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In this article it says that the dog was killed "in order to prevent any harm to her by the invading Soviets." But on the The death of Adolf Hitler's Page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler) it says she was killed in order to test the cyanide caplets Hitler would later use on himself. do either of these suggestions have any evidence to support them?
Also, a few pages (including this one) list Ludwig Stumpfegger as the Doctor who killed her, and others list it as Werner Haase. Which is correct?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.251.52 ( talk) 21:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the puppies? some one must know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.191.136.2 ( talk) 17:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
"German Shepherd Dog" is correct. "German Shepherd" is not. The German is deutscheschaferhund.
I found it jarring to see 'German Shepherd' without explanation. Clearly it would not be what someone from Deutschland would call it. Should someone maybe put ('Deutscher Schäferhund') in there somewhere? DeepNorth ( talk) 15:16, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Fixed grammar "and" not "or" perhaps. ---- Steve Latinner 02:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
According to german writing rules and my search results Blondie should be the dogs real name. Dickbauch 16:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Ich habe es in schule gelernt...but only a little and as you can see, very badly. I can also say "Ich habe ein auto in der hand" :-) but that's about it. Elf | Talk 15:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
I believe the only reason why Blondi was killed, was because Hitler wanted to test the cyanide. I dunno the source though. Andries 20:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
about half way down is a picture of a letter from Bormann's office which uses the same spelling. PhilipPage 20:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
He was verey stupid to have a dog. I wondered who killed his dog. HITLER HIMSELF? I do not verey know much but ys I agree!!!!!!
Maybe this might be of interest; Hitler owned many dogs, during the second world war herr Hitler owned many dogs. They were kept for his protection. He only ever allowed himself be photographed with one at a time so as not to have this known. Try looking for pictures of him with his dog and you will find that very clearly there are many dogs. And he named them all blondie. henrybrenroy@gmail.com
An IP Address sent me some pictures from the "Hitler Home Movies" here here, and Here Should I replace the dog with these? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WngLdr34 ( talk • contribs).
Regarding the following paragraph added by User:86.137.250.32 on 2007-05-13:
Is this actually worth being mentioned? The book seems to exist ( [6]), but apparently was published by Lulu.com (quoting amazon.com: "Publisher: Lulu Enterprises, UK Ltd (April 17, 2007)"), a self-publishing service, so it seems to me that this might be a bit of advertising by the author. I assume it was added in good faith, but I think it's not relevant to the article at hand, so I'm going to delete the paragraph. -- Schneelocke 12:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Clearly Hitler´s dog is knowledge of vital importance and must not be missing in any encyclopedia which prides itself on that label —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.127.191.232 ( talk) 04:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
As I think many (hopefully all) of us will agree, WWII was a horrific moment in history. I show no love , acceptance, nor tolerance for such blatant atrocities against humanity. At the same time, I felt that this page was not presenting an objective viewpoint. Referring to Hitler's relationship with his dog as 'pathetic' does not allow a reader to make up their own mind pertaining to Hitler as a person. 'Love to animals and disdain for variuos kinds of human beings went hand in hand' is completely subjective as well as having typos. I understand people have strong feelings about this. I also understand, however, that Wiki is not the place for people to express their feelings on a page that is supposed to present an informational and unbiased article. For these reasons, I have altered a section of the article to present a more objective article. Flame me if you must, but please do not edit the page to include opinionated, unverifiable, or subjective (yes that was a redundant statement) information again. Thanks. Lcommadot ( talk) 02:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
-- Polentario ( talk) 14:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Wether he eat meat or not - why do you care so much? I understood he was a fanatic antismoker and vegetarian. A very famous example wehre this played a role has been the meeting with Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim#Visit by Adolf Hitler.
