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This was floating in the References section:
- “Blepharoplasty: Eyelids”. American Society of Plastic Surgeons. 2006. 25 September 2006. [1] -- Joie de Vivre 19:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
The deleted references were replaced as they serve a useful role in understanding blepharoplasty surgery. Adding references to additional sites with photos would probably be very useful. Gadgetmaniac 00:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that a few different specialties do this procedure. Namely: Plastics, ENT, Maxillofacial surgeons, and occuloplastic/opthalmologists. Jwri7474 08:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe a less bloody or gory picture for more squeamish people? Kind of a shocker when I got to this page clicking "random article." I think a before/after picture would be more useful anyway. Soave ( talk) 04:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- This falls under Wikipedia's policy on censorship. Nothing may be censored is the tl;dr.
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- This argument is invalid. Should an article about pornography be full of that content? -- 2.245.192.157 ( talk) 20:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
The before/after comparison is biased by the use of makeup on the after photo. I don't think this picture illustrate correctly the differences the operation make in the eyelid anatomy. If there is no better example, it's better not to have a picture than having one that gives a wrong information.
- Just out of curiosity, why is the censorship argument always brought up with reference to the placement of an image, rather than its outright inclusion on non-inclusion in the article? If it were a question of inclusion outright, then yes, that is censorship. But an argument about the placement of an image (or the use of a sylized graphic for the info-box image, and the "more disturbing" image below) is something that would be akin to a "guideline". Wikipedia has guidelines for other things, why would this any different? Jimw338 ( talk) 16:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Here, only in the Philippines: * gmanews.tv/video, Blepharoplasty, 05/31/2008 -- Florentino floro ( talk) 07:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
External Links added to Non Surgical Blepharoplasty - before and after pictures are necessary to see what this procedure does. The links on the page represent the only B+A galleries I could find. I think they're important to keep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.182.197 ( talk) 19:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I am unclear why links to quality before and after photos of patients are intermittently removed as spam. Photos serve an important role in understanding this procedure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gadgetmaniac ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Drawnedlac ( talk) 18:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC) removed a large amount of non-relevant information from this article pertaining to procedures many surgeons do as an alternative to blepharoplasty. The information had no relevance to the article blepharoplasty. Created a "non-surgical alternatives" paragraph with the gist of this removed text.
Consider removing unreferenced mention of Wobenzym and Auriderm which are commercial products with no scientifically proven efficacy.-- POKOne ( talk) 21:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
EDog95 seems to have a vendetta against placing links on wikipedia. I think people searching for information about blepharoplasty should have the option of finding before and after photos of patients who have had this surgery. If he can find better sites to link to he should go ahead. He should not be threatening people who have significantly improved the page with "vandalism".
I would appreciate if other people would chime in on this controversy. How can you understand plastic surgery without before and after photos? There are times when links are very useful on wikipedia pages.
Gadgetmaniac ( talk) 02:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
- I moved this to a new section. It does not warrant to be at the top of the Discussion page of this article. I also agree with your point. External links are useful to wikipedia pages and can be used as alternate sources. The pictures are also an aid to understand this process. Timestep ( talk) 11:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I removed the section about costs as it contained dated information and was sourced to mostly non-notable, commercial websites not meeting WP:RS. Authoritative, encyclopedic information about cost and insurance coverage needs to be sourced per WP:RS or discussed here first. Flowanda | Talk 05:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Good lord, who wrote the "Recovery" section? It's the most bias thing I've ever read.
"it is common for those undergoing blepharoplasties to have significant complications" "victims of this procedure" "Surgeons seldom fully inform their patients" "Patients are rarely informed of the psychological trauma that results" "may leave patients with permanent disfigurement, resulting in significant depression and even suicidal ideation"
Someone has a serious vendetta or perhaps a non-surgical product to sell?
This chapter must be replaced. Such articles undermine the prestige of Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.182.252.40 ( talk) 10:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Not sure how relevant it is, but I was advised by surgeons not to have Blepharoplasty performed while I still smoked cigarettes, as the vasoconstriction caused by the nicotine slows and impairs healing.
Might be a worthwhile inclusion for those researching the topic, just not sure if/where it should go.
