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This news report suggests that our phrase "similar to a Grand Jury hearing in civilian court," was inaccurate. Our article on Article 32 hearings seems to get it right: it's similar to a preliminary hearing, not similar to a grand jury. But I am not confident in this area, so rather than possibly make things worse, I've just removed the claim for now. Hopefully someone who knows about the military system can improve it further from this point.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 17:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Those knowledgeable about Sgt. Bergdahl may be interested in this or this. Sca ( talk) 12:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
The opening line of the article states that "Robert Bowdrie "Bowe" Bergdahl (born March 28, 1986) is a United States Army traitor". I'm not here to defend him, but as he is currently awaiting court martial, and to the best of my understanding, the charges against him don't include treason, is it NPOV/accurate to describe him as a "traitor"? I'm not going to change it without other input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BaikinMan ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Season two of the Serial Podcast is about Bowe Bergdahl. The first episode was released today. Shouldn't this be a major heading for the article?
03:29, 11 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.254.138.123 ( talk)
Is there any way to know whether SGT Bergdahl has been awarded this? Deltopia ( talk) 19:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
the Army has reserved judgment in awarding it to him. I don't usually put much weight in websites like this one, which claims he has been awarded the medal, but the website is privately maintained and although it claims, "All recipients in the database are verified by source material such as official award citations, narratives and/or synopses from individuals or records from the National Archives," I don't see it pointing to any such sources here. So it looks like it has not been verifiably awarded to him. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Bergdahl is no longer a United States Army soldier. He was a United States Army soldier. Perhaps someone with the necessary privileges and a concern for topical accuracy will make the necessary editorial revison. 2A02:C7F:A025:2500:398A:1563:F7A0:3BCD ( talk) 09:56, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
When Bergdahl was exchanged many publications reported 6 GIs died searching for him.
Shortly after, some RS, including Reuters and the NYTimes, debunked those reports.
Nevertheless some partisan publications continued to report the search for him was responsible for the deaths of other GIs.
In 2016 the Serial podcast reported on the official inquiries into those six men's deaths. The official inquiries confirmed Reuters earlier reporting -- all six men died when engaged on missions that had nothing to do with searching for Bergdahl.
Even so, some partisan publications continued to report the search for him was responsible for the deaths of other GIs.
I updated the article with the new information, removing some out of date info. Geo Swan ( talk) 16:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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It's 2018. What's the status of Bergdahl's sentencing now? And is he in custody? Sca ( talk) 21:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
This man was mentally ill and released from Coast Guard duty after 26 days. He was totally unfit for military service. The US Army gave him a waver for his mental illness and accepted him into the Army. While in the Army overseas his mental illness caused him to leave his post. HE actually was absent only one day. He was captured by the enemy and not allowed to return to his base. His trial was a farce to punish a mentally ill man who the Army wavered to let join. The Army is the one who is completely at fault here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.17.223.192 ( talk) 03:56, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
He was sentenced to be dishonorably discharged in Nov 2017 but is still on active duty until the sentence is verified or appealed. He will be released on the date of that final judgment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.95.117 ( talk) 05:24, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
On aug 28,2020 the court of appeals verified the final judgment. His case has been appealed to the supreme court and as such he is still on active duty as of January 2021. Up until the supreme court accepts or declines the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.95.117 ( talk) 05:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
He is still on active duty waiting appeal. Who is the idiot who keeps saying he is out of the army as of 2020. As long as he has active appeals going on he is in the Army. Call his base in Texas and ask to speak to him he is still there in Texas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.74.63 ( talk)
Anyone know what happened to Bowe after leaving the military. I think that would make a good follow-up paragraph at the end of the article. Blockhouse321 ( talk) 12:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Richard-of-Earth: Bergdahl's appeal to USCAAF to try and get the trial's outcome overturned was decided by USCAAF on August 27, 2020. The cited source in the body of this article says that USCAAF affirmed the 2017 decision from the trial court (recall the trial court's order sentenced Bergdahl to be discharged). That discharge took effect on August 27, 2020 as there was no further staying of the trial court's order; USCAAF clearly affirmed the decision of the trial court as well as the lower appellate court. Bergdahl has since (2021) gone to a U.S. District Court seeking federal review of his criminal case to try to have his conviction and sentence expunged (he may or may not be successful), but the U.S. District Court did not in any way stay the USCAAF's August 27, 2020 decision which took effect immediately on August 27, 2020. Regards, AzureCitizen ( talk) 16:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