I think we could have even more fun with an article about Hitlers fight against tobacco and parallels to the US today. I go for a smoke. -- Polentario ( talk) 15:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Polentario, my suggestion is that you make your edits here on the talk page, together with an English-language source, and then someone can add it to the article, or they can ask questions here if it's not clear. That would avoid the reverting back and forth, or the need to fix something instantly because it's actually on the page. SlimVirgin talk| edits 15:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Any is not true. I have been doing changes - including sources - on animals in the third reich which had been reverted
My focal source so far have been variuos newspaper articles as http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/topicalbumbackground/260/tierliebe_menschenfeinde.html http://miami.uni-muenster.de/servlets/DerivateServlet/Derivate-608/juette.pdf Similar background, one was published in FAZ based on the Juette dossier, the other one in Spiegel refers e.g. as well to Borian Sax. If i would be interested in further reseacrh i would have a look on the original text of the law first and have a look on
Wether he eat meat or not - why do you care so much? I understood he was a fanatic antismoker and vegetarian. A very famous example wehre this played a role has been the meeting with Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim#Visit by Adolf Hitler. I think we could have even more fun with an article about Hitlers fight against tobacco and parallels to the US today. I go for a smoke. -- Polentario ( talk) 15:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
What happened here? References were lost and a somewhat odd sentence introduced. Furthermore, this page receives a lot of vandalism (I just fixed a bit that was missed), so I wonder if it could be semi-protected? Finally I'd like to say that I think this is a decent article on the topic. Any chance of submitting it for "Good Article" status at some point? 79.68.216.39 ( talk) 18:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
You will find absolutely NO credible proof anywhere that Hitler killed Blondi to test poison on her. By all accounts his affection for the dog was nearly boundless. His concern was that he did not want her falling to Russian hands (this was such a great concern that he was taking his own life to prevent it from happening - naturally he would not leave the dog he loved behind and alone to face the Russians). Alternatively if he let her out of the bunker he was concerned that she would be killed and eaten (people were desperately hungry in war torn Berlin at the time to the point that household pets and even horses were being killed for food. Please report accurately on this page and stop reporting unfounded information. It ruins the credibility of the site and it also distorts history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.118.8 ( talk) 05:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
( talk) 16:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
You are WRONG WRONG WRONG DrBat. Armin Lehmann is NOT a first-hand account. He was NOT present in the bunker when Blondi was put down, he was across the street. Moreover he only met Hitler once outside the bunker on April 20, 1945, and he saw Hitler once in the bunker thereafter. And on that occasion he did not speak to him. He is NOT a first hand account. What he reports in his book is not that "the goal" of posioning Blondi was to test the poison. He states that the poison was tested on Blondi. But this was NOT the goal. The goal was to to put Blondi down for the reasons I have discussed and which you are not able to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.118.8 ( talk) 03:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following comment from the article, placed there by 24.46.118.8:
comment moved here by Abd ( talk) 02:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure, IP editor. Makes sense. However, we do need a source to say that "the sky is blue," if anyone challenges it. By the way, "makes sense" doesn't mean "true." And, in any case, our standard here isn't "truth," it's verifiability. If everyone accepts a thing, that's enough verification. But a sensible explanation isn't necessarily a true one, sometimes the truth is strange. This is an encyclopedia, not a collection of essays where we write about what seems obvious to us.... I think that if you look at the text we have, you might find ways to improve it, consistent with sources, and you are welcome to try. But don't keep putting in what you should know isn't to be accepted by other editors, it might be considered vandalism, and you could be blocked. -- Abd ( talk) 02:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
IP editor commented here, but interspersed, making it difficult to read in sequence. IP editor, add comments at the end of a section, or indented under another editors full comment, do not intersperse as you did, it makes it difficult to read. In particular, I'd responded to you. You ignored the response with your interspersal. -- Abd ( talk) 12:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Since you are so hot on "cite your sources", what is Armin's source? He was not there when Blondi was put down. I know because I have done extensive research on the war for 3 years, and been in touch with him (as well as several others - right down to Mengle's grandson) for two years. What Armin wrote I personally am not disputing because it is correct in explaining half the story. But since you yourself keep deleting my posting about Hitler's reasoning (which is the other half of the story and which can be found in sources - though it is common sense to anyone with an IQ over 50 so I'm not sure what the point of the citation is), then by your own standards you have to delete the update from Armin's book as well as 50% of the rest of this page - cause it's all unverified. The truth is that anyone who could directly cite what happened there, is dead. Period. Everything beyond that is heresay, conjecture or common sense extrapolations. What Armin writes is technically heresay as he was not personally there for this event - ask him if you don't believe me. He has no citation other than "I wasn't there, but this is what I heard". (Mind you the citation for my update is "I wasn't there, but this is what I have heard, and additionally it is 100% consistent with history, 100% consistent with Hitler's documented persona, and it is consistent with common sense")
I suggest that you abide by your own standards and start deleting most of your page on Blondi. Either that or leave my updates alone. You have no business distorting history by not allowing the full story to be told, and by asking for citations when you don't like an update, but allowing no citations for updates that you do like. Please take a moment and read my update in full. I don't mind if you want to edit it or scale it down. But to ignore it is to create a massive inaccuracy. The back story is important and needs to be told:
Hitler knew these common sense things. He was not an idiot or a lunatic cut adrift from society. To buy into that nonsense is to severely and dangerously underestimate him. A madman cut adrift could scarcely have come from nowhere to take over nearly all of Europe while battling 4 world powers. He was very intelligent and aware. He knew exactly what was going on with the Russians approaching. He knew exactly what the food situation in Berlin. He made a rational decision (a) given those facts and (b) given that he loved the dog. He knew any other option would have been a crueler fate for the dog. Really stop and think about it - can you think of a better option were you in his shoes?
