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LSD overdose? While it is possible that the deceased may have been given LSD ancillary to something else, physical overdose of LSD leading to death is unknown in the medical literature. Whig 03:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Catherine Dalton (daughter of Robert Graves and widow of nuclear scientist Clifford Dalton) alleged that Bogle was murdered to stop him investigating Dalton's 1961 death. I'm not sure whether this is worthy of mention here; I have some acquaintance with the family and first heard of the claim that way, but I don't know how widely her claims were aired. -- Calair 06:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
This is the name of a CSIRO research station but the web does not make its location clear.
I have created a separate entry for Bogle. It is the bare bones, without a date of birth at this stage. It may be debatable whether this is better turned into a simple redirect page to the Boger-Chandler case. Either way, searching just for Gilbert Bogle ought to provide a clearer link to the mystery. Grimhim 01:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I have removed " apart from that of a prisoner in Brixton, London, in the 1980s. " after "Against this, LSD is considered to be a drug on which it is next to impossible to overdose, with no other associated fatalities." because it is highly unlikely and noreference is given. Cacycle 18:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
How about getting some sources for the rest of the article? I'm not sure where to start. It seems well-written and interesting, but not backed up at all 71.63.119.49 22:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Like most others who had encountered the drug LSD in their youth I immediatly discounted the theory advanced that the cause of death was related to an "LSD overdose".
Several years ago I read an article written upon the death of the policeman who initially advanced this theory. I found his hypothethis had been misreported in the media.
During the intial investigation the police had considered the possibility that the victims had obtained a one ounce bottle containing many hundreds of thousands of doses of LSD. At this time it was possible, provided appropriate approval was given, to order from, and obtain, these bottles of pure bulk LSD direct from Sandoz pharmaceutical Swiss warehouse; cost about $100. I have since found the approval required was rather basic, a request for the drug written on any standard University letterhead paper would do.
LSD was being used in the social scene the victims belonged to, at this time the drug was not illegal, either in the USA or Australia. Many University types were trying it.
It is certainly possible these people had encountered bulk pure LSD; there are records of other LSD overdoses (resulting from these one ounce bottles), where individuals inadvertantly ingested the pure form of the drug. Vomiting, diarreah, and possibly death were recorded as symptoms of such overdose. âPreceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.37.182 ( talk) 21:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Project MK Ultra involved the bulk use of pure LSD 118.93.37.182 ( talk) 21:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The clause "... an explosion of gas from the polluted river bed may have occurred ... " might lead one to believe that there was, you know, an "explosion", like a detonation. Perhaps something like "... a burst of gas ..." might be a bit better? Old_Wombat ( talk) 04:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Even a little bit of hydrogen sulphide stinks. Like, roolly, roolly bad. How bad would it be in a toxic dose? Is this the sort of environment that you would want to have sex in? Old_Wombat ( talk) 04:43, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
OK, Wayne, thanx for that. But I am still struggling with the logistics. With H2S being a gas, it would be diffuse ("no brick wall"), so they can't go from 0 ppm to a high ppm without experiencing everything in between.
I am trying to put myself into their shoes. He takes the girl to the river. They go through the low concentration part, it smells bad. But that quickly disappears as they enter the medium concentration, upon which it becomes cloyingly sweet. Then no smell at all, due to olfactory paralysis. Finally, a suddent eruption at a fatal level, but by now they smell nothing, so they don't know that. And it kills them.
So in the excitement and anticipation of incipient sex, they hardly notice the bad smell, which after all, only lasted a short time. Is that how we think it happened? â Preceding unsigned comment added by Old wombat ( talk ⢠contribs) 12:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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"The Coroner stood down a key female witness before she could give evidence, to protect the families." This sentence is in the Background section. It is unclear to me on these points:
1: How does it fit in with the rest of the paragraph?
2: To which families does this refer to? The families of the victims?
3: How did this protect the families?
