly adheres to the one drop rule in my opinion. This means that anyone that is somewhat dark is excluded from being white (i.e. Obama is black). In Brazil from my experience anyone that is not completely black is mulatto, and anyone that is at least 1/4 European is white. But like any racial categories it is highly subjective. I think finding some other numbers would yield a more complete picture of Brazil's racial composition. OneWorld22 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there an article about the aviation crisis in Brazil? Thanks
More catholics than Italy. Fucking way to go Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Please rephrase your complaint so that we can understand it.
By a conservative estimate, there are 120 million Catholics in Brazil. The total population of Italy is less tha half of that. Did you flunk basic arithmetic, or what? Macgreco 01:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I sugest we ignore this coment, sounds like trolling Chico 04:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The original post was rude and unclear, but the replies didn't help a thing. It makes no sense to try to compare Brazil and Italy in absolute terms, beause one is much bigger, so the logic of the argument is flawed (I'm assuming you chose Italy as the seat of Catholicism, or the most Catholic country in the world, presumably). Its like arguing you can take more juice out of a late melon than a small orange; of course you can, it's that much bigger, but the orange is that much juicier. I think some one needs to re-sit some basic arithmatic exams! Cheers. Loge 02:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the international ranking table added before is relevant. The only ranking really relavent to the article was the HDI ranking and it was already present, if there were a consensus that this information was relavent, I think it would have been added to the country infobox by now, the way to try to add would be in the infobox, not on the article, in my opinion. Please lets discuss this instead of just reverting the edits.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Chicocvenancio ( talk • contribs) 01:05, 17 January 2007 Chico 17:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Bolsa Família is a part of the Fome Zero program, we should not cite them close to each other without citing the relationship between them. Chico 17:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
These links:
Were added by accounts whose only edits appear to have been to promote World Bank websites. One of the accounts is an IP address registered to the World Bank Group. (Note: doingbusiness.org is a World Bank project). In keeping with our conflict of interest and external links guidelines I've moved them here for consideration by regular editors of this article who are unaffiliated with the organization. Personally I think all five links is an over representation in the article.
Note this was also added by one of the same accounts and should be considered by regular editors too. -- Siobhan Hansa 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
The negative twist at the end of the following sentence does not appear to be supported by the referenced article.
"The government of Brazil is attempting a switch to free software and operating systems in place of proprietary software with little success so far."
Is there information available on adoption rates / real or percieved barriers / etc that can be referenced to support this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.48.104 ( talk) 17:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
I fixed the Religion subject with the official data (reference provided in portuguese from official bureau) and put some order and standardization on it. Alvaroludolf 19:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The IBGE has no data as on what kind of " spiritism" is practised, the census merely takes note of the denomination the "recensee" gives out, and in those numbers are certainly included other traditions other than the Kardequian.
As Wikipedia points out in spiritism:
The term was coined by Kardec as the specific name of the doctrine but -- given the fact that the word was created from roots taken from the common language -- it was soon incorporated into normal use and used for other doctrines as well, though the original Spiritists protest this usage.
Thus, it is inappropriate to point out in [Brazil#Religion] that 1.3% are followers of Spiritism, based on the Allan Kardec's doctrine (about 2.2 million). since there are an unknown number of other religious practices bundled within 'spiritism', about which IBGE's census has no data.
Someone fix that please.-- 200.163.203.53 17:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I mean, it is merely speculation, that a majority (an unknown proportion) of spiritist would practice the Kardequian doctrine. Seccondly, this information is attributed to the census, which is notoriously erroneous. The statement should be corrected to 1.3% are followers of Spiritism (about 2.2 million) lest the article should be in the fault of inserting notoriously erroneous information to the census data.-- 200.193.155.177 04:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
This information is not attributed to the census, it IS the information from the census, i put a link to it. I did not speculated anything because here we do not speculate, we transcribe, compile and organize data and knowledge and so i did from a reliable source of information. So you find a reliable source of information saying that the census is erroneous and that the correct data is something else and we change it, better than speculating on this subject. If not we should stick to the official data. PS: we should not use "official" data provided by the religious institutions because i am pretty sure that it will make the Brazilian population double in size. Alvaroludolf 11:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh damn, my mistake... i just saw your point, sorry. I used the old text and only included the data from census to it, but the data should remain the same. Alvaroludolf 11:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The official website of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church) states that over 930,000 members of that religion reside in Brazil. Within the next couple of years, that number is expected to rise to over 1 million members. This article states that only 200,000 Mormons live in Brazil. This is an inaccuracy and should be changed. I'm making the change for the second time.
I live in Brazil for much more years than you lived here (I was born here and never left) and I was amazed to know that there are almost 200,000 mormons (I am not sure that it is corect to call them this way but since you used this term I will assume that it is ok). Personally I doubt that there were more than a few thousands. See, I never met a single mormon in my entire life. I asked on my colegues here and neither of them have ever met a mormo too. My wife never met a mormon, nobody that I know, know of someone that have ever met a mormon. On the other hand I have at least 3 friends that are Jews, and they are less than 100,000 in Brazil. I could put on the article that i think that there are about 5,000 mormons in Brazil, but I can't because we are not expressing our view here. We must rely on verifiable and reliable sources only and there are no more reliable source than an official census. You might think otherwise, I might think otherwise and it is ok if you want to discuss it here, but the article will not be published under personal points of view.
Beside that i am pretty sure that if we use the information from each church "official" data the brazilian population will pass the half billion people mark. Alvaroludolf 12:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
@Alvoroludolf: I served as a missionary in Brazil. I would bet that you have met at least one member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know that in the city (and stake of the church by the same name) of São Carlos, SP there are about 5,000 members of the church. As to the statement on church membership and national population, a person can belong to more than one church. For instance, one may have been baptized as a Catholic shortly after being born, and then later join another church or several churches. Thus one person could be included as Catholic, Latter-day Saint, and Methodist, if he was ever considered a member of those churches without requesting his name be removed from their records. Scc4fun 18:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
And once again someone changed the data on LDS giving as the source... the church itself. That is a reliable source, right? I mean, if the catholic church claimed 6 billion people as its followers, we would believe it, wouldn't we? Macgreco 04:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, can we lock this topic again? We had more than 5 acts of vandalism just today. I don't think it is safe to say that the vandalism is gone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alvaroludolf ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC).
It is really soon here in Brazil and I log in too see that we already have about 5 acts of vandalism here. Those acts of vandalism is not going anywhere aparently. Is there any reason for not locking this article for a long time. Alvaroludolf 13:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Someone will adds reference about Xylella fastidiosa Genome Project and [3] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ricardo Carneiro Pires ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
The information about Brazil should come from neutral sources. The US Department of State is a political entity and it brings tendentious information about Latin American countries and should not be considered as a source of information for Brazil's article. The written report that talks about human traffic has political purposes, and it used an isolated case to justify sanctions against the steel industry of Brazil (a threat for the American Industry), contested by the Brazilian Foreign Relations Ministry. Moreover, each nation should be the responsible for its own description.
With all due respect for brazilians, I ask to unprotect that article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.7.46.243 ( talk • contribs)
Can we stop this edit war? People wouldn't like to see Human trafic on the article for some reason? So lets see some aguments why it is better with or without it. Lets see some arguments or this will never end. Alvaroludolf 14:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If no one answers this topic I will remove the comments... especially after I noticed that Brazil is not cited in the Trafficking in human beings article, and Russia(who is cited) does not cite it in the article(a Good Article by the way) Chico 01:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC) I have removed the section, lets please reach a consensus before changing it Chico 17:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The second paragraph would be more accurate with the expressions Melting Pot or Cultural and Racial Pluralism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.1.70.171 ( talk • contribs) 03:57, 3 March 2007
The capital of Brazil is not Sao Paulo, as the article states. It is Brasililia.
"According to the Brazilian constitution of 1988, racism is an unbailable crime and must be met with imprisonment."
This should be expanded upon if it bears any relation to the truth. The term "racism", as I understand it, refers to beliefs rather than actions, and you cannot criminalise beliefs unless you have the technology to read people's minds.