“All this, along with the unprecedented actions of the nation’s highest elected official [Trump], and the passage of over two years since the plaintiff became a civilian, six years since his trial, nine years since the wheels of military justice began to turn, and over 14 years since the charged offenses, furnish a compelling basis for dismissing the charges with prejudice,” Bergdahl’s attorneys wrote."(bold added by me). So, if this is true some time in 2021, Bergdahl was discharged very quietly. This is Judge Walton's opinion that summarizes the court's decision in July 2023 to vacate the charges against Bergdahl. It seems to make no mention of Bergdahl being actually discharged. We have been operating on the assumption that while the various appeals were being made that Bergdahl's discharge would be on hold, but apparently he was discharged. This motion from 4 October 2021 on page 60 mentions
On June 30, 2009, in Paktika Province, Afghanistan, Appellant, who was then a soldier in the United States Army, intentionally walked away without authority from his combat observation post which it was his duty to defend.This corroborates that Bergdahl was no longer a soldier at that time and had not been for a year at the time this discussion was started. AzureCitizen was right and I was wrong and I apologize. Unless anyone objects we should change the article to reflect his civilian status. Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 21:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
his attorneys wrote in a Sept. 22 court filingit is referring to 22 September 2023. The docket has no filings in September 2022, but does have one on 22 September 2023. The complaint filed 17 February 2021 states specifically
3. Plaintiff is a soldier in the U.S. Army.So Bergdahl was discharged some time from then until October 2021. I corrected the article and added prose with this conclusion and a comment explaining it. Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 04:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
The time it takes to get discharged from the military depends on the command. A general discharge can take as little as 30 days but could take up to six months. Separation from the military can take longer than six months.and a link to this article to support it. Apparently, that is not unusual. I imagine television and movies make it seem like it happens overnight, Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 17:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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This news report suggests that our phrase "similar to a Grand Jury hearing in civilian court," was inaccurate. Our article on Article 32 hearings seems to get it right: it's similar to a preliminary hearing, not similar to a grand jury. But I am not confident in this area, so rather than possibly make things worse, I've just removed the claim for now. Hopefully someone who knows about the military system can improve it further from this point.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 17:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Those knowledgeable about Sgt. Bergdahl may be interested in this or this. Sca ( talk) 12:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
The opening line of the article states that "Robert Bowdrie "Bowe" Bergdahl (born March 28, 1986) is a United States Army traitor". I'm not here to defend him, but as he is currently awaiting court martial, and to the best of my understanding, the charges against him don't include treason, is it NPOV/accurate to describe him as a "traitor"? I'm not going to change it without other input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BaikinMan ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Season two of the Serial Podcast is about Bowe Bergdahl. The first episode was released today. Shouldn't this be a major heading for the article?
03:29, 11 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.254.138.123 ( talk)
Is there any way to know whether SGT Bergdahl has been awarded this? Deltopia ( talk) 19:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
the Army has reserved judgment in awarding it to him. I don't usually put much weight in websites like this one, which claims he has been awarded the medal, but the website is privately maintained and although it claims, "All recipients in the database are verified by source material such as official award citations, narratives and/or synopses from individuals or records from the National Archives," I don't see it pointing to any such sources here. So it looks like it has not been verifiably awarded to him. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Bergdahl is no longer a United States Army soldier. He was a United States Army soldier. Perhaps someone with the necessary privileges and a concern for topical accuracy will make the necessary editorial revison. 2A02:C7F:A025:2500:398A:1563:F7A0:3BCD ( talk) 09:56, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
When Bergdahl was exchanged many publications reported 6 GIs died searching for him.
Shortly after, some RS, including Reuters and the NYTimes, debunked those reports.
Nevertheless some partisan publications continued to report the search for him was responsible for the deaths of other GIs.
In 2016 the Serial podcast reported on the official inquiries into those six men's deaths. The official inquiries confirmed Reuters earlier reporting -- all six men died when engaged on missions that had nothing to do with searching for Bergdahl.