No, you can't. Neither can I. Neither could he.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9XfcJFeOM
Ok, I am in the discussion page here, where you told me to go. So why are my edits being removed from the article? Please tell me what is needed in order for a common sense posting to be added to an already conjectural article? In fact looking at it objectively, my posting is more consistant with the historical record and common sense, than your postings which remove my edit. You will find one source after another citing Hitler's sense of loyalty and integrity to his positions. He was not a guy that vascilated easily or changed his positions on things (which partially explains why he was an incompetent General in the end - but that is another topic). By all accounts he fawned over Blondi for years, loved her, traveled with her, etc. (please look at the youtube clip I reference above and read up on the topic further) It makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE as your article implies to readers, that he suddenly decided to betrey her without cause in the end - particularly when he EASILY could have had the SS bring him a Russian POW (whom he loathed) to test the poison on if that were his only objective.
With that in mind, and hopefully now with an open mind on your part, please explain your difficulty with my edit. Please deliver me a response that justifies your truncation of Blondi's story by entirely ignoring the common sense reasoning behind his decision. You could not be painting a more inaccurate, ignorant, and dull two dimentional picture of the Blondi story with your insistance on ignoring the compelling dynamics of the situation. nptmike70@aol.com. Comment by 66.108.116.90
Abt, and the other editors here. I am not interested in "getting respect". That goal is frivelous and of unending irrelevance to me. I need no one's respect here. What I do ask however, is that if you, Dr.Bat, and the other editors want to manage an objective and competent encyclopedia, that you bring logic into the discussions and keep egos out of it. Your very response to me above (ie "get a little more respect", "polite" etc) is evidence that this is argument we're having is more about "the poltics of wikipedia" than it is about the truth or rational argument. For the reasons I have already outlined to you and Dr.Bat (if you've bothered to read them), you can see that I am correct. And I say that not out of any personal need to "be right". Rather, I say that out of simple logic. That said, I delivered myself from this argument several months ago because it is irrational on the part of the eitors. You are posting misinformation and there is nothing you can say here to justify that. For a group of people who tend toward acadmics, you are an amazingly irrational lot. PS - Armin Lehman's quote is heresay and by your own rules, it does not belong here. It is not citable. Kindly abide by the same rules you impose on me (ie "I was not there, therefore my logic does not count) and remove that part of the article. In fact in accordance with your rules, remove most of the article as it is mostly heresay. If you need assistance, please let me know and I'll point out exactly where the heresay is. In accordance with the rules you impose on me, this article should be about 1 short paragraph of sheer citable fact. All else should be excluded.
Just a question about the photos of Blondi´s puppies (they are charming, as all young dogs are, by the way): at the picture in the middle (where all five puppies are shown) one can see a sixth dog crossing just in front of the leading puppy. Any idea, "who" that could have been? Is it one of Eva Brauns/Hitlers dogs?