Let's suppose that I believe white people are inferior to black (or vice versa), therefore I am a racist. At what point do I commit an imprisonable crime? Is it at the moment I start thinking about it (obviously impossible)? Is it at the moment I start telling people about it, or writing books about it? Or is it at the moment that I start acting on those beliefs and begin physically attacking people of a different race? 217.155.20.163 00:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Robertomalancini 05:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Roberto
I feel very sorry if you know so little of the technological production on Brazil. Look for the advancement in ethanol, oceanic oil extraction, agro technology, small airplanes production, uranium refinement, biotechnology, AI research, space program, etc. If you want to look only to the bad side of Brazil, look for poverty, lack of public health and education and specially government corruption but saying that we are not an advanced country is a lack of view. Sure we can't be compared with Japan or US but even against those countries we have an advanced in certain fields of expertise (specially on fuel technology and agro technology). You also seems to know very little about software industry. Brazil have a software industry compared to India and China but with one exception, we consume much of the software that we produce. One other small difference, while India focus in low tech software, Brazil have a software research in the fields of AI and Biotechnology. Alvaroludolf 15:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Dear Dr. Ludendorff, I didn’t saw your friend providing any proof either but ok, lets see if i can help you on this. First you need to improve the usage of your general reading. "Brazil have a software industry compared to India and China" doesn’t mean "much better", means similar. Now... to your proof. I will assume that your Portuguese is better than my English.
http://www.bndes.gov.br/conhecimento/seminario/EugenioStaub.pdf - Look for a subject called "A Indústria de Software no Brasil, China e Índia (2001)", they have some nice chart with numbers that I assume you will be able to understand.
I would love to search for other sources but this one will give you the data that you... require, feel free to browse for more on internet, I am pretty sure that you will improve the view you have from Brazil.
I also think that it is unfair to compare Brazilian publications with Japan or US, since they are completely different countries (read “developed countries”) but is this really so bad?
http://www.iea.usp.br/iea/observatorios/educacao/superior/pesquisaposgraduacao/sabarretofutorodapos.pdf - Look for "Produtividade e Comparação com Outros Países". One more time, charts. Not that hard to read.
Ok, we have much bigger population but remember that i said that education in Brazil was a problem? And still we have a good intellectual publications compared with India and China if you take the size population in account.
See, the picture is not that dark on those fields for Brazil. I hope to bring some light to your MSc and DSc of yours. I also think that you should avoid trying to disqualify someone opinion with his proficiency on English language or because you have a bigger resume than him (and by the way, you don’t have, but i am not looking for a job here so who cares about my education level here?). This is specially unpleasant coming from someone with so many degrees.
Alvaroludolf 13:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not know who is Roberto Ludendorff. But his number of publications criterium is a good indicator in science, as is the number of citations. In any case, we do not have native electronic industry and we do not make electronic chips. Most of our thesis are in the library and not in industrial labs. There is some initiative by FAPESP to change this picture, but there is still much work to be done. Thanks to Collor and FHC and wrong policies such as "Reserva de informatica", our native electronic industry is gone ("perdemos o bonde da historia"). With respect to your report, it clearly shows a dependence on international technology in electronics and, to be honest with you, we have progress in software but we are not a major exporter of software (where competition is fierce). I can claim that I have a time machine at home but it is for private use. Moreover, remember that I have never said that we do not make anything in terms of software, I have only stated that we are not a major player yet, ALTHOUGH we have an enormous POTENTIAL. RobertomalanciniRobertoMalancini
It is not because we have the same name that we should be friends. In the article, it is written that "Brazilian information technology is considered one of the most advanced in the world". So why don't we compete internationally? That is my only point. Many other countries have internet banking system, access to government facilities by internet, etc. And so what? I am not saying that we do not make software, I am only saying that besides our big potential in software technology, it is ARGUABLE to claim that we have one of the most advanced information technology in the world. Besides that, anyone who has studied information technology, knows that this term is not applied only to software development. Roberto ludendorffLudendorff
I never deffended that our software industry was among the most advanced, just that we have numbers comparable to China and India, that aren't the most advanced countries either, but are concidered "major players" in the global software market. I never said that we are comparable to US or Japan, did I? The only reason why we don't have export numbers like India is because we actually have an internal market to consume the software produced here. Anyway, you are a registered user, feel free to go there and change whatever you want since you are an specialist in Software Industry. Alvaroludolf 12:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
==== No further comments, only an additional phrase The text looks much better now. No further comments. With respect to the Space Agency, the phrase is lost in the text. I suggest the following replacement:
After a succesful enterpreneurship in the manufacturing of small and medium airplanes, Brazil is looking for developing space technology. This effort is coordinated by the Brazilian Space Agency. We have already fabricated satellites and sent an astronaut to visit the international space station with a Russian spacecraft. However, we still need to make a working space launcher, our initial launchs were unsuccesful (due to lack of funds and a certain embargo of parts from developed countries who consider this technology sensitive). Our satellites are helping the country to monitor the Amazon region, for example. Ludendorff
==== Ludendorff and Ludolf
I will change a little bit your suggested addition:
After a succesful enterpreneurship in the manufacturing of small and medium airplanes, Brazil is looking for developing space technology. This effort is being coordinated by the Brazilian Space Agency (Agencia Espacial Brasileira). We have already fabricated satellites and an astronaut has recently visited the international space station (traveling in a Russian spacecraft). However, we still need to make a working space launcher, our initial tests were unsuccesful (due to lack of funds and a certain embargo of parts from developed countries who consider this technology sensitive). Our satellites are helping, for example, to monitor the Amazon region.
Our agricultural throughput is being improved by the application of bio-technology. Recently, a project called Xylella fastidiosa Genome Project has decoded the genetic code of a plague that affects orange trees. We have also developed a medicine to control hypertension based upon rattlesnake's poison. Our flora and fauna provides a unique environment to discover new medicines.
Robertomalancini Roberto Malancini
No problem on this, just remeber to use a neutral voice when writing in articles, so instead of writing "Our agricultural..." rephrase as "Brazilian's agricultural...", and things like this. Alvaroludolf 12:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
We do not make computers! US and Japan do make CPUS, electronic chips, etc. We do not, although a few small companies assemble computers. In science and technology, we are strong in agriculture and biology (Thanks to Embrapa, Butantan Institute, etc), manufacturing of small/medium airplanes (Embraer), Mathematics (IMPA). All the rest can be described as pure ufanism and wish to be thoughts. RobertomalanciniRoberto
201.82.45.151 02:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Correction suggestion: In the following phrase: "In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, Brazil attracted over 5 million European, Arab and Japanese immigrants. During this time Brazil became industrialized, further colonized, and its interior further explored and developed." - instead of saying that Brazil was "further colonized", I believe it'd be better if it could be changed to something like "occupied". "Colonized" is more related with political appropriation..
Economy section:
1.Include the fact that the CIA World facts and the UN states that Brazil is highly indebted. This will show a more true picture of the country
2. It can be added that our reserves have reached 100 billion dollars
3. Remove the phrase that we are major producers of electrical products.
Science and Technology.
1. Add that the Brazilian software is mostly used for internal usage. Instead of claiming that we possess one of the most advanced information technology in the world (VERY ARROGANT), say that we have an advanced software technology with great potential to be a major player in this area in the future.
2. Cite IMPA, Embrapa, Butantan centre, etc. as centres of excellence in research.
3. Brazilian academic science and technology has not yet been fully applied to industry, a problem that the country needs to overcome in the future. We are a mid-income country in search of development.
4. You may argue that we have an advanced software technology, we are major players in agriculture and mining and we manufacture small/medium airplanes.
Is it so annoying to tell the truth? Is this an article for touristic purposes? RobertomalanciniRoberto
Will you include the american debt too? *sigh* But yeah... go ahead and change, I see an improvement here. Alvaroludolf 12:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
5. Eliminate multiple cross-references. It seems the cities and other entries are referred to more than once, all over the article, with the double brackets. References should be made only on the first time a word appears on the text, and not every single time it does. Moreover, I believe we should mention Easter as a national holiday, along with the Good Friday - although it is always on a Sunday, it may not be so obvious for people looking for reliable information on the country.