4: What does "stood down" mean? The phrase has multiple meanings, and I am not sure which one is applicable here. IDWChen ( talk) 03:16, 1 February 2019 (UTC)IDWChen
I'm alerted by this recent edit to the fact that there is no justification for categorising the Bogle-Chandler case as a murder, even though that questionable assumption stood in the mind of police for many years. The most plausible theory advanced to date is that the deaths were accidental and caused by an emergence of H2S. I propose that we now remove all the 'murder' and 'crimes' categories. Bjenks ( talk) 05:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
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LSD overdose? While it is possible that the deceased may have been given LSD ancillary to something else, physical overdose of LSD leading to death is unknown in the medical literature. Whig 03:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Catherine Dalton (daughter of Robert Graves and widow of nuclear scientist Clifford Dalton) alleged that Bogle was murdered to stop him investigating Dalton's 1961 death. I'm not sure whether this is worthy of mention here; I have some acquaintance with the family and first heard of the claim that way, but I don't know how widely her claims were aired. -- Calair 06:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
This is the name of a CSIRO research station but the web does not make its location clear.
I have created a separate entry for Bogle. It is the bare bones, without a date of birth at this stage. It may be debatable whether this is better turned into a simple redirect page to the Boger-Chandler case. Either way, searching just for Gilbert Bogle ought to provide a clearer link to the mystery. Grimhim 01:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I have removed " apart from that of a prisoner in Brixton, London, in the 1980s. " after "Against this, LSD is considered to be a drug on which it is next to impossible to overdose, with no other associated fatalities." because it is highly unlikely and noreference is given. Cacycle 18:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
How about getting some sources for the rest of the article? I'm not sure where to start. It seems well-written and interesting, but not backed up at all 71.63.119.49 22:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Like most others who had encountered the drug LSD in their youth I immediatly discounted the theory advanced that the cause of death was related to an "LSD overdose".
Several years ago I read an article written upon the death of the policeman who initially advanced this theory. I found his hypothethis had been misreported in the media.
During the intial investigation the police had considered the possibility that the victims had obtained a one ounce bottle containing many hundreds of thousands of doses of LSD. At this time it was possible, provided appropriate approval was given, to order from, and obtain, these bottles of pure bulk LSD direct from Sandoz pharmaceutical Swiss warehouse; cost about $100. I have since found the approval required was rather basic, a request for the drug written on any standard University letterhead paper would do.
LSD was being used in the social scene the victims belonged to, at this time the drug was not illegal, either in the USA or Australia. Many University types were trying it.
It is certainly possible these people had encountered bulk pure LSD; there are records of other LSD overdoses (resulting from these one ounce bottles), where individuals inadvertantly ingested the pure form of the drug. Vomiting, diarreah, and possibly death were recorded as symptoms of such overdose. âPreceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.37.182 ( talk) 21:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Project MK Ultra involved the bulk use of pure LSD 118.93.37.182 ( talk) 21:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The clause "... an explosion of gas from the polluted river bed may have occurred ... " might lead one to believe that there was, you know, an "explosion", like a detonation. Perhaps something like "... a burst of gas ..." might be a bit better? Old_Wombat ( talk) 04:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Even a little bit of hydrogen sulphide stinks. Like, roolly, roolly bad. How bad would it be in a toxic dose? Is this the sort of environment that you would want to have sex in? Old_Wombat ( talk) 04:43, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
OK, Wayne, thanx for that. But I am still struggling with the logistics. With H2S being a gas, it would be diffuse ("no brick wall"), so they can't go from 0 ppm to a high ppm without experiencing everything in between.
I am trying to put myself into their shoes. He takes the girl to the river. They go through the low concentration part, it smells bad. But that quickly disappears as they enter the medium concentration, upon which it becomes cloyingly sweet. Then no smell at all, due to olfactory paralysis. Finally, a suddent eruption at a fatal level, but by now they smell nothing, so they don't know that. And it kills them.
So in the excitement and anticipation of incipient sex, they hardly notice the bad smell, which after all, only lasted a short time. Is that how we think it happened? â Preceding unsigned comment added by Old wombat ( talk ⢠contribs) 12:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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"The Coroner stood down a key female witness before she could give evidence, to protect the families." This sentence is in the Background section. It is unclear to me on these points:
1: How does it fit in with the rest of the paragraph?
2: To which families does this refer to? The families of the victims?
3: How did this protect the families?
4: What does "stood down" mean? The phrase has multiple meanings, and I am not sure which one is applicable here. IDWChen ( talk) 03:16, 1 February 2019 (UTC)IDWChen
I'm alerted by this recent edit to the fact that there is no justification for categorising the Bogle-Chandler case as a murder, even though that questionable assumption stood in the mind of police for many years. The most plausible theory advanced to date is that the deaths were accidental and caused by an emergence of H2S. I propose that we now remove all the 'murder' and 'crimes' categories. Bjenks ( talk) 05:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC)