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The decision by SPLC to stop tracking Black supremacy, and to instead classify it as "Black activism" against White supremacy should either be removed as irrelevant, or reworded so its not presented as a neutral stance. Using them as a source in the rest of the article conflicts directly with this paragraph. Also there's this line " A source described by historian David Mark Chalmers as being "the most extensive source on right-wing extremism" is the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), " Why does the SPLC's bone fides need this? It ignores that black supremacy crosses right/left lines for one thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.28.113 ( talk) 21:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
those supremacist groupsfor their 'supremacist' views. They now only categorise them/ denounce them if they are, for example anti-semetic, anti LGB, etc. Pincrete ( talk) 08:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
User:Vache-crapaud, firstly you should read WP:BRD, and WP:RS - the onus is on you to persuade others that the material you wish to insert is relevant, reliably sourced and useful info. The onus is not on me or others to prove it is not.
AFAI can see this addition isn't about the article subject (Black supremacy), rather it is some vague criticism of SPLC. It isn't reliably sourced (an unpublished graduate thesis is neither a reliable source, not is it verifiable).
I'm going to o revert to the stable version of the article and invite you to make your case here if you want this material included. Please don't WP:EDITWAR further. Pincrete ( talk) 14:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
SPLC's 2020 decision to stop surveiling Black separatist groups which they used to qualify as Black supremacists. They didn't EVER categorise groups as 'Black supremacist' - they occasionally described some separatist groups as being Black supremacist - within their text, see the religious groups below the SPLC section.
The SPLC no longer supports the framing of Black-led antisemitic hate groups as “supremacist,” because such characterizations perpetuate a false equivalency between what these groups represent and white supremacy. Any mention of racism in the context of the Black-led hate ideology described in this article does not appropriately reckon with the systemic force that is structural racism.
Lets be clear here: Its a racial supremacist AND racist belief. So lets add those two words. Lets not bend over backwards to not write "racist", thats silly. It is a racist belief. Just like White Supremacy is racist. There is *no* consensus in sociology that racism must be based on the "predominantly powerful race in the respective location" and even if there was, this is a global website. It cant be based with any particular place in mind such as the US. Thus, it must be classified as racist no different to any other race superiority worldview.
Cheers, DJ 77.20.155.35 ( talk) 19:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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The decision by SPLC to stop tracking Black supremacy, and to instead classify it as "Black activism" against White supremacy should either be removed as irrelevant, or reworded so its not presented as a neutral stance. Using them as a source in the rest of the article conflicts directly with this paragraph. Also there's this line " A source described by historian David Mark Chalmers as being "the most extensive source on right-wing extremism" is the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), " Why does the SPLC's bone fides need this? It ignores that black supremacy crosses right/left lines for one thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.28.113 ( talk) 21:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
those supremacist groupsfor their 'supremacist' views. They now only categorise them/ denounce them if they are, for example anti-semetic, anti LGB, etc. Pincrete ( talk) 08:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
User:Vache-crapaud, firstly you should read WP:BRD, and WP:RS - the onus is on you to persuade others that the material you wish to insert is relevant, reliably sourced and useful info. The onus is not on me or others to prove it is not.
AFAI can see this addition isn't about the article subject (Black supremacy), rather it is some vague criticism of SPLC. It isn't reliably sourced (an unpublished graduate thesis is neither a reliable source, not is it verifiable).
I'm going to o revert to the stable version of the article and invite you to make your case here if you want this material included. Please don't WP:EDITWAR further. Pincrete ( talk) 14:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
SPLC's 2020 decision to stop surveiling Black separatist groups which they used to qualify as Black supremacists. They didn't EVER categorise groups as 'Black supremacist' - they occasionally described some separatist groups as being Black supremacist - within their text, see the religious groups below the SPLC section.
The SPLC no longer supports the framing of Black-led antisemitic hate groups as “supremacist,” because such characterizations perpetuate a false equivalency between what these groups represent and white supremacy. Any mention of racism in the context of the Black-led hate ideology described in this article does not appropriately reckon with the systemic force that is structural racism.
Lets be clear here: Its a racial supremacist AND racist belief. So lets add those two words. Lets not bend over backwards to not write "racist", thats silly. It is a racist belief. Just like White Supremacy is racist. There is *no* consensus in sociology that racism must be based on the "predominantly powerful race in the respective location" and even if there was, this is a global website. It cant be based with any particular place in mind such as the US. Thus, it must be classified as racist no different to any other race superiority worldview.
Cheers, DJ 77.20.155.35 ( talk) 19:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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12.110.37.79 ( talk) 09:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)