I believe we should mention the many scandals that plague the Brazilian Congress in the politics section. In Brazil, they are so frequent they are almost folkloric. Of course there’s no need to go into much detail in this general article, but maybe a short paragraph mentioning some of the main incidents (impeachment, “dwarves”, Mensalão, etc) with links to more specific articles? I believe that would give readers a better idea of the Brazilian reality. Currently the politics section is too limited. It only presents formal rules from the Brazilian Constitution.
Sparks1979 15:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering what other users think about the creation and inclusion of sections on “Health”, “Education” and the “Military”? Seems like pretty basic stuff to me, therefore I favor its insertion in the article. Also, in case we decide to include these topics, how should the sections be organized?
Sparks1979 15:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I would second the addition of those sections as they are an important part of any culture. Scc4fun 18:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
There's a teenager user, nicked João Felipe C.S , who has been changing the pictures of all Brazil's articles, in all languages, in Wikipedia's project. The fact is that this user is racist and is always trying to sell the idea of a fake European Brazil.
One exemple: he posted a picture of an unknown woman of Germanic name in the Brazil's article ( Ellen Gracie Northfleet, who is this woman?). The thing is that I am Brazilian and I have never seen anything about that woman in my life. And I know most Brazilians do not know who she is. So, why did João Felipe C.S post a picture of her in Brazil's article? Because she is White and blond.
Why did he erase the picture of the Brazilian Indians and posted pictures of Southern Brazilians cities settled by Germans? Because he is racist. He has been doing this White-wash in Brazilian articles of many languages. He has no permition for doing that! Somebody should stop him! Brazil is Multiracial country, not a fake European copy. Everybody knows that. By the way, somebody should teach João Felipe C.S that, in Brazil, racism is a crime, and he can be on prision soon. Thank you all, and let's not let him sell his racist ideas. Opinoso 00:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
If the user is a teenager or not, that doesn't matter in first place, and it looks like you are being the only racist, judging by your phrase "Why (...) he posted pictures of southern brazilians cities(...)? Because he is a racist" does not make any sense at all. Wikipedia is not a place to carry personal attacks. If you have a problem with the user, please go fight with him out of here.
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Alberto msr 00:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if he is a real racist or not but I believe the article doesn't have to present only one side view on the issue. Indians and mulatos are also part of Brazil and they must have a place in this article. BrazucaSP 14:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
For some reason, I am unable to edit this page. From the discussions of vandalism and the fact that I am a newly registered user, I can imagine that this page might be protected to prevent me from editing it, but if so, shouldn't there be some sort of notice at the top of the page?
Something needs to be done about the huge amounts of white space in the article (at least when viewed with IE), it just looks horrible right now...
- CMoosey
Searching for the word 'violence' on the article, there are no ocurrences of it. On the tiny section about social problems, violence is also not cited. Why there is nothing about violence on the article of the 3rd most violent country in the world? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.72.61.133 ( talk) 00:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
What products does it produce? im making a report? The evil O,malley 19:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
RobertomalanciniRoberto
I tried checking out books, trust me no product talk. PS Does this country sell anything special?? The evil O,malley
A good article, cited, good prose and satisfies all WP:WIAGA. Congratulations. However, there are several suggestions on how to improve this article:
Good work and congratulaions to all who contributed. Limongi 14:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This item has been listed for review. Feel free to comment. - 凶 14:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has way too many images.-- Ezadarque 11:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for removing my "expansion" of the Science and Technology section. I will repeat again that Brazil is not a major producer of electrical equipment. Our main exports are commodities! Go overseas and try to find Brazilian IPODs and computers. I give up, anyway, and DO NOT CONSIDER THIS ARTICLE TO BE GOOD! Another reality hidden in this article: the majority of the population in Brazil consists of blacks and mullatos. [Roberto]
The question that I raise is about the definition of manufactured product. If you assemble something in a country with sombeody else's technology is a definition of manufacturing, then I completely agree with you. Most of Brazilian automobiles are fabricated by international companies (Volkswagen, Volvo, Mercedes, Ford, GM, etc.) in Brazil. The same applies to many other products. Now, coming back to electronics: do we make CPUs, memories, etc. in Brazil or do we just assemble the parts? What about our mobile phones, isn't it the same? Embraer really does a nice job, although it imports all avionics and engines (but the structure of the airplane is quite complicated as well and Embraer deserves the merit of doing it). Please be careful with the terms and add some clarification, otherwise people will reckon that Nokia is a Brazilian company. I should remember that information technology can be described as: 1. Computer hardware 2. Computer software 3. Computer networks and management 4. Coding and transmission of information. If you only make software, it is misleading to claim that you make computers. My point is, clarify your definition of manufacturing and clarify your definition of information technology and computers. Please read the special report about Brazil at the Economist! This can considerably improve the text herein. Roberto
If you would like to find a truly description of Brazil, please read the "special report on Brazil" in the Economist. I congratulate this magazine for this special report, it has accurately depicted the country. The economic section in this report is 100 times better than the one that you will find here! You will find the true Brazil there, not a touristic description like this one. [Roberto]
The article Brazil was removed from the Good Article List due to a major problem of Conflict of Interests, because the user who reviewed the article, Limongi, is a member of the Wikiproject Brazil. Also, the article doesn't meet the needed requirements to qualify as a good article. Please visit the following link to see the comments and suggestions left by other editors to improve this article: Wikipedia:Good_article_review. Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 03:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
By all rights, I should just quickfail the article per WP:POINT: The article was renominated at WP:GAC within hours after the delisting occured. The delisting was done by consensus decision, the results of which can be found at this archived discussion. However, since you wanted a second opinion, here it is. These are the reasons that it does NOT meet the good article requirements found at WP:WIAGA:
That's it. If you seriously want this article to be a GA or Featured Status, you should consider spending your energy on making these fixes, and stop trying to make a point by continuously renominating it as-is. Good day and happy editing. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 02:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=199&gclid=COOVgPaLiowCFRtxYAodOTlV7Q While as much as 74% of the population of Brazil may be nominally Roman Catholic, the trend since 1950, has been toward protestantism in Brazil, as in all Latin American Countries. 12.72.205.220 00:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
74% are Roman Catholics (about 139 million)....58% of Catholics considered themselves "not very practicing" or "not at all practicing".[31] So the number of practicing Roman Catholics in Brazil is 42% of 74%!!!!! This second sentence belongs immediately after the first sentence, not at the very end. It changes the entire context of the claim made in the first sentence.
Also Brazil has a large, and growing, Anglican Church, with bishops, dioceses, cathedrals and seminaries that is not even mentioned! 12.72.206.167 03:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
If religion were the only problem in Brazil! Luckilly we are a lay state, I wished we were a more rational and educated people. Freedom of religion is a must, including the possibility of having none. [Roberto]
No substantive fixes have been done to this article to make it comply with the good article criteria located at WP:WIAGA. A long list of fixes have been listed above, and no action has been taken on them. PLEASE stop renominating it at WP:GAC until the fixes have been made. It is a waste of time and resources to continue to do so. If this article continues to be renominated, mediation will be sought per WP:POINT. Please stop now. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 17:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Official Brazilian Anglican website http://www.anglicancommunion.org/tour/province.cfm?ID=B1
Official Brazilian Presbyterian website http://www.apib.org/history.htm
Official Mormons in Latin America website http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d10511154963d010VgnVCM1 000004e94610aRCRD Argentina 348,396 Belize 3,079 Bolivia 148,630 Brazil 928,926 Chile 539,193 Colombia 149,973 Costa Rica 34,036 Ecuador 170,736 El Salvador 93,246 Guatemala 200,537 Guyana 1,845 Honduras 116,416 Mexico 1,043,718 Nicaragua 52,184 Panama 40,897 Paraguay 61,308 Peru 416,060 Uruguay 96,943 Venezuela 134,597 TOTAL 4,580,720 (36% of Total LDS Church Membership) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.72.208.136 ( talk) 01:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
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Please peaple and friend´s, its necessary the indication on external links,, the website Brazil Tourism in
http://www.brasilturismo.com
Please, this link helped to "Rede Brasileira de Turismo"yer man do u think im joking ocofr u dimii x
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Biofebg ( talk • contribs) 02:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
I'd like to suggest that we adopted UK spelling in the main article. This standard is used throughout most of the English speaking world, with the lone exception of the US. It is also used by internationl organisations, including the UN.-- 200.103.134.164 14:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd have to agree with user 200.103.134.164, the UK standard English is mostly used in international organisations worldwide, and would suit the article better if we are to make it standard.