Even so, some partisan publications continued to report the search for him was responsible for the deaths of other GIs.
I updated the article with the new information, removing some out of date info. Geo Swan ( talk) 16:57, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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It's 2018. What's the status of Bergdahl's sentencing now? And is he in custody? Sca ( talk) 21:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
This man was mentally ill and released from Coast Guard duty after 26 days. He was totally unfit for military service. The US Army gave him a waver for his mental illness and accepted him into the Army. While in the Army overseas his mental illness caused him to leave his post. HE actually was absent only one day. He was captured by the enemy and not allowed to return to his base. His trial was a farce to punish a mentally ill man who the Army wavered to let join. The Army is the one who is completely at fault here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.17.223.192 ( talk) 03:56, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
He was sentenced to be dishonorably discharged in Nov 2017 but is still on active duty until the sentence is verified or appealed. He will be released on the date of that final judgment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.95.117 ( talk) 05:24, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
On aug 28,2020 the court of appeals verified the final judgment. His case has been appealed to the supreme court and as such he is still on active duty as of January 2021. Up until the supreme court accepts or declines the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.95.117 ( talk) 05:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
He is still on active duty waiting appeal. Who is the idiot who keeps saying he is out of the army as of 2020. As long as he has active appeals going on he is in the Army. Call his base in Texas and ask to speak to him he is still there in Texas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.74.63 ( talk)
Anyone know what happened to Bowe after leaving the military. I think that would make a good follow-up paragraph at the end of the article. Blockhouse321 ( talk) 12:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Richard-of-Earth: Bergdahl's appeal to USCAAF to try and get the trial's outcome overturned was decided by USCAAF on August 27, 2020. The cited source in the body of this article says that USCAAF affirmed the 2017 decision from the trial court (recall the trial court's order sentenced Bergdahl to be discharged). That discharge took effect on August 27, 2020 as there was no further staying of the trial court's order; USCAAF clearly affirmed the decision of the trial court as well as the lower appellate court. Bergdahl has since (2021) gone to a U.S. District Court seeking federal review of his criminal case to try to have his conviction and sentence expunged (he may or may not be successful), but the U.S. District Court did not in any way stay the USCAAF's August 27, 2020 decision which took effect immediately on August 27, 2020. Regards, AzureCitizen ( talk) 16:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
“All this, along with the unprecedented actions of the nation’s highest elected official [Trump], and the passage of over two years since the plaintiff became a civilian, six years since his trial, nine years since the wheels of military justice began to turn, and over 14 years since the charged offenses, furnish a compelling basis for dismissing the charges with prejudice,” Bergdahl’s attorneys wrote."(bold added by me). So, if this is true some time in 2021, Bergdahl was discharged very quietly. This is Judge Walton's opinion that summarizes the court's decision in July 2023 to vacate the charges against Bergdahl. It seems to make no mention of Bergdahl being actually discharged. We have been operating on the assumption that while the various appeals were being made that Bergdahl's discharge would be on hold, but apparently he was discharged. This motion from 4 October 2021 on page 60 mentions
On June 30, 2009, in Paktika Province, Afghanistan, Appellant, who was then a soldier in the United States Army, intentionally walked away without authority from his combat observation post which it was his duty to defend.This corroborates that Bergdahl was no longer a soldier at that time and had not been for a year at the time this discussion was started. AzureCitizen was right and I was wrong and I apologize. Unless anyone objects we should change the article to reflect his civilian status. Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 21:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
his attorneys wrote in a Sept. 22 court filingit is referring to 22 September 2023. The docket has no filings in September 2022, but does have one on 22 September 2023. The complaint filed 17 February 2021 states specifically
3. Plaintiff is a soldier in the U.S. Army.So Bergdahl was discharged some time from then until October 2021. I corrected the article and added prose with this conclusion and a comment explaining it. Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 04:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
The time it takes to get discharged from the military depends on the command. A general discharge can take as little as 30 days but could take up to six months. Separation from the military can take longer than six months.and a link to this article to support it. Apparently, that is not unusual. I imagine television and movies make it seem like it happens overnight, Richard-of-Earth ( talk) 17:19, 16 January 2024 (UTC)