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This was floating in the References section:
- “Blepharoplasty: Eyelids”. American Society of Plastic Surgeons. 2006. 25 September 2006. [1] -- Joie de Vivre 19:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
The deleted references were replaced as they serve a useful role in understanding blepharoplasty surgery. Adding references to additional sites with photos would probably be very useful. Gadgetmaniac 00:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that a few different specialties do this procedure. Namely: Plastics, ENT, Maxillofacial surgeons, and occuloplastic/opthalmologists. Jwri7474 08:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe a less bloody or gory picture for more squeamish people? Kind of a shocker when I got to this page clicking "random article." I think a before/after picture would be more useful anyway. Soave ( talk) 04:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- This falls under Wikipedia's policy on censorship. Nothing may be censored is the tl;dr.
Timestep (
talk) 11:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
- This argument is invalid. Should an article about pornography be full of that content? -- 2.245.192.157 ( talk) 20:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
The before/after comparison is biased by the use of makeup on the after photo. I don't think this picture illustrate correctly the differences the operation make in the eyelid anatomy. If there is no better example, it's better not to have a picture than having one that gives a wrong information.
- Just out of curiosity, why is the censorship argument always brought up with reference to the placement of an image, rather than its outright inclusion on non-inclusion in the article? If it were a question of inclusion outright, then yes, that is censorship. But an argument about the placement of an image (or the use of a sylized graphic for the info-box image, and the "more disturbing" image below) is something that would be akin to a "guideline". Wikipedia has guidelines for other things, why would this any different? Jimw338 ( talk) 16:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Here, only in the Philippines: * gmanews.tv/video, Blepharoplasty, 05/31/2008 -- Florentino floro ( talk) 07:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
External Links added to Non Surgical Blepharoplasty - before and after pictures are necessary to see what this procedure does. The links on the page represent the only B+A galleries I could find. I think they're important to keep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.182.197 ( talk) 19:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I am unclear why links to quality before and after photos of patients are intermittently removed as spam. Photos serve an important role in understanding this procedure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gadgetmaniac ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Drawnedlac ( talk) 18:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC) removed a large amount of non-relevant information from this article pertaining to procedures many surgeons do as an alternative to blepharoplasty. The information had no relevance to the article blepharoplasty. Created a "non-surgical alternatives" paragraph with the gist of this removed text.
Consider removing unreferenced mention of Wobenzym and Auriderm which are commercial products with no scientifically proven efficacy.-- POKOne ( talk) 21:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
EDog95 seems to have a vendetta against placing links on wikipedia. I think people searching for information about blepharoplasty should have the option of finding before and after photos of patients who have had this surgery. If he can find better sites to link to he should go ahead. He should not be threatening people who have significantly improved the page with "vandalism".
I would appreciate if other people would chime in on this controversy. How can you understand plastic surgery without before and after photos? There are times when links are very useful on wikipedia pages.
Gadgetmaniac ( talk) 02:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
- I moved this to a new section. It does not warrant to be at the top of the Discussion page of this article. I also agree with your point. External links are useful to wikipedia pages and can be used as alternate sources. The pictures are also an aid to understand this process. Timestep ( talk) 11:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I removed the section about costs as it contained dated information and was sourced to mostly non-notable, commercial websites not meeting WP:RS. Authoritative, encyclopedic information about cost and insurance coverage needs to be sourced per WP:RS or discussed here first. Flowanda | Talk 05:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Good lord, who wrote the "Recovery" section? It's the most bias thing I've ever read.
"it is common for those undergoing blepharoplasties to have significant complications" "victims of this procedure" "Surgeons seldom fully inform their patients" "Patients are rarely informed of the psychological trauma that results" "may leave patients with permanent disfigurement, resulting in significant depression and even suicidal ideation"
Someone has a serious vendetta or perhaps a non-surgical product to sell?
This chapter must be replaced. Such articles undermine the prestige of Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.182.252.40 ( talk) 10:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Not sure how relevant it is, but I was advised by surgeons not to have Blepharoplasty performed while I still smoked cigarettes, as the vasoconstriction caused by the nicotine slows and impairs healing.
Might be a worthwhile inclusion for those researching the topic, just not sure if/where it should go.
~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.205.51 ( talk) 23:48, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to 2 external links on
Blepharoplasty. Please take a moment to review
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- Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20071006100432/http://www.bmc.edu/oto/grand/04_22_04.htm to http://www.bmc.edu/oto/grand/04_22_04.htm
- Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20120501134354/http://facs.org/fellows_info/bulletin/2012/grill0512.pdf to http://www.facs.org/fellows_info/bulletin/2012/grill0512.pdf
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