Add [[sr:Бразил]] instead of [[sr:?????]]. Thanks.
Text says: Brazil is organizated as a federation based on the model created in United States of America, although the Brazilian states have much less power than the north-American counterparts.
It should be: Brazil is organizated as a federation. The Brazilian states have its own laws and etc, etc.
It is not good compare a country with other. The text above is a bad comparisson. If it is to compare, why not so, compare the model of states with, The Klingon Empire, or anyother else? No thanks! I am of opinion that these part of the text sould be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.138.44.127 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
It seems that some users do not agree with the addition of the picture of Rocinha Favela. In my opinion this is a must, as this is an article about Brazil that ought to be exposing the poverty in the country as well, as it is definetly not a land full of Itaim Bibi's and wealthy districts. Readers of this article should see some of our poverty, in order to really know what is really going on in this country. That is just something that we cannot hide, we cannot close our eyes to reality.
I would like to remember that economically, Rocinha may be poor; it's additions to our culture however were always very important. As a Brazilian I am not ashamed of this picture and I really don't think that it depreciate our country. In honour to poor Brazilians, I shall be adding this picture everytime it gets deleted. Cheers, Cheiro de lysoform 01:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Let us not forget, fellow Brasileiros, that for Brasileiros there's no better culture than the Brasileira. The brazilian culture is garbage, "playas belas", "soccer", "popozudas" is all garbage. The Brasileira culture, with our artists, musicians, dances, the Frevo, the Capoeira, the Candomblé, the Gaúchos, and every other true original Brasileiro aspect is perhaps the only thing that should pride ourselves, filling our lungs so that we can say "Orgulho de ser Brasileiro". Viva a cultura Brasileira meus irmãos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.164.54.15 ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
(EconomistBR 21:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC))
The Brazilian page in english is very important, this is how the rest of the world first knows about Brazil, so let's keep this page as accurate as possible
There is a factual error: Lithuanians are listed as Slavs which they are NOT. Let's keep the facts straight in order not to undermine Wiki's reliability. - 81.151.193.118 00:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)Martin
Hello, I was doing some research on the Japanese people. In the section "Japanese Living Abroad" on that page, it states "The number of Japanese citizens living abroad is estimated to be over 1 million persons, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan. By country, the highest number, were living in the United States, followed by People's Republic of China. The number of person who reside in Brazil was the third largest and that of United Kingdom came fourth." When I came upon this page and looked in the section Demographics, it stated " ...and Japanese-Brazilians are the largest Japanese population outside of Japan (1.5 million)." Which is the true fact? Thanks. -- PinkCrayon 21:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Brazil's Article Introduction
In the introduction of the Brazil’s article there is the following phrase: “Brazil is home to both extensive agricultural lands and rain forests. Exploring vast natural resources and a large labor pool, it is South America's leading economic power and a regional leader”
Although it’s true that Brazil has an extensive agricultural lands and rain forests, it may lead the reader to the usual, but fake, view of the country. Brazil does not only have the biggest economy in South America. Considering the entire Latin America, Brazil has the economy almost as the size as Mexico (the 2nd) and Argentina (the 3rd) together. In the world, Brazil has the 9th or 10th economy. Please, see the link below.
It’s not likely that one country has such a big economy based only on natural and agricultural resources. The fact of the matter is that Brazil’s GDP has the following composition: agriculture: 8.4%; industry: 40%; services: 51,6% (according to CIA World Factbook).
GDP Ranking [ [2]]
Please, help to clarify this so unknown and image distorted country.
Best regards, Flavio Rocha
Alot of people think that "Brazil" is a spelling mistake. I think that's why people keep trying to change it. Zazaban 01:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
<---- No problem with Բրազիլիա or w/e. These languages with ideograms may sometimes lack a symbol or leter that correspond to some names, like in Japanese, the don't have the sound "lee" and so on. So if they call us Basil in chinese, it can be justified. Considering the English language though, Deustchland sounds way different from Germany, as well as Nippon or Italia. The point is that Brasil sounds just like brazil, the Z is a unnecessary romantism, and proving that is your own statement that many people don't know wether it is Brasil or brazil.
However, you as foreigner may spell the name brazil the way you want, it will not make much difference, people even think that we are country in Africa called Argentina! I'm already glad enough that you came here and got to know a bit more about our country. Culturally speaking, now you know that Brasil is more correct although it really is written wrong. It's your call anyway.
Our problem, once again, is with brazilians who consider Brasil a sin in English language. It may sound a bit paranoic, but a brazilian who agrees with brazil so much might as well consider our very own culture garbage comparing to others or at least subconciously prefer other identities. The name brazil is the flag of the depredation of our culture and I'm very sad to see that some of my fellow Brasilians will fight for it until the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.10.89 ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
<---- Following Jozé San Martin's request for evidences of spelling controversies, here are a few newspaper articles that contain the s-spelling:
The mistake is even commited by scientists all around the world, including some who speak English as a mother language, as seen in these articles from several scientific publications:
A few dictionaries aknowlledged the s-spelling:
As seen in these sources (some from worldwide known newspapers), misspelling brazil with Brasil is bound to happen as Brasil and brazil sound just the same.
To the ones who are thinking that we are trying to change the English language, we'd like to say that this is not our goal as this is absurd. Once more, our objective in having replaced the z for an s was to make brazilian people think about how vandalized is our own culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.237.178 ( talk • contribs) 22:43 - 22:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
<---- Please note that this article is protected not due to your single edit, but due to a serie of vandalism edits. Please see the page history to understand what I mean.
You proved me that Brasil is indeed a typo for Brazil. Nevertheless, it's still original research. Spelling controversy is a conclusion you took when reading those articles. Reading WP:OR: All articles on Wikipedia should be based on information collected from published primary and secondary sources. This is not "original research"; it is "source-based research", and it is fundamental to writing an encyclopedia.. Thus, even if you are/were right, it's not something that had been published and submitted to discussion in the proper scientific society. Wikipedia is not a proper place for discussing new theories.
Therefore, all this stuff is only valid in the article Alternative political spelling. Please note that the typo "Brasil" is already there.
Anyway, our country is much bigger than a single damned letter. José San Martin 22:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
<---- They didn't keep, they never wrote Brazil. The letter Z has a different value Spanish language. In the European accent, s is pronouced as s, and z is pronouced like th in thin. It would be quite strange pronouce it like Brathil. Moreover, Spanish language preffers to write c instead of z, when the following vowel is e, i. Thus, they had to choose between Bracil (pron. Brathil) and Brasil and they obviously chose the latter. José San Martin 14:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
This article has a few references, but i'm afraid not enough to make an article of this scope count as "well-referenced". The CIA factbook alone probably doesn't cover most of this article, and even if it does, relying on a single broad references to cover most of the article isn't very reliable. Also, nobody seems to of even reviewed this article in the first place, so that looks suspicious as well. Improve the number of references, and then try to re-nominate this article for Good Article status. Homestarmy 14:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
However beautiful the southern Brazilian girls on this article, i think they give a very poor representation of the population of Brazil. There are only two pictures of Brazilian population: one of Olodum players and the other one of the girls. Besides the fact that even in the south such blonde people are not predominant, they're dressed with typical European costumes. Those people are immigrants that kept their culture, and are very small minority of the population. That is similar to choosing two pictures from the American population, one representing a Wasp, the other an Amish community. Furthermore, there is also a picture of a German style house. The influence of non-Portuguese Europe is surely present in Brazil, but is not that important. -- Ezadarque 22:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that everyone agree with the prestige that the German influence related pictures have in this article, so I think that we should also change the official language to German as well, as it looks as if we were colonized by Germans. What about pictures of Quilombos? Pictures of streets of favelas? Oh, right, they show a third-world country and therefore foreign people will not visit Brazil, and moreover, the people who would be related to these pictures are less Brazilian than those german ladies¿
Reading this article, one may also think, judging by posh office buildings shown, that Brazil is like Dubai. No contrast is being shown, right in the article of a country with perhaps the most serious social inequalty issues in the world.