Have a nice day, -- 80.135.82.138 ( talk) 14:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
yes, that is eva's dog. if you go here and advance to :40 you will see the dog on video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9GymQr5_ZI&NR=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.116.90 ( talk) 19:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
This is the litter registration for Blonda's litter with Muckl. You can find the original in the SV Zuchbuch bandXXVIII (Eintragungsjahr 1930) page 132. (Link below)
[[IMG] http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu309/littoralperson/zuchbuchentry.jpg[/IMG]]
Littoralperson ( talk) 16:59, 25 January 2009 (UTC) Littoralperson
Included in this article is a statement by E. Flegel, a nurse in the bunker, that people were more effected by Blondi's death than Eva Braun's death. This seems like her opinion - does that really belong in this article? She made a lot of other very negative statements about Eva Braun that to me really only show that she didn't like Eva Braun, rather than the fact that people were more upset about a dogs death than a Eva Braun's death. 165.189.169.156 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC).
The date of Blondi's death per poison was actually April 29, 1945, per: Sir Ian Kershaw, Hitler: A Biography, W.W. Norton & Co. p. 252; Henrik Eberle and Matthias Uhl, ed., The Hitler Book: The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin, New York: PublicAffairs, p. 266 and Anton Joachimsthaler, The Last Days of Hitler: The Legends, The Evidence, The Truth. Brockhampton Press, p. 134. They also all agree on the reason Hitler ordered it done by Dr. Hasse (I see there was some prior discussion about that in sections above). Further, a few sentences were misquoted, in part, from the book, The Hitler Book: The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin which I fixed and I added the page cite that had been missing. Lastly, I took out some redundancy and re-wrote some poorly written sentences. Kierzek ( talk) 01:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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There's apparently differing accounts of who killed Blondi and when. We are going to need to add sources with quotes. The two main theories appear to be that A) Dr. Ludwig Stumpfegger was ordered to give her poison, and B) Dr. Werner Haase and Fritz Tornow gave her poison together (it's on Tornow's wiki article) Jason Quinn ( talk) 18:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Since he had many dogs, and I posted two info boxes with photos about two of them but they were deleted as it is a Blondi page, would it be better to change the name of the page to Hitler's Dogs which could then cover all of them, rather than have to make many different pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troy von Tempest ( talk • contribs) 05:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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In this article it says that the dog was killed "in order to prevent any harm to her by the invading Soviets." But on the The death of Adolf Hitler's Page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler) it says she was killed in order to test the cyanide caplets Hitler would later use on himself. do either of these suggestions have any evidence to support them?
Also, a few pages (including this one) list Ludwig Stumpfegger as the Doctor who killed her, and others list it as Werner Haase. Which is correct?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.251.52 ( talk) 21:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
What happened to the puppies? some one must know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.191.136.2 ( talk) 17:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
"German Shepherd Dog" is correct. "German Shepherd" is not. The German is deutscheschaferhund.
I found it jarring to see 'German Shepherd' without explanation. Clearly it would not be what someone from Deutschland would call it. Should someone maybe put ('Deutscher Schäferhund') in there somewhere? DeepNorth ( talk) 15:16, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Fixed grammar "and" not "or" perhaps. ---- Steve Latinner 02:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
According to german writing rules and my search results Blondie should be the dogs real name. Dickbauch 16:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Ich habe es in schule gelernt...but only a little and as you can see, very badly. I can also say "Ich habe ein auto in der hand" :-) but that's about it. Elf | Talk 15:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
I believe the only reason why Blondi was killed, was because Hitler wanted to test the cyanide. I dunno the source though. Andries 20:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
about half way down is a picture of a letter from Bormann's office which uses the same spelling. PhilipPage 20:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
He was verey stupid to have a dog. I wondered who killed his dog. HITLER HIMSELF? I do not verey know much but ys I agree!!!!!!
Maybe this might be of interest; Hitler owned many dogs, during the second world war herr Hitler owned many dogs. They were kept for his protection. He only ever allowed himself be photographed with one at a time so as not to have this known. Try looking for pictures of him with his dog and you will find that very clearly there are many dogs. And he named them all blondie. henrybrenroy@gmail.com
An IP Address sent me some pictures from the "Hitler Home Movies" here here, and Here Should I replace the dog with these? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WngLdr34 ( talk • contribs).
Regarding the following paragraph added by User:86.137.250.32 on 2007-05-13:
Is this actually worth being mentioned? The book seems to exist ( [6]), but apparently was published by Lulu.com (quoting amazon.com: "Publisher: Lulu Enterprises, UK Ltd (April 17, 2007)"), a self-publishing service, so it seems to me that this might be a bit of advertising by the author. I assume it was added in good faith, but I think it's not relevant to the article at hand, so I'm going to delete the paragraph. -- Schneelocke 12:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Clearly Hitler´s dog is knowledge of vital importance and must not be missing in any encyclopedia which prides itself on that label —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.127.191.232 ( talk) 04:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
As I think many (hopefully all) of us will agree, WWII was a horrific moment in history. I show no love , acceptance, nor tolerance for such blatant atrocities against humanity. At the same time, I felt that this page was not presenting an objective viewpoint. Referring to Hitler's relationship with his dog as 'pathetic' does not allow a reader to make up their own mind pertaining to Hitler as a person. 'Love to animals and disdain for variuos kinds of human beings went hand in hand' is completely subjective as well as having typos. I understand people have strong feelings about this. I also understand, however, that Wiki is not the place for people to express their feelings on a page that is supposed to present an informational and unbiased article. For these reasons, I have altered a section of the article to present a more objective article. Flame me if you must, but please do not edit the page to include opinionated, unverifiable, or subjective (yes that was a redundant statement) information again. Thanks. Lcommadot ( talk) 02:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
-- Polentario ( talk) 14:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Wether he eat meat or not - why do you care so much? I understood he was a fanatic antismoker and vegetarian. A very famous example wehre this played a role has been the meeting with Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim#Visit by Adolf Hitler.
I think we could have even more fun with an article about Hitlers fight against tobacco and parallels to the US today. I go for a smoke. -- Polentario ( talk) 15:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Polentario, my suggestion is that you make your edits here on the talk page, together with an English-language source, and then someone can add it to the article, or they can ask questions here if it's not clear. That would avoid the reverting back and forth, or the need to fix something instantly because it's actually on the page. SlimVirgin talk| edits 15:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Any is not true. I have been doing changes - including sources - on animals in the third reich which had been reverted
My focal source so far have been variuos newspaper articles as http://einestages.spiegel.de/static/topicalbumbackground/260/tierliebe_menschenfeinde.html http://miami.uni-muenster.de/servlets/DerivateServlet/Derivate-608/juette.pdf Similar background, one was published in FAZ based on the Juette dossier, the other one in Spiegel refers e.g. as well to Borian Sax. If i would be interested in further reseacrh i would have a look on the original text of the law first and have a look on
Wether he eat meat or not - why do you care so much? I understood he was a fanatic antismoker and vegetarian. A very famous example wehre this played a role has been the meeting with Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim#Visit by Adolf Hitler. I think we could have even more fun with an article about Hitlers fight against tobacco and parallels to the US today. I go for a smoke. -- Polentario ( talk) 15:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
What happened here? References were lost and a somewhat odd sentence introduced. Furthermore, this page receives a lot of vandalism (I just fixed a bit that was missed), so I wonder if it could be semi-protected? Finally I'd like to say that I think this is a decent article on the topic. Any chance of submitting it for "Good Article" status at some point? 79.68.216.39 ( talk) 18:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
You will find absolutely NO credible proof anywhere that Hitler killed Blondi to test poison on her. By all accounts his affection for the dog was nearly boundless. His concern was that he did not want her falling to Russian hands (this was such a great concern that he was taking his own life to prevent it from happening - naturally he would not leave the dog he loved behind and alone to face the Russians). Alternatively if he let her out of the bunker he was concerned that she would be killed and eaten (people were desperately hungry in war torn Berlin at the time to the point that household pets and even horses were being killed for food. Please report accurately on this page and stop reporting unfounded information. It ruins the credibility of the site and it also distorts history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.118.8 ( talk) 05:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
( talk) 16:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
You are WRONG WRONG WRONG DrBat. Armin Lehmann is NOT a first-hand account. He was NOT present in the bunker when Blondi was put down, he was across the street. Moreover he only met Hitler once outside the bunker on April 20, 1945, and he saw Hitler once in the bunker thereafter. And on that occasion he did not speak to him. He is NOT a first hand account. What he reports in his book is not that "the goal" of posioning Blondi was to test the poison. He states that the poison was tested on Blondi. But this was NOT the goal. The goal was to to put Blondi down for the reasons I have discussed and which you are not able to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.46.118.8 ( talk) 03:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following comment from the article, placed there by 24.46.118.8:
comment moved here by Abd ( talk) 02:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure, IP editor. Makes sense. However, we do need a source to say that "the sky is blue," if anyone challenges it. By the way, "makes sense" doesn't mean "true." And, in any case, our standard here isn't "truth," it's verifiability. If everyone accepts a thing, that's enough verification. But a sensible explanation isn't necessarily a true one, sometimes the truth is strange. This is an encyclopedia, not a collection of essays where we write about what seems obvious to us.... I think that if you look at the text we have, you might find ways to improve it, consistent with sources, and you are welcome to try. But don't keep putting in what you should know isn't to be accepted by other editors, it might be considered vandalism, and you could be blocked. -- Abd ( talk) 02:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
IP editor commented here, but interspersed, making it difficult to read in sequence. IP editor, add comments at the end of a section, or indented under another editors full comment, do not intersperse as you did, it makes it difficult to read. In particular, I'd responded to you. You ignored the response with your interspersal. -- Abd ( talk) 12:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Since you are so hot on "cite your sources", what is Armin's source? He was not there when Blondi was put down. I know because I have done extensive research on the war for 3 years, and been in touch with him (as well as several others - right down to Mengle's grandson) for two years. What Armin wrote I personally am not disputing because it is correct in explaining half the story. But since you yourself keep deleting my posting about Hitler's reasoning (which is the other half of the story and which can be found in sources - though it is common sense to anyone with an IQ over 50 so I'm not sure what the point of the citation is), then by your own standards you have to delete the update from Armin's book as well as 50% of the rest of this page - cause it's all unverified. The truth is that anyone who could directly cite what happened there, is dead. Period. Everything beyond that is heresay, conjecture or common sense extrapolations. What Armin writes is technically heresay as he was not personally there for this event - ask him if you don't believe me. He has no citation other than "I wasn't there, but this is what I heard". (Mind you the citation for my update is "I wasn't there, but this is what I have heard, and additionally it is 100% consistent with history, 100% consistent with Hitler's documented persona, and it is consistent with common sense")
I suggest that you abide by your own standards and start deleting most of your page on Blondi. Either that or leave my updates alone. You have no business distorting history by not allowing the full story to be told, and by asking for citations when you don't like an update, but allowing no citations for updates that you do like. Please take a moment and read my update in full. I don't mind if you want to edit it or scale it down. But to ignore it is to create a massive inaccuracy. The back story is important and needs to be told:
Hitler knew these common sense things. He was not an idiot or a lunatic cut adrift from society. To buy into that nonsense is to severely and dangerously underestimate him. A madman cut adrift could scarcely have come from nowhere to take over nearly all of Europe while battling 4 world powers. He was very intelligent and aware. He knew exactly what was going on with the Russians approaching. He knew exactly what the food situation in Berlin. He made a rational decision (a) given those facts and (b) given that he loved the dog. He knew any other option would have been a crueler fate for the dog. Really stop and think about it - can you think of a better option were you in his shoes?
No, you can't. Neither can I. Neither could he.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9XfcJFeOM
Ok, I am in the discussion page here, where you told me to go. So why are my edits being removed from the article? Please tell me what is needed in order for a common sense posting to be added to an already conjectural article? In fact looking at it objectively, my posting is more consistant with the historical record and common sense, than your postings which remove my edit. You will find one source after another citing Hitler's sense of loyalty and integrity to his positions. He was not a guy that vascilated easily or changed his positions on things (which partially explains why he was an incompetent General in the end - but that is another topic). By all accounts he fawned over Blondi for years, loved her, traveled with her, etc. (please look at the youtube clip I reference above and read up on the topic further) It makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE as your article implies to readers, that he suddenly decided to betrey her without cause in the end - particularly when he EASILY could have had the SS bring him a Russian POW (whom he loathed) to test the poison on if that were his only objective.
With that in mind, and hopefully now with an open mind on your part, please explain your difficulty with my edit. Please deliver me a response that justifies your truncation of Blondi's story by entirely ignoring the common sense reasoning behind his decision. You could not be painting a more inaccurate, ignorant, and dull two dimentional picture of the Blondi story with your insistance on ignoring the compelling dynamics of the situation. nptmike70@aol.com. Comment by 66.108.116.90
Abt, and the other editors here. I am not interested in "getting respect". That goal is frivelous and of unending irrelevance to me. I need no one's respect here. What I do ask however, is that if you, Dr.Bat, and the other editors want to manage an objective and competent encyclopedia, that you bring logic into the discussions and keep egos out of it. Your very response to me above (ie "get a little more respect", "polite" etc) is evidence that this is argument we're having is more about "the poltics of wikipedia" than it is about the truth or rational argument. For the reasons I have already outlined to you and Dr.Bat (if you've bothered to read them), you can see that I am correct. And I say that not out of any personal need to "be right". Rather, I say that out of simple logic. That said, I delivered myself from this argument several months ago because it is irrational on the part of the eitors. You are posting misinformation and there is nothing you can say here to justify that. For a group of people who tend toward acadmics, you are an amazingly irrational lot. PS - Armin Lehman's quote is heresay and by your own rules, it does not belong here. It is not citable. Kindly abide by the same rules you impose on me (ie "I was not there, therefore my logic does not count) and remove that part of the article. In fact in accordance with your rules, remove most of the article as it is mostly heresay. If you need assistance, please let me know and I'll point out exactly where the heresay is. In accordance with the rules you impose on me, this article should be about 1 short paragraph of sheer citable fact. All else should be excluded.
Just a question about the photos of Blondi´s puppies (they are charming, as all young dogs are, by the way): at the picture in the middle (where all five puppies are shown) one can see a sixth dog crossing just in front of the leading puppy. Any idea, "who" that could have been? Is it one of Eva Brauns/Hitlers dogs?
Have a nice day, -- 80.135.82.138 ( talk) 14:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
yes, that is eva's dog. if you go here and advance to :40 you will see the dog on video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9GymQr5_ZI&NR=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.116.90 ( talk) 19:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
This is the litter registration for Blonda's litter with Muckl. You can find the original in the SV Zuchbuch bandXXVIII (Eintragungsjahr 1930) page 132. (Link below)
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Littoralperson ( talk) 16:59, 25 January 2009 (UTC) Littoralperson
Included in this article is a statement by E. Flegel, a nurse in the bunker, that people were more effected by Blondi's death than Eva Braun's death. This seems like her opinion - does that really belong in this article? She made a lot of other very negative statements about Eva Braun that to me really only show that she didn't like Eva Braun, rather than the fact that people were more upset about a dogs death than a Eva Braun's death. 165.189.169.156 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC).
The date of Blondi's death per poison was actually April 29, 1945, per: Sir Ian Kershaw, Hitler: A Biography, W.W. Norton & Co. p. 252; Henrik Eberle and Matthias Uhl, ed., The Hitler Book: The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin, New York: PublicAffairs, p. 266 and Anton Joachimsthaler, The Last Days of Hitler: The Legends, The Evidence, The Truth. Brockhampton Press, p. 134. They also all agree on the reason Hitler ordered it done by Dr. Hasse (I see there was some prior discussion about that in sections above). Further, a few sentences were misquoted, in part, from the book, The Hitler Book: The Secret Dossier Prepared for Stalin which I fixed and I added the page cite that had been missing. Lastly, I took out some redundancy and re-wrote some poorly written sentences. Kierzek ( talk) 01:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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There's apparently differing accounts of who killed Blondi and when. We are going to need to add sources with quotes. The two main theories appear to be that A) Dr. Ludwig Stumpfegger was ordered to give her poison, and B) Dr. Werner Haase and Fritz Tornow gave her poison together (it's on Tornow's wiki article) Jason Quinn ( talk) 18:15, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Since he had many dogs, and I posted two info boxes with photos about two of them but they were deleted as it is a Blondi page, would it be better to change the name of the page to Hitler's Dogs which could then cover all of them, rather than have to make many different pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troy von Tempest ( talk • contribs) 05:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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