The emphasis on the pictures of beaches also endorses the jargon of Brazil being a land solely of "Playas belas". Not that they are unnecessary - Brazil has plenty of playas belas - but we should add pictures of universities, Embraer workshops, Alcantara Space Launcher, or anything that could depict how advanced is Brazilian technology instead of filling it up with tropical scenarios.
Reality is harsh, you cannot deny it pretending that here it's all about parties, Olodum and beaches. People may think that I am making a fuss about nothing, but the pictures are what draw most of any user's atention while visiting an article - many reading only the sections with the most interesting illustrations.
But there is no need for worries. I shall not be replacing the current photos again. I also send my congratulations to user João Felipe C.S, for showing the world the real Brazil that I was unaware of. He is so right, that he added all these pictures without any discussion here first, and I guess that plenty of Brazilians agree with him having not protested at all. I give up then, but I am very happy though, because my country is so rich and I did not even know it!
Best regards,
From a Brazilian who seems to know pretty much nothing about his own country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.220.155 ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Tosh. This is the problem with Brazilians. Anything from the North and the Northeast is proudly exhibited as an icon of Brazil, no matter how non-representative, whereas people from Southern Brazil are never considered "Brazilian" enough. If THAT isn't racism, I don't know what is. What is the problem of including a few pictures from typical places in Southern Brazil? There's Olodum already (quite "African", uh?) and Indians. Now Blumenau is too much "European" for your taste? Well, I'm sorry, but it's in Brazil too. And many places in that forgotten corner of Southern Brazil are just like that, like it or not. Don't try to erase history and simply ignore the importance of Southern Brazil. 201.21.200.15 14:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not complaining about the German related pictures, and I do not think that they should be removed. I am against the prestige that they have in this article. There is more German culture depicted than African, and that is really unfair since there is more people and things related to Africa than to Germany in Brazil. Moreover, this article is not accurate as it does not show the poverty that exists in this country, which cannot be denied. Anyone who checks our country's streets with his own eyes will see how false is the idea of Brazil that this article conveys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.197.20 ( talk • contribs) 20:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Wow.. what a beautiful place.. ppl must see the real brazil not only glamourized rocinha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.32.19 ( talk • contribs) 11:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Brazil is indeed a country currently facing some very, very serious issues. It is, however, hypocritical to create a separate session for the country's social problems. There isn't a "social issues" session on Mexico's wikipage, for example. Nor in Argentina's one. But the most biased pages are those relating to the Anglosphere. You don't a read a single line about America's problems (and there are many, my friends, for nobody is perfect on this Earth), or Britain's controversies. -> A Brazilian.
S T O P the stigmatization of Brazil!!!!! I don't know why we are idiots enough to contribute with the Anglo-biased image of Brazil. Brazil: the country of coffee, favelas,carnival where people live in jungles???? Did you see the documentary produced by CNN about Brazil? It was the most biased, horrible and disgusting as its possible. That's why countries like South Africa, with 10% of the richness of Brazil appears so beautiful, while our country seems Somalia on television.
I heard that brazil decalred national bankruptcy long time ago after ww2. I don't know if there is any truth to that but it would be nice to know —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.138.142 ( talk • contribs) 19:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
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Why is the flag shown the old republican flag from the 19th century?
Makerowner 16:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Page DESTROYED
Some vandals are destroying the page.
I hope some administrator blocks this page as SOON as possible!!!!—Preceding
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There's a lot of vandalism
Brazil article is being attacked by vandals.
I think the article should keep closed to unregistered people. —Preceding
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Due to regionalism, the picture of South was removed. We shouldn't use this page thinking in a regional way. Brazil is much bigger than the south, and we should try to represent the country as a whole.
-- 208.24.179.29 18:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Where are the favelas, poverty and other common issues in Brazil? Are you trying to represent the Brazil you want or the real Brazil? I don't agree with this article! -- 201.27.181.198 10:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
You're probably a white rich/middle class Brazilian that doesn't know the poverty in which many Brazilians live, Brazil is one of the most unequal countries in the world, and you people only wanna show the "nice" part of your country. Supaman89
That, sir, was a very racist thing to say. I can't disagree, Brazil is indeed one of the most unequal countries in the world, especially the northeast region. But there is many incorrect data on this article. I suggest some scientific reading, instead of "guessing statements", suchs as the one regarding the amazon rainforest and erradication of species. There is a lot of misinformation about Brazil, and the main text certainly does not help. Any brazilian knows about the reality of his people. It's presumptuos to consider that you know best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodrigomello ( talk • contribs)
From the main page: "In order to avoid a civil war between Army and Navy, Pedro II renounced the throne on 15 November 1889". This is quite different from what Brazilian schoolbooks register, and there are no mentions here or in the "History of Brazil" page about a civil war threat or a voluntary abdication. Can anyone provide a source for this? 201.52.26.10 19:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
"Portuguese as spoken in Brazil has developed independently of the European mother tongue, and it has undergone fewer phonetic changes than the language spoken in Portugal". Ok, now this definitely needs a quote. ptknight 18:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
A couple of points: first of all, it has nothing to do with “spelling standard”, as we are basically talking about sound change, which, in the case of Portuguese since the 16th century, has only marginally been captured by spelling reforms. Now, the sentence may indeed need a reference (or even a slight touch-up), although I should remind you that this information is pretty much common ground among linguists, so it wouldn’t be a big deal if there were no quotes at all anyway. Unchallenged verities hardly need quotes. Giorgioz 19:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think Portuguese from Brazil and Portuguese from Portugal are more different than Spanish from Spain and Spanish from Mexico, or Spanish from Cuba and Spanish from Peru, and yet we don't care listening to music in a Colombian accent, so I don't know why you make such a big deal about it, and try to show the world that you speak your own language, you can understand each other don’t you? Then you speak the same language that simple. -- Supaman89
I do not think it is not necessary, or encyclopedic to say in the poverty section "Despite being a large country with extensive resources and a huge economy,". I think it is more than enough to say "Brazil currently has more than 22 million people living in state of extreme poverty" Chico 03:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
These IBGE numbers are biased, people in Brazil have a great tendency give answers closer to the white end of the spectrum, for example, black people tend to answer they are mulattos, and mulattos tend to say they are white. I am not saying every person will answer that way, but some do; and the questioner has to write as they say, even if a black person answer they're white. Anyone who knows Brazil knows these number are way of mark, and I think the article should reflect that, I am going to change it again and I hope it is not regarded as vandalism again. Chico 03:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it not the same way in the United States (to an extent)? Just the complete opposite? Even "if" the numbers were biased WP:NOR doesn't allow us to refute their census data. Shakam 03:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
All right I'm going to travel today so I don't have the time to look for the sources, but i know they exist and I'll post back as soon as I find them. Chico 05:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the race numbers are biased. Two issues arise: 1. Race doesn't exist scientifically, so it is culturally based anyway 2. Brazilians have one of the most interesting and complicated racial systems. It is somewht based on skin color, but also based on class and other things. So any attempt to place people in categories will be flawed. That being said, the IBGE numbers state that many more people are white than would be considered white in a country like the United States, which still mostly adheres to the one drop rule in my opinion. This means that anyone that is somewhat dark is excluded from being white (i.e. Obama is black). In Brazil from my experience anyone that is not completely black is mulatto, and anyone that is at least 1/4 European is white. But like any racial categories it is highly subjective. I think finding some other numbers would yield a more complete picture of Brazil's racial composition. OneWorld22 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there an article about the aviation crisis in Brazil? Thanks
More catholics than Italy. Fucking way to go Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Please rephrase your complaint so that we can understand it.
By a conservative estimate, there are 120 million Catholics in Brazil. The total population of Italy is less tha half of that. Did you flunk basic arithmetic, or what? Macgreco 01:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I sugest we ignore this coment, sounds like trolling Chico 04:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The original post was rude and unclear, but the replies didn't help a thing. It makes no sense to try to compare Brazil and Italy in absolute terms, beause one is much bigger, so the logic of the argument is flawed (I'm assuming you chose Italy as the seat of Catholicism, or the most Catholic country in the world, presumably). Its like arguing you can take more juice out of a late melon than a small orange; of course you can, it's that much bigger, but the orange is that much juicier. I think some one needs to re-sit some basic arithmatic exams! Cheers. Loge 02:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the international ranking table added before is relevant. The only ranking really relavent to the article was the HDI ranking and it was already present, if there were a consensus that this information was relavent, I think it would have been added to the country infobox by now, the way to try to add would be in the infobox, not on the article, in my opinion. Please lets discuss this instead of just reverting the edits.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Chicocvenancio ( talk • contribs) 01:05, 17 January 2007 Chico 17:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Bolsa Família is a part of the Fome Zero program, we should not cite them close to each other without citing the relationship between them. Chico 17:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
These links:
Were added by accounts whose only edits appear to have been to promote World Bank websites. One of the accounts is an IP address registered to the World Bank Group. (Note: doingbusiness.org is a World Bank project). In keeping with our conflict of interest and external links guidelines I've moved them here for consideration by regular editors of this article who are unaffiliated with the organization. Personally I think all five links is an over representation in the article.
Note this was also added by one of the same accounts and should be considered by regular editors too. -- Siobhan Hansa 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
The negative twist at the end of the following sentence does not appear to be supported by the referenced article.
"The government of Brazil is attempting a switch to free software and operating systems in place of proprietary software with little success so far."
Is there information available on adoption rates / real or percieved barriers / etc that can be referenced to support this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.48.104 ( talk) 17:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
I fixed the Religion subject with the official data (reference provided in portuguese from official bureau) and put some order and standardization on it. Alvaroludolf 19:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The IBGE has no data as on what kind of " spiritism" is practised, the census merely takes note of the denomination the "recensee" gives out, and in those numbers are certainly included other traditions other than the Kardequian.
As Wikipedia points out in spiritism:
The term was coined by Kardec as the specific name of the doctrine but -- given the fact that the word was created from roots taken from the common language -- it was soon incorporated into normal use and used for other doctrines as well, though the original Spiritists protest this usage.
Thus, it is inappropriate to point out in [Brazil#Religion] that 1.3% are followers of Spiritism, based on the Allan Kardec's doctrine (about 2.2 million). since there are an unknown number of other religious practices bundled within 'spiritism', about which IBGE's census has no data.
Someone fix that please.-- 200.163.203.53 17:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I mean, it is merely speculation, that a majority (an unknown proportion) of spiritist would practice the Kardequian doctrine. Seccondly, this information is attributed to the census, which is notoriously erroneous. The statement should be corrected to 1.3% are followers of Spiritism (about 2.2 million) lest the article should be in the fault of inserting notoriously erroneous information to the census data.-- 200.193.155.177 04:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
This information is not attributed to the census, it IS the information from the census, i put a link to it. I did not speculated anything because here we do not speculate, we transcribe, compile and organize data and knowledge and so i did from a reliable source of information. So you find a reliable source of information saying that the census is erroneous and that the correct data is something else and we change it, better than speculating on this subject. If not we should stick to the official data. PS: we should not use "official" data provided by the religious institutions because i am pretty sure that it will make the Brazilian population double in size. Alvaroludolf 11:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh damn, my mistake... i just saw your point, sorry. I used the old text and only included the data from census to it, but the data should remain the same. Alvaroludolf 11:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The official website of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church) states that over 930,000 members of that religion reside in Brazil. Within the next couple of years, that number is expected to rise to over 1 million members. This article states that only 200,000 Mormons live in Brazil. This is an inaccuracy and should be changed. I'm making the change for the second time.
I live in Brazil for much more years than you lived here (I was born here and never left) and I was amazed to know that there are almost 200,000 mormons (I am not sure that it is corect to call them this way but since you used this term I will assume that it is ok). Personally I doubt that there were more than a few thousands. See, I never met a single mormon in my entire life. I asked on my colegues here and neither of them have ever met a mormo too. My wife never met a mormon, nobody that I know, know of someone that have ever met a mormon. On the other hand I have at least 3 friends that are Jews, and they are less than 100,000 in Brazil. I could put on the article that i think that there are about 5,000 mormons in Brazil, but I can't because we are not expressing our view here. We must rely on verifiable and reliable sources only and there are no more reliable source than an official census. You might think otherwise, I might think otherwise and it is ok if you want to discuss it here, but the article will not be published under personal points of view.
Beside that i am pretty sure that if we use the information from each church "official" data the brazilian population will pass the half billion people mark. Alvaroludolf 12:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
@Alvoroludolf: I served as a missionary in Brazil. I would bet that you have met at least one member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know that in the city (and stake of the church by the same name) of São Carlos, SP there are about 5,000 members of the church. As to the statement on church membership and national population, a person can belong to more than one church. For instance, one may have been baptized as a Catholic shortly after being born, and then later join another church or several churches. Thus one person could be included as Catholic, Latter-day Saint, and Methodist, if he was ever considered a member of those churches without requesting his name be removed from their records. Scc4fun 18:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
And once again someone changed the data on LDS giving as the source... the church itself. That is a reliable source, right? I mean, if the catholic church claimed 6 billion people as its followers, we would believe it, wouldn't we? Macgreco 04:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, can we lock this topic again? We had more than 5 acts of vandalism just today. I don't think it is safe to say that the vandalism is gone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alvaroludolf ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC).
It is really soon here in Brazil and I log in too see that we already have about 5 acts of vandalism here. Those acts of vandalism is not going anywhere aparently. Is there any reason for not locking this article for a long time. Alvaroludolf 13:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Someone will adds reference about Xylella fastidiosa Genome Project and [3] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ricardo Carneiro Pires ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
The information about Brazil should come from neutral sources. The US Department of State is a political entity and it brings tendentious information about Latin American countries and should not be considered as a source of information for Brazil's article. The written report that talks about human traffic has political purposes, and it used an isolated case to justify sanctions against the steel industry of Brazil (a threat for the American Industry), contested by the Brazilian Foreign Relations Ministry. Moreover, each nation should be the responsible for its own description.
With all due respect for brazilians, I ask to unprotect that article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.7.46.243 ( talk • contribs)
Can we stop this edit war? People wouldn't like to see Human trafic on the article for some reason? So lets see some aguments why it is better with or without it. Lets see some arguments or this will never end. Alvaroludolf 14:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If no one answers this topic I will remove the comments... especially after I noticed that Brazil is not cited in the Trafficking in human beings article, and Russia(who is cited) does not cite it in the article(a Good Article by the way) Chico 01:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC) I have removed the section, lets please reach a consensus before changing it Chico 17:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The second paragraph would be more accurate with the expressions Melting Pot or Cultural and Racial Pluralism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.1.70.171 ( talk • contribs) 03:57, 3 March 2007
The capital of Brazil is not Sao Paulo, as the article states. It is Brasililia.
"According to the Brazilian constitution of 1988, racism is an unbailable crime and must be met with imprisonment."
This should be expanded upon if it bears any relation to the truth. The term "racism", as I understand it, refers to beliefs rather than actions, and you cannot criminalise beliefs unless you have the technology to read people's minds.
Let's suppose that I believe white people are inferior to black (or vice versa), therefore I am a racist. At what point do I commit an imprisonable crime? Is it at the moment I start thinking about it (obviously impossible)? Is it at the moment I start telling people about it, or writing books about it? Or is it at the moment that I start acting on those beliefs and begin physically attacking people of a different race? 217.155.20.163 00:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Robertomalancini 05:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Roberto
I feel very sorry if you know so little of the technological production on Brazil. Look for the advancement in ethanol, oceanic oil extraction, agro technology, small airplanes production, uranium refinement, biotechnology, AI research, space program, etc. If you want to look only to the bad side of Brazil, look for poverty, lack of public health and education and specially government corruption but saying that we are not an advanced country is a lack of view. Sure we can't be compared with Japan or US but even against those countries we have an advanced in certain fields of expertise (specially on fuel technology and agro technology). You also seems to know very little about software industry. Brazil have a software industry compared to India and China but with one exception, we consume much of the software that we produce. One other small difference, while India focus in low tech software, Brazil have a software research in the fields of AI and Biotechnology. Alvaroludolf 15:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Dear Dr. Ludendorff, I didn’t saw your friend providing any proof either but ok, lets see if i can help you on this. First you need to improve the usage of your general reading. "Brazil have a software industry compared to India and China" doesn’t mean "much better", means similar. Now... to your proof. I will assume that your Portuguese is better than my English.
http://www.bndes.gov.br/conhecimento/seminario/EugenioStaub.pdf - Look for a subject called "A Indústria de Software no Brasil, China e Índia (2001)", they have some nice chart with numbers that I assume you will be able to understand.
I would love to search for other sources but this one will give you the data that you... require, feel free to browse for more on internet, I am pretty sure that you will improve the view you have from Brazil.
I also think that it is unfair to compare Brazilian publications with Japan or US, since they are completely different countries (read “developed countries”) but is this really so bad?
http://www.iea.usp.br/iea/observatorios/educacao/superior/pesquisaposgraduacao/sabarretofutorodapos.pdf - Look for "Produtividade e Comparação com Outros Países". One more time, charts. Not that hard to read.
Ok, we have much bigger population but remember that i said that education in Brazil was a problem? And still we have a good intellectual publications compared with India and China if you take the size population in account.
See, the picture is not that dark on those fields for Brazil. I hope to bring some light to your MSc and DSc of yours. I also think that you should avoid trying to disqualify someone opinion with his proficiency on English language or because you have a bigger resume than him (and by the way, you don’t have, but i am not looking for a job here so who cares about my education level here?). This is specially unpleasant coming from someone with so many degrees.
Alvaroludolf 13:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not know who is Roberto Ludendorff. But his number of publications criterium is a good indicator in science, as is the number of citations. In any case, we do not have native electronic industry and we do not make electronic chips. Most of our thesis are in the library and not in industrial labs. There is some initiative by FAPESP to change this picture, but there is still much work to be done. Thanks to Collor and FHC and wrong policies such as "Reserva de informatica", our native electronic industry is gone ("perdemos o bonde da historia"). With respect to your report, it clearly shows a dependence on international technology in electronics and, to be honest with you, we have progress in software but we are not a major exporter of software (where competition is fierce). I can claim that I have a time machine at home but it is for private use. Moreover, remember that I have never said that we do not make anything in terms of software, I have only stated that we are not a major player yet, ALTHOUGH we have an enormous POTENTIAL. RobertomalanciniRobertoMalancini
It is not because we have the same name that we should be friends. In the article, it is written that "Brazilian information technology is considered one of the most advanced in the world". So why don't we compete internationally? That is my only point. Many other countries have internet banking system, access to government facilities by internet, etc. And so what? I am not saying that we do not make software, I am only saying that besides our big potential in software technology, it is ARGUABLE to claim that we have one of the most advanced information technology in the world. Besides that, anyone who has studied information technology, knows that this term is not applied only to software development. Roberto ludendorffLudendorff
I never deffended that our software industry was among the most advanced, just that we have numbers comparable to China and India, that aren't the most advanced countries either, but are concidered "major players" in the global software market. I never said that we are comparable to US or Japan, did I? The only reason why we don't have export numbers like India is because we actually have an internal market to consume the software produced here. Anyway, you are a registered user, feel free to go there and change whatever you want since you are an specialist in Software Industry. Alvaroludolf 12:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
==== No further comments, only an additional phrase The text looks much better now. No further comments. With respect to the Space Agency, the phrase is lost in the text. I suggest the following replacement:
After a succesful enterpreneurship in the manufacturing of small and medium airplanes, Brazil is looking for developing space technology. This effort is coordinated by the Brazilian Space Agency. We have already fabricated satellites and sent an astronaut to visit the international space station with a Russian spacecraft. However, we still need to make a working space launcher, our initial launchs were unsuccesful (due to lack of funds and a certain embargo of parts from developed countries who consider this technology sensitive). Our satellites are helping the country to monitor the Amazon region, for example. Ludendorff
==== Ludendorff and Ludolf
I will change a little bit your suggested addition:
After a succesful enterpreneurship in the manufacturing of small and medium airplanes, Brazil is looking for developing space technology. This effort is being coordinated by the Brazilian Space Agency (Agencia Espacial Brasileira). We have already fabricated satellites and an astronaut has recently visited the international space station (traveling in a Russian spacecraft). However, we still need to make a working space launcher, our initial tests were unsuccesful (due to lack of funds and a certain embargo of parts from developed countries who consider this technology sensitive). Our satellites are helping, for example, to monitor the Amazon region.
Our agricultural throughput is being improved by the application of bio-technology. Recently, a project called Xylella fastidiosa Genome Project has decoded the genetic code of a plague that affects orange trees. We have also developed a medicine to control hypertension based upon rattlesnake's poison. Our flora and fauna provides a unique environment to discover new medicines.
Robertomalancini Roberto Malancini
No problem on this, just remeber to use a neutral voice when writing in articles, so instead of writing "Our agricultural..." rephrase as "Brazilian's agricultural...", and things like this. Alvaroludolf 12:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
We do not make computers! US and Japan do make CPUS, electronic chips, etc. We do not, although a few small companies assemble computers. In science and technology, we are strong in agriculture and biology (Thanks to Embrapa, Butantan Institute, etc), manufacturing of small/medium airplanes (Embraer), Mathematics (IMPA). All the rest can be described as pure ufanism and wish to be thoughts. RobertomalanciniRoberto
201.82.45.151 02:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Correction suggestion: In the following phrase: "In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, Brazil attracted over 5 million European, Arab and Japanese immigrants. During this time Brazil became industrialized, further colonized, and its interior further explored and developed." - instead of saying that Brazil was "further colonized", I believe it'd be better if it could be changed to something like "occupied". "Colonized" is more related with political appropriation..
Economy section:
1.Include the fact that the CIA World facts and the UN states that Brazil is highly indebted. This will show a more true picture of the country
2. It can be added that our reserves have reached 100 billion dollars
3. Remove the phrase that we are major producers of electrical products.
Science and Technology.
1. Add that the Brazilian software is mostly used for internal usage. Instead of claiming that we possess one of the most advanced information technology in the world (VERY ARROGANT), say that we have an advanced software technology with great potential to be a major player in this area in the future.
2. Cite IMPA, Embrapa, Butantan centre, etc. as centres of excellence in research.
3. Brazilian academic science and technology has not yet been fully applied to industry, a problem that the country needs to overcome in the future. We are a mid-income country in search of development.
4. You may argue that we have an advanced software technology, we are major players in agriculture and mining and we manufacture small/medium airplanes.
Is it so annoying to tell the truth? Is this an article for touristic purposes? RobertomalanciniRoberto
Will you include the american debt too? *sigh* But yeah... go ahead and change, I see an improvement here. Alvaroludolf 12:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
5. Eliminate multiple cross-references. It seems the cities and other entries are referred to more than once, all over the article, with the double brackets. References should be made only on the first time a word appears on the text, and not every single time it does. Moreover, I believe we should mention Easter as a national holiday, along with the Good Friday - although it is always on a Sunday, it may not be so obvious for people looking for reliable information on the country.
I believe we should mention the many scandals that plague the Brazilian Congress in the politics section. In Brazil, they are so frequent they are almost folkloric. Of course there’s no need to go into much detail in this general article, but maybe a short paragraph mentioning some of the main incidents (impeachment, “dwarves”, Mensalão, etc) with links to more specific articles? I believe that would give readers a better idea of the Brazilian reality. Currently the politics section is too limited. It only presents formal rules from the Brazilian Constitution.
Sparks1979 15:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering what other users think about the creation and inclusion of sections on “Health”, “Education” and the “Military”? Seems like pretty basic stuff to me, therefore I favor its insertion in the article. Also, in case we decide to include these topics, how should the sections be organized?
Sparks1979 15:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I would second the addition of those sections as they are an important part of any culture. Scc4fun 18:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
There's a teenager user, nicked João Felipe C.S , who has been changing the pictures of all Brazil's articles, in all languages, in Wikipedia's project. The fact is that this user is racist and is always trying to sell the idea of a fake European Brazil.
One exemple: he posted a picture of an unknown woman of Germanic name in the Brazil's article ( Ellen Gracie Northfleet, who is this woman?). The thing is that I am Brazilian and I have never seen anything about that woman in my life. And I know most Brazilians do not know who she is. So, why did João Felipe C.S post a picture of her in Brazil's article? Because she is White and blond.
Why did he erase the picture of the Brazilian Indians and posted pictures of Southern Brazilians cities settled by Germans? Because he is racist. He has been doing this White-wash in Brazilian articles of many languages. He has no permition for doing that! Somebody should stop him! Brazil is Multiracial country, not a fake European copy. Everybody knows that. By the way, somebody should teach João Felipe C.S that, in Brazil, racism is a crime, and he can be on prision soon. Thank you all, and let's not let him sell his racist ideas. Opinoso 00:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
If the user is a teenager or not, that doesn't matter in first place, and it looks like you are being the only racist, judging by your phrase "Why (...) he posted pictures of southern brazilians cities(...)? Because he is a racist" does not make any sense at all. Wikipedia is not a place to carry personal attacks. If you have a problem with the user, please go fight with him out of here.
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Alberto msr 00:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if he is a real racist or not but I believe the article doesn't have to present only one side view on the issue. Indians and mulatos are also part of Brazil and they must have a place in this article. BrazucaSP 14:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
For some reason, I am unable to edit this page. From the discussions of vandalism and the fact that I am a newly registered user, I can imagine that this page might be protected to prevent me from editing it, but if so, shouldn't there be some sort of notice at the top of the page?
Something needs to be done about the huge amounts of white space in the article (at least when viewed with IE), it just looks horrible right now...
- CMoosey
Searching for the word 'violence' on the article, there are no ocurrences of it. On the tiny section about social problems, violence is also not cited. Why there is nothing about violence on the article of the 3rd most violent country in the world? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.72.61.133 ( talk) 00:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
What products does it produce? im making a report? The evil O,malley 19:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
RobertomalanciniRoberto
I tried checking out books, trust me no product talk. PS Does this country sell anything special?? The evil O,malley
A good article, cited, good prose and satisfies all WP:WIAGA. Congratulations. However, there are several suggestions on how to improve this article:
Good work and congratulaions to all who contributed. Limongi 14:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This item has been listed for review. Feel free to comment. - 凶 14:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has way too many images.-- Ezadarque 11:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for removing my "expansion" of the Science and Technology section. I will repeat again that Brazil is not a major producer of electrical equipment. Our main exports are commodities! Go overseas and try to find Brazilian IPODs and computers. I give up, anyway, and DO NOT CONSIDER THIS ARTICLE TO BE GOOD! Another reality hidden in this article: the majority of the population in Brazil consists of blacks and mullatos. [Roberto]
The question that I raise is about the definition of manufactured product. If you assemble something in a country with sombeody else's technology is a definition of manufacturing, then I completely agree with you. Most of Brazilian automobiles are fabricated by international companies (Volkswagen, Volvo, Mercedes, Ford, GM, etc.) in Brazil. The same applies to many other products. Now, coming back to electronics: do we make CPUs, memories, etc. in Brazil or do we just assemble the parts? What about our mobile phones, isn't it the same? Embraer really does a nice job, although it imports all avionics and engines (but the structure of the airplane is quite complicated as well and Embraer deserves the merit of doing it). Please be careful with the terms and add some clarification, otherwise people will reckon that Nokia is a Brazilian company. I should remember that information technology can be described as: 1. Computer hardware 2. Computer software 3. Computer networks and management 4. Coding and transmission of information. If you only make software, it is misleading to claim that you make computers. My point is, clarify your definition of manufacturing and clarify your definition of information technology and computers. Please read the special report about Brazil at the Economist! This can considerably improve the text herein. Roberto
If you would like to find a truly description of Brazil, please read the "special report on Brazil" in the Economist. I congratulate this magazine for this special report, it has accurately depicted the country. The economic section in this report is 100 times better than the one that you will find here! You will find the true Brazil there, not a touristic description like this one. [Roberto]
The article Brazil was removed from the Good Article List due to a major problem of Conflict of Interests, because the user who reviewed the article, Limongi, is a member of the Wikiproject Brazil. Also, the article doesn't meet the needed requirements to qualify as a good article. Please visit the following link to see the comments and suggestions left by other editors to improve this article: Wikipedia:Good_article_review. Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 03:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
By all rights, I should just quickfail the article per WP:POINT: The article was renominated at WP:GAC within hours after the delisting occured. The delisting was done by consensus decision, the results of which can be found at this archived discussion. However, since you wanted a second opinion, here it is. These are the reasons that it does NOT meet the good article requirements found at WP:WIAGA:
That's it. If you seriously want this article to be a GA or Featured Status, you should consider spending your energy on making these fixes, and stop trying to make a point by continuously renominating it as-is. Good day and happy editing. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 02:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=199&gclid=COOVgPaLiowCFRtxYAodOTlV7Q While as much as 74% of the population of Brazil may be nominally Roman Catholic, the trend since 1950, has been toward protestantism in Brazil, as in all Latin American Countries. 12.72.205.220 00:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
74% are Roman Catholics (about 139 million)....58% of Catholics considered themselves "not very practicing" or "not at all practicing".[31] So the number of practicing Roman Catholics in Brazil is 42% of 74%!!!!! This second sentence belongs immediately after the first sentence, not at the very end. It changes the entire context of the claim made in the first sentence.
Also Brazil has a large, and growing, Anglican Church, with bishops, dioceses, cathedrals and seminaries that is not even mentioned! 12.72.206.167 03:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
If religion were the only problem in Brazil! Luckilly we are a lay state, I wished we were a more rational and educated people. Freedom of religion is a must, including the possibility of having none. [Roberto]
No substantive fixes have been done to this article to make it comply with the good article criteria located at WP:WIAGA. A long list of fixes have been listed above, and no action has been taken on them. PLEASE stop renominating it at WP:GAC until the fixes have been made. It is a waste of time and resources to continue to do so. If this article continues to be renominated, mediation will be sought per WP:POINT. Please stop now. -- Jayron32| talk| contribs 17:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Official Brazilian Anglican website http://www.anglicancommunion.org/tour/province.cfm?ID=B1
Official Brazilian Presbyterian website http://www.apib.org/history.htm
Official Mormons in Latin America website http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d10511154963d010VgnVCM1 000004e94610aRCRD Argentina 348,396 Belize 3,079 Bolivia 148,630 Brazil 928,926 Chile 539,193 Colombia 149,973 Costa Rica 34,036 Ecuador 170,736 El Salvador 93,246 Guatemala 200,537 Guyana 1,845 Honduras 116,416 Mexico 1,043,718 Nicaragua 52,184 Panama 40,897 Paraguay 61,308 Peru 416,060 Uruguay 96,943 Venezuela 134,597 TOTAL 4,580,720 (36% of Total LDS Church Membership) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.72.208.136 ( talk) 01:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC).